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Title: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Amadeusama on June 29, 2012, 01:54:57 AM
I always was curious about the purpose of spine cards. I read the Wikipedia article on them, and I still don't see the point (not with video games, anyway). Having closely examined some of the spine cards I have for my PCE games, I must say that most of them seem pretty redundant. As in: they don't give any useful information that isn't on the inlay anyway.
Did people in Japan ever do something with these? Like, if a buddy of theirs had a CD they wanted too, did they borrow the card, go to the store shoving it under the clerk's nose, and say: "order me this"?
Or what ...?
Because I wonder, if they could have any actual use to me I might be currently oblivious of, and if I should bother going for games with them rather than without them. (I see how they fetch higher prices, and I don't intend to argue that.)
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: DragonmasterDan on June 29, 2012, 02:26:08 AM
They're mostly useful for indexing what's on the disc(s) and being a convenient place to put UPC information without pasting it over the art on the packaging.
Their actual use is that they came with the game/book/movie and that it's incomplete without it.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Ji-L87 on June 29, 2012, 02:40:53 AM
They mostly take up space and tend to get in the way :S But I hold on to those I can for the sake of completion. But really, wanting the case, I can understand. Wanting the manual, I can understand. But those that only want games complete with spinecard, I just don't get.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Tatsujin on June 29, 2012, 02:43:35 AM
1st use: thickness -> if the game/cd/etc. is put in the shelf with its spine watching toward the potential customer. 2nd use: barcode 3rd use: valuable collectors item
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Necromancer on June 29, 2012, 02:46:06 AM
Their actual use is that they came with the game/book/movie and that it's incomplete without it.
They also came with shrinkwrap, so is an item incomplete without that too?
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: termis on June 29, 2012, 02:50:27 AM
It's basically a Japanese version of packaging that includes extra info that's really intended to be thrown out.
Remember when CDs used to be packaged in long cardboard boxes - and on the boxes, it would have random crap advertising splashed across with sayings like "includes new hit songs blah blah... ", which isn't meant to be a permanent part of the information that's on the jewel case. In Turbografx context, it'd be like the carboard box that the most of the Hucards and earlier CDs came in. I mean, 99% of people threw them out (cause they were meant to be thrown out), and only saved the jewel case.
I'm not at all surprised that spine cards is a Japanese thing. They totally dislike unnecessary bulk, but they do LOVE extra details on packaging their crap, hence the spine card - the tiny part of "packaging" that doesn't "unnecessarily" (...subjective, I know...) take up clutter space.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Arkhan on June 29, 2012, 03:04:12 AM
I was told by my friend (who is from Japan, and is there half of the year):
"Spine cards are stupid pieces of paper that people hold onto so they can feel like their copy is better than the exact same copy without a spinecard. They're worthless. Throw them out. Unless you like having dumb slips of paper crammed around every game you own."
I only keep spine cards if they came with the used games I've bought. I sure as shit don't seek out the crap. I think I have like 6 spine cards
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Tatsujin on June 29, 2012, 03:15:38 AM
I think I have like 600 spine cards
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: RegalSin on June 29, 2012, 04:29:12 AM
I think Spine cards, have more or less to do with the Record industry, then the CD industry. However, it also contains alot of useful information, and should be considered a part of the packaging of a product. As somebody mentioned, many Spinecards have information that would clutter the art. As with most Western products, we obviously know this by heart, ( and I am sure get annoyed with seeing "includes free demo, blah blah, with a big bright sticker ) In fact that is what a Spine card does. Instead of sticking crap all over the box, let they did before, you have one thing.
Spine card + booklet + cd + bonus ( stickers, fill out card, advertisment ) = more value.
Without a spinecard the game is not complete, however that should not stop you from making a purchase. I see three kinds of buyers.
1. The person who wants to play, but have a higher valued product. 2. The collector who wants gleem at their aquired unused goods ( person from Kirby 3 ).
