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Title: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 07, 2011, 04:24:48 PM
So yeah! Choose according to your opinion, or opinion of your best friend.
For me-
Gaiares (Easily the best 16 bit shooter ever made, nothing can touch the brilliant level design of this. The difficulty is just perfect.)
Musha (Best Complie shooter)
Bio-Hazard Battle (really well made. Perfect combination of memorization and reflexes)
Truxton (Much more balanced)
Wings of Wor-GoDamn this is underrated!
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: roflmao on September 07, 2011, 04:28:29 PM
I picked Bio-Hazard Battle, Steel Empire, and Wings of Wor since they are the only ones I have and have put some real time into. Of those three, I think Wings of Wor is my current Fav, but all 3 of them are a ton of fun.
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Post by: Tatsujin on September 07, 2011, 04:33:40 PM
why are there missing so may shooters?
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Post by: TR0N on September 07, 2011, 07:07:02 PM
Hmm robo aleste and kieo of flying squadron are missing from the poll :shock:
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Post by: ddd1234 on September 07, 2011, 07:42:00 PM
.......double posting
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 07, 2011, 07:43:19 PM
which ones were you thinking? I included the best ones.
you included Raiden Trad, cummon?
So I also quite dig:
VV Aero Blasters Thunderforce 2 Zero Wing Battle Mania Battle Mania 2 Vapor Trail Atomic Robo-Kid (hybrid) etc.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 08, 2011, 12:07:34 AM
No mention of Sol Feace/Deace. Not that it's a great game, but it's decent.
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Post by: termis on September 08, 2011, 12:36:36 AM
Gaiares and Thunder Force IV are probably amongst the top in my favorite-shooters-ever list (along with LoT and Spriggan), and Musha isn't far behind.
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Post by: Necromancer on September 08, 2011, 02:40:34 AM
Where's Keranu to sing the praises of Insector X?
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Post by: SuperDeadite on September 08, 2011, 03:40:25 AM
No Battle Mania Daiginjou? No Twinkle Tale? f*ck this poll.
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Post by: geise on September 08, 2011, 04:16:32 AM
No freaking Verytex? [-X That should definitely be on the list!
I would've also added Arrowflash, Elemental Master, Whip Rush, Kyūkyoku Tiger/Twin Cobra, Slap Fight, Undeadline, US AAF Mustang, Viewpoint, and what others mentioned! You'd be surprised what others feel are their favorite shooters.
My personal vote is MUSHA Aleste. It might not be the best but it's my personal favorite.
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Post by: Opethian on September 08, 2011, 04:39:54 AM
Slap Fight MD mode thanks
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Post by: geise on September 08, 2011, 05:09:33 AM
Very nice choice Ope! Yuzo Koshiro did good on the music in that one. Great game!
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 08, 2011, 06:30:44 AM
which ones were you thinking? I included the best ones.
you included Raiden Trad, cummon?
So I also quite dig:
VV Aero Blasters Thunderforce 2 Zero Wing Battle Mania Battle Mania 2 Vapor Trail Atomic Robo-Kid (hybrid) etc.
OK I added all those games. But what is wrong with Raiden for Sega??? It is a pretty solid port of the game. Sure little details are removed and somethings simplified, But I like this port.
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Post by: majors on September 08, 2011, 09:11:42 AM
I have a history with Thunder Force 3, so I adore it. Even over Lightening Force, much to my fellow local gamers puzzlement. I also have not played enough of the R@REs (Gleylancer, Eliminate Down, etc) but I'm sure they're just peachy. Musha get's my #2 vote, Compile had me at Spriggian. I never got into Gaiares...bought it when it came out, beat it and traded it out. It's good, but I'd rather hold on to TF3/Musha.
dddd1234 -> Wonder what you think about Twin Cobra since you hate Dragon Saber so much. Check point shooters...blah...
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Post by: farankoshan on September 08, 2011, 09:19:12 AM
Wasn't Tatsujin released on the Genesis/MD as well?
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Post by: Necromancer on September 08, 2011, 09:25:10 AM
But what is wrong with Raiden for Sega??? It is a pretty solid port of the game. Sure little details are removed and somethings simplified, But I like this port.
It's such a poor port. they used like 4 colors for the entire game :lol: , that is even too less for a genny game. therefore we also call it Raiden Fraud.
The PCE one looks so much better.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 09, 2011, 03:42:31 AM
Come one...stop being so picky. The excellent playability is still there. I will be picking up copy of Genesis Raiden in the future for sure. I love the Genesis.
