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Title: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 09:00:06 AM
Hello. Ive been bidding on items on ebay for the past 10 years soon. Ive noticed a steady increase on people who refuse international customers, in USA, and im wondering what the motivations really are? I feel it has more to do with laziness than anything else.
Im aware that certain countries have more problems with customs, either delays, theft or odd restrictions to make people unwilling to ship to certain places. Italy seems the main issue for many who sell internationally otherwise. But ive come across a growing number of both professional sellers on ebay in particular, but also private persons selling, who is now refusing to sell outside USA.
When i DO get a response, asking them to please reconsider shipping abroad, providing reasurancses and what not, some do reconsider, and the deal always comes through fine, but some will only say "no". I then proceed to ask in a polite way why they do not wish to sell to me. I usually dont get responses to that, or they say "too much hassle, lost items" etc.. I dont understand the problem. A customs slip does not take that long to fill in, lost items can be insured against, like telling international customers they ONLY provide insured shipping abroad. Then its much less of a problem right there. I mean, if they would sell internationally, they could even potentially get more for their items.
Sellers on ebay.co.uk and ebay.de usually have no problem selling internationally even if they dont state it in the auction, just ask them prior to bidding and they say yes and qoute shipping if you asked for that. Sometimes shipping is too high, but at least they are willing. Often USA sellers say "shipping will be too expensive, so i dont ship outside USA". How is that their problem? I mean its the buyer who pays for it, let THEM decide if its too expensive etc..
This might come across as a rant, but im sincerely curious to hear what you guys might have to say about it. Either as USA sellers on ebay, forums or what not, or buyers from outside the USA, who has experienced the same, or simply disagree with me.. Let me hear what you guys have to say!
Ive lost the chance on bidding or buying hard to find items for fairly good prices, simply because im located in Sweden. And that is starting to annoy me... since this wasnt the case just a few years ago!
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: storino03 on June 03, 2012, 09:06:00 AM
It's more of a hassle, when problems arise due to packages being lost or sent back due to a wrong/incorrect address (wasting time), customs fraud (people refuse to pay the tax fee or whatever it is, or ask you to disguise the item as something else), wariness of shipping costs for some, and just that people don't want to. Simple as that.
It all comes down to people being ignorant to the ways of international shipping more than anything else. Unfortunate though.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Bernie on June 03, 2012, 09:07:28 AM
Yeah, it has become a hassle. Tho I still will ship overseas, but its a bitch.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Ji-L87 on June 03, 2012, 09:27:57 AM
I haven't had so much trouble with people from the US as I've had trouble with people from UK not wanting to ship to Sweden. Then again, I rarely buy things from the US because of shipping and customs. I won some sweet raffles when I first joined (Sapphire bootleg and Gate of Thunder) and sadly they seem to have gotten lost somewhere. :( So, grimm, I know your pain. Visst suger det :(
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: 420GOAT on June 03, 2012, 09:45:55 AM
in short , no one has to sell to you if they dont want to. international is a problem as far as paperwork, and i ship all over the world where i work and there is a higher percentage of incidents. customs, freight costs, damages, if some one is not in accordance with descriptions or conditions, who foots the bill? it can be a problem.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 03, 2012, 10:53:09 AM
Unless it is someone I know personally, I wont do it anymore myself. I stopped years ago after I sold off my arcade stuff. Most often after a international bidder would win they would demand I ship the item via a untrackable/uninsurable method, and mark gift, none of which I will do due to fraud/loss/damage etc. After refusing to do so they simply would not pay. I have had similar issues on Digital Press over this, with people from South America messaging me about a prior sales thread of mine, and making demands that I sell this and this and this, and ship via this method only, blah blah blah.
In the end I just said f*ck it, if I don't know you, I'm not selling to you if you are outside of the USA. People I don't even know are not doing me any favors here by winning my auctions then giving me hassles and grief. Honestly I don't need the business, as I have plenty of buyers as is domestically that I don't need to blindly sell internationally to whomever. It's too risky and too much a hassle and waste of my time anymore. People often forget there is a such thing as a bad buyer, and most of the time, in my experience, they have been located outside the US. Sucks and all, but true none the less.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Bernie on June 03, 2012, 11:08:21 AM
Unless it is someone I know personally, I wont do it anymore myself. I stopped years ago after I sold off my arcade stuff. Most often after a international bidder would win they would demand I ship the item via a untrackable/uninsurable method, and mark gift, none of which I will do due to fraud/loss/damage etc. After refusing to do so they simply would not pay. I have had similar issues on Digital Press over this, with people from South America messaging me about a prior sales thread of mine, and making demands that I sell this and this and this, and ship via this method only, blah blah blah.
In the end I just said f*ck it, if I don't know you, I'm not selling to you if you are outside of the USA. People I don't even know are not doing me any favors here by winning my auctions then giving me hassles and grief. Honestly I don't need the business, as I have plenty of buyers as is domestically that I don't need to blindly sell internationally to whomever. It's too risky and too much a hassle and waste of my time anymore. People often forget there is a such thing as a bad buyer, and most of the time, in my experience, they have been located outside the US. Sucks and all, but true none the less.
