I nominate the turd known as Turrican, though Ballistix and Timeball aren't far behind (ahead?).
P.S. - Anyone that votes for China Warrior has my permission to go f*ck themselves.
Turrican is now on the list.
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Post by: Sparky on September 15, 2011, 07:12:15 AM
Gunboat i have played and its not that bad, but Falcon can F@ck off!!!!.... terrible
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Post by: _joshuaTurbo on September 15, 2011, 07:48:02 AM
Night Creatures and China Warrior? You guys are nuts.
I voted Turrican, as I don't think there was a single turbo game i could have been more disappointed in. Imagine how awesome it could have been. The Genesis and SNES got amazing ports... just not fair!
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Post by: nodtveidt on September 15, 2011, 07:48:20 AM
Falcon is rock solid for utter suckitude. Turrican is actually pretty fun if you don't suck at it. f*ck the haters. :P
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 15, 2011, 07:57:02 AM
So far Falcon is running away with the voting.
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Post by: KingDrool on September 15, 2011, 08:05:44 AM
I voted Gunboat. Maybe there's a good game in there somewhere, but I can't find it. I was tempted to vote Night Creatures, though. And I f*ckin' HATE Ghost Manor. I gave that game it's fair shake, but it's like Chutes n' Ladders only not nearly as fun.
Also, Turrican is alright. It's all about the cheat code. ;)
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Post by: Black Tiger on September 15, 2011, 08:11:23 AM
Falcon is the worst.
Gunboat is at least somewhat playable and gives a better view of the meager polygons being used.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: nodtveidt on September 15, 2011, 08:19:07 AM
If you need a cheat code to beat Turrican, then just throw in the towel. :)
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Post by: roflmao on September 15, 2011, 09:22:36 AM
Well the only one of those I currently own is Time Cruise and I think it's far from being the worst game on the system. It doesn't hold a candle to the Crush games, but it's still fun to play from time to time. I was actually playing it this morning. :)
Of the other games listed, I've owned China Warrior and Turrican in the past and didn't care for either of them, but don't know if I'd consider them the worst either....
I've avoided all of the others due to their poor reputation, so I haven't voted yet. :) Maybe some day I'll get to experience the awfulness of some of these games.
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Post by: Necromancer on September 15, 2011, 09:25:35 AM
Falcon is rock solid for utter suckitude. Turrican is actually pretty fun if you don't suck at it. f*ck the haters. :P
Oh sorry rove, you must not have read the thread title. This is for worst Turbografx games. Any other version of turrican is fun and actually playable.
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Post by: henrycsc on September 15, 2011, 10:27:34 AM
I'd say Spriggan and Dangerous Journeys because they were promised, but never delivered. That sucks the most.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Necromancer on September 15, 2011, 10:33:11 AM
I'd say Spriggan and Dangerous Journeys because they were promised, but never delivered. That sucks the most.
Good logic (add King of the Monsters to that list), but what's Dangerous Journeys?
*edit*
Oh yeah, that's the D&D game. Too bad on that one getting the axe.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Mishran on September 15, 2011, 11:07:57 AM
I took the time to give falcon a fair chance and actually got somewhere with it. 30 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Gunboat? I have it, tried it... Hate it!
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Post by: nodtveidt on September 15, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
Oh sorry rove, you must not have read the thread title. This is for worst Turbografx games. Any other version of turrican is fun and actually playable.
Of course I read it. :P I rock the TG Turrican hardcore. I'll vidcap it someday. :)
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Post by: vestcoat on September 15, 2011, 11:39:12 AM
Falcon all the way. #1 worst game on the TG16.
Gunboat at least has some vibrant colors and it's possible to (sort of) figure out the control scheme.
Timeball gets off the hook because it was programmed in 1983 and some puzzle lovers tolerate it.
Ballistix doesn't require any manual reading and it's fifteen minutes of mindless fun for 1 or 2 players before boredom sets in. I imagine it's like Hungry Hungry Hippos, except I've never played Hungry Hungry Hippos. :-k
All of the other games are mediocre to average platformers with the exception of Ghost Manor, which is GOOD if you're not a pussy.
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Post by: vestcoat on September 15, 2011, 11:42:02 AM
I'd say Spriggan and Dangerous Journeys because they were promised, but never delivered. That sucks the most.
Good logic (add King of the Monsters to that list), but what's Dangerous Journeys?
*edit*
Oh yeah, that's the D&D game. Too bad on that one getting the axe.
Yeah, that one was a real tragedy.
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Post by: Lilgrafx on September 15, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
I voted Tale spin, other than Gunboat I don't have any of the others. Tale Spins just bad I'm sure other are complete shit. I hope someone votes China Warrior so Arkhan flips shit on them :) .
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Post by: roflmao on September 15, 2011, 11:48:46 AM
Ballistix doesn't require any manual reading and it's fifteen minutes of mindless fun for 1 or 2 players before boredom sets in. I imagine it's like Hungry Hungry Hippos, except I've never played Hungry Hungry Hippos. :-k
hahaha... that describes Ballistix perfectly.....and i have played hungry hippos :P PS: ballistix at least has a cooool manual cover
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 15, 2011, 01:55:06 PM
Ghost Manor is so far removed from a "turd" it's not even funny. A shame the OP thought it awful enough to include with the "worst" of the console.
Falcon gets my vote as a big, unplayable heap of shit. Talespin and Turrican aren't far behind.
Ghost Manor is a Wizards & Warriors style game.
Anyone considering it as possibly the worst either hasn't really played it or hasn't played most of the less-good Turbo games.
Initially when compiling names for the list I asked a few people which TurboGrafx games they hated, Ghost Manor came up and wound up on the poll. It has 0 votes as of right now. So clearly it's far from the worst. I'm surprised no one went with Darkwing Duck as a lot of people complained about it as well.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: geise on September 16, 2011, 03:26:20 AM
I must be the only one that likes Ballistix. Granted I first played it on the Amiga. A reason so many other games have yet to get votes is probably because others have played Falcon. :lol:
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: KingDrool on September 16, 2011, 03:34:32 AM
I'm surprised by how many people seem to like Ghost Manor. I played it back in the day, and then bought it again recently. I remembered disliking it, but because of the Duomazov review, I decided to take another serious crack at it. I spent an entire afternoon fumbling with the game, climbing up levels, only to get knocked back down by some shit-ass enemy. It was like playing Chutes n' Ladders into infinity.
It's not the worst game on the Turbo (sadly), but IMO it's far from even being a "good" game. It's a shame, too, because I love the art style and the music. Ghost Manor and Night Creatures both fall into the same category for me: games with really nice presentation whose gameplay is dogshit. This is all just my personal opinion. If you like the game, I don't mean to offend.
And...let the flaming begin! ;)
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Post by: csgx1 on September 16, 2011, 05:13:55 AM
I'm surprised by how many people seem to like Ghost Manor. I played it back in the day, and then bought it again recently. I remembered disliking it, but because of the Duomazov review, I decided to take another serious crack at it. I spent an entire afternoon fumbling with the game, climbing up levels, only to get knocked back down by some shit-ass enemy. It was like playing Chutes n' Ladders into infinity.
It's not the worst game on the Turbo (sadly), but IMO it's far from even being a "good" game. It's a shame, too, because I love the art style and the music. Ghost Manor and Night Creatures both fall into the same category for me: games with really nice presentation whose gameplay is dogshit. This is all just my personal opinion. If you like the game, I don't mean to offend.
And...let the flaming begin! ;)
I'm not sure that anyone said that they "like" it. My intepretation was that they felt Ghost Manor simply isn't as terrible as others.
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Post by: DesmondThe3rd on September 16, 2011, 06:09:04 AM
Ghost Manor and Night Creatures both fall into the same category for me: games with really nice presentation whose gameplay is dogshit. This is all just my personal opinion. If you like the game, I don't mean to offend.
