Eurgh. reading that is making me sick. It's so upsetting. Why would anyone do such a thing?
Body armor, gas mask, tear gas...indiscriminate shooting at children (one infant, even) and adults.
This alone is disturbing, but the fact that he timed his assault with a particular moment in the film (reports vary) make it seem as if there was a twisted, sick logic to the gunman's carnage.
This tragedy played out like a grotesque statement on the hyper-violent pop culture we consume.
The horror is not that there are sick people who do sick things.
The horror, for me, is how the assault mirrors the games, films and music we love.
The horror, for me, is how familiar it is.
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Post by: soop on July 20, 2012, 01:02:18 AM
I don't understand (not having watched this film, but having watched many in the same vein) how someone can take away the violence, but not the heroism. For me it's the opposite. If I ever have kids, I'll insist on them reading comics, I learned some great morals from comics. At least I think that's what I attribute it to. Maybe it's innate?
But yeah, I maintain it's not the fault of the media we consume. There have always been violent psychopaths, but an unfortunate combination of access to hugely efficient killing machines and the fact that news travels so fast and wide mean not only do we get massively more destructive acts, but it also seems like it happens more frequently than it used to.
I f*cking hate the NRA for lobbying against gun control in America. Why does this shit never happen to them?
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 20, 2012, 01:14:46 AM
I f*cking hate the NRA for lobbying against gun control in America. Why does this shit never happen to them?
Gun Control wouldn't have helped a situation like this. Would you have been happier if the person made a Tim McVeigh like bomb and smuggled it it with his teargas? The problem here is the person who did this, not the constitutional right to bear arms. It's quite cliched to say it, but if guns are outlawed, then only outlaws have guns.
Added in edit: My basic point is this. Crazy people who are intent on harming others have a variety of ways to do it. Restricting our freedoms because other people might abuse them sets a poor precedent for a free society.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: soop on July 20, 2012, 01:25:43 AM
I can't think of a situation that gun control would help more. Yeah there are shootings in England, but they're really rare because guns are not easy to get hold of, they're expensive, and owning one, except in specific circumstances, will get you arrested and thrown in jail. That means the kind of people that are going to use a gun for bad reasons need a very good excuse to use one ratehr than "oh I think I'm going to go a bit postal today, let's pop down to Wal Mart and buy a f*cking assault rifle"
I can't think of any situation based in reality where a civilian would need an assault rifle. It's madness. (and btw, I don't know what guns that guy had other than a shotgun, the assault rifle thing is more of an aside).
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: DragonmasterDan on July 20, 2012, 01:37:47 AM
I can't think of a situation that gun control would help more. Yeah there are shootings in England, but they're really rare because guns are not easy to get hold of, they're expensive, and owning one, except in specific circumstances, will get you arrested and thrown in jail. That means the kind of people that are going to use a gun for bad reasons need a very good excuse to use one ratehr than "oh I think I'm going to go a bit postal today, let's pop down to Wal Mart and buy a f*cking assault rifle"
I can't think of any situation based in reality where a civilian would need an assault rifle. It's madness. (and btw, I don't know what guns that guy had other than a shotgun, the assault rifle thing is more of an aside).
Without turning this into a drawn out debate I'll just make a few quick points.
First off the term assault rifle is just a weasel word trying to brand a particular type of rifle which can be used for hunting, target shooting or any other purpose as being "for assault". This isn't a term that was in common use until lawmakers started submitting proposals to legislate firearms and needed to come up with terminology to sell the public on taking away their rights. By calling particular types of firearms "Assault Weapons" it made it easier to sell to John Q Public.
If we started calling certain types of cutlery assault knives, I wouldn't want to ban those either because there are legitimate uses for them.
People collect guns, people hunt, people target practice with them. Calling a gun an "assault rifle" is merely a label.
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Post by: Tatsujin on July 20, 2012, 01:43:29 AM
Such a sad thing :(
Condolences to all the families and relatives.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: soop on July 20, 2012, 02:53:51 AM
Dan, an assault rifle is a legitimate category of weaponry, and it is designed for killing as many people as possible in a short a time as possible, and as such, I don't see any need for them outside of warfare. I understand that there are legitimate purposes for firearms, but you do NOT need an AK-47 for any of them. So as far as "taking away our rights", I don't think that any human being has the right to arbitrarily wield such personal power. Remember, the constitution and the right to bare arms could have little idea of a weapon that could fire 600 rounds a minute and shoot through sheet steel.
I personally agree with the fact that it can be a rewarding and skilled passtime, and I also agree that they can be used for hunting, pest control etc. But there's no need for people to be armed all the time, and there's no way it should be so easy to attain a weapon.
As for "assault cutlery", knives are designed for specific purposes, and while you could explain away a chefs knife to a policeman (over here, you're not allowed to publicly carry a blade over 3" long unless you're transporting it from one place to another), but a katana or some such would be taken pretty damn seriously.
