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Title: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 16, 2012, 08:31:22 PM
I wanted to like this one a lot, but right out of the gate I just notice these dumb issues with the game. Sometimes that radar warning thing doesn't always kick on right. Some enemy attacks are not able to be defended from at all hardly and it doesn't help that the game wont let you re-select the same special attack weapon each stage unless you die and continue. THAT FORWARD LASER FIRING THING THAT CANT SHOOT STRAIGHT IS USELESS!!! I WANT MY f*ckING TRACKING MISSILES EACH STAGE GODDAMMIT!!!. There is these spots in the game were it just slows down for what seems like no reason, the game just bogs down to a grinding halt almost and it doesn't seem like justified slowdown because other spots with more going on were smoother. Some enemies look cheap and low detail too which was really annoying considering how detailed others are, and the background graphics in many areas could be much better.
The one round orb enemy thing that zooms in and out right in the one stage where your ship rams the other, that orb was one of the worst looking enemies in the game in fact. And that one dumb enemy with the "magic blue orb buttons" that splits apart had the worst attack pattern going on. It didn't even make sense enemy wise to keep popping the orb back out. Its like they thought "hey Konami gradius/salamander bosses have orbs that need to be destroyed, so can we". But the thing is the Gradius/Lifefoce ones don't just leave them automatically exposed so the boss doesn't get left there hung out to dry. Oh, and f*cking being inside the enemy ship, with enemies dropping out of the ceilings which don't have access panels opening or anything, so it gives no warning, was f*cking weak and looked retarded.
As is I don't think I will bother to finish this one. The developer took a great franchise and really just took way way too many shortcuts and liberties on the games development preventing it from shining like it should have, so the game feels more like average fare. It would be understandable if the game was just some new property and all, but this is Macross, and other Macross titles released do a much better job of representing the series.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: PunkicCyborg on August 17, 2012, 01:27:27 AM
I am not too crazy about ut either but a lot of people love it. It really is one of the best macross games released though, most macross games are so bad and at least 2036 is decent.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: geise on August 17, 2012, 03:16:46 AM
I like Macross 2036, but it does have it's isses. Like you said punk it is one of the better Macross games out there but as a shooter it's fairly average with some issues. Nice cut-scenes and music but that really only matters more to a Macross otaku. Macross by Zamuse on the SFC is better to me from a shooter standpoint.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Father5&JoshUnion on August 17, 2012, 04:15:06 AM
Isn't it also very easy? I remember blowing through it in one sitting... but that was years ago. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 17, 2012, 04:21:49 AM
Isn't it also very easy? I remember blowing through it in one sitting... but that was years ago. Maybe I'm mistaken.
Other then a few spots, yeah it is pretty easy over all, on normal anyway. The bosses are a joke for the most part. If I didn't stop playing I'd prob have beat it in one sitting too.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: RegalSin on August 17, 2012, 04:28:11 AM
Most of the Macross games is the same exact game redesign, unless this one is differnt. I havent, bother to get this because the story is the exact same story. Macross flamed out faster then Voltron, Towards the late 1990's, Unless you follow the continuing storyline,
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Tatsujin on August 17, 2012, 04:58:20 AM
i also like macross scrambled valkyrie on sfc the better, but that's because it is one of the best shewty on the system anyway.
and because of this :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6SofkoZ1YY
Yeah see that's what I'm talking about. You look at that game and then you look at 2036 and its like wtf happened, and there is no excuse for it considering the hardware 2036 was developed on?
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: BigusSchmuck on August 17, 2012, 08:42:05 AM
Macross Ein No Love song is a much better game IMO. Seriously though, they need to make more Macross strategy games like that. Also, Macross VO for the PC is just plain awesome.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 17, 2012, 08:54:18 AM
When it was released it was considered good because it was much better than the FC or computer games. The cutscenes are extremely good and a decent amount of original art was made for the new Valks, characters, etc.