And...let the flaming begin! ;)
The gameplay in Ghost Manor is quick, responsive, and intuitive--a world apart from Night Creatures. Frustration sets in because the level design on stage 2, coupled with the insanely-vicious difficultly, can make things repetitive. Still, the contempt for Ghost Manor is strange because people thrive on the challenge of getting knocked back, killed, and restarting the level a million times when playing side-scrolling games like Ninja Gaiden and Ghouls and Ghosts. Ghost Manor isn't much different, only less-linear.
Judging from the music style, it would seem so... very Euro-scenish. If they took just a few more minutes to tweak the collision detection, this game would have been good... not spectacular, but good at least.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: neoxeno on September 16, 2011, 04:13:43 PM
I hate Talespin. Each time I play that game, it makes me angry :evil:
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Post by: Tatsujin on September 16, 2011, 07:43:09 PM
Judging from the music style, it would seem so... very Euro-scenish. If they took just a few more minutes to tweak the collision detection, this game would have been good... not spectacular, but good at least.
it was a very different game on the c64 and amiga.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: SNKNostalgia on September 17, 2011, 01:06:02 PM
Falcon is the suck for sure!!!
The TG-16 port of gunboat is pretty rough. Only reason why I don't hate it much is that I kind of enjoyed playing the DOS version of it on my old 386sx back in 1990. This reminds me a lot of other DOS battle sim games that played like it. Examples: M-1 Abrams Battle Tank, 688 Attack Sub, A-10 Tank Killer, Red Baron, etc...
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Sadler on September 18, 2011, 12:25:18 PM
I'm surprised to see more votes for Talespin than Darkwing Duck. I wonder if that's because more people have played Talespin?
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Arkhan on September 18, 2011, 03:14:30 PM
P.S. - Anyone that votes for China Warrior has my permission to go f*ck themselves.
*hug*
I voted for Darkwang Duck, because it has no excuse for being so shitty.
I didn't vote Turrican because it sucks on every platform it's ever been on, so I'd rather save my worst TG16 vote for something meaningful.
Turrican is like, a special olympics Contra.
and I didn't vote for Falcon because its as good as every other shitty flight sim from back then. All of those games blow to me!
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: allyourblood on September 19, 2011, 11:06:24 AM
I haven't played all of the games listed, but of the several I have, it's probably a toss up between Talespin, Darkwing Duck and Yo Bro!. Since it's the only one (of those three) that I currently own, I'll go with Talespin. It's about as clunky as they come.
I've never played Falcon or Gunboat, but just from watching videos online, I imagine I'll despise them. Especially Falcon. I don't even like current flight games, let alone those wretched 8- and 16-bit offerings.
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Post by: djolof on September 19, 2011, 11:35:04 AM
My parents bought me Boxy Boy and Timeball one Christmas... what a lunch box let down that was...
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: TheClash603 on September 19, 2011, 11:42:46 AM
Darkwing Duck and Talespin are decent games, which are only seen as terrible because the NES got all of those great Capcom licensed Disney games (imagine a TG16 Ducktales... drool). Yo Bro! is a good game, and to me, seems like it could be on a few top 10 best TG16 games, so I am surprised it got a vote. Falcon sucks, but I think it is because I don't like the flight sim genre, and not necessarily because it is a bad game.
Timeball is just no fun to play, it is terrible. That's why it is my pick. Sorry to hear about your Christmas djolof, but Boxy Boy is somewhat redeeming at least.
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Post by: Mathius on September 19, 2011, 11:44:58 AM
Talespin on the NES sucked too. :wink:
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Post by: henrycsc on September 19, 2011, 02:48:37 PM
Boxyboy's a great game - just not one you give to a kid. Timeball could have been called Blowdia. It does appear though that Falcon will finally take its place atop one list at least.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: roflmao on September 19, 2011, 03:08:13 PM
Darkwing Duck and Talespin are decent games, which are only seen as terrible because the NES got all of those great Capcom licensed Disney games (imagine a TG16 Ducktales... drool).
I must be missing something because I keep hearing how much fun Ducktales is, but I just can't get into it. Maybe there's a big nostalgic factor that I'm not taking into account. (I remember the cartoon fondly - I must have been in middle school/early high school when it aired.)
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Post by: Arkhan on September 19, 2011, 04:37:10 PM
Darkwing Duck and Talespin are decent games, which are only seen as terrible because the NES got all of those great Capcom licensed Disney games (imagine a TG16 Ducktales... drool). Yo Bro! is a good game, and to me, seems like it could be on a few top 10 best TG16 games, so I am surprised it got a vote. Falcon sucks, but I think it is because I don't like the flight sim genre, and not necessarily because it is a bad game.
Timeball is just no fun to play, it is terrible. That's why it is my pick. Sorry to hear about your Christmas djolof, but Boxy Boy is somewhat redeeming at least.
Talespin was alright.
Darkwang duck was a f*cking disappointment and a half.
I really wish Capcom got to OBEY.
Little Nemo for PCE would make me piss myself infinitely.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Mathius on September 19, 2011, 05:31:23 PM
Darkwing Duck and Talespin are decent games, which are only seen as terrible because the NES got all of those great Capcom licensed Disney games (imagine a TG16 Ducktales... drool).
I must be missing something because I keep hearing how much fun Ducktales is, but I just can't get into it. Maybe there's a big nostalgic factor that I'm not taking into account. (I remember the cartoon fondly - I must have been in middle school/early high school when it aired.)
Yeah, it really helped it you got to experience Ducktales as a friday night rental back in teh day. :)
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Post by: nodtveidt on September 19, 2011, 10:07:40 PM
I honestly think that the big disappointment with Darkwing Duck is that it ended up being so mediocre after being delayed a thousand times.
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Post by: DragonmasterDan on September 19, 2011, 10:42:20 PM
I must be missing something because I keep hearing how much fun Ducktales is, but I just can't get into it. Maybe there's a big nostalgic factor that I'm not taking into account. (I remember the cartoon fondly - I must have been in middle school/early high school when it aired.)
Good level design, great control, great music. The game is a little on the short side but it's a lot of fun.
Just on a side note the NES Darkwing Duck is a lot like Mega Man which is why it's such a good game.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Arkhan on September 20, 2011, 01:42:00 AM
The PCE Darkwing Duck is a lot like teabagging a bugzapper, in that it sucks and makes you hate your life.
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Post by: DynamiteSJ on December 15, 2011, 03:11:00 PM
haha... nice topic.. this makes me want to get falcon
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Post by: esteban on December 15, 2011, 11:38:26 PM
Oh HELL NO, there's been a mistake: Timeball ain't supposed to be on that list!
I don't use "ain't" lightly...
Hell no. Timeball is a totally solid puzzle game that holds up well, 20-30 years later. Sure, it's no-frills presentation needs a face-lift to intrigue contemporary audiences, but the core game is motgerfickin' SWEET.
I must be the only one that likes Ballistix. Granted I first played it on the Amiga. A reason so many other games have yet to get votes is probably because others have played Falcon. :lol:
Please, please elaborate. ;). I'm not joking, or trying to be malicious. I just want to hear someone advocate its "redeeming" qualities. There are only a handful of games that I don't appreciate on some level—so you have a sympathetic ear.
Anyone else can jump in, too. Please focus on the game proper, because the title screen and Psygnosis-beast-as-mascot are the only things I like at present. I am willing to open my mind.
NOTE: I am so glad Rastan Saga II didn't make the list ;)
ALSO NOTE: I can't decide between Falcon and Ballistix. I actually have more fun spending 4 minutes with Falcon than 45 seconds of Ballistix.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: HercTNT on December 15, 2011, 11:47:04 PM
I dont know how the hell keith courage is not on this list. I actually sucked it up and played through Darkwing Duck and liked it!! Keith courage on the other hand makes me wanna smash my nuts with a claw hammer. A shame to cause i actually like the audio alot in KC.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Necromancer on December 16, 2011, 02:31:40 AM
I dont know how the hell keith courage is not on this list. I actually sucked it up and played through Darkwing Duck and liked it!! Keith courage on the other hand makes me wanna smash my nuts with a claw hammer. A shame to cause i actually like the audio alot in KC.