But why do some bosses take forever to kill???
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 09, 2011, 03:47:05 AM
T. Force IV is the best, but my favorite is Phelios. (NOT LISTED!?!?!) lol,
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Post by: geise on September 09, 2011, 04:02:16 AM
Yeah I forgot to mention that one TurboStar. Half the games on that list were recently put up there from my suggestions, and others. I see quite a few I suggested got a few votes from others. So that is good. Phelios is actually pretty good even on MD/Genesis. But since DDD hates Dragon Saber I doubt he'll put Phelios on there.
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Post by: Arkhan on September 09, 2011, 04:14:21 AM
Gaiares, Wings of Wor and Phelioisoioisois man.
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on September 09, 2011, 07:24:42 AM
No Gadget Twins?
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 09, 2011, 07:27:35 AM
Grind stormer and curse? you kidding me. Curse is self explanatory (iz average), But G.S. is littered with flicker and slowdown. Has bad graphics when compared to the arcade version (why did they even try?). The whole thing is pretty ordinary. I guess you don't have much experience with shmups. Shoot me a PM so i can recommend shmups that will boost your standard. : )
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: Opethian on September 09, 2011, 02:11:21 PM
"Curse is self explanatory (iz average), " but Raiden Trad is legendary? what are you smoking? your recommendation would only make my penis softer. nein danke!
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 09, 2011, 02:24:38 PM
Well Raiden is a classic you know. It came during the golden age of shooters (90s), and it's super addicting. G.S. came years after, and it's pretty average. no excuse.
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Post by: Opethian on September 09, 2011, 02:39:47 PM
yea the arcade version was classic. the MD and Jag are probably the worst ports. You would be amazed how much better it is on PS1...
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Post by: Tatsujin on September 09, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
Well Raiden is a classic you know. It came during the golden age of shooters (90s), and it's super addicting. G.S. came years after, and it's pretty average. no excuse.
We're not taking about Raiden, wer're talking about Genny Raiden :idea:
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 09, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
What is wrong with the genesis Raiden exactly? If it's the graphics, than play it on the system with dithering in affect (illusion of more colors).
I can't even call you guys gamers now, because you are basing a opinion on graphics alone. I keep telling you that the game play is intact and fun as ever.
As for being the worst port, Where do you place the Snes version with its flawed design. Not to mention the Lynx version.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: Tatsujin on September 09, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
SNES is worse as well, no doubts. the lynx one can't really be counted in.
but why playing the genny one, when there are much better ports around? even at its release time. you were talking about the best of the best games in your poll, well raiden fraud certainly isn't one of them. but on the other hand you forgot about so many other goodies. rofllol.
So who's gonna call who no gamer now?
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 09, 2011, 03:29:48 PM
SNES is worse as well, no doubts. the lynx one can't really be counted in.
but why playing the genny one, when there are much better ports around? even at its release time. you were talking about the best of the best games in your poll, well raiden fraud certainly isn't one of them. but on the other hand you forgot about so many other goodies. rofllol.
So who's gonna call who no gamer now?
If you take the game based on its merits (forget better ports and all that crap), Raiden is one of the best shotoers on the Genesis. Nothing can take away from that. What makes arrow flash, Whip rush, Curse, elemental master more deserving is beyond me.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 09, 2011, 03:33:54 PM
and why play inferior port? Bcuz I bloody love Raiden and I wanna beat all the ports. :evil:
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: Opethian on September 09, 2011, 03:38:22 PM
then buy my FM Towns port :D
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: Tatsujin on September 10, 2011, 04:15:57 AM
I can't even call you guys gamers now, because you are basing a opinion on graphics alone. I keep telling you that the game play is intact and fun as ever.
There are other ports which play just as well, if not better, and look better too.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: Vecanti on September 10, 2011, 07:38:43 AM
Did teh Genesis version of Raiden have Blast Processing enabled does anyone know?
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: Tatsujin on September 10, 2011, 07:48:19 AM
I can't even call you guys gamers now, because you are basing a opinion on graphics alone. I keep telling you that the game play is intact and fun as ever.
There are other ports which play just as well, if not better, and look better too.
we had that talk already rove, and it doesn't matter to him. he just keeps saying the old shit over and over again.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 10, 2011, 09:20:41 AM
Bro you fail to see my point.
We are talking about SG shooters here, not superior ports.
If you consider this game in comparison to other shooters on the Genesis, It IS one of the best shooters on the system in terms of game play.
Take it for its merits. I will get another "superior ports/bad graphics" post I know. Now who is repeating shit over?