I just want to add, I know you're a cool guy Dan, and it's clear we have different views, but nothing in my post is intended to belittle you or your beliefs - but I suspect I feel as strongly about my views as you do yours, and hopefully that's what comes across.
It's bad enough that you can't get in a decent fight anymore without worrying about some little shit bumping into you again with 10 of his mates, and a guy I knew got stabbed in the heart many years ago for trying to break up a fight. But when people start carrying guns around for kicks, that's the day I get the f*ck out of dodge.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Sadler on July 20, 2012, 03:03:13 AM
Absolutely horrible. :(
soop, as someone who has lived in Colorado most of his life, owns similar style fire arms and supports the NRA, I'd like to politely request you don't wish death upon me.
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Post by: tggodfrey on July 20, 2012, 03:06:09 AM
Its not just colorado.....Here in Plainfield Dan, some guy opened fire in a burger king.....The world os going to shit fast!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: majors on July 20, 2012, 03:15:11 AM
It's all because of the lack of enough Turbo for everyone in the world.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Arkhan on July 20, 2012, 03:23:13 AM
Time to install beepy-things at the movie theatre.
If I were one of the swat guys, I probably would have shot the guy on the scene.
Right in the dick.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Necromancer on July 20, 2012, 03:26:55 AM
The guy's a nutter, plain and simple. My question is why in the hell would anyone take a three month old to a midnight showing?
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Arkhan on July 20, 2012, 03:34:33 AM
The guy's a nutter, plain and simple. My question is why in the hell would anyone take a three month old to a midnight showing?
I see it all the time around here!
If you saw the parents, you'd have an answer.
They look a little.... special.
Mid-20s-ish trashy slobs who probably accidentally'd the kid while drunk and have no clue what they are doing as far as parenting.
"ITS A DARK THEATRE. THE BABY CAN SLEEP! DURHDRUHDRPDRUHDRP!"
Poor kids with retarded parents.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: soop on July 20, 2012, 03:46:13 AM
Oh Sadler, I don't wish death on anyone, but I do happen to think the NRA as an organisation are evil. Thank god there's not an organisation to place sharp points at eye-height.
I think most people are inherently good (apart from the scumbag in question), and once you get past the fact that you disagree on fundemental principles, be it religion, firearms, or favorite console, it's pretty much irrelevant. The problem comes from when so many people sign up for something for WHATEVER reason, it gives the people in charge power to do what the f*ck they like.
Like scientologists for instance: Everyone's like "lol, you believe in prehistoric spacemen" or whatnot, but when you hear the horror stories, it becomes clear that however harmless most of them are, they give power to some shady f*cking corporation. Same with oil companies, pharmecuticals, Catholocism, Microsoft and the NRA. However innocent the individuals, the whole has some scary-ass power to lobby government, profit from misery, and generally trample on the small guy in the name of profit and heavenly glory.
so yeah, I think guns are cool, and I think target practice is awesome, and if you offered to take me to a shooting range, I'd bite your hand off. But however cool they are, I'd never want to own one (unless something really goes to shit). With great power comes great responsibility, and the power to take a life just by squeezing an index finger is something I don't want me or anyone near me to have. I don't even think the police force (UK) in general are responsible enough to carry tasers. Scares the shit out of me when I see them with automatic weapons.
tl;dr, you're cool Sadler ;)
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Sadler on July 20, 2012, 03:51:57 AM
Fair enough soop. :) I appreciate the clarification.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: TheClash603 on July 20, 2012, 04:05:13 AM
Pretty f*cked scenario here. Though, I would guess a large portion of the posters on this site will see Batman, and I doubt any of us get crazy and kill people. If you have a person with a screw loose, they will do crazy stuff.
Regarding guns, if there weren't already millions of them in peoples hands and we could start all over again, I would say ban them. They are awful for the most part. However, since everyone has a gun now, I would argue that they have become necessity.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on July 20, 2012, 04:13:21 AM
Why so serious?
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: RegalSin on July 20, 2012, 04:24:23 AM
It is because, after every Batman movie, release after Batman & Robin a fan just had to snap. I am not suprised the very least bit, I am also sick of the logo, icon, and the new jokers, and Harley, and everything. Why can't they just continue batman, series from FOX5, or Beyond WB. No more Justice Leauge crap.
Anyways, I do not blame gun laws, and it would be intresting to hear the gunmans story. I heard he had bombs, as well.
This also proves that Batman can't be in more places then one.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Arkhan on July 20, 2012, 04:24:38 AM
It is because, after every Batman movie, release after Batman & Robin a fan just had to snap. I am not suprised the very least bit, I am also sick of the logo, icon, and the new jokers, and Harley, and everything. Why can't they just continue batman, series from FOX5, or Beyond WB. No more Justice Leauge crap.
Anyways, I do not blame gun laws, and it would be intresting to hear the gunmans story. I heard he had bombs, as well.
This also proves that Batman can't be in more places then one.