I will smash your nuts with a hammer for you.
No one disses Keith.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: roflmao on December 16, 2011, 04:19:53 AM
I was playing Keith Courage just this morning. There's no way it should be considered among the worst of the system.
Repetitive? Sure. But I remember the first time I played it, I was completely blown away at how colorful the graphics were, how fast things moved, and the the awesome soundtrack! If you played this back in the day, Keith Courage looked and sounded light years above any NES or SMS game.
Sure there are more fun games for the system, but this game, imo, put the competition to shame back in the day.
If Davis Cup Tennis were on the list, I'd probably vote for that. I haven't really played any of the other games on the list, except for China Warrior and I don't think it deserves to be on that list. I've tried a few times to get into Davis Cup Tennis and it's just not very good. I hear the other tennis game for the TG16 is better so I'll have to hunt it down one of these days.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: T2KFreeker on December 16, 2011, 11:41:36 AM
Turrican? Really? Turrican on the Turbografx 16 is awesome. It also is the port that is closest to the original game. I guess it doesn't matter that at the time that Turrican released for the C64, it was easily one of the biggest selling games on it. I know that may sound like not a huge deal, but when you look at how many Commodores sold back in the day, you may see my point then. The Genesis and SNES versions were dumbed down so people would like the game better. Really sad when you look at it.
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on December 16, 2011, 12:30:26 PM
I like timeball! It's pretty freakin cool
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: SMF on December 16, 2011, 01:03:46 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Magical Chase. ONLY because its a decent shooter but for the price it goes for is a completely terrible game.
For a $50 shooter its fun but not nowhere near what its worth.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Windy on December 16, 2011, 01:14:04 PM
Falcon is really sad. Darkwing Duck made me just angry. I did give Falcon the Vote. But there is something to be said about a game that just brings out the anger
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: HercTNT on December 16, 2011, 03:10:38 PM
Yeesh remind me to forget my clawhammer when i browse this forum :wink: Magical chase is an outstanding game.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: snickersbar on December 16, 2011, 03:12:47 PM
i voted for Darkwing Duck it could of been a really great game
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Necromancer on December 19, 2011, 02:10:27 AM
While it is not the worst game, this title really should have been better. All of the budget went into filming and digitizing the video.
BUT THE SONG--http://junk.tg-16.com/audio/ICFTD/Sea_of_Love_Full_Version_TurboGrafx_CD.mp3 --the song alone saves this title from being the worst game. I'm serious. I love that damn song.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Necromancer on December 27, 2011, 03:55:47 AM
Aww, don't say that. For what it is (a riff on cheesy b-movies), it's pretty dang good - the only really bad part being the clunky side scrolling bits.
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Post by: jayamine on December 27, 2011, 07:49:05 AM
You're absolutely right. I like that song too ... and I hate the side scrolling. The overhead combat in the original version was much better.
Those filmed scenes are soooo cheesy. I'll pop it in occasionally when I want to give my friends a good laugh.
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Post by: T2KFreeker on December 27, 2011, 09:04:38 AM
Funny as this is, my Mom and I used to go to church with Randy Platt, the original programmer for the Amiga version. It was cool knowing a guy that was inot making Video Games back when I was a kid. The guy was cool too and didn't have a big head about it. I remember my Birthday that year, he showed up with "It Came From The Desert" for the Turbo CD, but I didn't have one. Sadly, we went to the store and he got me the NES "Marvel Comics X-Men". Yeah, I felt screwed too because no matter how bad you may think It Came From The Desert was, this game was MUCH worse!
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Post by: esteban on December 28, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
...Yeah, I felt screwed too because no matter how bad you may think It Came From The Desert was, this game was MUCH worse!
:(
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Mishran on July 06, 2012, 04:27:41 PM
I figured I'd resurrect this thread by saying I've spent a couple hours playing Falcon. I'm currently on Mission 9 of 16 and have to say that, after giving it a fair chance, I'm rather enjoying it. Brings back memories of some of the flight sims I played on the computer in the early 90s'. Flight of the Intruder, MiG-29, Corncob 3D, Jetfighter II (my personal favorite at the time), Flight Sim Toolkit, etc. Falcon is definitely not the worst game on the Turbo. Gunboat wins that spot, hands down...
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: CPTRAVE on July 06, 2012, 04:38:18 PM
I would have to say falcon, or Dark Wing duck to many flaws.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: hizaygizirlz on July 24, 2012, 08:17:05 AM
I voted for Ballistix a long while back, but heve never commented b/c I hadn't played all of the games in the poll.
Well Ballistix is pretty bad I think if I would have bought it when i was little as a back of the box purchase (which never would have happened) or someone would have given it to me as a present I probably would have played it and cried. I can't say anything nice about this game.
However.....
Today I finally played Gunboat for the first time.....
I like the title screen music I wish I would have stopped there. No wonder it is still so easy to find a new copy.
So it has to be between those two IMO.
All the other games are pretty terrible as well F's or D's on an A-F grading scale with the following exceptions.
I never really gave Falcon a chance or played Impossimole so I don't know about those 2.
Falcon is the current leader so it is possible Ballistix/Falcon/Gunboat are the US holy trinity of awful.
I don't think Ghost Manor(0 votes) or China Warrior are bad enough to be part of the poll. They have their flaws, but still bring some enjoyment.
Just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: KingDrool on July 24, 2012, 12:34:29 PM
Ghost Manor's not the worst game, but holy shit do I ever hate it. I tried so hard to squeeze some enjoyment out of it, but the Chutes n' Ladders style of platforming is just so infuriating.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Black Tiger on July 24, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
Ghost Manor's not the worst game, but holy shit do I ever hate it. I tried so hard to squeeze some enjoyment out of it, but the Chutes n' Ladders style of platforming is just so infuriating.
It's Wizards & Warriors with a lame branding.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: khog143 on July 24, 2012, 04:59:18 PM
I went with Failcon. Turrible
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on July 24, 2012, 11:10:35 PM
Ghost Manor's not the worst game, but holy shit do I ever hate it. I tried so hard to squeeze some enjoyment out of it, but the Chutes n' Ladders style of platforming is just so infuriating.
It's Wizards & Warriors with a lame branding.
Absolutely... except the whole "horror" thing could have worked. I honestly believe that.
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Falcon and Gunboat often get derided because they are born of a genre that never appealed to mainstream console audiences to begin with! Sure, folks enjoyed this sort of game on the computer, but they had a very small audience on consoles...which is why I wish TTi never bothered with them.
Given time and an open mind, I think Falcon and Gunboat can bring a modicum of happiness to some folks. Personally, I have not wanted to invest the time/energy into these titles.
On the other hand, BALLISTIX WILL NEVER PROVIDE ANY JOY. EVER. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgsad.png)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: geise on July 24, 2012, 11:35:43 PM
I love Ballistix on the Amiga, ST, and TG-16. :D
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 25, 2012, 12:43:56 AM
Hard to admit but I finished Ghost Manor as a kid when games needed to be played trough since you didn't had any money to buy others :)
All i remember is how easy it was to fall down the falls and how much i wanted to throw the controller !
Yes, having little/no money helped me appreciate games that otherwise would have been abandoned (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).
I have retained this mindset ("squeeze some fun from a rock"), even though I'm not as desperate these days. I can't abandon any of my children, no matter how deformed they may be.
Please share your thoughts on Ballistix (anything really). Even a bullet list with your random thoughts.
