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Title: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 23, 2012, 08:46:51 AM
A
(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JWLYPnb6DE8/T7063KHpYYI/AAAAAAAAC50/aU1381Io4Ac/s800/SkyDitherTest01.png)


B
(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-v7kRsumw0UA/T707TIILUtI/AAAAAAAAC58/R3YFNZR5a5A/s800/SkyDitherTest02.png)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: DragonmasterDan on May 23, 2012, 08:47:38 AM
I prefer B
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: storino03 on May 23, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
B looks better. the mountains create that safe feeling that I would assume people would build houses along the same 'side' for various reasons.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: PunkicCyborg on May 23, 2012, 09:03:36 AM
a
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: touko on May 23, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
B
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Necromancer on May 23, 2012, 09:22:04 AM
I've no real preference, so I voted corndogs.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: sunteam_paul on May 23, 2012, 09:43:58 AM
The sky in A draws your eye into the picture. The sky in B draws your eye out of it.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: nodtveidt on May 23, 2012, 10:19:51 AM
The sky in A draws your eye into the picture. The sky in B draws your eye out of it.
^^^ this. It's a very important detail, and since this is for a scene in which the viewer is coming into the village, then A is preferable for this scene.

And now I want corndogs.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Black Tiger on May 23, 2012, 10:40:14 AM
A looks better since the taller hut against the sky balances out the mountain, composition wise, that hut functions like a second mountain rising up. Also, the huts and tree line and mountain all flow together. Because the background elements are opaque, the tree line and mountain also work together to give the impression of perspective, as though they areflowing off into the distance. The tree line in the B pic balances out the mountain in a more 2D way, but the A pic feels more natural.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Arkhan on May 23, 2012, 12:01:47 PM
A.  for what sunteam paulito said
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 23, 2012, 01:21:50 PM
\The tree line in the B pic balances out the mountain in a more 2D way, but the A pic feels more natural.

I thought I could balance it that way and give it some tension, but after stepping back from it for a while, I like A as well.

Thanks all!
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: TheOldMan on May 23, 2012, 01:28:31 PM
I vote A. It has a more balanced feel to it.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: BlueBMW on May 23, 2012, 02:06:11 PM
I like the sheltered look the mountain gives the village in B so I picked that one :)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Keranu on May 23, 2012, 02:29:25 PM
A because I just do.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: spenoza on May 23, 2012, 04:25:34 PM
I like that it suggests an order of levels. You start out in the village, then head through the dark forest, to the foreboding black mountains.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Vectorman0 on May 23, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
I voted A because it reminded me more of Activision's sky (http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html?SoftwareID=4033) than B.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Bernie on May 23, 2012, 06:11:05 PM
I picked A, and no f*cking corn dog appeared.....  I mean damn..  Bernie sad now..
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: touko on May 23, 2012, 09:02:19 PM
B, because arkhan and TOR voted A  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 24, 2012, 04:07:50 AM
Sky sequence

(http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-JWLYPnb6DE8/T7063KHpYYI/AAAAAAAAC50/aU1381Io4Ac/s800/SkyDitherTest01.png)

(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cCBl5-Ox35I/T75Nj_oSkwI/AAAAAAAAC6g/A16qdVzvkY0/s800/Monolith_Intro_scene2SkyTest.png)

(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wfHjsVJfTpE/T75NkNH9grI/AAAAAAAAC6k/BGcAW1splM0/s800/Monolith_Intro_scene3SkyTest.png)

(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-p7atqAeYG-4/T75NkBHam7I/AAAAAAAAC6w/7gcd7rdukg0/s800/Monolith_Intro_scene4SkyTest.png)
Paul, I promise I will make my own grass blades soon ;)

Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 25, 2012, 03:25:18 AM
Would really appreciate some feedback on the overall colors. Not sure if I should continue this way or try a monochrome, or darker color scheme on the house.

(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3lzpfyzDYQw/T7-VRh9K5NI/AAAAAAAAC7s/zvF2ebf4N6g/s800/Monolith_Intro_sceneRenderTest.png)

I'm using Pauls art for the door, that will be modified a bit too to make it fit better.
 
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Arkhan on May 25, 2012, 03:28:37 AM
The roof looks like catvomit.

Change that, and you're set.

Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 25, 2012, 04:25:35 AM
The roof looks like catvomit.

Change that, and you're set.



Yeah not done yet on the roof either. It does look pretty nasty. Maybe the shading will help. Gotta remember to step back more often.

Thanks Ark!
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Arkhan on May 25, 2012, 04:35:15 AM
Yeah everything looks really bitchin except for that color, lol.

It needs a bit of yellowish-greens to offset the brownish barf green
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 25, 2012, 06:00:12 AM

Touch ups and what not

Still working out the light from the inside bit


(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1sULH_286HE/T7-6fclX8OI/AAAAAAAAC8c/0nscvOtw2Ok/s800/Monolith_Intro_sceneRenderTest02.png)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Arkhan on May 25, 2012, 06:06:58 AM
daaaaaaaaaaayum

that's way better



What the hells this for anyway?  Monorif?
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 25, 2012, 07:14:23 AM
Thanks man! Yes, Monorif indeed. lol

Been picking at Paul's work and studying me games. Or at least trying to :D

Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: KingDrool on May 25, 2012, 07:22:59 AM
Wow, that looks really good! So what's Monorif?
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Sadler on May 25, 2012, 07:47:03 AM
Wow, that looks really good! So what's Monorif?


lol, I think they are talking about Monolith.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: touko on May 25, 2012, 11:39:57 PM

Touch ups and what not

Still working out the light from the inside bit


(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-1sULH_286HE/T7-6fclX8OI/AAAAAAAAC8c/0nscvOtw2Ok/s800/Monolith_Intro_sceneRenderTest02.png)
Yes this is faaaaar better ..  :clap:
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 29, 2012, 04:47:07 AM
Render of A