You said everything I wanted to say but couldnt get it out my head.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 11:16:08 AM
Most of your reasons for it being a hassle can be avoided by simply stating conditions prior to the sale. It isnt a valid reason to refuse these buyers simply saying its just a "hassle", no to me... I have never once had a hassle and ive done over 400 imports of various items, mostly from ebay. Now sure, you dont have to sell to everyone, no one can force you to do that. But at the same time, the reasons given are pretty much laziness about stipulating conditions than actually filling in custom forms or dealing with an issue when something occasionally goes wrong. That and a degree of prejudice.
Demand insured shipping used in the sales condition and most of your so called hassle would be out of the way. It would be the buyer and the freight company's problem then. If people dont accept those conditions, you have all the right in the world to not sell to them, and i would be on your side then. Its that simple.
Ive shipped stuff abroad myself, never once had an issue. And the extra few moments at the post office to fill in the extra information isnt really a hassle to me, it takes like 5 minutes.
Also, there is no extra significant cost for you to ship abroad. the buyer pays all the extra shipping, the insurance and if you get buyers asking you to falsify customs forms just say you wont do it and that problem is out of the world too. Ive asked for things marked as gift now and then, but i always respect if a person is unwilling to do so. I also understand that insured shipping is often costly, and i also understand the risks if i go for uninsured.
Some of you have given some depth to your reasons to deny international buyers, but i was hoping for more rational reasons than "hassle". So keep it coming!
Btw, im not trying to be offensive, so please dont take my talk of laziness as personal attacks. im lazy sometimes too!
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 11:23:06 AM
I haven't had so much trouble with people from the US as I've had trouble with people from UK not wanting to ship to Sweden. Then again, I rarely buy things from the US because of shipping and customs. I won some sweet raffles when I first joined (Sapphire bootleg and Gate of Thunder) and sadly they seem to have gotten lost somewhere. :( So, grimm, I know your pain. Visst suger det :(
Then you must be pretty well off, or really focused on game purchases compared to other expenses.. Even with import related costs i never pay prices asked in sweden, or most of europe, as opposed to US and Japan. Its always a savings even with all costs added in.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: storino03 on June 03, 2012, 11:54:19 AM
One time I had to ship a controller to Brazil. Purchase price was $20, shipping was $11 (to get insured shipping, it would be an additional $11). I have a problem with shipping when tracked packages cost just as much (and then some) as the actual value.
It also doesn't matter if the person paid an additional $22 in shipping. Just seems counter-productive. I also don't get what you mean by filling out customs forms and people being lazy. I don't mind filling them out. I was simply saying, the buyers often ask to mark this or that, as something different than what the actual item is.
In the end, albeit ignorance or plain refusal to ship/sell internationally, I don't think I'm being given second thoughts because of what others may think.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 12:04:23 PM
Again, i ment no offense to anyone with the lazy comment, but i HAVE had that reply a few times. "i dont want to fill in the extra paperwork".. I dont see what other than laziness would motivate that response..
As for paying more in shipping for the item than the item itself, yes it sucks, but it would be more fair for the buyer to make that decision for himself. Maybe its the ONLY way he can get the item to begin with, so he is willing to do so. As for falsifying custom forms, simply inform the buyer when he asks, that you will not do so.
I dont understand what you mean by "second thoughts". Please explain if you will.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 03, 2012, 12:21:40 PM
Most of your reasons for it being a hassle can be avoided by simply stating conditions prior to the sale. It isnt a valid reason to refuse these buyers simply saying its just a "hassle", no to me... I have never once had a hassle and ive done over 400 imports of various items, mostly from ebay. Now sure, you don't have to sell to everyone, no one can force you to do that. But at the same time, the reasons given are pretty much laziness about stipulating conditions than actually filling in custom forms or dealing with an issue when something occasionally goes wrong. That and a degree of prejudice.
Demand insured shipping used in the sales condition and most of your so called hassle would be out of the way. It would be the buyer and the freight company's problem then. If people dont accept those conditions, you have all the right in the world to not sell to them, and i would be on your side then. Its that simple.
Ive shipped stuff abroad myself, never once had an issue. And the extra few moments at the post office to fill in the extra information isnt really a hassle to me, it takes like 5 minutes.
Also, there is no extra significant cost for you to ship abroad. the buyer pays all the extra shipping, the insurance and if you get buyers asking you to falsify customs forms just say you wont do it and that problem is out of the world too. Ive asked for things marked as gift now and then, but i always respect if a person is unwilling to do so. I also understand that insured shipping is often costly, and i also understand the risks if i go for uninsured.
Some of you have given some depth to your reasons to deny international buyers, but i was hoping for more rational reasons than "hassle". So keep it coming!
Btw, im not trying to be offensive, so please dont take my talk of laziness as personal attacks. im lazy sometimes too!