I am fascinated by Ballistix (since I think it sucks, but admittedly I have spent very little time with it) and I honestly would love to read/learn about it from someone who's actually played it.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Obfuscate on July 27, 2012, 05:17:25 AM
China Warrior is trash, worse on the list of choices. At least some of the other shit games like Night Creatures and Falcon have a good concept. I voted other because Super Volleyball may be the worst game ever produced for any system.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on August 10, 2012, 11:44:27 AM
Falcon is retarted. It makes Hatris and JJ and Jeff look fun.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: majors on August 13, 2012, 08:01:42 AM
Super Volleyball may be the worst game ever produced for any system.
To each their own. I played SV in the arcade and on the Genny and TG without much distaste. Controls might need getting used to, sort of like AP Kick Boxing, but it's not garbage IMO. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather play Power Golf over Super Volleyball, but on the other hand, I'd would play SV over Falcon and Gunboat.
Did it scar you in your early life? Or did the obscene amount of NBC coverage to volleyball turn you off to it?
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: vestcoat on August 13, 2012, 10:17:07 AM
All you China Warrior naysayers need to go play some other games from '87-89 for a couple of hours and try it again. Remember that kids were happily playing middle-of-the-road games like Karnov and Magmax and SMS Black Belt for hours on end. Is CW on par with all-time classics like Mega Man, Punch Out, and Contra? No, but it's no Back to the Future or Friday the 13th either. Compared to its contemporaries, China Warrior holds its own even if you ignore the superior graphics. CW is unpopular is because nobody knows what to make of a weird rhythm game/beat-'em-up, not because it's a bad game.
To each their own. I played [Super Volleyball] in the arcade and on the Genny and TG without much distaste. Controls might need getting used to, sort of like AP Kick Boxing, but it's not garbage IMO.
Wow. I didn't know we had a member that liked SV, let alone an expert in all three versions! I've made a couple of serious attempts to play/enjoy that game, with little success.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Mathius on August 13, 2012, 01:28:22 PM
All you China Warrior naysayers need to go play some other games from '87-89 for a couple of hours and try it again. Remember that kids were happily playing middle-of-the-road games like Karnov and Magmax and SMS Black Belt for hours on end. Is CW on par with all-time classics like Mega Man, Punch Out, and Contra? No, but it's no Back to the Future or Friday the 13th either. Compared to its contemporaries, China Warrior holds its own even if you ignore the superior graphics. CW is unpopular is because nobody knows what to make of a weird rhythm game/beat-'em-up, not because it's a bad game.
To each their own. I played [Super Volleyball] in the arcade and on the Genny and TG without much distaste. Controls might need getting used to, sort of like AP Kick Boxing, but it's not garbage IMO.
Wow. I didn't know we had a member that liked SV, let alone an expert in all three versions! I've made a couple of serious attempts to play/enjoy that game, with little success.
Majors will continue to impress everyone with his gaming prowess. :wink:
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Mobius on August 13, 2012, 01:46:44 PM
Falcon is not just bad, it's unplayable. What a turd.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Xray on August 13, 2012, 03:24:29 PM
I liked Falcon, back in the day. If you were -2 years old when it came out, you really can't wrap your head around how much of an improvement it was, at the time, over pong and space invaders. I'm a life long military aviation nut, it was one of the first games to tackle the complex subject, and did fairly well, considering the state of technology when it came out.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on August 14, 2012, 01:01:54 AM
I liked Falcon, back in the day. If you were -2 years old when it came out, you really can't wrap your head around how much of an improvement it was, at the time, over pong and space invaders. I'm a life long military aviation nut, it was one of the first games to tackle the complex subject, and did fairly well, considering the state of technology when it came out.
This is precisely why Ballistix is the worst game (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on August 14, 2012, 01:07:24 AM
I have resisted defending China Warrior for this entire thread. Suffice it to say, China Warrior is the BEST game on the list (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).
Super Volleyball may be the worst game ever produced for any system.
To each their own. I played SV in the arcade and on the Genny and TG without much distaste. Controls might need getting used to, sort of like AP Kick Boxing, but it's not garbage IMO. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather play Power Golf over Super Volleyball, but on the other hand, I'd would play SV over Falcon and Gunboat.
Did it scar you in your early life? Or did the obscene amount of NBC coverage to volleyball turn you off to it?
Hahahahahaha. I've never really played Super Volleyball, but my curiosity is piqued by the passions (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).
Honest question: have you given Ballistix a whirl? What are your thoughts. Personally, haven't tried to play it for more than a few minutes, so perhaps I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: majors on August 14, 2012, 01:23:51 AM
Honest question: have you given Ballistix a whirl?
Truth? Nope. Gave it a few minutes here and there (when I forgot what game it was!). Seems like a EUR PC game, prolly had that cool 80's syth-techno on the computer. Memory tells me that it was too fast, but two player might be fun. This week I'll give it a good 30-60 minutes just so I can praise or lambast it in the future.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Obfuscate on August 14, 2012, 03:17:10 AM
All you China Warrior naysayers need to go play some other games from '87-89 for a couple of hours and try it again.
I had a SMS and Nintendo before I got my Duo as a kid and still have all my Nintendo stuff and can honestly say every game I own is better than China Warrior. Nintendo Kung Fu is a thousand times more fun. My buddy as a kid that turned me on to the Turbo owned China Warrior and I hated it then also.
As far as Super Volleyball just the single plane, poor action, I just can't stand it. I've given it some tries and it's not fun or well put together at all imo and I typically actually enjoy sports games (especially as a kid). Like I said there are other games as unplayable as SVB but I think they had at least a decent concept. To each their own though.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on August 14, 2012, 06:20:51 AM
All you China Warrior naysayers need to go play some other games from '87-89 for a couple of hours and try it again.
I had a SMS and Nintendo before I got my Duo as a kid and still have all my Nintendo stuff and can honestly say every game I own is better than China Warrior. Nintendo Kung Fu is a thousand times more fun. My buddy as a kid that turned me on to the Turbo owned China Warrior and I hated it then also.
As far as Super Volleyball just the single plane, poor action, I just can't stand it. I've given it some tries and it's not fun or well put together at all imo and I typically actually enjoy sports games (especially as a kid). Like I said there are other games as unplayable as SVB but I think they had at least a decent concept. To each their own though.
I've been defending China Warrior for years...
Exhibit A: China Warrior is superior to Kaze Kiri (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=645.msg3190#msg3190)
Exhibit B: Approach China Warrior as a rhythm game (http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=5007.msg88025#msg88025)
...but I know that some people have a difficult time finding enjoyment in it.
We have also discussed how China Warrior is indebted to Gladiator (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator_(video_game)) (another game you will probably loathe (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png) ).
Anyway, suffice it to say, China Warrior is awesome. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: geise on August 14, 2012, 08:07:49 AM
Hell yeah to China Warrior! I now would like to change my vote to Takin' it to the Hoop. One, cause I really hate sports games, and two because Canada is trying to off that shitty title on us as if he's doing us a favor.
EDIT: Well I'm a dipshit. That was Bardoly.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: fragmare on August 14, 2012, 08:23:37 AM
China Warrior is a steaming pot of hot ass with dingleberry garnish.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: reno5 on August 14, 2012, 08:35:34 AM
Need to get China Warrior and try it...
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: vestcoat on August 14, 2012, 08:38:05 AM
This is precisely why Ballistix is the worst game (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).
I have Ballistix sympathies. It has some of that awesome Psygnosis/SotB atmosphere, it's mindless fun (kind of), it translates well to the TE, and it's two player on the TG. Strategy amounts to adjusting turbo switches for ammo conservation and trying to see what the hell the power-ups are before accidentally running over them.
It doesn't have much depth, but it's easy to play and there's no learning curve or introductory hurdles. Anyone can sit down and experience everything Ballistix has to offer in five minutes. The creators and programmers who ported it succeeded in executing the concept.
The only thing that really ruins a game for me is when the play control is absolutely broken (Impossamole, Night Creatures and Energy are good examples; Darkwing and Tailspin are good enough IMO) or when the play control and/or genre is so esoteric that a normal person (i.e. me) can't learn how to play in under an hour (Super Volleyball, Falcon).
