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Title: "Plays Well With Others" poll
Post by: PUSH RUN BUTTON! on January 27, 2012, 11:28:22 AM
So, let's say you're taking on a JRPG with some fellow PCEFX members... Which game would it be? (If I'm missing a critical game suggestion, let me know.)
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Post by: roflmao on January 27, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
I voted Kabuki Den because it's the only one I own. Still not too sure if I'd be able to participate as much as others, but I'd give it a shot. :)
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Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2012, 11:45:59 AM
What do you mean by "Far East of Eden"? TM1 or 2?
I voted for Kabuki because as our first game it will set a good example. There is a great FAQ. It's f*cking great. Everyone owns it (or should) and if they don't they can easily buy it for $20, if not $5. We can a actually finish this, and hopefully it will be the first of many.
I would prefer to hold off on Xanadu 2 since it seems like a patch. Is only a year or so away, hopefully.
I'm interested in Neo Metal Fantasy.
In the future I'm all for something more exotic, like Linda 3.
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Post by: Sadler on January 27, 2012, 11:56:58 AM
LoX2 was the first untranslated JPRG I played and it's absolutely awesome! I haven't played any of the Tengai Makyōs.
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Post by: nectarsis on January 27, 2012, 12:01:16 PM
I voted for Kabuki because as our first game it will set a good example. There is a great FAQ. It's f*cking great. Everyone owns it (or should) and if they don't they can easily buy it for $20, if not $5. We can a actually finish this, and hopefully it will be the first of many.
I would prefer to hold off on Xanadu 2 since it seems like a patch. Is only a year or so away, hopefully.
I'm interested in Neo Metal Fantasy.
In the future I'm all for something more exotic, like Linda 3.
This...
Kabuki Den is cheap, easy to get into with a quality FAQ. Personally I'd vote Manji Maru, but it's size/scope would def turn many people off.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: shubibiman on January 27, 2012, 12:04:32 PM
How can you chose between all those great RPG's? Take 'em all!
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Post by: Black Tiger on January 27, 2012, 12:40:38 PM
I'd wait until a few successful RPG play together runs before attempting games like Linda3, Gulliver Boy or Blood Gear, which are non-linear(ish).
I'd also avoid Monster Maker, which I really like, because of a game breaking bug near the end.
Xanadu I and Dragon Slayer II would be tough for non-hardcore Japanese RPG players, since they involve too much specific fetch questing and specific NPC chatting.
Anearth Fantasy Stories, although non-linear at the beginning, would be one of the best games to play, as it's high quality and has an amazing walk through.
Neo Metal Fantasy isn't the best choice as the first game to play. Xanadu II probably is just to see how many people can make it through even such a short game. But NMF should be high on the list for one of the runs, since it will likely surprise people with it's unique story/art/character style and Phantasy II/IV style design.
Although I haven't played far into it and there isn't an English guide for it, Cosmic Fantasy IV Chapter 2 would be a good game for this.
I've only played through about 3/4 of Xak I, but I didn't need a walkthrough, so I imagine both games are straightforward enough.
Benkei Gaiden is cheap and awesome. A very satisfying HuCard RPG to play. The Japanese guide(s) for it is easy enough to follow.
If this actually lasts a past a few games, it'd be cool to do Might & Magic III.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2012, 02:34:13 PM
I got stuck in CF 4 Part 2. I was in a town that I could not leave. It was frustrating because it wasn't a very big town at all.
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Post by: incrediblehark on January 27, 2012, 11:37:07 PM
Anearth Fantasy Stories, although non-linear at the beginning, would be one of the best games to play, as it's high quality and has an amazing walk through.
I second this, plus imho the game looks pretty amazing too.
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Post by: Samurai Ghost on January 27, 2012, 11:47:05 PM
Voted Neo Metal Fantasy as that the most appealing one on the list for me. The Phantasy Star vibe has bee really interested. But I'd be down to play through this just about anything with you guys if I have the time.