Another test/render WIP

(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HiM7qjmO5SU/T8TvAyA0LhI/AAAAAAAAC9k/27N95j87z0E/s800/Monolith_Intro_scene1RenderTest01.png)

This one is taking a little bit longer

Not entirely sure how to approach the grass area right now.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 29, 2012, 04:50:03 AM
The sky in A draws your eye into the picture. The sky in B draws your eye out of it.
I voted A for this same reason.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 29, 2012, 05:16:21 AM
(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HiM7qjmO5SU/T8TvAyA0LhI/AAAAAAAAC9k/27N95j87z0E/s800/Monolith_Intro_scene1RenderTest01.png)

(http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-fBYoh1moyv0/T8T07AKRrNI/AAAAAAAAC9w/s5cIuYr5Zcc/s800/Monolith_Intro_scene1RenderTest02.png)

any tips on rendering the grass with this light setup would be awesome! 


Freaking Grass!!  ](*,)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: sunteam_paul on May 29, 2012, 06:02:31 AM
Keep it fairly simple, don't try to draw lots of detail. Cover up any plain areas with a few rocks, flowers or far implements perhaps - that would help fill it out by having extra shadows as well. Have a look through some PCE scenes, I'm sure there must be plenty of grass you can use as reference.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on May 29, 2012, 08:51:07 AM
Thanks Paul!

I thought about adding some people to the scenes as well.

Back to studying those visual scenes :D

Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on June 27, 2012, 05:24:08 AM
Haven't had a chance to work on this till now, but here's more progress

(http://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-XHJBTQ7tzJw/T-sy6azfnQI/AAAAAAAAC-o/y6mfhXFRPEk/s800/MonolithScene2Render01.png)

(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RjpgmRGF6wU/T-sy6kFP3DI/AAAAAAAAC-s/wH5depf_OEk/s800/MonolithScene3Render01.png)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Arkhan on June 27, 2012, 05:28:27 AM
This looks like total crap you suck go die.



Just kidding.

I like the door ways in particular, and still really think the color choices are excellent for the sky transition.

reminds me of some f*ckin Windows 3.1 era wallpapers or something, in a good way.  :D
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on June 27, 2012, 05:46:28 AM
This looks like total crap you suck go die.


Just kidding.

I like the door ways in particular, and still really think the color choices are excellent for the sky transition.

reminds me of some f*ckin Windows 3.1 era wallpapers or something, in a good way.  :D

SHUT UP HIPPIE! ;)

I gotta give total Props to Paul on the doors, I am using his resources from the game and just altering them a little bit to fit my needs and keep things consistent.

Win 3.1  dats how I rollz!

Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Arkhan on June 27, 2012, 05:49:33 AM
lol.

I am a big fan of those like stone-doodley doorways.   My house on Ultima Online has them!
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Mishran on June 27, 2012, 07:13:24 AM
lol.

I am a big fan of those like stone-doodley doorways.   My house on Ultima Online has them!

You still play UO??? Nando is right, you ARE a Hippie. :P :wink:

Just kidding. :D
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on June 27, 2012, 08:28:42 AM
lol.

I am a big fan of those like stone-doodley doorways.   My house on Ultima Online has them!


The OG MMO! nice!

(http://www.geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/lordbritishspacesuit.jpg)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Arkhan on June 27, 2012, 12:25:35 PM
Lord British.

Star Pilot.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on June 27, 2012, 02:21:03 PM
This looks like total crap you suck go die.



Just kidding.

I like the door ways in particular, and still really think the color choices are excellent for the sky transition.

reminds me of some f*ckin Windows 3.1 era wallpapers or something, in a good way.  :D

Actually, the colors in the sky make me think a lil' bit of Loom, of which I consider that a good thing!
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on June 27, 2012, 02:46:41 PM
This looks like total crap you suck go die.



Just kidding.

I like the door ways in particular, and still really think the color choices are excellent for the sky transition.

reminds me of some f*ckin Windows 3.1 era wallpapers or something, in a good way.  :D

Actually, the colors in the sky make me think a lil' bit of Loom, of which I consider that a good thing!

Rigth on, thanks! I took inspiration from cross wiber and several sun set pictures.

 I will look into Loom.
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: esteban on July 03, 2012, 09:09:04 PM

Nando, these screenshots look wonderful (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.html)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: BlueBMW on July 08, 2012, 05:24:15 PM

(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RjpgmRGF6wU/T-sy6kFP3DI/AAAAAAAAC-s/wH5depf_OEk/s800/MonolithScene3Render01.png)

It looks like there is a lava flow in the background... not sure that it was intentional but it looks cool!
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on July 09, 2012, 03:04:12 AM

(http://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-RjpgmRGF6wU/T-sy6kFP3DI/AAAAAAAAC-s/wH5depf_OEk/s800/MonolithScene3Render01.png)


It looks like there is a lava flow in the background... not sure that it was intentional but it looks cool!


HAH! it does. At first it was unintentional, but then I was thinking about extending that area as part of the sunset. Just have to darken the colors a tad and work on the shading and.... DAMN IT MAN, STOP PRESSURING ME! it's a WORK IN PROGRESS!!!! 


;)


Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: esteban on July 09, 2012, 05:39:55 AM
If you could add some steam rising up from the lava, the image would be perfect.

 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.html)
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: sunteam_paul on July 09, 2012, 06:01:23 AM
Haha. And that is why I never show people half finished work!
Title: Re: the Sky /layout - A or B?
Post by: Nando on July 09, 2012, 06:03:55 AM
Haha. And that is why I never show people half finished work!


(http://blog.americansforthearts.org/artsblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/8_design_by_committee.html)