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 10, 2011, 09:21:03 AM
Its not that hard to understand what I am getting at.
Here I will present my thesis in clear words:-
In comparison to other Sega Genesis shooters, Raiden is one of the best shooters available for the system based on the game play alone, because we know game play is most important to real gamers.
If it still does not make any sense, I don't know what to do with u guys.
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Post by: nodtveidt on September 10, 2011, 09:25:22 AM
It's not hard to make a "best" shooter on that system when most of them blow anyway.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 10, 2011, 09:28:59 AM
Gaiares, Musha, Thunder Force 3, Lightening Force, Glaylancer suck???
Drop the ego PC-engine fan.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ceti alpha on September 10, 2011, 09:59:41 AM
Gaiares was my pick. That is one awesome shootie.
As for Raiden, the worst port is the Jaguar. Total Raiden Fraud. The SNES port would be after that, followed by the Genny. The TG port is, by far, the best.
Edit: The PS1 port would actually be the best. :-"
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: Opethian on September 10, 2011, 10:01:44 AM
who has the ego now? all 5 games you mention are better than Raiden Fraud on MegaDrive
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 10, 2011, 10:39:24 AM
fraud??? huh???
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Post by: Joe Redifer on September 10, 2011, 12:08:28 PM
Raiden is a shitty game to begin with. All ports of Raiden are shitty , basically because it is Raiden. The TG-16 version is a complete joke compared to the Playstation version, though. It's completely stretched, too. Looks very wrong. It's like watching a 4:3 TV show stretched to fit a 16:9 screen. Screw that.
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on September 10, 2011, 12:23:00 PM
No divine sealing?
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Post by: nodtveidt on September 10, 2011, 01:46:23 PM
Gaiares, Musha, Thunder Force 3, Lightening Force, Glaylancer suck???
Drop the ego PC-engine fan.
Drop the ego PC-engine fan? what are you here for? because if its anything else i think your in the wrong forum...... but if you want to be annoying and rude to everyone there is a place devoted to that. go here : http://neo-geo.com/forums/
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: ddd1234 on September 10, 2011, 02:19:21 PM
I don't wanna talk about fighting games. ](*,) That is so 90s.
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Post by: Trevpwnsnoobs on September 10, 2011, 02:21:06 PM
then why dont you take your sega talk to sega-16? you seem to like them alot.
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Post by: Trevpwnsnoobs on September 10, 2011, 02:26:38 PM
all your doing here is aggravating the nice people at Pcenginefx.com....
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Post by: Joe Redifer on September 10, 2011, 03:04:04 PM
I agree that most MD shooters are average or less quality. Hell, most MD games are average or less quality. But that can be said for EVERY system ever, including the PCE. Most PCE shooters are average or less quality as well. And by "average" I mean "nothing special".
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Post by: Senshi on September 11, 2011, 03:38:56 AM
You can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
See ya? Is he coming over to your place Necro?
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Post by: nodtveidt on September 13, 2011, 04:49:07 AM
MUSHA is actually one of the only Genny shooters I can tolerate. That and Sylpheed.
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Post by: SuperDeadite on September 13, 2011, 04:53:36 AM
It's a good game for sure, but ironically enough it takes out the ever changing A.I. of Compile's other games, meaning you can memorize your way through it. Which is basically how Dragon Saber works....
At first I thought ddd was a troll. But the truth is quite clear now, he's just le dumb.
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Post by: Necromancer on September 13, 2011, 04:56:38 AM
You can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
Strange, nowhere near 90% of Sega fans (http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?88-Favorite-genesis-shooter&highlight=shooter) seem to think it's even the best Genny shooter, much less the best shooter on any platform.
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Post by: nodtveidt on September 13, 2011, 05:06:50 AM
Tons of love for MUSHA there, but yeah, probably not 90% hehe.
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Post by: Tatsujin on September 13, 2011, 05:07:58 AM
You can ask 90% of the shmup fans and youll get the same response. see ya.
OMHFS!! This isn't even entertaining anymore.
HAHAHAHAHA! What the hell is OMHFS? Oh my hell f*ck shit? Oh my houly f*cking shit?
damn close :P
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Post by: nat on September 13, 2011, 04:12:47 PM
MUSHA is a great game, but not quite the greatest shooter ever made. Hell, it's not even the greatest Compile shooter.
I personally enjoy Blazing Lazers and Spriggan more.
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Post by: Tatsujin on September 13, 2011, 05:52:18 PM
Spriggan is clearly above most compile stuff and one of the greatest shewties ever. Period.