Well as long as you're posting, I assume it wasn't you. This time.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: FiftyQuid on July 20, 2012, 04:53:33 AM
The guy's a nutter, plain and simple. My question is why in the hell would anyone take a three month old to a midnight showing?
This was the very first thing I thought too. My daughter woke up every hour on the hour from the day she was born until she was 8 months old. My wife and I were so sleep deprived the smallest little thing had us arguing and yelling at each other. The fact that they were there at midnight to watch a movie seems like a luxury and any normal parent would take advantage of that time to SLEEP!!!
The shooter seems like a complete whack job. There's no logic behind any of this. It's worrying as a parent, as a person, that this kind of planned bullshit is inside anyone's head.
Please tell me they shot this James Holmes guy in the head. From what I read it seems like they arrested him.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Arkhan on July 20, 2012, 05:01:06 AM
Arresting him is the smart thing to do.
Find out what the f*ck he was thinking. See if hes got any other jackasses on Team AntiBatman.
and THEN, send him to prison.
Where Big T can shoot him in the ass repeatedly.
And it won't be with bullets.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: soop on July 20, 2012, 05:07:22 AM
The thing that struck me, is the footage on the BBC keeps referring to him as the "suspect". I would have thought it was quite obvious that he was actually the "perpetrator" or whatever the f*ck they call it these days at this point. Or you know, the point that it was the guy with the firing the guns.
Apparantly they're saying now his apartment is filled with booby traps and explosives.
*edit* Ok, US gun laws to be rediscussed, NYPD to be present at all screenings in all 5 boroughs (I think that's what I heard)
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Post by: storino03 on July 20, 2012, 05:18:53 AM
$10 says he played some "insert violent video game" for hours on end! the madness!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: esteban on July 20, 2012, 05:19:18 AM
The guy's a nutter, plain and simple. My question is why in the hell would anyone take a three month old to a midnight showing?
I see it all the time around here!
If you saw the parents, you'd have an answer.
They look a little.... special.
Mid-20s-ish trashy slobs who probably accidentally'd the kid while drunk and have no clue what they are doing as far as parenting.
"ITS A DARK THEATRE. THE BABY CAN SLEEP! DURHDRUHDRPDRUHDRP!"
Poor kids with retarded parents.
The father with the baby is worse then the shooter in my eyes. 1 who brings a baby to a movie theater to ruin it for everyone else also 2 when the shooting started he drops his baby boy and jumps the balcony runs to safty as his gf and 4 year old daughter and baby son is still inside. 3 He tells ABC news his family is still inside the theater. POLICE YOU HAVE EVERYONES PERMISSION TO BEAT THIS DAD STUPID. If the gf was smart she would ditch him now cause that's one guy that's gonna leave his family when the Zombies come.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Necromancer on July 20, 2012, 10:18:14 AM
The father with the baby is worse then the shooter in my eyes.
Being an inconsiderate, selfish ass is worse than being a mass murderer?
Yes he is to a point in my eyes, As a father you should be willing to die for your family. Instead he drops his baby and high tails it out of there. Not supportng killing people but as a father of 2 girls I could never leave them behind in that kind of situation.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: vestcoat on July 20, 2012, 10:52:13 AM
The guy's a nutter, plain and simple. My question is why in the hell would anyone take a three month old to a midnight showing?
I see it all the time around here!
If you saw the parents, you'd have an answer.
They look a little.... special.
Mid-20s-ish trashy slobs who probably accidentally'd the kid while drunk and have no clue what they are doing as far as parenting.
"ITS A DARK THEATRE. THE BABY CAN SLEEP! DURHDRUHDRPDRUHDRP!"
Poor kids with retarded parents.
The father with the baby is worse then the shooter in my eyes. 1 who brings a baby to a movie theater to ruin it for everyone else also 2 when the shooting started he drops his baby boy and jumps the balcony runs to safty as his gf and 4 year old daughter and baby son is still inside. 3 He tells ABC news his family is still inside the theater. POLICE YOU HAVE EVERYONES PERMISSION TO BEAT THIS DAD STUPID. If the gf was smart she would ditch him now cause that's one guy that's gonna leave his family when the Zombies come.
That reminded me of that Seinfeld episode, where George is at a birthday party and smells smoke in the kitchen, and then yells "Fire!" while running out of the apartment plowing people over LOL. He said he wanted to make sure the exit path was safe
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on July 20, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
A lot of people bring their babies to late night movies because it's hard to get out when you have a newborn and you can get them to sleep the whole time. I would never do it but just sayin...