When you flat out state what methods you ship by, what you are willing to do and what you wont do, more often then not this was simply ignored by international bidders in my case anyway. I always have a shipping and payment policy listed on my auctions and sales threads. Sadly people want what they want, and they don't care about what they consider to be small details or if they are going to be wasting your time when they decide they don't agree with your payment and shipping policies after the fact. When people flat out ignore your policies, refuse to purchase anything but slow uninsurable shipping, don't pay, force me to open a non-paying bidder claim, relist items, etc, then yeah, its a f*cking hassle and waste of my time.
Who the f*ck are you to accuse people of being lazy, prejudice, or to judge how valuable their time and energy is to them? Have you ever lived in the USA? Have you ever filled out a USPS customs form multiple times. Have you had to spend hundreds of hours at a USPS office? Do you sell more then 1-5 items a month, every month? Do you deal with more then 4-5 customers a month, including all correspondence back and forth related to said sales? Until you do all the above, you don't have room to say shit.
You're coming off like the dickhead living on the other side of the world with no idea how it is on the other side, all naive assumptions and bullshit about other people and their situations, thinking its all cut and dry. Not one f*cking clue how things even work on their side of the world. You don't even know the first thing about them or what they have had to deal with prior, let alone knowing how each of their lives are as is as a individual, but there you sit, all judgmental because you cant get the things you want.
My local USPS stays busy, with long lines most of the day. I don't care to finally get to the clerk, then hold up this line while I deal with a international package when I can pre-pay for everything shipping wise at home and drop them off at the package area and avoid the lines and clerks. And yeah, I don't like filling out customs forms. IT IS A WASTE OF MY TIME when I can sell the exact same item to someone locally for the same amount, and not have to fill out said form or deal with the bullshit at the post office. For me time is money. All my reasons I have listed are legitimate. Hassles being everything I just spoke of, waste my time and damage my handling of over all sales.
No one wants to ship to you anymore, tough shit then. People don't ship internationally anymore, like me, then I'm sure they have their reasons. Its not your place, business, or right even, to question as to why. You seem less concerned anyway with knowing why, and more interested in trying to debate it and inform everyone why in your opinion they are wrong, and no one here cares for that. And if you think its just people in the USA who wont ship internationally, then go hop on over to Yahoo Japan Auctions and see how many people will sell to you without you using a proxy service, or sign up on LDDB, and contact sellers in the UK and elsewhere, and tell them you are located in the USA or elsewhere, and see how many will be willing to sell to you. Odds are you wont find many unless they are a normal shop with some kind of employees working for them, because no matter where in the world, no individual seller wants to deal with any level of bullshit when it can easily be avoided. Just stick to the sellers who are still willing to deal with the bullshit and thank your lucky f*cking stars there are still some willing to do so.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: storino03 on June 03, 2012, 12:28:20 PM
Well said, Prof. :)
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 12:32:47 PM
There is no need for all that agression. I said i ment no offense with lazy. I was simply being objective and i also said im lazy too. So if thats an accusation to you, im just as guilty as im lazy too sometimes. Feel free to correct me, and disagree with me, but at least be civilized about it..
You are actually assuming and making the same accusations you claim i have, and in a very agressive manner. I have not done so, i stated clearly i wanted people to comment their disagreements as well. I dont need my head bit off by some disgruntled overly agressive american who cant read, or read stuff between the lines which actually isnt there.
Im not here to annoy you or anyone else, i was simply trying to get a discussion going. Aparently i failed horribly but i dont need to be punished this harsly in a very abusive way by you for it. You could simply have said all that in a much more civilized way. ESPECIALLY if you felt insulted by what i had to say. Now you are just as big a dickhead as you claim i am. You preach on how i cant judge anything about people in USA, yet you judge me, personally quite freely.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: grimm on June 03, 2012, 12:50:41 PM
I will ask a moderator to remove this thread as it was never my intention to insult anyone. I was simply being blunt about my opinions, and i am aware of more things than ProfessorProfessorson gives me credit for. That said, this just isnt worth responses like his.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 01:21:45 PM
I think "lazy" is probably the best way to sum it up. After the merger of PayPal and eBay and eBay becoming so sophisticated that you never actually have to send or receive actual correspondence from anyone, people started to become more and more reluctant to do anything but single click transactions.
When you are shipping internationally the seller has no idea what shipping is going to cost until someone eventually wins the auction and then he has to take the package to the post office and get a price...but not actually ship the package. Then he has to tell the buyer what its going to cost, then he goes back and ships the package once its paid. An easy way around this is to just quote a huge figure that you know will cover shipping. This serves two functions; it scares away cheap-asses and it makes sure you are covered as the seller. Of course, when you are selling rinky dink bullshit like $1 PC Engine games or Magic cards that doesn’t work so well.
In the early days of eBay, when the only way to contact a seller was via personal email, payment was by check or money order, etc, everything took more time but in these days of instant gratification for buyer and seller, with nobody having any patience whatsoever (WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DIDN'T SHIP FOR THREE DAYS!?!?) and, worst of all, high volume sellers and %90 of eBay being a store rather than an auction house, nobody wants to deal with it anymore.
ProfessorProfessorson sells a lot of stuff on eBay and apparently he gets ass f*cked every week or two doing it so I'm sure his experience is significant genuine and valuable, but it also seems to be absolute worst case scenario. He has f*cking terrible luck. I don’t know if its what he’s selling or what, but his struggle is borderline Dickensian.