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on August 14, 2012, 09:54:13 PM
CORRECTION: I misspoke earlier. China Warrior, is the second-best game on the list. Why? Well, Timeball (Blodia) SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN INCLUDED. Never. Timeball is such a simple, elegant, fantastic action-puzzle game with splendid (if too few) songs in gloriously warm PSG. If you disagree with any of this, you can suck my left one.
This is precisely why Ballistix is the worst game (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).
I have Ballistix sympathies. It has some of that awesome Psygnosis/SotB atmosphere, it's mindless fun (kind of), it translates well to the TE, and it's two player on the TG. Strategy amounts to adjusting turbo switches for ammo conservation and trying to see what the hell the power-ups are before accidentally running over them.
It doesn't have much depth, but it's easy to play and there's no learning curve or introductory hurdles. Anyone can sit down and experience everything Ballistix has to offer in five minutes. The creators and programmers who ported it succeeded in executing the concept.
The only thing that really ruins a game for me is when the play control is absolutely broken (Impossamole, Night Creatures and Energy are good examples; Darkwing and Tailspin are good enough IMO) or when the play control and/or genre is so esoteric that a normal person (i.e. me) can't learn how to play in under an hour (Super Volleyball, Falcon).
Broken control is certainly the death knell. However, although I agree with most of your examples, I actually don't find Impossamole to be completely broken (or, I'm a masochist). But, that's not important. We have larger issues to discuss:
Ballistix. I actually haven't played this for more than a few minutes over the past few years...but it seems so bland (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgsad.png).
In fact, I don't want to waste another breath on it.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: DragonmasterDan on August 15, 2012, 02:32:56 AM
Broken control is certainly the death knell. However, although I agree with most of your examples, I actually don't find Impossamole to be completely broken (or, I'm a masochist). But, that's not important. We have larger issues to discuss:
It controls and plays better than Night Creatures. But that's not much of a compliment.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: vestcoat on August 15, 2012, 06:36:43 AM
Yeah, Impossamole is the best of the three and I like it to some degree. It also has the hard-as-nails challenge thing going on, and some gamers thrive on that.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on August 15, 2012, 10:14:58 PM
Broken control is certainly the death knell. However, although I agree with most of your examples, I actually don't find Impossamole to be completely broken (or, I'm a masochist). But, that's not important. We have larger issues to discuss:
It controls and plays better than Night Creatures. But that's not much of a compliment.
I hear you (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png).
Yeah, Impossamole is the best of the three and I like it to some degree. It also has the hard-as-nails challenge thing going on, and some gamers thrive on that.
I just liked seeing the giant (non-animated) final boss in Impossamole. Pretty anti-climatic (unlike, say, the showdown with Jagu at the end of Legendary Axe). (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Magister on January 10, 2017, 12:23:10 PM
I have seen some video of Gunboat, and I have to say that game looks really bad. I'm told the controls for Darkwing Duck are what make that game unplayable. Have to check the other games out on youtube that are on list.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Alt-Nintega2 on January 10, 2017, 09:57:02 PM
No Deep Blue on the list?
horrible
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on January 10, 2017, 10:26:27 PM
This is like 5 years old. Yay zombie thread.
I voted for Falcon.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Magister on January 10, 2017, 11:25:13 PM
Well, I was going to make a thread asking what the worst game was for the TG. Figured I would do a search first to see if one was already made. Old thread, but maybe people's views have changed in that time.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Otaking on January 10, 2017, 11:38:52 PM
I thought these worst TG16 Hucard polls were quite interesting.
Well, I was going to make a thread asking what the worst game was for the TG. Figured I would do a search first to see if one was already made. Old thread, but maybe people's views have changed in that time.
Fair Enough. Falcon is still horrible, still virtually unplayable, and still my vote.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 11, 2017, 07:24:51 AM
Worst game: Bravoman.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: turbofan1 on January 11, 2017, 08:21:14 AM
Might be in the minority,I thought Bonk III was A shit game.Mediocre graphics,boring level design,the two player co op is almost unplayable. Definitely A step back from the first two games.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Dicer on January 11, 2017, 11:11:10 AM
Might be in the minority,I thought Bonk III was A shit game.Mediocre graphics,boring level design,the two player co op is almost unplayable. Definitely A step back from the first two games.
Bonk def got worse as things wore on, same for poor Zonk...
Also, those shitting on China Warrior, you can all go DIAF.
Darkwing could have been so much more and it's so much less.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on January 11, 2017, 11:45:17 AM
Might be in the minority,I thought Bonk III was A shit game.Mediocre graphics,boring level design,the two player co op is almost unplayable. Definitely A step back from the first two games.
Bonk def got worse as things wore on, same for poor Zonk...
Also, those shitting on China Warrior, you can all go DIAF.
Darkwing could have been so much more and it's so much less.
QFT
Bonk 3 is kind of overrated but it at lest is enjoyable in a playthough.
Yeah China Warrior does not suck even if incredibly frustrating at times. I'm sure that many agree becuase it still comes up a lot.
Darkwing is broken, as is Talespin, and they could have been so much better in so many different ways. But they are still playable to a degree.
Talespin's underwater level is impossibly f*cked, for the record. And the Air Hanger level's respawn points make the game unpredictable and frustrating. The controls for Baloo are so damn clunky you might as well just jump into the path of Everything that is thrown at you, and the "duck" function is almost as bad as Tatsunoko fighter, (which is a horrific mess of a game) which i think is one or two pixels.
That said, the game art is pretty awesome, and on the PVM its a sweet looking game. I've had a lot of fun playing it even if i have thrown the controller across the room a few times.
Falcon has the playability of Dragster for the 2600.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Magister on January 11, 2017, 12:21:16 PM
It seems clear that I should stay away from Falcon and Gunboat. Did anyone make a poll for the CD games?
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 11, 2017, 12:25:51 PM
I've never played it so I have to ask, is the TG-16 version of Falcon particularly shite or do you all just hate flight similators? I ask this because I played a lot of Falcon on a 9" b/w Mac and I thought it was the best flight sim I had yet played (later to be completely eclipsed by Amiga and DOS versions). If the TG version has specific problems then what are they? Don't say that the sprites are tiny and popup only as you are about to smash into them. Don't say it's boring. All flight sims are boring and all the ones from the 80s looked like Falcon 16, often worse.
Darkwing Duck (aka: Cockwing f*ck) is just bad though. It has the one flaw that is unforgivable in platform games: horrendously bad collision. The fact that the art department actually did their job just makes its unplayability even more frustrating. It reminds you of other Disney games on worse systems with worse graphics that are 1000 times better than this POS. At least Night Creatures spares us that bipolar nuttiness. Night Creatures is total wood pulp parfait top to bottom. If you're the one maniac in a million that likes how it looks then you're going to be the one who likes the way it plays as well.
I don't know why you retards are talking about Bonk and Zonk though. Just...stop it.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 11, 2017, 01:05:01 PM
I've never played it so I have to ask, is the TG-16 version of Falcon particularly shite or do you all just hate flight similators? I ask this because I played a lot of Falcon on a 9" b/w Mac and I thought it was the best flight sim I had yet played (later to be completely eclipsed by Amiga and DOS versions). If the TG version has specific problems then what are they? Don't say that the sprites are tiny and popup only as you are about to smash into them. Don't say it's boring. All flight sims are boring and all the ones from the 80s looked like Falcon 16, often worse.
Darkwing Duck (aka: Cockwing f*ck) is just bad though. It has the one flaw that is unforgivable in platform games: horrendously bad collision. The fact that the art department actually did their job just makes its unplayability even more frustrating. It reminds you of other Disney games on worse systems with worse graphics that are 1000 times better than this POS. At least Night Creatures spares us that bipolar nuttiness. Night Creatures is total wood pulp parfait top to bottom. If you're the one maniac in a million that likes how it looks then you're going to be the one who likes the way it plays as well.