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Tatsujin on July 20, 2012, 06:01:34 PM
Dumbest yankee shit you could ever do, lol.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 21, 2012, 03:21:26 AM
This is a sad situation and my condolences go out to the families of this tragedy. Its just a matter of time before Romney and Obama start talking about gun control and use this event to make it yet another political issue. Sheesh, what times we are living in.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 21, 2012, 03:45:14 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/police-detonate-explosives-colorado-suspects-home-074249147.html "Kromka, 19, said he knew Holmes to sometimes play video games in the lab when he was supposed to be working and said he seemed to be influenced by movies and the media." That was fast.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Tatsujin on July 21, 2012, 04:10:17 AM
so cheap.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 21, 2012, 04:23:29 AM
Time to install beepy-things at the movie theatre.
If I were one of the swat guys, I probably would have shot the guy on the scene.
Right in the dick.
Wouldn't have helped. He bought a ticket and sat with the audience. After the movie started, he went out the emergency exit, propped the door open and got on his gear and grabbed his weapons from his car. His gear included a groin protector.
I helped with the some of the audio/visual aspects of construction of this theater back in '98. I have many pictures of the interior after it opened as well. I fail to understand why the news agencies aren't beating down my door for an interview. They were talking to some guy who was there a week before. Big deal!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Tatsujin on July 21, 2012, 04:38:00 AM
sure, been there last week [x----------l-----------] been there in forgotten '98.
= BIG DEAL.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: storino03 on July 21, 2012, 09:01:12 AM
I agree. It's not like if there's a shooting at a local mall, they are going to interview the people who designed/built the place 20 years ago.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 21, 2012, 11:06:18 AM
You guys ENTIRELY missed my point. Did I really make it that complex for you? Well why would they want to talk to some random guy who was there a week ago when they could talk to the employees who are there every day? What are they going to learn from the guy who was there a week ago? "Uh... there were no bullets flying around when I went".
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: vestcoat on July 21, 2012, 12:24:07 PM
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: HercTNT on July 21, 2012, 04:05:19 PM
None of you lost some one today, did you? if you did, my condolences, if you did not, shut the hell up, you have no idea what its like. your not fooling anyone, by defending your opinions while others are sufffering.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on July 21, 2012, 04:26:49 PM
This stuff gets sensationalized so much anymore in the media to where now its just old hat. There is no shock and awe in any of this. The majority feed off the bullshit like any other reality tv program on tv. People don't know how to unplug themselves from the bullshit, they stay addicted, waiting for every new news clip and sound bite, every new half assed yahoo news article. Anymore its like once or twice a year you really just expect this to happen anymore. People call these spree killing events, mother killing kid events, etc all tragic, but the real tragedy is how the majority of the population waits with baited breath for the next event to occur. Rinse and repeat.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: vestcoat on July 21, 2012, 04:31:23 PM
None of you lost some one today, did you? if you did, my condolences, if you did not, shut the hell up, you have no idea what its like. your not fooling anyone, by defending your opinions while others are sufffering.
I've never been a fan of the "so-and-so-doesn't-exhibit-the-right-amount-of-empathy-so-I'm-going-to-condemn-them" card.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: HercTNT on July 21, 2012, 04:46:38 PM
that fine. its a free country. if you know how they feel then great. if you don't the stfu. its funny how people use situations like this to defend thier rights. you don't need to defend your rights. no one has taken them away. let it be what it is. some crazy a$$hole used this opportunity to secure this moment of fame. if that were not true, would be still be discussing it? no. are your rights taken away? no! let the families morn and let the dead be buried. am i wrong. if i am. why are we discussing it any further? its over, let it go.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 21, 2012, 07:14:37 PM
Quote from: HercTNT
None of you lost some one today, did you? if you did, my condolences, if you did not, shut the hell up, you have no idea what its like.
Quote from: HercTNT
if you know how they feel then great. if you don't the stfu.
Who made you the arbiter of who say anything and who can't?
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: vestcoat on July 21, 2012, 07:51:35 PM
that fine. its a free country. if you know how they feel then great. if you don't the stfu. its funny how people use situations like this to defend thier rights. you don't need to defend your rights. no one has taken them away. let it be what it is. some crazy a$$hole used this opportunity to secure this moment of fame. if that were not true, would be still be discussing it? no. are your rights taken away? no! let the families morn and let the dead be buried. am i wrong. if i am. why are we discussing it any further? its over, let it go.
Oh, I'm sorry. Are my emotions out of line with your ego?
A few problems with judging dialog and telling people to shut up: 1) everyone processes emotions differently. Some people need a candlelight vigil, others need to crack jokes and argue. Who are you to judge that? Telling everyone to conform to your emotional process is arrogance. Some things might be in bad taste (like the usual NRA statements that follow shooting tragedies), but as long as no one is spewing the language of violence and retaliation, it's none of your business. 2) you have no idea how anyone is actually feeling. For all you know, we all read the news and cried buckets. Don't tell Joe he's an a$$hole just because he's bitching about the media's interview choices. 3) telling people that they can't possibly fathom the loss of the victims' families is also arrogant. Suffering is the promise that life always keeps. No, I've never had a loved one mowed down by a maniac, but we've all lost loved ones. Everyone's been kicked in the nuts often enough to earn a seat in the ballpark of empathy. So get off your high horse and stop telling strangers that their feelings are inferior.