Also, a lot of these games can be had dirt cheap over here in Japan. Like around $5 for a complete copy depending on the game. So if you guys needed help getting cheap copies I might be able to help out in that regard.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: PUSH RUN BUTTON! on January 28, 2012, 06:29:16 AM
Anearth Fantasy Stories, although non-linear at the beginning, would be one of the best games to play, as it's high quality and has an amazing walk through.
I second this, plus imho the game looks pretty amazing too.
Just added Anearth to the poll. I agree, this game looks incredible.
For sheer simplicity, I voted Neo Metal Fantasy, as it has an icon based menu that I think will be easier and less intimidating for new folks like me, but I'm game for any game.
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Post by: esteban on January 28, 2012, 12:58:01 PM
Not to be cheesy, but I would encourage everyone to read Black_Tiger's post and use it as a guide.
I never finished Neo Metal Fantasy, for example, and it is calling me. However, it might be more fun to tackle it after the group completes a more straightforward game.
:)
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: PUSH RUN BUTTON! on January 28, 2012, 01:06:01 PM
Not to be cheesy, but I would encourage everyone to read Black_Tiger's post and use it as a guide.
I never finished Neo Metal Fantasy, for example, and it is calling me. However, it might be more fun to tackle it after the group completes a more straightforward game.
:)
I'm all for taking on Anearth Fantasy Stories! It looks absolutely stunning.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: BigusSchmuck on January 28, 2012, 06:16:40 PM
If the games were translated into english, I would more than likely play em. ^^ -1 for not including the awesome Wizardry games even though they aren't technically jrpgs. lol
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: shubibiman on January 28, 2012, 08:40:36 PM
Not to be cheesy, but I would encourage everyone to read Black_Tiger's post and use it as a guide.
I never finished Neo Metal Fantasy, for example, and it is calling me. However, it might be more fun to tackle it after the group completes a more straightforward game.
:)
I'm all for taking on Anearth Fantasy Stories! It looks absolutely stunning.
Agreed. I put my vote in Anearth.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: blueraven on January 29, 2012, 04:43:07 AM
The first Xanadu is so far above and beyond anything I have played that it take's 1st place.
Followed by Xanadu 2
Gulliver Boy and Blood Gear.
These are the games that brought me around to the PC Engine.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 29, 2012, 06:26:37 AM
Blood Gear is awesome. I stopped playing it for some reason.
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Post by: TR0N on January 29, 2012, 07:10:40 PM
Voted Anearth out of the list that's the only one i have.
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Post by: SamIAm on January 30, 2012, 02:25:59 AM
Have faith, guys; Xanadu II is coming in English.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Arkhan on January 30, 2012, 02:46:01 AM
What, no Necromancer?
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Senshi on January 30, 2012, 02:52:01 AM
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Necromancer on January 30, 2012, 03:16:12 AM
I voted Xanadu, but I'd be down for any of 'em really.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 30, 2012, 08:26:50 PM
OK, so when are we going to do this? I'm ready to pull the trigger on anything, but I'm going to mention something about Neo Metal Fantasy.
Just because the fight menus are icon based, don't let that sway you too much. If that's what it gets to get you to play it, then cool, that's all that matters. You need to realize though that after about an hour into any RPG, English, Japanese, or otherwise, you don't actually read that shit anyway. Its all reflex and such. 25 hours into the thing that isn't going to help you one bit and you'll be on autopilot with any game.
Regarding Kabuki Den: While this game is hella heavy on the kanji, its also one of the most well documented and understood JRPGs on PCE. Hell, I'm pretty sure if you get stuck on ANYTHING in the game Black Tiger can get you through it all by himself, never mind the other people here.
So anyway, I want to start this soon.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: soop on January 30, 2012, 10:25:03 PM
Feasably, I think it should start tomorrow. Tuesday with nothing better to do, plus we can set aside a clear month and do another in March if it's popular.
Not sure how to resolve a tie-break though - another poll with just the two winners?