There's a word on your forehead,
ProfessorProfessorson, written with tears.
It's a word for loss...
describing someone who wanted
to see paradise from the outside...
and never found his way back.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 03, 2012, 01:24:31 PM
There is no need for all that agression. I said i ment no offense with lazy. I was simply being objective and i also said im lazy too. So if thats an accusation to you, im just as guilty as im lazy too sometimes. Feel free to correct me, and disagree with me, but at least be civilized about it..
You are actually assuming and making the same accusations you claim i have, and in a very agressive manner. I have not done so, i stated clearly i wanted people to comment their disagreements as well. I dont need my head bit off by some disgruntled overly agressive american who cant read, or read stuff between the lines which actually isnt there.
Im not here to annoy you or anyone else, i was simply trying to get a discussion going. Aparently i failed horribly but i dont need to be punished this harsly in a very abusive way by you for it. You could simply have said all that in a much more civilized way. ESPECIALLY if you felt insulted by what i had to say. Now you are just as big a dickhead as you claim i am. You preach on how i cant judge anything about people in USA, yet you judge me, personally quite freely.
You sit there like a dick and accuse people of being lazy and prejudice on a wide scale, and don't think that will come off as a insult, because you by your own words are "lazy". Yeah buddy, it doesn't work like that. The level of laziness you are accusing others of being is a bit different then the one you are labeling yourself with. As far as judging goes, I call it like I see it, you're being a naive brat with no understanding of the world, wanting to know why things cant happen exactly the way they want them to, all because they suddenly want to buy sum moar rarez vidya gamez, ammarite? Without the sudden ravenous urge to spend money and import more and more games, you'd not have even have experienced this epiphany of yours compelling you to bother other sellers on this forum about your sudden real world problems, no?
I'm making no assumptions about anything here, you're the dumb ass that decided to post bullshit, then decided to reply with accusations and more bullshit. Your own words are what we have to go by here. It's impossible to mis-read into your post about laziness, how you feel others stated "hassles" here are not legitimate reasons, and how you think everyone is xenophobic, when in reality, they simply don't care to deal with bull shit. You should simply just shut your mouth now. As I said, its not even your place, business, or right even, to question as to why, or try to debate with or convince them to do otherwise. No one anywhere owes you any kind of explanation at all.
Lots of dumb bullshit all while trying to sound clever and all knowing because I am above it all.....
Once I stopped selling out of the country my problems with sales went down to maybe one or two a month, if that, and those problems are usually due to USPS, not the buyer, except on a rare occasion where I run into a nut job. My worst enemy was never the buyer anyway, most bad deals came from shity sellers who did not deliver as described, etc, most of them as of which are not even on ebay now. I'm not exactly the only person to even have issues like that, regardless of little boy Zeta being f*cking master of power metal assumptions about me, as always. Most either don't state their experiences here, or don't deal much. Jump on over to Digital Press and check the ebay black list thread, and you'll see 24 pages of horror stories from many regular members there. At any rate, as always Zeta, you are full of shit. Thanks for never changing. Always good to know who the most useless sack of shit in a room is at any given moment.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 01:47:13 PM
What did I say that wasn't true?
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: storino03 on June 03, 2012, 02:08:24 PM
and now we have two enemies against one person.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 03, 2012, 02:17:52 PM
Whenever is anything you say not mostly bullshit, mixed in with assumptions about others while maintaining one or two widely known facts? SignOfZeta, the proverbial calling card of some misinformed nobody trying to carry on in a nonchalant manner during a discussion, debate, or argument, all while not having half a f*cking clue about what they are talking about. And what little they do have a clue about is the f*cking obvious.
Typically any debate involving a SignOfZeta post reads out like this:
Quote from: Applesofhope
I'm f*cking sick of of all the dirge Capcom makes anymore, and about the way Ubisofts DRM is f*cking up the buyers pc gaming experience.
Quote from: GaymerL33T
Yeah man, I am sick of it too. Half the time I tried to play Hawx 2 the damn game couldn't connect to their servers so I couldn't play my pc copy of it.
Quote from: BobofBobland
Oh yeah man that Ubisoft DRM crap is horrible. And I mean jesus, Capcom last team based Resident Evil title was just in a dire need of actual excitement being injected into it. It was a total snorefest.
Quote from: SignOfZeta
I dont really know you, or anything about you Applesofhope, but I dont agree with anything you said. I love everything Capcom makes, all their games are great. If you'd like I can discuss them for hours on my podcast. Ubisofts DRM is cool, they are just trying to protect their buyers and their IP. While I don't know ProfessorProfessorson all that well, and he hasn't even posted in this thread, and it has nothing to do with anything, I'm going to toss out a few of my opinions about him too that have nothing to do with anything, or even describe him or his ebay transactions even remotely accurate.