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Post by: geise on September 14, 2011, 03:44:39 AM
I love Spriggan. The weapon combos are so amazing. I also like how Super Aleste/Space Megaforce used some of the weapons found in Blazing Lazers/Gunhed. My favorite compile shooters go Spriggan, Blazing Lazers/Gunhed, ZanacXZanac, MUSHA Aleste, Super Aleste/Space Megaforce
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Post by: SuperDeadite on September 14, 2011, 03:52:05 AM
Real men play Compile's MSX shooters. E.I. , Zanac, Zanac EX, Aleste, Aleste Gaiden, Aleste 2
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Post by: Tatsujin on September 14, 2011, 03:55:44 AM
good stuff, but no spriggan.
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Post by: SuperDeadite on September 14, 2011, 03:58:28 AM
Spriggan is great indeed, but kinda easy. Aleste 2 on "crazy mode" takes insane skill to even survive the stage 1 mid-point boss.
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: geise on September 14, 2011, 04:07:30 AM
Actually SuperD, real men play TimeGal on LA right? :D
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Post by: SuperDeadite on September 14, 2011, 01:00:49 PM
of course, as well as VC2. But those aren't shooters...
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Post by: geise on September 14, 2011, 01:26:11 PM
How is VC2 compared to the pc98 version? :D
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Post by: SuperDeadite on September 14, 2011, 01:54:01 PM
No idea, but I'd assume the LD version would have the better quality video, which is the whole point really.
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Post by: Mathius on September 15, 2011, 05:15:37 PM
of course, as well as VC2. But those aren't shooters...
I'm pretty sure some people "shoot" after playing VC2
And by that I mean shoot pictures of course. What were you thinking? :-"
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Post by: Opethian on September 16, 2011, 01:50:03 AM
ropes...
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Post by: Arkhan on September 20, 2011, 01:45:29 AM
Contra was a good shooter.
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Post by: machomadness on October 29, 2011, 07:00:56 AM
I've always been partial to the Thunder Force games. But, I'd consider Gunstar Heroes a shooter and that's no on the list....
Title: Re: Best Genesis/MD shooters???
Post by: nat on October 29, 2011, 08:01:41 AM
I'd consider Gunstar Heroes a run-n-gun, which I suppose is a "subgenre" of shooters.
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Post by: Samurai Ghost on November 01, 2011, 04:03:52 AM
Recently bought a copy of Musha Aleste and Gaiares... Two great shooters!!
Also, would you consider games like FZ Axis and Ganada to be shooters? They are a bit different I suppose, but two great games. Love pretty much anything by Wolf Team.
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Post by: Arkhan on November 01, 2011, 06:32:45 AM
No Wings of Wor or Phelios = I don't vote.
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Post by: geise on November 01, 2011, 06:51:32 AM
Why did Sol Deace/Feace not get added to the list?
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 01, 2011, 06:55:51 AM
I just ordered a copy of Lightening Force. I hear it may be the best on the system. I have TF2 and 3.
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Post by: Mathius on November 01, 2011, 07:15:27 AM
I just ordered a copy of Lightening Force. I hear it may be the best on the system. I have TF2 and 3.
Lightening Force is really cool, but I prefer Thunder Force III as I like its music better. I don't much care for the scrolling screen in Lightening Force either. This reminds me...I still need to get a box for my copy of LF.
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Post by: Arkhan on November 01, 2011, 08:09:30 AM
Ok wait I am blind, Wings of Wor is on the list. BUT WHERE IS PHELIOS.
I really liked Phelios.
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Post by: SuperDeadite on November 02, 2011, 01:51:27 AM
Phelios is one of the weirdest ports I've ever seen. Why did Namco even bother to attempt to port that? Should have just made a sequal, or spinoff.
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Post by: Arkhan on November 02, 2011, 02:28:58 AM
Silence! It's fun and I like it.
Who cares if its all derpy.
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Post by: futureman2000 on November 02, 2011, 06:50:28 AM
I recently picked up Phelios at a local resale shop. I played it quite a bit, and I really enjoy it. And it is certainly derpy- it doesn't feel like other vertical shooters... but it is fun to play, pretty hard, and has a neat art style. I especially like the NES-grade skeleton warriors.
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Post by: Jesse813 on November 10, 2011, 02:33:35 AM
Super Fantasy Zone Thunder Force IV Battle Mania 2 Bio-Hazard Battle Musha Undeadline Gleylancer Twinkle Tale