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Post by: storino03 on July 21, 2012, 08:04:57 PM
You've just been served!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: HercTNT on July 22, 2012, 12:23:27 AM
All i can say is i got carried away. I have my emotions and feelings to. i'm not sure how that gives me an ego, but telling others to can it is wrong and i'm sorry for that. I have lost three friends to suicide with guns. One put a bullet in his head. One used a shotgun in his mouth with his little children in the next room. One emptied two magazines of 9mm into his sister saving the last bullet for himself. I let my personal feelings get away from me.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: esteban on July 22, 2012, 12:36:35 AM
The police finally released a photograph of the gunman:
All i can say is i got carried away. I have my emotions and feelings to. i'm not sure how that gives me an ego, but telling others to can it is wrong and i'm sorry for that. I have lost three friends to suicide with guns. One put a bullet in his head. One used a shotgun in his mouth with his little children in the next room. One emptied two magazines of 9mm into his sister saving the last bullet for himself. I let my personal feelings get away from me.
Thanks for saying so. My response was a bit strong too. I'm sorry about the friends you've lost.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: HercTNT on July 22, 2012, 07:03:54 AM
I appreciate it. My losses don't give me an excuse to be an a$$hole. once again, i'm sorry guys. lets move on.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: RegalSin on July 22, 2012, 11:38:34 AM
Nahhh!!!! Ctop is too buffed out to do anything like that. You know he is wearing make up or had face surgery. If you look at his earlier days they look more natural.
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Post by: soop on July 22, 2012, 11:27:38 PM
Quote
Everyone's been kicked in the nuts often enough to earn a seat in the ballpark of empathy.
I know it's all settled, but I really liked that.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Arkhan on July 23, 2012, 03:32:36 AM
Wouldn't have helped. He bought a ticket and sat with the audience. After the movie started, he went out the emergency exit, propped the door open and got on his gear and grabbed his weapons from his car. His gear included a groin protector.
Yeah, I saw that bit of info after my post.
Time to install alarms at all emergency exits so when jackasses open them, alarms go off. He wouldn't have had time to stroll out to his car and put on his Counter Strike outfit before someone spotted him.
This is going to be like how they ramped up airport security after the 9/11. Cops at all big movie premieres, moar cameras, etc.
Good thing most of the movies I go to some goony-ass theatre where usually theres like 8 people there including employees.
Noones going to shoot up a theatre with 3 people in it.
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Post by: Necromancer on July 23, 2012, 06:34:12 AM
Time to install alarms at all emergency exits so when jackasses open them, alarms go off. He wouldn't have had time to stroll out to his car and put on his Counter Strike outfit before someone spotted him.
So he'd shoot 'em in the parking lot, or at the local department store, or at a school sporting event, or at a park, or etc. No amount of security can reliably predict and stop bat shit nutters - the only chance is for people to pay attention to the warning signs, not that those are always there either.
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Post by: guyjin on July 23, 2012, 06:46:04 AM
Time to install alarms at all emergency exits so when jackasses open them, alarms go off.
This is the case in almost every place I've ever seen with fire exits. Is it typical for movie theaters not to do this? or did they just get left off (which sometimes happens)?
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Arkhan on July 23, 2012, 06:49:52 AM
So he'd shoot 'em in the parking lot, or at the local department store, or at a school sporting event, or at a park, or etc. No amount of security can reliably predict and stop bat shit nutters - the only chance is for people to pay attention to the warning signs, not that those are always there either.
yep, but you might as well put in security-attempts where you can.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Gogan on July 23, 2012, 07:07:08 AM
My heart skipped a beat en route to work Friday morning cuz they were talking about a shooting at the midnight premiere, but weren't saying where. My son went to the showing by us. They soon said where, and I was relieved for our sake, But also saddened for the families/people involved.
There's virtually nothing you can do to prevent these "soft targets" from attacks. A big anti-gun nut I know said it's the ease of obtaining such guns that's the problem, and should be banned. While it might be easier to obtain such weapons than in other countries, I'll agree there, it ain't the problem. These batshit crazy turds would get them anyway. Outlaw guns, then only outlaws have em. Just a sad sad situation.
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Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on July 23, 2012, 07:39:46 AM
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Post by: storino03 on July 23, 2012, 08:36:36 AM
HA. never heard it like that before.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: RegalSin on July 23, 2012, 09:26:54 AM
Yes the new Batman is auwful. 1990's Bat is where it's at.....just until Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin. Okay Batman forever was also decent, because it had a GTA styled videogame released for the PSX.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: NightWolve on July 23, 2012, 11:12:15 AM
I wasn't gonna let this incident ruin it, so I saw the movie Saturday, thought it was decent enough - the first one under Chris Nolan (Batman Begins) still remains my favorite (Liam Neeson, and ass-kicking ninjas living up in the mountains always makes the difference in my book), though. Major Complaint: I think it's time that movie theaters/industry offered a way to view subtitles, like maybe with special glasses that make them visible for those that want them while invisible without them. Half the time, I could not understand what the main villain Bane was saying through that muzzle of his... It's a 3 hour movie, pretty satisfying conclusion to the trilogy, but I almost have to get the Blu-Ray just so I can get to understand what Bane was saying.