I don't know why you retards are talking about Bonk and Zonk though. Just...stop it.
Ha!
I think you read my mind.
I was about to post about how I have no desire to play a flight sim, yet I have some interest in Funboat, despite the fact that it is not far removed from Falcon (slow, plodding simulations).
Funboat > Galcon (IMHO)
As for Night Creatures, I am not bullshitting....the aesthetics are somewhat intriguing to me (since it is a very distinct and uncommon art for a console...maybe some computer games have art like this, but not many console games).
I just wish I could actually play Night Creatures. I just die and die and die.
I tried to figure it out, on my own, but I think that one of these days I'll have to admit defeat and follow Black_Tiger's FAQ.
I had a similar experience with TURRICAN. I thought I could figure it out on my own, but after years of flailing around in it (making very little headway), I finally looked at somebody's FAQ/video (nodtveidt/old_rover?)...
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on January 11, 2017, 01:19:20 PM
I've never played it so I have to ask, is the TG-16 version of Falcon particularly shite or do you all just hate flight similators? I ask this because I played a lot of Falcon on a 9" b/w Mac and I thought it was the best flight sim I had yet played (later to be completely eclipsed by Amiga and DOS versions). If the TG version has specific problems then what are they? Don't say that the sprites are tiny and popup only as you are about to smash into them. Don't say it's boring. All flight sims are boring and all the ones from the 80s looked like Falcon 16, often worse.
I was impossibly addicted to flight simulators when I was younger, and got so good at X-wing (with the Y-Wing/B-Wing expansion), I could set the controls via keyboard (about 36 keystrokes) in under 15 seconds. I completed 100% of the game. I even had a (MicroProse?) flight stick. There were also a few other 486-66 flight sims I played, F-14 Tomcat, Microsoft Flight Sim 4.0?, Ace Combat, and The Tie Fighter series. There were a few others I pirated got reviewers copies of for educational purposes.
Darkwing Duck (aka: Cockwing f*ck) is just bad though. It has the one flaw that is unforgivable in platform games: horrendously bad collision. The fact that the art department actually did their job just makes its unplayability even more frustrating. It reminds you of other Disney games on worse systems with worse graphics that are 1000 times better than this POS. At least Night Creatures spares us that bipolar nuttiness. Night Creatures is total wood pulp parfait top to bottom. If you're the one maniac in a million that likes how it looks then you're going to be the one who likes the way it plays as well.
This game I haven't come across yet so I have no opinion of it. The fact that you have such a strong opinion of it kind of confirms my suspicion that it's a Quackshot ripoff.
I don't know why you retards are talking about Bonk and Zonk though. Just...stop it.
It's kind of hard to talk shit about such a flagship game with such an awesome character, but the sequels have been subsequently disappointing imo; Zonk for lack of new content on the CD (im not talking about the soundtrack but the fact that there was pretty much only one game). or a sequel... on any system ever. Bonk for the 3rd game going apeshit in price and the Xbox version dying in mid-development. I relaly like the first two. I don't think that's so much of a critique of the game mechanics but more of how they handled the followup of the franchises.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Necromancer on January 12, 2017, 02:27:57 AM
Darkwing Duck is definitely flawed, but at least it has a very playable easy mode. It won't help with sliding off platforms (sometimes to your death), but the changes to damage taken/dealt make up for the shoddy hit detection, making it far less frustrating to play.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Punch on January 12, 2017, 03:33:42 AM
Falcon... I have beaten this game twice for some f*cked up reason and while it's not unplayable it is boring and is the least impressive 3d game of the Falcon/Gunboat duo. It's amazing how Spectrum Holobyte decided to port it to the Turbografx!
At least Gunboat had kind of "screen filling" 3d porygons and while it lacked some polish (it could have been so much better if it wasn't rushed to market) it handles everything way better than Falcon. In Falcon every 3d model is tiny and you can only view them if you actually fly very, VERY close to ground. Otherwise it's a shitty take on a NES style jet game with the engine struggling to draw a plain ground with occasionally some lines that aren't even fully filled to represent roads and river streams.
You can kinda see that they tried to fit every possible function found on a flight sim on a two button controller (there's even an EJECT button combo!) so they were really trying early in development but the end result is SHIT. Gunboat is also not very enjoyable but it's far more impressive and playable than Falcon.
So for me it's: 1st = FALCON 2nd = Gunboat & Balls in my Face DX (aka Ballistix).
the rest of the Turbo library range from good to mediocre but aren't really as crap as these three games.
Tangent: was a flight stick planned for the Turbo Duo or this is just a slightly confusing way to refer to a possible TTi rebrand of the Turbo Stick that never happened? Dafuq is a Joystick (tm) High Performance Controller?
(http://i.imgur.com/0CvfA5r.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: HuMan on January 12, 2017, 06:33:11 AM
There should be a marathon contest where whoever manages to finish every game in the poll gets a great prize.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Lost Monkey on January 12, 2017, 08:03:29 AM
Tangent: was a flight stick planned for the Turbo Duo or this is just a slightly confusing way to refer to a possible TTi rebrand of the Turbo Stick that never happened? Dafuq is a Joystick (tm) High Performance Controller?
(http://i.imgur.com/0CvfA5r.jpg)
I don't think there was ever going to be TTi rebranding, so that's just fancy marketing for "TurboStick"...
There should be a marathon contest where whoever manages to finish every game in the poll gets a great prize.
After finishing all those, a great prize would be death.
:lol:
The prize is you are cursed into playing Tatsunoko Fighter for eternity until you beat it.
That was my first experience with a Japanese Huey. I ordered a green diving board adapter from TZD, along with a US Super system Card, but no Japanese games... I found Tatsunoko Fighter at a game store for $5. I loved how "fast" the game was, but it was very HARD, and very 8-bit...
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 12, 2017, 09:21:40 AM
I've never played it so I have to ask, is the TG-16 version of Falcon particularly shite or do you all just hate flight similators? I ask this because I played a lot of Falcon on a 9" b/w Mac and I thought it was the best flight sim I had yet played (later to be completely eclipsed by Amiga and DOS versions). If the TG version has specific problems then what are they? Don't say that the sprites are tiny and popup only as you are about to smash into them. Don't say it's boring. All flight sims are boring and all the ones from the 80s looked like Falcon 16, often worse.
I was impossibly addicted to flight simulators when I was younger, and got so good at X-wing (with the Y-Wing/B-Wing expansion), I could set the controls via keyboard (about 36 keystrokes) in under 15 seconds. I completed 100% of the game. I even had a (MicroProse?) flight stick. There were also a few other 486-66 flight sims I played, F-14 Tomcat, Microsoft Flight Sim 4.0?, Ace Combat, and The Tie Fighter series. There were a few others I pirated got reviewers copies of for educational purposes.
Darkwing Duck (aka: Cockwing f*ck) is just bad though. It has the one flaw that is unforgivable in platform games: horrendously bad collision. The fact that the art department actually did their job just makes its unplayability even more frustrating. It reminds you of other Disney games on worse systems with worse graphics that are 1000 times better than this POS. At least Night Creatures spares us that bipolar nuttiness. Night Creatures is total wood pulp parfait top to bottom. If you're the one maniac in a million that likes how it looks then you're going to be the one who likes the way it plays as well.
This game I haven't come across yet so I have no opinion of it. The fact that you have such a strong opinion of it kind of confirms my suspicion that it's a Quackshot ripoff.
I don't know why you retards are talking about Bonk and Zonk though. Just...stop it.
It's kind of hard to talk shit about such a flagship game with such an awesome character, but the sequels have been subsequently disappointing imo; Zonk for lack of new content on the CD (im not talking about the soundtrack but the fact that there was pretty much only one game). or a sequel... on any system ever. Bonk for the 3rd game going apeshit in price and the Xbox version dying in mid-development. I relaly like the first two. I don't think that's so much of a critique of the game mechanics but more of how they handled the followup of the franchises.