Otherwise, the PCE would be a useless hardware, and we could just emulate, and run everything off flashcards. It is like going backwards in time for me, emulating on the computer
I hate more the buying something without a spine card? Something that is sealed. Because I know it has a value far more greater, but then I am stuck gleeming at it all day long. Then what is worst, is when the god damn case is cracked inside the sealed game, or you can hear something inside that is broken, or moving around. :-#
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: KingDrool on June 29, 2012, 05:10:29 AM
1. The person who wants to play, but have a higher valued product. 2. The collector who wants gleem at their aquired unused goods ( person from Kirby 3 ).
Yours is a joke account, right? I mean...seriously...every post contains pure gold.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 29, 2012, 05:53:23 AM
Obi first saw use with vinyl records in Japan. They contain all the needed info about the release in a standardized way so they can be easily found when sitting on a shelf like books. If all music sold in Japan was Japanese this wouldn't make much sense, but most Japanese music is crap so the vast majority of what is purchased is foreign, regardless of it being rock and roll, classical, hiphop, whatever.
The obi is useful in this situation because in order to prepare something like...Never Mind the Bollocks, for JP use all you really need is the obi. The obi can have the title in kana, the catalog number, maybe a short description, without totally redesigning and f*cking up the original art. As racist and self aggrandizing as the Japanese are, they do have respect for foreign stuff. Here in the US we just f*ck up the packaging, even if it was already in English.
A convenient use for the obi: Some bands get really creative with packaging. A good example would be the majority of music put out by the band New Order when they were still on Factory Records. Usually the sleeve wouldn't give you the name of the band or sometimes even the release. You'd just get a catalog number. If you live in Manchester in 1985 and saw a really cool record sleeve with a FAC number on it you'd know it was going to be New Order, or at least something else cool from Factory, but Japan is far away from that scene. How are they supposed to know? The obi fixes all of this.
So that's pretty much the origin. People get creative with designing obi, so sometimes there is special stuff on there, but basically it is only for shops and shoppers so they can actually find/sort the stuff they are buying/selling. It carried over to CD, and to CD shaped games, but for some reason not games in DVD sized cases. It also was used for Laserdisc, but for some reason no Blueray.
A similar thing goes on with back inserts for CDs and games on systems like Saturn, and PS which used CD-type cases. You will usually see the Japanese name for the game on side that originally had the obi, and the romanized version on the opposite spine, even if the game never had an international release. Sometimes the romanized names can be hilarious.
As for what use an obi is to anyone who doesn't own a store...the answer is nothing. They have no purpose whatsoever. There is no reason to keep them at all. Just chuck the things.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: RegalSin on June 29, 2012, 06:28:55 AM
Do not throw away your Obi ..........strips. They will be important for Ben conobi, In terms catolog number, and details, on a manifacturing scale they are important. going to play Linda.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 29, 2012, 09:33:35 AM
They can also be used for advertising space for special promotions, new products, etc, especially on books and manga. I always toss the ones for books and manga because they are ugly, slide around a lot, and block the cover art.
For games they also serve one more secret service: protecting the spine from sunfading!
Check out this extremely faded spine card for this sealed copy of Pomping World. No one wants a game that looks like that.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Colossus1574 on June 29, 2012, 10:20:17 AM
I agree with Zeta, explained very logically sir! In a country where retail space is a luxury, they can't afford to have all the games/album covers facing forward. It would be smart to cram all the necessary info onto the spine.
and Ghost, great example for another use of what the obi/spines could be good for!
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Chuplayer on June 29, 2012, 10:32:02 AM
I don't bellyache over spine cards, but if I do get one, I pop the CD tray out of the case and put the spine card under the CD tray. It helps me keep them organized.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Tatsujin on June 29, 2012, 10:32:05 AM
how much did you just payed for that pompin world?
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Colossus1574 on June 29, 2012, 11:10:31 AM
how much did you just payed for that pompin world?