Anyway, it's too bad some psycho a$$hole used the movie to get himself into the history books - Nolan issued a statement about this in response. It is like estaban said, "The horror, for me, is how the assault mirrors the games, films and music we love." Like he wanted to take the violence reflected in the movie and make it live for those that came to see it... Sort of like, "Hah, surprise!! Didn't see this one coming, did ya? *reloads* *fires away*"
In other news, far Left democrats figured out a way to blame Sarah Palin ("Don't retreat, reload!"), the Tea Party, and right-wing AM Talk Radio (Rush Limbaugh) for inspiring this attacker. ;) I see the NRA was already in the cross-hairs before I got here, no surprise there!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: RegalSin on July 23, 2012, 11:59:15 AM
Okay, basically he is saying, to people this makes no difference, between the movie or if it was real. Like many other past events, this one too, will fade away into ficticious thinking like September 2001, Timothy Mcbay, Lousiana, or the Chicago Fire.
Or maybe he is saying, the media will once again blame violence in fictional works, and go back to furry comics, and TNMNT. Then again he said that to dodge gun law.
Palin is basically a minor, casuality. That news is for the people who do not even have internet, rocking their chairs back and forth in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: TheClash603 on July 23, 2012, 12:11:14 PM
Good thing most of the movies I go to some goony-ass theatre where usually theres like 8 people there including employees.
No ones going to bother shooting up some back room porn theater at a adult only store anyway.
I go to the ghetto downtown theater too, where it is typically just me and a handful of black people. When I saw no other white people at Batman, it made me feel safer. Black people typically don't do crazy theater shoot-ups/Columbine shit.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: storino03 on July 23, 2012, 01:21:33 PM
Mcveigh I thought it was O_o
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 23, 2012, 02:53:08 PM
In other news, far Left democrats figured out a way to blame Sarah Palin ("Don't retreat, reload!"), the Tea Party, and right-wing AM Talk Radio (Rush Limbaugh) for inspiring this attacker. ;) I see the NRA was already in the cross-hairs before I got here, no surprise there!
Is it their fault now? I've seen it argued that Obama staged it so he could win the election by being sympathetic. And of course he made the new Batman movie solely to attack Mittens because he worked for some place called Bain. I guess this whole thing is the fault of whoever anyone wants it to be.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Sadler on July 23, 2012, 03:20:35 PM
In other news, far Left democrats figured out a way to blame Sarah Palin ("Don't retreat, reload!"), the Tea Party, and right-wing AM Talk Radio (Rush Limbaugh) for inspiring this attacker. ;) I see the NRA was already in the cross-hairs before I got here, no surprise there!
Is it their fault now? I've seen it argued that Obama staged it so he could win the election by being sympathetic. And of course he made the new Batman movie solely to attack Mittens because he worked for some place called Bain. I guess this whole thing is the fault of whoever anyone wants it to be.
I know it's cliche, but it's no ones fault but the shooters. I don't understand why people are trying to pin this on any group. What are you going to do with that information?
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: RegalSin on July 23, 2012, 03:22:54 PM
Also every Batman movie after "Batman Return" starting with "Batman and Robin"
I go to the ghetto downtown theater too, where it is typically just me and a handful of black people. When I saw no other white people at Batman, it made me feel safer. Black people typically don't do crazy theater shoot-ups/Columbine shit.
ROTFL...........ha ha ha.......run you pockets ha ha
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: NightWolve on July 23, 2012, 03:44:01 PM
I don't understand why people are trying to pin this on any group.
For opportunistic, partisan political gain of course, why else? Happens all the time. One of the worse cases I saw was when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head last year.
I've seen it argued that Obama staged it so he could win the election by being sympathetic.
I dunno how anybody would attempt to make a serious connection to Obama in that way. That's too ridiculous to be taken seriously with no way to link it. In contrast, there were serious attempts to link "violent rhetoric" (e.g. "Don't retreat, reload!") and crosshair use on district maps by Sarah Palin to the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords, not just by hacks on forums, but by MSM news anchors. ABC7 Chicago was talking about the incident and reporting that Sarah had removed the crosshair stuff, didn't bother to report that that was standard stuff used by both parties for years, and instead one of them sarcastically says, "Gee, thanks Sarah" as if to make a serious connection that her crosshair image use on Gabrielle's district led to the assassination attempt, that it inspired the assassin, etc.. Overall, there was a deliberate attempt to embarrass and pin some blame on her which forced her to apologize and remove that stuff from her website, etc.
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And of course he made the new Batman movie solely to attack Mittens because he worked for some place called Bain.
The Bain/Bane rumblings have been about how democrats can connect Romney and his former company (Bain capital) to the villain in the movie to help smear him and whatnot. Jon Stewart already joked about it. (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2012/07/17/comedian-likens-batman-villain-bane-to-romney-bain-capital-firm/) It started here on the 16th. (http://washingtonexaminer.com/romneys-new-foe-batmans-bane/article/2502274) Democratic adviser and former Clinton aide Christopher Lehane says, "Whether it is spelled Bain and being put out by the Obama campaign or Bane and being out by Hollywood, the narratives are similar: a highly intelligent villain with offshore interests and a past both are seeking to cover up who had a powerful father and is set on pillaging society..." The other aspect to it asks if it was an intentional choice to name the character 'Bane' so as to make the connection to 'Bain', but that's very silly/wrong since the Bane character was created in the 1990s; it was already apart of Batman comic history. Entirely coincidental the Bain/Bane name game (as it's being referred to).
Also every Batman movie after "Batman Return" starting with "Batman and Robin"
Heh-heh, this guy... OK, I think you forgot to finish your thought there. So after every Batman movie after "Batman Returns" starting with "Batman & Robin" what ??
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: vestcoat on July 23, 2012, 04:11:57 PM
the first one under Chris Nolan (Batman Begins) still remains my favorite (Liam Neeson, and ass-kicking ninjas living up in the mountains always makes the difference in my book),
Yeah, the first half of Batman Begins was awesome (not that the rest of the movie wasn't great, but the first half was especially good). It was totally new and unexpected for a Batman movie. I also liked the unusual Gotham aesthetic and having villains I wasn't familiar with.
Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: vestcoat on July 23, 2012, 04:17:04 PM
I don't understand why people are trying to pin this on any group.
For opportunistic, partisan political gain of course, why else? Happens all the time. One of the worse cases I saw was when Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head last year.
It was funny how she was suddenly a Republican according to Fox News.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: NightWolve on July 23, 2012, 04:24:15 PM
It was funny how she was suddenly a Republican according to Fox News.
Hm, I thought I heard she was an ex-republican, about it. Her Wiki page just says, "She has described herself as a 'former Republican'" - but she's always been a democrat publicly. Well, I'd be surprised if they managed get a party label wrong again. Stuff like that is too easy to use to attack one's credibility. They made that mistake before with Mark Foley, but fixed it in the next rebroadcast of that same show. But I remember an image being paraded around of him wrongly being reported as a democrat way back in that case.
Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.
I think that was apart of the the problem too, the volume was way too high for this movie causing distortion at times. I just could not understand Bane most of the time, other parts of the movie too!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Sadler on July 23, 2012, 04:33:59 PM
No.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 23, 2012, 06:47:55 PM
Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.
Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd. I see (hear) this A LOT. Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye. The biggest issue is that the technician uses his RTA to EQ the auditorium and he EQs straight to the line. Once it looks OK on the RTA he unplugs and moves on to the next auditorium. This is absolutely the wrong way to do a B-chain in an auditorium. A technician worth his salt will listen to known material after his B-chain and make the necessary adjustments. Yup, you've got to bring with you sound that you are intimately familiar with and test it each and every time. You cannot rely solely on what the equipment tells you or you will end up with awful, harsh sound. My auditorium EQs can be turned up much more than other theaters and nobody ever complains that it is too loud despite the dial being at 7 or a bit above (most theaters run at 6 at the highest). Loud doesn't mean painful. Benjamin Bratt complimented me on my sound when he screened a movie he directed in an auditorium I EQ'd. I also took one of the worst sounding auditoriums for Star Wars Episode 1 and made it into one of the best sounding just by redoing the entire B-chain. This was noticed by customers but not anyone from a studio. Unfortunately I don't work in the theater biz any more so I'm pretty disappointed any time I see a movie in a theater these days. Thank the flying spaghetti monster for good home theater sound.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: soop on July 23, 2012, 10:49:09 PM
That's pretty interesting about the sound. I considered a home cinema sound system a few years back, but I have a funny shaped room, and I don't really want to spend a lot. I have to say, although I don't go to the movies a lot, Idon't really notice the sound being bad - and since I have really good hearing, I would have thought I'd notice if it caused me discomfort.
Actually, I listen to the radio a lot, and I do tend to notice bad levels - if you remember that Dre song from about 2 years back where there's a flatline noise in the middle of a song? On normal volume, with earphones, that was f*cking earsplitting on BBC radio. I sent them an email telling them to sort it the f*ck out, and whether or not that was the catalyst, they did shortly after. It's a shit song anyway. But they do often get it wrong with higher pitches.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: esteban on July 24, 2012, 03:42:49 AM
Major Complaint: big cineplexes are too loud. I love a wide dynamic range, bass, surround sound, and an immersive movie environment as much as the next guy, but I've taken to wearing ear plugs when I go anywhere other than the mom-and-pop cinema down the street. And yeah, subtitles would be nice too.
Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd. I see (hear) this A LOT. Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye. The biggest issue is that the technician uses his RTA to EQ the auditorium and he EQs straight to the line. Once it looks OK on the RTA he unplugs and moves on to the next auditorium. This is absolutely the wrong way to do a B-chain in an auditorium. A technician worth his salt will listen to known material after his B-chain and make the necessary adjustments. Yup, you've got to bring with you sound that you are intimately familiar with and test it each and every time. You cannot rely solely on what the equipment tells you or you will end up with awful, harsh sound. My auditorium EQs can be turned up much more than other theaters and nobody ever complains that it is too loud despite the dial being at 7 or a bit above (most theaters run at 6 at the highest). Loud doesn't mean painful. Benjamin Bratt complimented me on my sound when he screened a movie he directed in an auditorium I EQ'd. I also took one of the worst sounding auditoriums for Star Wars Episode 1 and made it into one of the best sounding just by redoing the entire B-chain. This was noticed by customers but not anyone from a studio. Unfortunately I don't work in the theater biz any more so I'm pretty disappointed any time I see a movie in a theater these days. Thank the flying spaghetti monster for good home theater sound.
I had never considered the procedure that technicians use when setting levels in a theatre. I thought that staff just fooled around with things (trial and error) until it sounded "OK".
Yes, I'm serious. I'm totally ignorant about the theatre scene.
But I can relate to the harsh acoustics. I always assumed it was the source material/over-worked sound equipment at theatre. It never occurred to me that you could actually adjust the EQ. Ha!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: storino03 on July 25, 2012, 08:01:18 AM
Knowing is half the battle!
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: NightWolve on July 26, 2012, 05:48:21 PM
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Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd. I see (hear) this A LOT. Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.
Yeah, what he's describing is what I experienced: I couldn't tell what Bane was saying most of the time, a voice which I have since learned was manipulated for effect and the explosions/gunfire would blast my eardrums! This is the 2nd time I've been to this particular theater, I saw the new Alien movie Prometheus there. I don't go to theaters much, but I don't remember a case where it was this bad. Anyway, I'm not the best judge because I think I have lost some hearing and I do prefer watching movies with subtitles on these days; I'd turn them off, but then a point would come when something wasn't clear and I'd have to rewind, turn them back on to understand it, so eventually I just gave up and now I always keep them on... It sucks cause I can't keep my eyes from looking at them first, a habit that develops with their use - you're looking down most of the time, missing facial expressions, etc.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: soop on July 26, 2012, 10:28:17 PM
Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd. I see (hear) this A LOT. Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.
Yeah, what he's describing is what I experienced: I couldn't tell what Bane was saying most of the time, a voice which I have since learned was manipulated for effect and the explosions/gunfire would blast my eardrums! This is the 2nd time I've been to this particular theater, I saw the new Alien movie Prometheus there. I don't go to theaters much, but I don't remember a case where it was this bad. Anyway, I'm not the best judge because I think I have lost some hearing and I do prefer watching movies with subtitles on these days; I'd turn them off, but then a point would come when something wasn't clear and I'd have to rewind, turn them back on to understand it, so eventually I just gave up and now I always keep them on... It sucks cause I can't keep my eyes from looking at them first, a habit that develops with their use - you're looking down most of the time, missing facial expressions, etc.
Title: Re: some dude in denver opens fire at a Batman premier
Post by: NightWolve on July 27, 2012, 07:02:33 AM
Well, most likely they're just poorly EQ'd. I see (hear) this A LOT. Usually the 4-8K ranges of frequencies are WAY too hot. It makes dialog painful and if someone in the movie fires a gun then kiss your eardrums goodbye.
Yeah, what he's describing is what I experienced: I couldn't tell what Bane was saying most of the time, a voice which I have since learned was manipulated for effect and the explosions/gunfire would blast my eardrums! This is the 2nd time I've been to this particular theater, I saw the new Alien movie Prometheus there. I don't go to theaters much, but I don't remember a case where it was this bad. Anyway, I'm not the best judge because I think I have lost some hearing and I do prefer watching movies with subtitles on these days; I'd turn them off, but then a point would come when something wasn't clear and I'd have to rewind, turn them back on to understand it, so eventually I just gave up and now I always keep them on... It sucks cause I can't keep my eyes from looking at them first, a habit that develops with their use - you're looking down most of the time, missing facial expressions, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3_HHZFi0As&t=0m8s
Hahaha! Way to lighten the thread up! That was awesome!!
I guess we'd rather not really think of the reality here. At some level I just said to myself I'm not gonna let it affect me much. Hell, I live in Chicago after all, murder capital of the US at times - getting gunned down in the wrong part of town is a way of life. We had jokes told for that one year when more people were killed here than US troops in Iraq, prompting a sort of "Hey, it's getting safer in Iraq than in a US city! WTF?" line of joking... Heh.