As I said, I played Falcon first on a 68000 based Mac with 1MB of RAM and it was a better system than a lot of people had. A 486 DX, any 486, and an EGA PC or b/w Mac is like the difference between PS1 and PS2 if not PS3.
To be specific, back in the mid 80s the one screenshot you wanted on the box was the instrument panel because really complicated instrument panels looked cool to us. Think about what a low bar that is for nerd excitement, but seriously every other thing in the game looked like...unidentifiable most of the time.
The game was released for Mac in 1987, same year as the TG. The TG was $200 the Mac I'm talking about was $5500 or so as configured. The game itself was probably double the price on Mac.
So again, is it a bad port? I know it's zero fun, but really the controller issue is the only thing anyone has mentioned here that can be said to discredit the quality of the port and the original game was extremely popular with a lot if people even if it's dated to the point of near unplayability.
Again with Bonk and Zonk. Be serious. EVERY game in the xonk series is better than Bravoman and Bravoman is better than every game on this list including Falcon, so I can't see why you'd bring them up. It's like when people say Stg Pepper is the worst album ever made when really they are just pissed that one Beatles record sucks. Pepper is still a Beatles album. It's not f*cking Night Ranger or Screwdriver.
An 8 is not a 2 just because it isn't a 10...not sure if that made any sense.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on January 12, 2017, 09:23:50 AM
There should be a marathon contest where whoever manages to finish every game in the poll gets a great prize.
After finishing all those, a great prize would be death.
:lol:
The prize is you are cursed into playing Tatsunoko Fighter for eternity until you beat it.
That was my first experience with a Japanese Huey. I ordered a green diving board adapter from TZD, along with a US Super system Card, but no Japanese games... I found Tatsunoko Fighter at a game store for $5. I loved how "fast" the game was, but it was very HARD, and very 8-bit...
That's awesome! I got it on the recommendation of Sinistron (RIP), and Beat it over a weekend. I remember level three being impossibly hard, so I left it on through Saturday and came back to it Sunday. It's one of those games that I remember fondly but would never play again unless someone else insisted on me showing it to them.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Mathius on January 12, 2017, 10:30:34 AM
I tried to play Gunboat once.
Once.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Punch on January 12, 2017, 11:03:19 AM
Tangent: was a flight stick planned for the Turbo Duo or this is just a slightly confusing way to refer to a possible TTi rebrand of the Turbo Stick that never happened? Dafuq is a Joystick (tm) High Performance Controller?
(http://i.imgur.com/0CvfA5r.jpg)
I don't think there was ever going to be TTi rebranding, so that's just fancy marketing for "TurboStick"...
Thank you Esteban, I would have never guessed otherwise. Seems like they just forgot to replace "joystick" with "TurboTap" when editing the manual (not their only mistake, see "Contoroller" on the next page...)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: bob on January 12, 2017, 11:44:09 AM
LOL. love how they "TM" the word JoyStick because they missed Turbo in front of the Stick.
Title: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 12, 2017, 11:14:22 PM
Tangent: was a flight stick planned for the Turbo Duo or this is just a slightly confusing way to refer to a possible TTi rebrand of the Turbo Stick that never happened? Dafuq is a Joystick (tm) High Performance Controller?
(http://i.imgur.com/0CvfA5r.jpg)
I don't think there was ever going to be TTi rebranding, so that's just fancy marketing for "TurboStick"...
Thank you Esteban, I would have never guessed otherwise. Seems like they just forgot to replace "joystick" with "TurboTap" when editing the manual (not their only mistake, see "Contoroller" on the next page...)
CONTOROLLER.
:)
FACT: That diagram of the TurboStick/TurboPad are the ONLY reason to own Falcon, IMHO.
I'll have to do something with those images. Thank you for redeeming hope in my decision to purchase Falcon.
Hahahahahhahaha. Ever since _______ (forget his name, from Bros. Duomazov) mentions that 99.99% of folks weren't using the TurboSwitches to switch views/weapons (I forget the mechanic), I realized that I had never read the damn instructions and had never played the game properly.
That's awesome! I got it on the recommendation of Sinistron (RIP), and Beat it over a weekend. I remember level three being impossibly hard, so I left it on through Saturday and came back to it Sunday. It's one of those games that I remember fondly but would never play again unless someone else insisted on me showing it to them.
Do I have dementia?
I can't place this game... I keep thinking about that boxing game for the Virtual Boy... in fact, it was only upon rereading your posts that I realized that you were talking about PCE.
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Again with Bonk and Zonk. Be serious. EVERY game in the xonk series is better than Bravoman and Bravoman is better than every game on this list including Falcon, so I can't see why you'd bring them up. It's like when people say Stg Pepper is the worst album ever made when really they are just pissed that one Beatles record sucks. Pepper is still a Beatles album. It's not f*cking Night Ranger or Screwdriver.
An 8 is not a 2 just because it isn't a 10...not sure if that made any sense.
That makes perfect sense.
But, I have more fun playing a lot of the duds on this list than Bravoman. Sorry, folks. :(
I really wanted to express how lame Bravoman is. I bought that pile of shite from TZD catalog... you know what I passed up? Magical Chase, Beyond Shadowgate, etc.
I paid good money for Bravoman because I was in the mood for a platformer. I still remember that fateful decision.
I CAN'T BE RATIONAL ABOUT THAT TRAGIC DECISION.
:)
Well, I could be...
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: bob on January 13, 2017, 03:30:20 AM
i have been using nothing BUT turbosticks for the last few months.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 13, 2017, 09:01:53 AM
As I said, I played Falcon first on a 68000 based Mac with 1MB of RAM and it was a better system than a lot of people had. A 486 DX, any 486, and an EGA PC or b/w Mac is like the difference between PS1 and PS2 if not PS3.
To be specific, back in the mid 80s the one screenshot you wanted on the box was the instrument panel because really complicated instrument panels looked cool to us. Think about what a low bar that is for nerd excitement, but seriously every other thing in the game looked like...unidentifiable most of the time.
The game was released for Mac in 1987, same year as the TG. The TG was $200 the Mac I'm talking about was $5500 or so as configured. The game itself was probably double the price on Mac.
So again, is it a bad port? I know it's zero fun, but really the controller issue is the only thing anyone has mentioned here that can be said to discredit the quality of the port and the original game was extremely popular with a lot if people even if it's dated to the point of near unplayability.
I never played the other Falcon ports. At the time when you were running that Mac, I had an IBM-Compaq 286 with a faulty graphics card that was only able to play Galaxian and the first level of Robocop in EGA. Virtually every game didn't work on that computer and I had to bring it back to Software, etc. I remember being incredibly angry after buying Power Drift and Mega Traveller II, and neither of them working.
Again with Bonk and Zonk. Be serious. EVERY game in the xonk series is better than Bravoman and Bravoman is better than every game on this list including Falcon, so I can't see why you'd bring them up. It's like when people say Stg Pepper is the worst album ever made when really they are just pissed that one Beatles record sucks. Pepper is still a Beatles album. It's not f*cking Night Ranger or Screwdriver.
An 8 is not a 2 just because it isn't a 10...not sure if that made any sense.
I didn't bring up Bonk 3 and I don't think Bonk 3 should be on this list, but the game isn't close to a 10. Its somewhere between a 7 and 8.
I always preferred the cover of "We're just in it for the Money" by Zappa. lol Yeah that made sense haha.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: seieienbu on January 13, 2017, 09:44:33 PM
Why wasn't Drop Off on this list? I went back and played it again last December and though I don't hate it as much as I did as a kid I still think it's awful. I hated it so much that I forgot I even owned it for a while. After I played it for 20 minutes or so I just put it back and then it got lost to time until I found it a year or two ago. It's the only game that I bought as a kid that I still have the box.