Also, I hate the f*cking US military. They rape murder and plunder everything all the time and stuff. I don't ever go out of my way to help the needy. If they didn't need anything they wouldn't be so needy all the time. I don't approve of them being so needy, or approve of charity, or Christmas, or family values. I will probably die alone. Everyone will miss me and my podcast. In the end I will show'em. And Nat should never have bought that Might and Magic 3. Not my business, but I think he is a moron for doing so. Also, you guys probably didn't know this, but vitamin C prevents scurvy and the sky is totally f*cking blue.
Quote from: BobofBobland
You're a dumbf*ck.
Quote from: SignOfZeta
What did I say that wasn't true? Vitamin C does prevent scurvy.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 02:42:22 PM
You sure bring a lot of baggage with you from post to post, ProfessorProfessorson. I asked a simple question and you typed up all that stuff without even addressing it, let alone answering it. I don't like Christmas? I love DRM? Those are not only hilariously inaccurate statements but they also have nothing to do whatsoever with shipping things on eBay. I do hate war, that much is true.
Since getting f*cked on eBay and being the self appointed protector of all retro-gaming internet transactions, one would think you'd be dying to stay on topic for once. I guess you are more interested in flaming than anything.
To sum it up: Shipping outside of the US is a lot more work than not doing it. This answers the original poster's question. Your explanation says pretty much the same thing, but with a lot more fire and brimstone because you come from circumstances and can't afford your pills right now.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Tatsujin on June 03, 2012, 02:42:51 PM
ohrolf!
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: FiftyQuid on June 03, 2012, 02:54:18 PM
Being in Canada, I don't (can't) refuse international customers without cutting out half of my potential customers. However, I'll only ship to the original 50 States. I refuse to ship to Puerto Rico because of one bad transaction I had with someone there. The thing that usually kills my auctions is shipping. The price of shipping anything within, or outside of Canada is ridiculous.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: storino03 on June 03, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
:P
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on June 03, 2012, 03:01:52 PM
In my experiences on the bay, I still ship overseas but make sure to put an disclaimer in my auctions that state:
The above price for shipping is within the continental United States ONLY! If you are an international buyer please contact us before bidding so I can properly calculate shipping. This for the most part has halted any real issues I've had with selling/shipping to the moon. This allows me to tell them before the auction ends that this will cost $$(Brazilian) dollars extra. Most times they back off then.
You sure bring a lot of baggage with you from post to post, ProfessorProfessorson. I asked a simple question and you typed up all that stuff without even addressing it, let alone answering it. I don't like Christmas? I love DRM? Those are not only hilariously inaccurate statements but they also have nothing to do whatsoever with shipping things on eBay. I do hate war, that much is true.
Since getting f*cked on eBay and being the self appointed protector of all retro-gaming internet transactions, one would think you'd be dying to stay on topic for once. I guess you are more interested in flaming than anything.
The f*ck you talking about!?!?! This cannot be allowed on Helga's watch. (http://www.globaldomainsinternational.eu/Altro/Immagini/Altro/Loghi/Loghi Trasparenti/PNG/Internet Police.png) What a gas.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 03, 2012, 03:44:12 PM
You sure bring a lot of baggage with you from post to post, ProfessorProfessorson. I asked a simple question and you typed up all that stuff without even addressing it, let alone answering it. I don't like Christmas? I love DRM? Those are not only hilariously inaccurate statements but they also have nothing to do whatsoever with shipping things on eBay. I do hate war, that much is true.
Since getting f*cked on eBay and being the self appointed protector of all retro-gaming internet transactions, one would think you'd be dying to stay on topic for once. I guess you are more interested in flaming than anything.
To sum it up: Shipping outside of the US is a lot more work than not doing it. This answers the original poster's question. Your explanation says pretty much the same thing, but with a lot more fire and brimstone because you come from circumstances and can't afford your pills right now.
I did address it, you are full of shit, going on about my current ebay sales, which you know nothing about, nor how well they are going, yet feel the need to state "apparently he gets ass f*cked every week or two doing it so I'm sure". I pointed out as much, that you just talk a bunch of bullshit no matter what the subject of the argument or debate is, and you just drag on and on. Making it more pathetic, you're not even passionate about any given subject, wrong or right, because you clearly have no f*cking heart as it were. You just jump in for the sake of it half the time, making flat statements of bullshit and assumptions and opinions fueled by personal grudges you hold, mixed in with widely known fact, all blended together nicely to become a Zeta cocktail.
Especially on this one, as always you know much of nothing, but feel the need to chime in anyway with your little nose up my butt, then end it with a bit of "oh lets see how clever and poetic I can be on my post concerning Michael" and now you want to bitch about me not staying on topic? You use me and my supposed current sales issues you imagined up that you think I am having every other week to make your argument. You don't have a f*cking clue and shouldn't even be using me to make your case. You want to join in and make a case, then speak about your own legitimate seller experiences then, don't go f*cking making shit up about others on the fly to make a point. Like I said, you are a worthless sack of shit.
And for the record, I went to bat for plenty of people who had issues with sellers on here. I had no problems pointing out bad sellers on here either from my own experiences. I don't anymore because I dont deal with TG/PCE related sellers anymore. I've done more then my fair share to help others resolve problems and to help spread the word about problematic sellers. WTF have you done to contribute to anything Zeta? Oh wait, that's right, there's that one time you waited until way after the fact to podcast about Redfrog, repeating everything I already said prior, passing it off as your own words. Totally useless you are, on all damn counts.