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Post by: Arkhan on January 31, 2012, 12:12:42 AM
Wait what the hell are we doing I thought this was just a poll.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: soop on January 31, 2012, 01:44:16 AM
Here's the original thread, this one was set up for a poll of what game to play.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Sadler on January 31, 2012, 02:35:50 AM
I, uh, sorta misunderstood this thread. LoX2 is what I voted for, and it is probably the easiest game for non-english speakers in the list, but I'd rather play through LoX1 so we can help each other. How can I change my vote?
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Post by: Arkhan on January 31, 2012, 03:04:29 AM
oh. I didnt read that thread I guess lol
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Senshi on January 31, 2012, 05:46:34 AM
Feasably, I think it should start tomorrow. Tuesday with nothing better to do, plus we can set aside a clear month and do another in March if it's popular.
Not sure how to resolve a tie-break though - another poll with just the two winners?
That seems like a good idea.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 31, 2012, 12:09:22 PM
f*cking hell. Now it's a three way tie.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Sadler on January 31, 2012, 12:44:43 PM
No it isn't. My LoX2 vote is a vote for LoX1. We're doing LoX1 and it's going to kick ass. :D Now let's get started already before someone else votes. :D
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Post by: SignOfZeta on January 31, 2012, 02:22:57 PM
Run Button started this thread. It's up to him to end it.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: nectarsis on January 31, 2012, 02:33:21 PM
Not to be a downer on this. I LOVE (what I played of) Legend of Xanadu.....but in my years here I can honestly think of 3 people off the top of head that beat this...runin, bluraven, and IIRC nat. I'm sure there are others, but this game is LONG, and pretty hardcore.....just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: PUSH RUN BUTTON! on January 31, 2012, 02:39:16 PM
Well, we've got a good three way tie going on here. So I think letting the poll run through Friday would be a good way to see a winner come out of this. I really appreciate the interest and enthusiasm from everyone! Regardless of the game we pick, I think this is going to be a awesome.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Sadler on January 31, 2012, 02:41:28 PM
From what I've read it appears that the day/night cycle makes things a pain in the ass. My hope is that a group of us playing though it would be able to help each other get through it. But it might be too much to bite off, and like you guys said, it isn't my choice. :)
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Post by: SignOfZeta on January 31, 2012, 08:21:04 PM
Not to be a downer on this. I LOVE (what I played of) Legend of Xanadu.....but in my years here I can honestly think of 3 people off the top of head that beat this...runin, bluraven, and IIRC nat. I'm sure there are others, but this game is LONG, and pretty hardcore.....just my 2 cents.
I agree. That's why I pushed for Kabuki Den or Tengai II (or CF 3/4, Poem of the Angel 2, Emerald Dragon, anything from Rayforce, etc). We WILL beat Kabuki Den with normal levels of determination. Someone is going to flake on Xanadu, possibly everyone. The point of this venture, I think, is to beat games we've had sitting on a shelf for years. Therefore I highly recommend something as gaijin-friendly as possible.
For the record I can read very very little Japanese. I've been playing import RPGs since 1994 or so. Some I finish, some are still sitting on the shelf after 10+ years. I know about success, I know about failure. Xanadu 1 feels like failure. Regardless, I will begin whatever we decide to begin.
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Black Tiger on February 01, 2012, 12:34:09 AM
From what I've read it appears that the day/night cycle makes things a pain in the ass. My hope is that a group of us playing though it would be able to help each other get through it. But it might be too much to bite off, and like you guys said, it isn't my choice. :)
The night/day cycle is only one variable in the strongest gaijin protection I've ever encountered in a JPRG. A single chapter's number of specific required actions is equal to the total number of actions required to complete some entire games. I can comfortably play through most JRPGs without a guide, but I got stuck regularly in LoX while using a translated guide.
I think that this "plays well together" idea is a perfect way to take down a game like LoX down the road. But it will literally probably be the hardest game to get through even as a group, as others will have a hard time understanding exactly which point you are at in a chapter and exactly what they had to do in the correct order.
If everyone is fine with the prospect of attempting Xanadu, having a number of people quite along the way, everyone waiting the longer than average time it will take even the fastest player to complete... and then try again with a different game once you hear that the rest of the players have finally either finished or given up... then go right ahead. But just the downtime between players struggling with the game vs those who managed to get through will be enough to play through multiple other PCE JRPGs and would make the "plays well together" experience seem less enjoyable for some people.