Title: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 13, 2017, 11:36:09 PM
Why wasn't Drop Off on this list? I went back and played it again last December and though I don't hate it as much as I did as a kid I still think it's awful. I hated it so much that I forgot I even owned it for a while. After I played it for 20 minutes or so I just put it back and then it got lost to time until I found it a year or two ago. It's the only game that I bought as a kid that I still have the box.
I forget to give this game another chance...
I've never really taken the time to play it for more than 10-15 minutes....
This means I have been successfully ignoring Drop Rock Hora Hora for 25+ years.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Punch on January 14, 2017, 01:27:33 AM
Is falcon the worst US game? See for yourself.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: TheClash603 on January 14, 2017, 08:48:21 AM
Not a game for me, but didn't seem that bad in spots. What was your impression after the playthrough?
Time Ball is complete shit still, this game is miles ahead of it.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on January 14, 2017, 10:28:11 AM
Well, I guess we'll all find out here in a few whether or not its the worst game for the turbob.
Again I can't compare it to other versions, but as far as flight sims go, the PCE Falcon is the worst I've played. I base most of my argument on the shitty controls, and I didn't really like the graphics all too much. If that makes my argument somehow invalid or misinformed, then ok.. I hand it to you, Punch for playing all the way though it.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Punch on January 14, 2017, 12:02:37 PM
Not a game for me, but didn't seem that bad in spots. What was your impression after the playthrough?
Time Ball is complete shit still, this game is miles ahead of it.
I don't know... it's not easy to decide if this game is truly the worst or not, esp. now that I've played it again and the experience is fresh on my memory. It is a competent game but it's the least exciting flight sim you could play. The only missions that are fun and challenging are the MiG airstrip raid mission (23:41) and the last quasi-suicidal mission (in which I actually sacrificed myself to hit the last target, I crash landed but actually got the ending screen lol). Most missions were too easy or too annoying... and in this game dogfight missions feel like the most boring thing ever. Also the control scheme really hurts the game since you have to input button combos for important stuff and since the game lags so much when the screen is busy it fails to register your button presses A LOT (so yes blueraven your argument is valid).
It certainly isn't GOTY material but I don't think this is the worst anymore. Aside from the 3d tech employed which I still think is better on Gunboat, the Vietnam sim is worse since everything is so clunky and boring to play. I'm changing my vote to Gunboat.
I'm probably the world record holder for # of clears in falcon (three). :lol:
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: gex on January 15, 2017, 04:55:55 PM
Wow so much hate for Falcon
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 15, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
I just realized Timeball is Blodia. It think that game is actually good. Primitive, sure, but it's a good time for me, personally. Much better than Cockwing f*ck.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: gex on January 15, 2017, 05:30:27 PM
I just realized Timeball is Blodia. It think that game is actually good. Primitive, sure, but it's a good time for me, personally. Much better than Cockwing f*ck.
:)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on January 16, 2017, 06:11:55 PM
esteban, you clearly do not have enough posts to enter this raffle :)
Please refer to the 250,000 minimum post-count guidelines which were clearly stated somewhere else, possibly on another forum.
I think I'm now a member of the 4k post club. I forget who has that sticker. Yeehaw. Nullity, eat your heart out. I HAVE AVENGED YOU!!
/shitpost
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 16, 2017, 06:35:28 PM
How the hell are you gonna claim to be in the 4k club BEFORE you have 4096 posts?! This is nonsense. I feel lied to and betrayed.
Haha. :lol:
4096 has always been the arbitrary number? :D
The joke on a joke on a joke.
Trying to remember who came up with that 4k post club banner bitd... Was it you? or Maybe esteban or Necro can remember better than I?
I made the silly banner but I totally forget the reason why I was motivated to do it. I think I had been talking to friends about the 4H Club (the old organization that did socially positive stuff with youth) and then 4K topic randomly popped up here?
I can't remember.
:)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 18, 2017, 11:03:49 PM
Naw, I just got the banner because I think lychee is delicious. It was originally from a thread in Fighting Street.
I love lychee, too, and I was disappointed that so few of our pcefxers expressed any passion for them.
Oh well....
:)
Never heard of it.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Punch on January 19, 2017, 04:51:50 PM
I love it too. Lichia best fruit.
I played SimEarth for the first time today and it is kinda boring. It is somewhat cool to see life evolving until you realize you have little control over what is happening. it is very limited too, I made a planet where the sea was full of life and land had dinosaurs, I was expecting the game to get to a point where the sapient fish would wage wars with the dinos.... Imagine my disappointment when I found out that only one race can become "smart" even though both were very similar intelligence wise according to the game's charts.
Maybe my expectations were set a little bit too high for the game.
Edit: posted this in the wrong thread ](*,)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: blueraven on January 19, 2017, 05:18:46 PM
Naw, I just got the banner because I think lychee is delicious. It was originally from a thread in Fighting Street.
Ahh, Ok. I wasn't sure if this was a carryover joke from another post. I could Have sworn I saw a banner that ran underneath someones posts that said "The official PC Engine FX 4k post club"
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esteban on January 20, 2017, 09:30:44 AM
Naw, I just got the banner because I think lychee is delicious. It was originally from a thread in Fighting Street.
Ahh, Ok. I wasn't sure if this was a carryover joke from another post. I could Have sworn I saw a banner that ran underneath someones posts that said "The official PC Engine FX 4k post club"
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/4K_Club.png)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: cccmar on January 28, 2017, 05:38:24 AM
For me it's a toss-up between Darkwing Duck and Falcon. Darkwing Duck just feels so off compared to the vastly superior NES version... it wasn't the worst game ever, but it just felt incredibly dull and uninspired. Falcon's concept was quite decent, but the execution was abysmal. So yeah, definitely either one of those 2 for me.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: DragonmasterDan on January 29, 2017, 10:42:56 AM
For me it's a toss-up between Darkwing Duck and Falcon. Darkwing Duck just feels so off compared to the vastly superior NES version... it wasn't the worst game ever, but it just felt incredibly dull and uninspired. Falcon's concept was quite decent, but the execution was abysmal. So yeah, definitely either one of those 2 for me.
The NES game isn't the same version. It's a completely different game based on the same license. And yes, obviously it's far superior game.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: gex on January 29, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
.. Guess i'm trying Falcon!
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: Arkhan on January 29, 2017, 05:41:09 PM
It reminds me of gunboat.. but in the sky. I was at a friends house it trying it out earlier today.. we gave it our best shot! :|
That or Gunboat should be called Water Falcon.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: SignOfZeta on February 01, 2017, 09:27:49 AM
When I played the original Falcon the manual basically tutorialed you through the first mission or two. You need to know what to deploy to avoid running out of fuel, not being able to hit your targets, or weighing down the plane to where it handles like crap. Flying a real F-16 isn't easy so neither will be the simulator.
I think the only flaw with this game was not giving it Power Console compatibility (ha!) or support for something else with more buttons.
Trying to map something like 200 separate buttons switches knobs etc to even a 108 keyboard is trickly. Cramming it into a two button digital pad is...well, that was probably the biggest f*ckup they made.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: gex on February 03, 2017, 09:02:46 PM
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: bob on February 09, 2017, 04:01:27 AM
(http://dotsandloops.com/games/fail.jpg)
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: esadajr on February 10, 2017, 03:42:57 AM
can't believe Cheena Warrior got votes. We got 8 people who can't see the subtleties. You have to be in harmony with your surroundings, is the game controlling you or are you controlling the game?
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: mitsuman on February 10, 2017, 04:40:34 AM
Hi i'm a newb to collecting can you tell me where i can get the game titled "other"? it must be a rarez cuz i cant find it anywhere i need to complete my collection
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: TheClash603 on February 10, 2017, 05:15:28 AM
Hi i'm a newb to collecting can you tell me where i can get the game titled "other"? it must be a rarez cuz i cant find it anywhere i need to complete my collection
Some westerners call it by an unofficial name that they swear it was changed to in western arcades: Deep Blue.
Title: Re: Worst US TG16 game
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on February 13, 2017, 06:45:13 PM