Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 06:06:58 AM
SOUTHERN JUSTICE.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 21, 2012, 06:14:35 AM
Thats what I am talking about. You cannot fix that shit. Death is what he needed. More oxygen for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Necromancer on June 21, 2012, 06:32:27 AM
Since he beat him while in the act, it's not surprising the guy wasn't charged. Not that the guy wouldn't deserve it, but it'd be a different story if he'd tracked him down a week later and beat him to death.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 21, 2012, 06:38:05 AM
Since he beat him while in the act, it's not surprising the guy wasn't charged. Not that the guy wouldn't deserve it, but it'd be a different story if he'd tracked him down a week later and beat him to death.
It shouldn't be.. But, you are most likely correct. Altho....it has been known to happen... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117913/ Based on true events.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 06:39:25 AM
Right, I don't know anyone that wouldn't pummel the scum in that situation.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 06:43:46 AM
Since he beat him while in the act, it's not surprising the guy wasn't charged. Not that the guy wouldn't deserve it, but it'd be a different story if he'd tracked him down a week later and beat him to death.
In Texas? Probably not!
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: NightWolve on June 21, 2012, 06:49:49 AM
Well, he still got a criminal record out of it, that sucks, and his daughter's gotta live with whatever happened (article says the rapist's pants was down, doesn't say if he actually penetrated her).
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 21, 2012, 06:55:24 AM
Well, he still got a criminal record out of it, that sucks, and his daughter's gotta live with whatever happened (article says the rapist's pants was down, doesn't say if he actually penetrated her).
He most likely did.. But, even if not, the intent demanded his death and nothing less.
EDIT: Something like this, means you are broken inside. SOmething is wrong in your head, and there is no fixing it. Prison time wouldnt make this man a better person for society.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: vestcoat on June 21, 2012, 07:09:46 AM
Notice that the dad immediately regretted beating the guy to the extent that he killed him (it's possible that his concern for the rapist on the 911 call was forced, but I doubt it.) Justified or not, living with a murder on his conscience for the rest of his life is going to f*cking suck. I'd be hard pressed not to do the same thing in the dad's situation, but I would hope that somebody would run in and stop me.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 21, 2012, 07:19:58 AM
Notice that the dad immediately regretted beating the guy to the extent that he killed him (it's possible that his concern for the rapist on the 911 call was forced, but I doubt it.) Justified or not, living with a murder on his conscience for the rest of his life is going to f*cking suck. I'd be hard pressed not to do the same thing in the dad's situation, but I would hope that somebody would run in and stop me.
This is true as well. Emotion does kinda blind ya and make ya immune to thinking ahead. But, then again, being the situation, it could go either way I would think.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 07:22:23 AM
Or he spares this f*cks life, said f*ck does his time, gets out and rapes a baby. Now that would suck knowing you could have prevented that, while cleaning up the streets at the same time. Dad should be proud he protected his daughter.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: spenoza on June 21, 2012, 07:25:25 AM
I think the man had a right to defend his daughter, but I think it's appropriate that he did have to go through some legal proceedings over the assailant's death. I think no killing is ever truly excused, even when it is deemed justified. I'm fine with him not being indicted, but I'm also glad he was not simply let go off-hand, without even a proper review.
Those who say the assailant was "broken", sure, we know, at present, very little about effective treatment of pedophilia, but jumping straight to death being the only way to deal with such things is quite a leap. There are surely many with those feelings who manage not to act on them, and surely a few who have acted on them who have been, if not mentally, at least behaviorally remediated. And not every abused child is scarred. I heard a great piece on the radio about how telling children they MUST be and certainly are horribly scarred if someone takes advantage of them often does them as much harm as the abuse itself, because it denies them the ability to attempt to control the direction of their life after the abuse.
I don't have an answer for dealing with child sexual abusers. The reason the topic is so contentious is very few people really do have good answers. Those who unilaterally call for death, or locking them up for life, often go too far, as I think those punishments are overused in our society and as such have lost much of their meaning and deterrent effect, and both are also a pretty expensive drain on public funds. But I also don't know what lesser ameliorative options there are. Castration is generally ineffective because the problem is often more about power and obsession than sex. Treatment, thus far, is inadequate to the task, in part because we have so few tools and such poor understanding of the underlying disorders. This isn't helped by the way we socially stigmatize those who have such feelings, even if they are perfectly capable of keeping them in check and not acting upon them. Should we punish folks for thoughts without associated actions? And yet we do, and doing so makes it so much more difficult to find ways to treat or manage the disorder for folks who can't help but act in those impulses.
In a society like America with a justice system that values fairness, protection of rights, and the prevention of cruel and unusual punishment, but which also lacks any real mandate to rehabilitate or remediate, issues like this are incredibly complex.