At the very least, playing through games that everyone is guaranteed to complete would be good training for those who are going to have the hardest time with LoX.
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Post by: shubibiman on February 01, 2012, 01:26:04 AM
Not to be a downer on this. I LOVE (what I played of) Legend of Xanadu.....but in my years here I can honestly think of 3 people off the top of head that beat this...runin, bluraven, and IIRC nat. I'm sure there are others, but this game is LONG, and pretty hardcore.....just my 2 cents.
I've cleared it too :)
Title: Re: "Plays Well Together" poll
Post by: Necromancer on February 01, 2012, 02:24:51 AM
Since you guys think Xanadu is too hard to start out on, change my vote to Kabuki Den or whatever. I'd hate to have this fall flat on its face before we even finish one title.
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Post by: incrediblehark on February 01, 2012, 05:45:41 AM
I'll play whatever, I'll probably be the slowest though :P
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Post by: SignOfZeta on February 02, 2012, 07:32:21 AM
I'm bumping this sucker because we need a tie breaker, hopefully tonight. I'd love to start on this (whatever) game tomorrow.
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Post by: Senshi on February 02, 2012, 09:05:21 AM
Let's DO EET
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Post by: Sadler on February 03, 2012, 12:47:18 PM
Any decisions on this? :D
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Post by: SignOfZeta on February 03, 2012, 01:18:43 PM
Well, somehow Xanadu 1 got more votes so I guess I'll start playing this tonight.
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Post by: vestcoat on February 03, 2012, 01:21:37 PM
Well, somehow Xanadu 1 got more votes so I guess I'll start playing this tonight.
Ah heck. I still own that one. Guess that means I should join in.
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Post by: Sadler on February 03, 2012, 01:42:10 PM
Any suggestions on a faq/guide to use for LoX? Some very vague information here (http://xanaduhelp.blogspot.com/).
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Post by: incrediblehark on February 04, 2012, 02:40:08 AM
So we're doing this now? If nobody says otherwise I'll start playing LoX1
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Post by: roflmao on February 04, 2012, 06:02:17 AM
I don't have that game, so I'm sitting this one out (I only have Kabuki Den of the ones in the poll). But I'll be watching this thread because it sounds like this could be a hoot.
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Post by: incrediblehark on February 04, 2012, 07:24:53 AM
roflmao if you don't mind playing a cdr in your system I can send you a disc image
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Post by: roflmao on February 04, 2012, 11:21:29 AM
Cool. My Duo doesn't read CDRs and my TG16 is out getting region modded right now. But I'll send you a PM when it comes back. Thanks!
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Post by: PUSH RUN BUTTON! on February 04, 2012, 12:48:25 PM
Hey all - so it looks like we have a landslide for LoX here! I'm going to start playing tomorrow. Anyone have any ideas of the best way to do this? I'll be looking for a walkthrough tonight (if you know of any, post the links here). Maybe we should set up check-in points throughout the game?
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Post by: Senshi on February 04, 2012, 12:54:39 PM
I think only someone who has completed it would be able to define check points.
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Post by: PUSH RUN BUTTON! on February 04, 2012, 01:03:22 PM
I think only someone who has completed it would be able to define check points.
That's one reason I was going to look for a walkthrough. Or if someone who has finished it wants to make some suggestions, that'd be great.
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Post by: Sadler on February 04, 2012, 01:11:11 PM
I spent some time searching for a walk through and didn't find anything beyond what I posted above. That said, there are some videos online that I bet would help. .
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Post by: PUSH RUN BUTTON! on February 04, 2012, 03:49:36 PM
I spent some time searching for a walk through and didn't find anything beyond what I posted above. That said, there are some videos online that I bet would help. Start with this one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCLEk5p0Krg).
Looks great! And sorry about not noticing your previous post. This week has been nuts and I've been signing on just real quickly to check on the poll. Had I known you wanted to change your vote I would've adjusted it earlier and called the poll finished. All worked out though! :mrgreen: