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Title: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: tpivette on July 04, 2012, 09:27:28 AM
First off I wanna say what I'm about to ask (on a PCE forum) may be borderline blasphemous,... so I'm asking, please dont be to harsh in your responses!!
Anyway, I have Ys Book 1&2 on CD for the Turbo, and recently bought Ys 4 for the PCE. Now I'm looking to complete the set with Ys 3. Of course, I'd prefer to get it for the Turbo CD, however, its kinda costly (ebay prices seem to be around the $50 and I havent had much luck finding it elsewhere for cheaper). I have noticed the SNES version is much much cheaper, even on ebay. So... strictly for playing the game (and maybe eventually picking up the Turbo version when it presents itself), would playing the SNES version in the meantime be totally out of the question (from a Turbo fans point of view)?
Constructive comments, especially differences and pros/cons of each version, are welcome
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Chuplayer on July 04, 2012, 09:54:50 AM
Admittedly, I only played it briefly on my SNES PowerPak for comparison's sake and for the fact that it has issues saving on the flashcart, but I found the SNES version to be ridiculously underwhelming and obnoxiously difficult compared to the Turbo CD version.
$50ish might be a bit much for a 6 hour experience on the Turbo CD, but I thought it was worth it when I bought it last year. It has flaws, but the gameplay's great, the music's awesome, and the voice acting is amazing for its time.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: PunkicCyborg on July 04, 2012, 10:04:07 AM
If you wait you can find it for around $35. And don't bother with the SNES version, you will be very dissapointed with the flat music. The PCE version isn't hard to navigate through. You only have one small town to go to and 2 small shops with only a couple items so it's no biggy.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: NightWolve on July 04, 2012, 12:14:23 PM
There's one day left on this one, $20.50 so far:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/YS-III-Wanderers-from-YS-rare-Turbo-Grafx-16-NEC-CD-disc-/ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/YS-III-Wanderers-from-YS-rare-Turbo-Grafx-16-NEC-CD-disc-/110906930846?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item19d291769e#ht_500wt_972) - (It's from the Gouging thread)
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 04, 2012, 12:32:50 PM
The SNES version has smooth parallax and beefier enemies. No version has much to offer for dialogue or story, so you're better off with the PCE version which you can BIN for <$13 shipped on eBay. Everyone should own the Turbo/PCE version for the soundtrack alone, let alone the opening and intro cinemas. Just skip a fast food meal and buy the PCE version.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: tpivette on July 04, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
I'm watching the above auction... problem is, I think a few guys from the forum are as well. I have a feeling there's gonna be some crazy sniping in the last few seconds of that auction
I would get the PCE version, but if there was an english release of the same game (as in this case), id rather have the version who's dialogue I can understand
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 04, 2012, 01:57:07 PM
I'm watching the above auction... problem is, I think a few guys from the forum are as well. I have a feeling there's gonna be some crazy sniping in the last few seconds of that auction
I would get the PCE version, but if there was an english release of the same game (as in this case), id rather have the version who's dialogue I can understand
You only need to play through it in English once. It's worth buying the SNES version too simply because it's so cheap and you can just flip it for what you paid after anyway. The translations between the English versions aren't consistent either, so you're always only getting a pretty good idea of what was originally intended. The narrated opening of the Turbo version will only confuse you in English, since it makes no sense. :P
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: meka on July 04, 2012, 02:26:43 PM
The SNES version is a lot more difficult, and the sound is a lot better on the PCE
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: kazekirifx on July 04, 2012, 03:13:14 PM
Turbo CD version is a must-own just for the music, but the SNES version is graphically superior. I would take the Genesis version over the SNES since it is also graphically superior to the Turbo CD, and is also more faithful to the original Falcom game.
Turbo CD still wins though. Even with the bumpy parallax, the music trumps all. One of the greatest game soundtracks ever for sure.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 04, 2012, 03:27:44 PM
Its seems like most people(outside the PCE community) prefer the Genesis version. I think it has a more balanced difficulty compared to the SNES version, & IIRC, besides gfx, people talk about the music being better then the SNES version as well, though, I'm no FM fan personally. I don't have the Genesis version, so I can only speak from other's experience.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 04, 2012, 03:59:08 PM
No version has better graphics across the board compared to the others. There are many unique strengths to each version's visuals. The Turbo version has the best color/shading in many places and extra details at times. The Famicom version controls the best to me (using a dogbone pad) and the music is as good as any version most of the time.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: roflmao on July 04, 2012, 04:35:24 PM
The short answer is to get every version. The more Ys the merrier. Ys III on the SNES is still a great game, even if the music and gameplay are better on the TG-CD version. If you can find it cheap, I'd pick it up in a heartbeat. When you eventually find a good deal for the TG version, you'll get to play it all over again with better gameplay, an enhanced soundtrack, and different cut scenes. The background will scroll more chunky, which is unfortunate, but the game still looks great overall.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: vestcoat on July 04, 2012, 05:16:36 PM
I prefer the SNES version. I haven't played it since I got TGCD version, so my memory may be deceptive, but I prefer the graphics and difficulty and the music is good enough, IMO.
15 save slots!
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Tatsujin on July 04, 2012, 05:54:24 PM
Obye rule #253
Never buy an alternate version when there is a PCE version.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: CPTRAVE on July 04, 2012, 06:19:01 PM
That is a good rule :P
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 04, 2012, 06:36:05 PM
Ah, somehow I forgot! You could also buy the PSP/PC version of Ys 3 titled Oath in Felghana. This is my favorite version, truly, a complete remix of Ys 3, it's fantastic IMO.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: storino03 on July 04, 2012, 07:06:21 PM
Just bidded it up! hope i win!
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 04, 2012, 08:33:47 PM
I wrote this article over at Sega-16 which compares all 3 versions:
Side by Side: Ys III (Genesis, SNES, TG-16) (http://www.sega-16.com/2009/12/side-by-side-ys-iii-genesis-snes-tg-16/)
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: tpivette on July 05, 2012, 02:18:07 AM
Hmm... didn't know there was a Genesis version. Interesting!
Looks like I'm just gonna hold out for the Turbo version though. The auction ends today around midnight... who's going to walk away the winner?
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: esteban on July 05, 2012, 03:11:43 AM
I wrote this article over at Sega-16 which compares all 3 versions:
Side by Side: Ys III (Genesis, SNES, TG-16) (http://www.sega-16.com/2009/12/side-by-side-ys-iii-genesis-snes-tg-16/)
I was going to suggest Keranu's Ys III comparison as well, but it has been lost to the fog, apparently.
Anyway, I always encourage people to play different ports/versions of the same game, especially when they are marketed with captivating taglines such as "Dragons & Wizards... OH MY!"
Consider the audience that they were targeting for SNES Ys III. Oh, wait--are you suggesting that the tagline is universally UNAPPEALING and that it fails to capture the hearts of youth and adults alike?
Personally, "Dragons & Wizards... OH MY!" is good for attracting one specific demographic: the folks who sing children's songs.
Back on topic: tpivette, at the very least, I would suggest listening to the music from the different versions. While the Red Book soundtrack for Turbo/PCE is legendary (rightfully earned, of course), I love listening to the SNES and Genesis tunes as well.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: SuperDeadite on July 05, 2012, 03:18:40 AM
With this game, the Sharp X68000 wins for sure. By far the best version overall. Though I keep my PCE copy for the music as well. :)
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: kazekirifx on July 05, 2012, 01:48:58 PM
The short answer is to get every version. The more Ys the merrier.
Yep. That's what I did. I also own the 8bit Famicom version (which is crap), the X68k version, and the original PC-8801 version.
I've probably played through Ys 3 more times than any other game. These days I usually tend to play the X68000 version. Aside from the short length and difficult end boss (which is easy in the Turbo version BTW), I still think Ys 3 is one of the best video games ever made. I am definitely in the minority on this one, but I think they definitely had some good ideas game-format-wise, and it comes close to approaching what I would describe as my perfect game. Falcom continued these good ideas in Popful Mail, which, while also imperfect, also comes so close to my ideal. (If you ever want to see what "Ys III-2" would have looked like, just play the Super Famicom version of Popful Mail.)
Ah, somehow I forgot! You could also buy the PSP/PC version of Ys 3 titled Oath in Felghana. This is my favorite version, truly, a complete remix of Ys 3, it's fantastic IMO.
Yeah. Except it's not Ys 3; it's an entirely new game. Also an excellent must-play of course, but no substitute for the original.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: tpivette on July 05, 2012, 05:20:17 PM
well... got outbid on the Turbo version of this game tonight, as well as 3 other Turbo games that went off in the same time frame. Guess I'm just not willing to pay what the average ebayer dishes out for these titles. oh well... next time maybe
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: roflmao on July 05, 2012, 06:19:05 PM
well... got outbid on the Turbo version of this game tonight, as well as 3 other Turbo games that went off in the same time frame. Guess I'm just not willing to pay what the average ebayer dishes out for these titles. oh well... next time maybe
A lot of those games tonight sold for WAY more than I expected them to. :|
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: storino03 on July 05, 2012, 09:04:35 PM
The Ys III one went for $42 I think. Lost it by a few bucks, but oh well. Didn't really need it that badly.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: TR0N on July 05, 2012, 09:37:54 PM
The Ys III one went for $42 I think. Lost it by a few bucks, but oh well. Didn't really need it that badly.
You're not missing much the english dubbing for Ys III is hilariously bad. Still if you realy want the game try pce version it's usely dirt cheap.Any ways i consider the remake,oath in felghana to be the definite version of Ys III.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 06, 2012, 07:39:02 AM
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Yep. That's what I did. I also own the 8bit Famicom version (which is crap), the X68k version, and the original PC-8801 version.
I picked up every version of Wanderers of Ys, but don't have much interest in the 3D hack 'n slash Ys games.
What don't you like about the Famicom version? It holds up amazing well next to the rest.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 06, 2012, 07:51:18 AM
Go for the cheap SNES version and pick up the import PCE. That way you can play the game in english, and also experience the turbo version.
I personally think the music is the best in the PCE/turbo version, but the grafx are best on the SNES.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: storino03 on July 06, 2012, 10:40:53 AM
Yeah, it was nice how there was more voice acting in III than I and II, but I agree. The quality of the voice acting (actors) weren't very good.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 06, 2012, 11:12:43 AM
Yeah, it was nice how there was more voice acting in III than I and II, but I agree. The quality of the voice acting (actors) weren't very good.
I think that there is only proportionately more voice acting in III compared to content. The speech is less frequent in I & II because the game is several times longer, but there is a lot of it. IV has the most by far.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 06, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
Too bad I can't understand any of it in IV, so the voice acting there is pretty much useless to me.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 06, 2012, 02:38:12 PM
The short answer is to get every version. The more Ys the merrier.
Yep. That's what I did. I also own the 8bit Famicom version (which is crap), the X68k version, and the original PC-8801 version.
I've probably played through Ys 3 more times than any other game. These days I usually tend to play the X68000 version. Aside from the short length and difficult end boss (which is easy in the Turbo version BTW), I still think Ys 3 is one of the best video games ever made. I am definitely in the minority on this one, but I think they definitely had some good ideas game-format-wise, and it comes close to approaching what I would describe as my perfect game. Falcom continued these good ideas in Popful Mail, which, while also imperfect, also comes so close to my ideal. (If you ever want to see what "Ys III-2" would have looked like, just play the Super Famicom version of Popful Mail.)
Ah, somehow I forgot! You could also buy the PSP/PC version of Ys 3 titled Oath in Felghana. This is my favorite version, truly, a complete remix of Ys 3, it's fantastic IMO.
Yeah. Except it's not Ys 3; it's an entirely new game. Also an excellent must-play of course, but no substitute for the original.
I disagree. To me, it's the same game with the same levels, but now it's overhead rather then sidescrolling. The levels themselves are greatly expanded upon, as is the story. Infact, one of my gripes with Wanderer's, is that it doesn't really connect to the rest of the series, aside from Adol & Dogi being in it.
Spoilers????
In Oath in Felghana, the story connects it more to the Romun Empire with it being a province or state of the Romun, connecting it to Ys 4 & 6. You got Emelas & the influence of the Eldeen(though I don't think Genos is Eldeenian), connecting it to Ys Origin, 1, 2, & 6. You got Galbalan connecting it to Ys 6(though I suppose Wanderer's has that as well). There's probably a few other connections I'm forgetting. We really need a good Wiki on the Ys series!