I understand why so many feel so justified by the father's actions and the man's death, but I also think that the ease with which we accept this as a normal and acceptable response is also troubling. For the father, he gets hit twice. His daughter was sexually abused, but he also killed a man. She's much more likely to have a healthy recovery than he is. Patting him on the back and telling him the attacker deserved to die because he was "broken" isn't going to help the father feel better.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 07:34:00 AM
If the law said that raping a child is punishable only by death, there would be a lot less child rapes. Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on June 21, 2012, 07:38:49 AM
If the law said that raping a child is punishable only by death, there would be a lot less child rapes. Sounds good to me.
agreed.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: spenoza on June 21, 2012, 07:41:52 AM
Wow, your overly-simplistic approach to justice sounds great, gogan! Why didn't I think of that? Screw all this legal crap and let's just punish people based on our gut, emotional response! It might not be fair or just, but it'll make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside!
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on June 21, 2012, 07:45:42 AM
Wow, your overly-simplistic approach to justice sounds great, gogan! Why didn't I think of that? Screw all this legal crap and let's just punish people based on our gut, emotional response! It might not be fair or just, but it'll make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside!
"Go with your gut"? Who said that? If a person is accused and proven guilty of child rape they deserve to go to the chair.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: spenoza on June 21, 2012, 07:50:14 AM
Well, I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, so I'm going to have to disagree. I find that most people who do support the death penalty do so out of a misplaced sense of revenge, or something else pretty strongly emotionally tied. Again, I don't necessarily have a better answer, but I don't think "send them to the chair" does society any good. It removes the offenders from society, but it doesn't help us better understand the underlying disorders. What if studying child rapists instead of killing them helps us find a way to treat them, and even treat individuals with problems BEFORE they go out and harm someone? Curing, a future child rapist, or at least helping them manage their urges, protects a child from rape in addition to preventing another state-run execution.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 21, 2012, 07:51:58 AM
Those who would rather me pay for someone who deserves to hang, for example prison time.... can suck my ass.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 07:52:39 AM
Wow, your overly-simplistic approach to justice sounds great, gogan! Why didn't I think of that? Screw all this legal crap and let's just punish people based on our gut, emotional response! It might not be fair or just, but it'll make us all feel warm and fuzzy inside!
Eh, not quite. Theres no gut feeling here. A child was raped. Fact. Not gut. I'm talking rape. Forcible sex. On a f*cking child. Sorry, you're not wasting away in jail. They are sick f*cks, and it's not fixable. These are the situations I'm talking about.
And by the time it IS fixable, we will be able to tweak the brain so it wouldn't happen in the first place.
I do feel for the father having to live knowing he killed someone, but under the circumstances, he will be able to move on.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: spenoza on June 21, 2012, 07:57:27 AM
Those who would rather me pay for someone who deserves to hang, for example prison time.... can suck my ass.
Every state that has the death penalty pairs the death penalty with lengthy and thorough mandatory appeals processes, because if the state is going to kill someone, they need to be right and just and fair in doing so. In the end, killing someone is no less expensive, really, than life imprisonment. The death penalty does not save money. No savings. Tax payers pay just as much, either way.
Besides, at present, the law does not share your view that child sex abusers ALL deserve to die. In fact, under current law in almost every state, very few deserve death.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: spenoza on June 21, 2012, 07:58:52 AM
Eh, not quite. Theres no gut feeling here. A child was raped. Fact. Not gut. I'm talking rape. Forcible sex. On a f*cking child. Sorry, you're not wasting away in jail. They are sick f*cks, and it's not fixable. These are the situations I'm talking about.
Yeah, that's gut feeling. You're letting your emotions drive your words here and you aren't keeping distance from the topic. The only perspective here IS gut. No data, no analysis, just "this is what I feel right now".
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 08:04:10 AM
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 08:05:20 AM
It's not what I feel. It's what is fact.
If you rape a child, you die. No lengthy trials, No appeals.
Are you really defending the lives of people who rape children here?