I think the auction ended for around 300 yen, so with shipping around $5 or $6. Funny because the pricetag on the game says 4500 yen.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: TheClash603 on June 29, 2012, 02:38:34 PM
I didn't even know PCE games had spine cards for the first year I was buying them, none of my games have them. I don't think they serve much purpose for US gamers in 2012, but Zeta is spot on for Japan BITD.
I think they are nice on Laserdiscs though, adds a new layer to the art.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Samurai Ghost on June 29, 2012, 02:56:38 PM
Yeah personally I'd probably just toss them when I got the game, but I know some people are crazy about them, so I just toss it in the manual somewhere in case I ever decide to trade or sell the game.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Tatsujin on June 29, 2012, 07:12:05 PM
Their actual use is that they came with the game/book/movie and that it's incomplete without it.
They also came with shrinkwrap, so is an item incomplete without that too?
Absolutely. They also shipped to retailers along with other copies of the game, so of you have only one copy, it's also incomplete.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Black Tiger on June 30, 2012, 09:19:34 AM
Some Japanese sellers have the logoed boxes that PCE games shipped in for sale. I guess that the most complete a game a game can be is when it's an unopened case of unopened games. Of course, noob collectors will say something silly, like how variations on "complete" is an oxymoron, but they're just jealous because of how pathetic their set collections are.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: PunkicCyborg on June 30, 2012, 02:26:14 PM
What about the box that all the boxes of new games came in?
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: sunteam_paul on June 30, 2012, 09:40:56 PM
No game is complete unless you have all the programmers, musicians and graphic artists locked in a cage in your basement.
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Tatsujin on June 30, 2012, 09:44:24 PM
lol true!
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: TheClash603 on July 01, 2012, 12:12:57 AM
I think Spine cards, have more or less to do with the Record industry, then the CD industry. However, it also contains alot of useful information, and should be considered a part of the packaging of a product. As somebody mentioned, many Spinecards have information that would clutter the art. As with most Western products, we obviously know this by heart, ( and I am sure get annoyed with seeing "includes free demo, blah blah, with a big bright sticker ) In fact that is what a Spine card does. Instead of sticking crap all over the box, let they did before, you have one thing.
Spine card + booklet + cd + bonus ( stickers, fill out card, advertisment ) = more value.
Without a spinecard the game is not complete, however that should not stop you from making a purchase. I see three kinds of buyers.
1. The person who wants to play, but have a higher valued product. 2. The collector who wants gleem at their aquired unused goods ( person from Kirby 3 ).
Otherwise, the PCE would be a useless hardware, and we could just emulate, and run everything off flashcards. It is like going backwards in time for me, emulating on the computer
I hate more the buying something without a spine card? Something that is sealed. Because I know it has a value far more greater, but then I am stuck gleeming at it all day long. Then what is worst, is when the god damn case is cracked inside the sealed game, or you can hear something inside that is broken, or moving around. :-#
You know unlike most of the time I'm going to give you some constructive criticism. Regal I'm sure you're cable of posting comments that can spark debates and give a interesting point of view on a subject. But for christ sake dude your writing is all over the place, honestly it's near impossible to get one sensible though out of the huge comments you post. You should really try to articulate yourself better before posting. I'm sure what ever you're post is great, but as it's written I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. Maybe I'm not the one to tell you this since I got like a B in 9th grade English this year, but just read over you're post out loud and try to slim them down to make you're thoughts clear and concise. Thanks
Title: Re: Original purpose of Spine Cards has me baffled ...
Post by: Otaking on July 02, 2012, 06:37:47 AM
but as it's written I don't know what the f*ck you're talking about.
With Regal's posts you have to look deeper, he knows what he's talking about, there is a message behind the message, then hidden behind the message. It's like how deep does the rabbit hole go? well Regal dug the rabbit hole, and now he's playing Linda with the Architect!
I mean if it wasn't for his posts we wouldn't be aware of Don King taking over the world with donuts in the next millenia!