Anyways, the only thing to me that's truly different, is the overhead view & the combo attack's. Everything else feels like "home" to me, but with just more of it.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: RegalSin on July 06, 2012, 03:33:52 PM
The turbo version??????? Look, uhm the PCE version is the best out of all versions, however each game system has their own taste, including the Mega Drive. I own a PCE, so duh I am going to say the PCE version. I couldn't even bare to play the SNES game anymore after the PCE, and the MD has that 1980's overtone to it.
blah blah blah remakes, are for the children, the youth, who thinks like oh wow, pi system cool resolution, and all of that rubbish. I am using a real 20" television screen, with what the 1990's had to offer for a regular consumers. The hell, I need that stuff, the same could be said to all of the pre-rendered art of the late generation games before they switched to 2d.
Somehow RPG and Halloween are just ways to sneak in DAD and Midevil undertones. Especially nowadays, and the fact, that some in game characters are designed to replicate 1980's puppets, and stop motion characters.
What makes me displeasing about the SNES game, is the wolf attack scene, but that is made up for the art of the fourtune teller. It is like in Slayers, try where the statue of the badguy from the first film started to dance around.
Y's 3 was sappose to be last game, in the series ( even after Y's 4 PCE, Y's 4, and Y's 5, etc and that is it's purpose. Lets go back to Dogi's stomping grounds meet his ole gal, and save some villagers.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 06, 2012, 04:47:16 PM
The turbo version??????? Look, uhm the PCE version is the best out of all versions
I'd rather play the Turbo version than the PCE version. I'd like to at least be able to read the text, ya know. The Japanese language does nothing for me. I don't get off on it. It doesn't make me feel cooler than my friends. So yeah, the Turbo version.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 07, 2012, 05:56:31 AM
Too bad I can't understand any of it in IV, so the voice acting there is pretty much useless to me.
That is too bad for you, but thankfully there is a version coming in Earth language.
Ys III in English is a mixed bag of minor useful directions and random confusing garbage. Before you get to control Adol for a second, you learn that Ys is actually a science fiction series and Adol is some kind of Doctor Who immortal body swapping character, who has been planet hopping throughout time battling alien Godzilla monsters and actually plays dumb throughout the entire game, even though he and Demanicus go back hundreds of years or more. It also makes absolutely no sense, that when Demanicus was at full strength and size, that Adol could slay him without Demancus even touching him, yet at the end of the game, you barely manage to survive fighting a micro Demanicus torso.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Keranu on July 07, 2012, 06:13:56 AM
I was going to suggest Keranu's Ys III comparison as well, but it has been lost to the fog, apparently.
I know, LaZer Dorks has been down for the past couple years :( ! I really should bring it back up.
In the mean time, here's my Ys III comparison on archive.org (http://web.archive.org/web/20100328045555/http://www.lazerdorks.org/stunningarticles/ysiiiduel/index.html) .
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Dyna138 on July 07, 2012, 04:05:37 PM
Yeah, it was nice how there was more voice acting in III than I and II, but I agree. The quality of the voice acting (actors) weren't very good.
I think that there is only proportionately more voice acting in III compared to content. The speech is less frequent in I & II because the game is several times longer, but there is a lot of it. IV has the most by far.
Agreed. Everything is relative to the length of the game proper.
Has anyone written up an intensive Zelda II vs. Ys III article?
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 08, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
Yeah, it was nice how there was more voice acting in III than I and II, but I agree. The quality of the voice acting (actors) weren't very good.
I think that there is only proportionately more voice acting in III compared to content. The speech is less frequent in I & II because the game is several times longer, but there is a lot of it. IV has the most by far.
Agreed. Everything is relative to the length of the game proper.
Has anyone written up an intensive Zelda II vs. Ys III article?
Ys III>Zelda II overall, but broken down it wins for music, art, style, atmosphere, gameplay, fun, replayability, graphics, saving/transfering, etc. I can't think of one way that Zelda II is better, other than ability to run on an NES, but Ys III Famicom still crushes it.