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 21, 2012, 08:05:31 AM
Thats too bad.. And also the reason the USA is currently in trouble. Too many bleeding hearts in the f*cking country. I have to worry about my children and wife, and GOD help me if I defend my own and now I am the one thats possibly in the wrong. You are right, it doesnt save money the way we currently execute our trash. It takes way too long, too many appeals. unneeded bullshit. Hey, if there is reason to suspect that the state is wrong, I am all for it. However, in cases such as this, where this is no doubt that the person is guilty.... Trial, death sentence, outside to hang. End of story. I will back out of this topic now, cuz it will surely end up in Fighting Street if I continue. Apparently you have not been in the situation where a family member, child, or close friend was raped or murdered. Now.. with that said.. I have to say, I DO see where you are coming from. I am not blind. If I were to murder someone, in this type of situation, I would have a hard time dealing with it. It is a human life, and I have ended that. Would be hard for me, BUT I would get through it because I know it was justified.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: spenoza on June 21, 2012, 08:08:03 AM
You have a strange definition of fact, one that seems to bear no relation to the meaning of the word fact and what the word represents.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 08:09:00 AM
Well, I'm not a big fan of the death penalty, so I'm going to have to disagree. I find that most people who do support the death penalty do so out of a misplaced sense of revenge, or something else pretty strongly emotionally tied. Again, I don't necessarily have a better answer, but I don't think "send them to the chair" does society any good. It removes the offenders from society, but it doesn't help us better understand the underlying disorders. What if studying child rapists instead of killing them helps us find a way to treat them, and even treat individuals with problems BEFORE they go out and harm someone? Curing, a future child rapist, or at least helping them manage their urges, protects a child from rape in addition to preventing another state-run execution.
Actually I really do think it's pretty extreme for someone to get the death penalty, but If raping a child isn't worthy of a death penalty, then anything outside of mass murder wouldn't be either.
As a parent, I would have to say the only justice for someone raping a kid would be the chair, or at least a death sentence.... serving a few years, then being released back out into the public?... screw that!
I understand the idea of studying them, or looking for signs before the acts happen, but what steps would enforcement have to take to prevent these kinds of actions? Would every person have to be evaluated when they hit puberty? Would parents be held responsible for not teaching their kids to not have sex with little kids?
On the other hand, I think that statutory rape (ex:where an 18 year old gets caught sleeping with a 16 year old) is an entirely separate issue compared to child molestation.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 08:13:25 AM
Thats too bad.. And also the reason the USA is currently in trouble. Too many bleeding hearts in the f*cking country. I have to worry about my children and wife, and GOD help me if I defend my own and now I am the one thats possibly in the wrong. You are right, it doesnt save money the way we currently execute our trash. It takes way too long, too many appeals. unneeded bullshit. Hey, if there is reason to suspect that the state is wrong, I am all for it. However, in cases such as this, where this is no doubt that the person is guilty.... Trial, death sentence, outside to hang. End of story. I will back out of this topic now, cuz it will surely end up in Fighting Street if I continue. Apparently you have not been in the situation where a family member, child, or close friend was raped or murdered. Now.. with that said.. I have to say, I DO see where you are coming from. I am not blind. If I were to murder someone, in this type of situation, I would have a hard time dealing with it. It is a human life, and I have ended that. Would be hard for me, BUT I would get through it because I know it was justified.
I Agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 08:18:42 AM
I know Im coming off kind of extreme here. I'm no sadist, and I do feel bad for the daughter, father, and family of the deceased. But I've heard enough about these predators, it's sickening. There's no reason these people shouldn't be put to death....after the FACT.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 08:28:22 AM
They should just be taken to a prison where they become the rape-bitch.
3 big bubbas seems fair.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 08:37:13 AM
That would work too. But you'd have to many whiners saying it's not fair and just. They deserve a second rape!!..er, um chance. :roll:
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 21, 2012, 09:06:19 AM
This topic should most likely be locked by the original poster. Something like this can quickly lead to heated discussion. Hell, I am just now coming down from a level of pissed off I have not seen in a long time.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Arkhan on June 21, 2012, 09:10:34 AM
Gogan don't lock SHIT.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
Haha, I feel ya Bernie. But alas, the gates will remain open
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: nodtveidt on June 21, 2012, 09:19:27 AM
If I came into my house and saw a man sexually violating one of my daughters, you damn well better believe that I will beat him into oblivion right then and there. There is absolutely no excuse for abusing a child in such a manner. Living with the knowledge that you have taken another person's life isn't easy, and I know because I live with that knowledge every day, but what's done is done and you can't change it once it happens. And honestly, that is a daughter who is going to be loyal to her father for the rest of both of their days.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: vestcoat on June 21, 2012, 09:34:39 AM
Thats too bad.. And also the reason the USA is currently in trouble. Too many bleeding hearts in the f*cking country. I have to worry about my children and wife, and GOD help me if I defend my own and now I am the one thats possibly in the wrong. You are right, it doesnt save money the way we currently execute our trash. It takes way too long, too many appeals. unneeded bullshit. Hey, if there is reason to suspect that the state is wrong, I am all for it. However, in cases such as this, where this is no doubt that the person is guilty.... Trial, death sentence, outside to hang. End of story. I will back out of this topic now, cuz it will surely end up in Fighting Street if I continue. Apparently you have not been in the situation where a family member, child, or close friend was raped or murdered. Now.. with that said.. I have to say, I DO see where you are coming from. I am not blind. If I were to murder someone, in this type of situation, I would have a hard time dealing with it. It is a human life, and I have ended that. Would be hard for me, BUT I would get through it because I know it was justified.