The f*ck you talking about!?!?! This cannot be allowed on Helga's watch.
Cheat on anymore spouses lately? Rip off anyone else lately with some of your kids sandpaper special ebay deals? Better yet, when is your next mental breakdown due so we know when to avoid Fighting Street, lest you decide to post more nearly naked fat harry homo pics from your personal collection. You and Zeta, I swear, almost a day doesn't go by where I'll post on here and you two got your nose up my butt in some manner or another. In your case Shags its even funnier, because you have this thing for white knighting, only to have it backfire on you.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 04:01:52 PM
Damn dude.
Too much red meat, or something...
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Ji-L87 on June 03, 2012, 07:32:25 PM
I haven't had so much trouble with people from the US as I've had trouble with people from UK not wanting to ship to Sweden. Then again, I rarely buy things from the US because of shipping and customs. I won some sweet raffles when I first joined (Sapphire bootleg and Gate of Thunder) and sadly they seem to have gotten lost somewhere. :( So, grimm, I know your pain. Visst suger det :(
Then you must be pretty well off, or really focused on game purchases compared to other expenses.. Even with import related costs i never pay prices asked in sweden, or most of europe, as opposed to US and Japan. Its always a savings even with all costs added in.
Actually, buying used games from UK can be a real bargain. Check out Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/) and take a look at some of the used games. Some of them are practically given away if it weren't for shipping. Fancy some Ridge Racer7 for your PS3? Used games starts at £2.78. Maybe you'd rather like RR V for the PS2 instead? Now we're down to £0.01 It's fantastic! Of course, this only appy to PAL-releases but still.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Firebomber7 on June 03, 2012, 07:59:48 PM
I'm posting here so I can easily come back and read the fallout later.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 03, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 03, 2012, 08:49:05 PM
I haven't had so much trouble with people from the US as I've had trouble with people from UK not wanting to ship to Sweden. Then again, I rarely buy things from the US because of shipping and customs. I won some sweet raffles when I first joined (Sapphire bootleg and Gate of Thunder) and sadly they seem to have gotten lost somewhere. :( So, grimm, I know your pain. Visst suger det :(
Then you must be pretty well off, or really focused on game purchases compared to other expenses.. Even with import related costs i never pay prices asked in sweden, or most of europe, as opposed to US and Japan. Its always a savings even with all costs added in.
Actually, buying used games from UK can be a real bargain. Check out Amazon UK (http://www.amazon.co.uk/) and take a look at some of the used games. Some of them are practically given away if it weren't for shipping. Fancy some Ridge Racer7 for your PS3? Used games starts at £2.78. Maybe you'd rather like RR V for the PS2 instead? Now we're down to £0.01 It's fantastic! Of course, this only appy to PAL-releases but still.
I dont shop pal games for more recent or current consoles from sweden much at all, but go through UK shops mostly. But i was mainly refering to more expensive items, such as collectors items etc. Not plain loose carts etc. The items i look for are often not available at sites like Amazon.co.uk etc. Also, amazon is all about stock pictures and never the actual item, and descriptions by themselves are rarely trustworthy. So its often not a viable alternative. And you still run into people who wont ship abroad, from that site.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 03, 2012, 10:04:47 PM
The f*ck you talking about!?!?! This cannot be allowed on Helga's watch.
Cheat on anymore spouses lately? Rip off anyone else lately with some of your kids sandpaper special ebay deals? Better yet, when is your next mental breakdown due so we know when to avoid Fighting Street, lest you decide to post more nearly naked fat harry homo pics from your personal collection. You and Zeta, I swear, almost a day doesn't go by where I'll post on here and you two got your nose up my butt in some manner or another. In your case Shags its even funnier, because you have this thing for white knighting, only to have it backfire on you.
I quite liked this response actually, it's quite fitting coming from you. A Helga response for a Helga comment.
...... going on about my personal life, which you know nothing about... I pointed out as much, that you just talk a bunch of bullshit no matter what the subject of the argument or debate is, and you just drag on and on. Making it more pathetic, you're not even passionate about any given subject, wrong or right, because you clearly have no f*cking heart as it were. You just jump in for the sake of it half the time, making flat statements of bullshit and assumptions and opinions fueled by personal grudges you hold, mixed in with widely known fact, all blended together nicely to become a Helga cocktail.
I guess if anything you said actually hit the mark I would be insulted, but you contently run back to this fabricated memory of yours from what, 2008, with your unintelligible mouth garbage. At least you are back to doing what you do best...