There's not much material for an intensive comparison since it's pretty one-sided.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: kazekirifx on July 09, 2012, 02:12:03 PM
I never much cared for Zelda II. There isn't really any sidescrolling action RPG which compares well to Ys 3 in my opinion.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: NightWolve on July 13, 2012, 08:38:14 PM
Too bad I can't understand any of it in IV, so the voice acting there is pretty much useless to me.
No worries, BurntLasagna says the dubbing work is coming along nicely, a majority of the actors have sent in all of their lines, and all the minor technical problems have been solved, so it's going to happen for sure this time!
Once again, it's always a pleasure getting a snapshot of RegalSin's thoughts on things. ;)
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: storino03 on July 13, 2012, 09:47:12 PM
Just completed Ys Oath in Felghana on the PSP. Good game overall. Followed, at least, the Turbo Grafx CD version almost exactly, with expanded story/background information. Funny, I bought it sealed when it first came out in 2010, and never got around to playing it until now. :P
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Chuplayer on July 14, 2012, 03:10:48 AM
Just completed Ys Oath in Felghana on the PSP. Good game overall. Followed, at least, the Turbo Grafx CD version almost exactly, with expanded story/background information. Funny, I bought it sealed when it first came out in 2010, and never got around to playing it until now. :P
It was my favorite game of the year that year. I couldn't believe how good it was.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 14, 2012, 12:17:14 PM
Just completed Ys Oath in Felghana on the PSP. Good game overall. Followed, at least, the Turbo Grafx CD version almost exactly, with expanded story/background information. Funny, I bought it sealed when it first came out in 2010, and never got around to playing it until now. :P
It was my favorite game of the year that year. I couldn't believe how good it was.
I concur! Well, that & Ys Seven, of which I want to play thru again, but I have a ridiculous backlog I'm trying to catch up on!
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: storino03 on July 14, 2012, 12:26:15 PM
Yeah, Ys Seven was much better imo. Downloading Ys Chronicles 1 and 2 to see how it holds up to the TG16 version. I have the psp version sealed.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Chuplayer on July 14, 2012, 03:06:14 PM
Just completed Ys Oath in Felghana on the PSP. Good game overall. Followed, at least, the Turbo Grafx CD version almost exactly, with expanded story/background information. Funny, I bought it sealed when it first came out in 2010, and never got around to playing it until now. :P
It was my favorite game of the year that year. I couldn't believe how good it was.
I concur! Well, that & Ys Seven, of which I want to play thru again, but I have a ridiculous backlog I'm trying to catch up on!
I didn't play Ys Seven until the next year. I'm not sure where it would have fallen in my favorites of 2010, but I don't need to worry about it because I didn't play it in 2010 :P
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: tpivette on July 14, 2012, 03:28:37 PM
How many Ys games are out for the PSP? I've been contemplating picking one up for the Final Fantasy games, but if theyre are several Ys releases as well, then that solidifies the deal!
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: Chuplayer on July 14, 2012, 05:33:48 PM
How many Ys games are out for the PSP? I've been contemplating picking one up for the Final Fantasy games, but if theyre are several Ys releases as well, then that solidifies the deal!
Four US-released games. Ys I&II Ys: Oath in Felghana Ys: Ark of Napishtim (released in 2006 or so by Konami, horrible port, play off of a memory stick if you must play it, PS2 version highly recommended) Ys Seven
All except Ark were developed by Falcom and released in the US by Xseed. It might also be worth noting that Ys I&II could possibly benefit from being played off of a memory stick. It has some performance issues when played off of the UMD, but the effects aren't intrusive and game breaking at all like they were on the Ark port. I only played the UMD version once and have not tried playing it off of my memory stick yet to verify the performance increase myself.
If you must play Ark on the PSP, use CFW and rip the UMD to the memory stick. You'll be glad you did.
Title: Re: Ys III for SNES... comparable to Turbo version?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 14, 2012, 06:25:50 PM
It'd be nice if Konami would put Ark up on PSN for a cheap price. I beat it on PS2, but wouldn't mind playing thru it on PSP. The load times are supposed to be better on the PSP's 2000 & 3000, but still, it'd be nice to have it digital regardless.