Trials are important because we're rarely 100% certain that we have the right guy. In this case, the rapist was caught in the act, but history is full of executions that were later found to be wrongfully convicted. Anyway, I HAVE had a member of my immediate family that was drugged and date raped and the rapist was never brought to justice. Did I want to find the guy and do terrible things? Yes, but over the last ten years I'm glad I didn't have the opportunity. The world is full of atrocities and monstrous people and there's not a god damn thing I can do about it. The only thing I can control is whether I waste my life retaliating and killing in turn. Sometimes I feel differently (which is why I don't own a gun), but I'm pretty sure this is where I stand. It's an extreme point of view and I respect where others are coming from.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 21, 2012, 09:52:14 AM
Slippery slope for sure, as there are often times ppl wrongly accused of rape. But if you're caught with your pants down, well....
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: RegalSin on June 23, 2012, 04:40:36 PM
The man did not rape his daughter, he probably had his hands on her. It was reported the man feels terrible about the whole thing, and wants to face punishment for it.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Tatsujin on June 23, 2012, 04:51:06 PM
The man did not rape his daughter, he probably had his hands on her. It was reported the man feels terrible about the whole thing, and wants to face punishment for it.
Thank god he intervened before that happened, which would have. And sure, any normal person who takes another persons life will feel bad and be remorseful, I know I would. Doesn't make it any less right.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 25, 2012, 04:10:38 AM
The man did not rape his daughter, he probably had his hands on her. It was reported the man feels terrible about the whole thing, and wants to face punishment for it.
Yeah, cuz that is just soooo much better.....
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: turbokon on June 25, 2012, 06:07:33 AM
I have three daughters of my own. God forbids if that ever happens to me, I would probably do the same thing. Sounds like he didn't mean to kill him, his rage just took control. I'm glad he wasn't indicted.
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: RegalSin on June 25, 2012, 01:30:49 PM
At least one of them is going to have intercourse, and will call rape on it.
Keep in mind, when the law says rape, it means by forcable entry, like battery, for example.
When people say rape, they just mean having sex, where the woman does not enjoy it, and runs crying to her parents, or retarded freind and they filled with hate, decides to call the police.
It is worst when people are underage, because the parents will try and pressure them into making a false statement.
To make things more retarded, when a person have intercourse, the parents might send the victim to a help center. You know those dumb places where they give special hugs. An employee ( aids, nurses, shrinks, gaurds ) most likely will abuse the patients. People are too stupid to handle things, or understandt things but I guess that is how the world works.
You remember the hate riots. One moment people could be sitting down, enjoying breakfast. Then the next thing you know, the hatemongers get up, and start attacking the family members. That is the same way people react, to "rape ( aka all sex, aka any sexual interaction including flirting). The next thing that triggers that, is the religious people, who do not even know what is what.
So to the guy at the time, he was probably filled with ideas, about this person interacting with his daughter. In his mind, he was doing the right thing, but now thinking about it, he realized he made a wrong decision.
Did the person put up a struggle? Was he fleeing?
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Bernie on June 25, 2012, 02:43:57 PM
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The next thing that triggers that, is the religious people, who do not even know what is what.
May I ask what you mean by this?
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: termis on June 25, 2012, 11:48:38 PM
...And it just gets weirder and weirder... 8-[
Title: Re: Father beats daughter's rapist to death
Post by: Gogan on June 26, 2012, 12:24:54 AM
At least one of them is going to have intercourse, and will call rape on it.
Keep in mind, when the law says rape, it means by forcable entry, like battery, for example.
When people say rape, they just mean having sex, where the woman does not enjoy it, and runs crying to her parents, or retarded freind and they filled with hate, decides to call the police.
It is worst when people are underage, because the parents will try and pressure them into making a false statement.
To make things more retarded, when a person have intercourse, the parents might send the victim to a help center. You know those dumb places where they give special hugs. An employee ( aids, nurses, shrinks, gaurds ) most likely will abuse the patients. People are too stupid to handle things, or understandt things but I guess that is how the world works.
You remember the hate riots. One moment people could be sitting down, enjoying breakfast. Then the next thing you know, the hatemongers get up, and start attacking the family members. That is the same way people react, to "rape ( aka all sex, aka any sexual interaction including flirting). The next thing that triggers that, is the religious people, who do not even know what is what.
So to the guy at the time, he was probably filled with ideas, about this person interacting with his daughter. In his mind, he was doing the right thing, but now thinking about it, he realized he made a wrong decision.