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 04, 2012, 01:09:38 AM
Oh how easily you managed to forget your own drama and how it played out Josh, tisk tisk. Here is some words taken straight from your wife, masquerading as a friend of you both, who logged in on your id to rain down shit upon your gay little pity party. Thankfully some was quoted before you deleted them:
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there are a few things that were failed to be mentioned in this little pity party like the fact that he is f*ckING another girl for the past few months that he met on the internet. that he hasn't help her with Christmas or anything that the kids need he is trying to make everyone think that he was the victim here but there are a lot of things he had failed to metion like the fact that him and his girlfriend were sending naked pictures back and forth to each other over the internet and that he only works till midnight and i had his kids till 2:30 in the morning it doesn't not take that long to get back and fourth to his work. he also failed to metion that Jennifer had sold her xbox after he confronted her thinking that it might help the situation. so don't let him kid you in to think that it was all her fault. And josh i Can not believe you stooped so low and posted your personal business on the internet. how low can you go i just lost all respect and trust i ever had in you. Ive also kept my mouth shut for all of this but this was a new low for anybody and something had to be said. it sucks that you and jenny couldn't fix shit but don't post shit that isn't anybody else business
Care to travel back in time for a refresher on your big fail? Here we goooooooooo weeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!! (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/Opening-Credits-Gif-doctor-who-27591609-500-279.gif)
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Bernie on June 04, 2012, 01:13:57 AM
WTH?? :shock:
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 04, 2012, 01:23:45 AM
Had to fix the hyperlink on the Tardis. If you care to, take another look, then say WTH with utter shock again. :P
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Arkhan on June 04, 2012, 02:21:17 AM
In my shipping experiences overseas, it went like this:
I sold some sound cards to a guy in Sweden, and he demanded they be shipped first class because shipping in boxes to Sweden was expensive. Yes, lets stick a soundcard in an uninsured, barely padded to fit the first class size, envelope. No insurance, no tracking. I did it. I was too optimistic about the shipping process. Rookie mistake.
That shit arrived more smashed than a 16 year old whore at an underage drinking party. What was he expecting. He told me to stick 3 or 4 cards in an envelope and launch them his way. I tried in vain to pad them. You can't pad 4 PCI/ISA cards very well if you want it to still count as first class.
He demanded a refund.
3 weeks later after PayPal reviewed all the horseshit, which includes the e-mails where he said he didn't care if it was unsafe or unreliable, they told him to go f*ck himself. It still took me 3 weeks to find out if I got to keep my 60$ for the sale or not. That's lame. I wanted to go blow the money on D&D books and shit.
I shipped an Amiga to Brazil. Dude didn't want priority. He wanted parcel. After a bunch of fanagling and dicking around, I ended up shipping priority. It only took about a week of arguing in e-mails for him to understand that shipping an A500 and all of the related accessories any way but the fastest/safest way, was asking for a problem. He finally realized the extra 20$ was probably worth it after I sent him a picture of a smashed C64. I didn't tell him I smashed it with a hammer. He thought it arrived that way due to parcel post. >:] The point is, if it were someone that was domestic, they'd have happily paid priority to ship it, and I wouldn't have had a half-packed Amiga500 sitting on my floor for a week.
I sent two 1541 floppy drives and a C64 power brick to a guy in Britain through eBay. He claims they never arrived, and I ended up getting f*cked and had to refund him.
I found out they did arrive, because I saw that dumb motherf*cker reselling them on eBay using the same pictures I used, about a month later. I flagged the auction, got eBay to reinvestigate the claim. Seeing as I provided the same pictures, and was able to prove they were in MY house, that dude got f*cked. They tore his auction down and de-refunded him. Then I am pretty sure they closed his eBay down. He sent me a death threat. I loled. Even though I won, I still wasted weeks of time, and almost lost a bunch of money. If I had sent it domestically, I would have been safer. Except for the death threat part.
I had a handful of other experiences like these, where the buyer is basically a retard and wants the cheapest "throw my shit in the back of a plane/boat and hope it gets here" method. If it doesn't work out properly, they always cry like a bitch and demand refunds.
There was ONE smart dude. This guy was in f*ckING NORWAY. He wanted my PC-XT. I said "I will only ship this thing domestic. it weighs like 50lbs". He contacted me anyways and this is what he said (more or less).
"I have to have that PC-XT. I will pay you whatever the priority shipping is. I don't care if its 500$. It needs to be insured so it arrives safely."
I couldn't pass that up. It cost him nearly 300$ just to have the shit shipped to him. It arrived safe and sound 3 days after I shipped it, all in one piece. Yay.
The problem is, this guy was obviously obsessed with XTs (theyre scarce in Norway, I guess?). He wanted it THAT bad. 300$ to ship it bad. Not every oversea buyer is like this.
Most of them are cheapass lowballers that can't be f*cked to pay the extra costs for reliable/organized/safe shipping. I almost think they do it on purpose because they know they often win if the phantom package never arrives. You have no way to prove if it did or not.
You have to plan for the dipshits.
What I do now is I only ship things internationally if they fit in a flatrate box. If you don't like the flatrate, you can blow me. Come pick it up yourself.
The only exception to this rule is when I ship out Insanity. If that gets lost or smashed, I have like 50300234 copies left since noone wants the game anyway. :)
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: Father5&JoshUnion on June 04, 2012, 02:55:05 AM
The hell?
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: SuperDeadite on June 04, 2012, 03:34:08 AM
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: FiftyQuid on June 04, 2012, 03:48:38 AM
My experience with Puerto Rico was just as fun. I offered multiple methods of shipping and the buyer ended up chosing the cheapest option. I contacted them and told them that their product would arrive safely, but that shipping by this method sometimes can take 30+ days to be delivered. They didn't care. So I shipped it. 5 days later I get negative feedback from the buyer through eBay. This tarnishes my 100% feedback record.
This was quite a while ago, and I don't think you can leave feedback in the manner any longer, but PHAWK I was mad. I sent a half dozen emails to the buyer calling them everything from roadkill to a used up whore.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on June 04, 2012, 03:53:52 AM
Always a good read. Nothing like bringing up a thread from 4 and a 1/2 years ago. Just curious, have you been in a carbon state since 2008? People from here that know me, know that this was all blown WAY out of proportion, and I truly don't care much for defending/arguing your fabricated version of the past, but.... People from here that know you, know you're a joke Helga. Plain and simple.
I always enjoyed reading this:
Quote from: Helga circa 2008
Personally, I don't want either of you two sad f*cks (Turbo,wife) to send me pms about your bull shit going on. I don't want to be dragged into your nonsense. It was your choices to make your relationship the victim of a petty emotional golden shower so to speak, and honestly, you both need to take this bull shit elsewhere losers. Im not impressed with either of you, and I feel damn sorry for your kids. « Last Edit: December 23, 2008, 11:12:36 AM by PC-ENGINE HELL »
Lets see:
Helga messages wife on myspace saying 'Come see what your husband is saying about you!' Helga doesn't want to be dragged in? Helga says 'take this elsewhere!' Helga isn't impressed.
sigh...... Yes, I went through a divorce. It was started in fall of 2008, and finalized in the summer of 2009. No, I never committed adultery. Any relations that Mike constantly eludes to was after legal seperation. Was it stupid of me to post the thread here? Sure! I apologized, that was what I'd hoped was the end of it. We have a shared custody and shared placement of our children. Anybody here that has met me knows that they mean absolutely everything to me, there is nothing I love more than my kids. I stay up late helping with school projects, I get up early making lunches. PTO meetings, Concerts, field trips, graduations, sleepovers, birthday parties. They are my life. We actually have a healthy situation after the divorce and work together often with decisions on healthcare schooling, and family trips. This is the same old tired topic that you seem to never drop. Grow the f*ck up and move on.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on June 04, 2012, 04:17:49 AM
This is the same old tired topic that you seem to never drop. Grow the f*ck up and move on.
Get your nose out of my ass and maybe I will stop rubbing your fail in your face. Regardless of what you say, your wife's words were that you did indeed cheat on her. You cant really change that. Those were her exact words, not mine. Everything you got you had coming to you as far as I see it. You were cheating, and neglecting your kids, being a selfish dick, blah blah blah. People you meet here at game conventions don't really know you, they just meet up with you for a few hrs once a year. Your wife was the only somewhat credible source for your character. For all anyone really knows you're into scat porn and have a closet stuffed full of RealDolls. Maybe you've changed. Who knows, who cares.
The only real surprise here was that your wife actually logged in here as you. That was a bit of a unexpected surprise. Who could have guessed that old Shags is such a dumb ass knob that he just leaves his log in info on auto pilot for anyone to use. At any rate, you willingly burned me on a transaction, and I burned you back for lulz. You should have known better then to rip me off considering how badly I've screwed with other shity sellers, so yeah Josh, you got to be our private joke for the past few years. Quite a few people here knew about it. We all got a good chuckle over it, and we still do. Can you even begin to guess who all was in on it? Bet you cant lol. All in all, cant say you didn't have it coming. I got no sympathy for cock smoking cheaters and rents who neglect their kids, let alone people who f*ck me on transactions.
Title: Re: More and more people refuse international customers. Why is that?
Post by: grimm on June 04, 2012, 05:15:21 AM
Sick and tired of ProfessorProfessorson the hypocrit thinking its his place to comment on anything, everything and everywhere and denying everyone else the same right. Thread is locked and ProfessorProfessorson blocked. Have fun badmouthing me behind my back now. Ta ta.
Title: What imprudence, you human being! Face your trial by God
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on June 04, 2012, 05:15:29 AM
Well, at least it makes sense that all this stemmed from a burned transaction. It is sort of interesting how this escalated from this:
I had another member here, Quoth09, have the Saturn games resurfaced for me at my expense. If you burned anyone else, who knows. It wasn't for major cash, not worth throwing you to the wolves for at the time.
At any rate, you willingly burned me on a transaction, and I burned you back for lulz. You should have known better then to rip me off considering how badly I've screwed with other shity sellers, so yeah Josh, you got to be our private joke for the past few years..... let alone people who f*ck me on transactions.
I just wasted 5 minutes scouring my PM's here to see if you ever even messaged me about the items. nope, nothing here. So I would guess that this was from eBay, lets see, did you give me negative feedback, or send me a message stating the items were worth more than a mere couple bucks you paid? nope.
How the hell was I supposed to even know you were not satisfied with the crap you bought from me? I've never denied anyone a refund if they're not happy.