Nowadays though, after the (amazing) SFC game and the two arcade releases...it doesn't hold up. I like it, but not strictly for the gameplay, for the whole experience. It's almost as good as a mini OVA in terms of "new Macross stuff". Keep in mind that at the time the newest Macross was Macross II, which wasn't very good, and before that there was just the original TV, movie, and Flashback. We were Macross starved!
The stage with the line scrolling water is pretty nice however it's nothing compared to the SFC game. I'm not sure there is much on SFC that compares to the SFC game. It's pretty wonderful.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 17, 2012, 09:04:00 AM
The stage with the line scrolling water is pretty nice however it's nothing compared to the SFC game.
You talking about the stage with the reflective water and pillar things that can be blasted away? If so then yeah that was kind of the most impressive stage to me in the game.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Colossus1574 on August 17, 2012, 09:44:43 AM
Wow...after all this talk about Macross games, i'm suprised nobody mentioned Robotech: BattleCry for ps2, gc, xbox?! I think it's the only one that's pretty good after graphics went 3D, and it had alot of depth too. There were real differences between fighting in Veritech mode vs. Battleroid mode, and there were some pretty cool mission objectives (although some where pissing tedious...).
I guess if you guys are loyal to the japanese anime and detest the US version Robotech, i can understand...
So in the end Prof...are you selling? hahah
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: nectarsis on August 17, 2012, 09:50:40 AM
Wow...after all this talk about Macross games, i'm suprised nobody mentioned Robotech: BattleCry for ps2, gc, xbox?! I think it's the only one that's pretty good after graphics went 3D, and it had alot of depth too. There were real differences between fighting in Veritech mode vs. Battleroid mode, and there were some pretty cool mission objectives (although some where pissing tedious...).
I guess if you guys are loyal to the japanese anime and detest the US version Robotech, i can understand...
So in the end Prof...are you selling? hahah
Most/all of the psp games (and Gundam...all based off the same engine IIRC) are good to great.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 17, 2012, 09:58:31 AM
Not yet lol. I told Bernie I'd give him a heads up if I decide to sell or trade it, so he has first dibs. I may give the game another go. I'm just hard pressed to do so when I have quite a few better shooters sitting here that don't try to hold my hand on their power up system. And to be honest, I do like the cover art at least.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 17, 2012, 10:05:00 AM
Wow...after all this talk about Macross games, i'm suprised nobody mentioned Robotech: BattleCry for ps2, gc, xbox?! I think it's the only one that's pretty good after graphics went 3D,
Evidently you never played Artdink's PSP/PS3 games or the PS2 Macross game.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: spenoza on August 17, 2012, 11:52:41 AM
I actually thought the Saturn Macross game was pretty good. A bit straight-forward, but lots of missiles.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 17, 2012, 12:03:35 PM
I actually thought the Saturn Macross game was pretty good. A bit straight-forward, but lots of missiles.
The problem with that game is that is way way too easy. Ridiculously easy. Also: pre-rendered CG is...always a problem.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: spenoza on August 17, 2012, 02:24:50 PM
I still found it attractive, both visually and aurally. That and missiles. Heck, the best looking traditional Macross shooter is probably Macross Plus in the arcades.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Firebomber7 on August 17, 2012, 06:26:19 PM
Wow...after all this talk about Macross games, i'm suprised nobody mentioned Robotech: BattleCry for ps2, gc, xbox?! I think it's the only one that's pretty good after graphics went 3D...
The Bandai Macross game on the PS2 looks incredible. I do like Battlecry, though. They did a REALLY good job with it, despite my mixed feelings with Robotech.
As Tatsujin said, Scrambled Valkyrie is a very good game. One of the best shooters on the SFC (not that there is a lot of competition beyond what Konami offered...). DYRL on the Saturn is also really nice (and easy, as was said).
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Colossus1574 on August 17, 2012, 09:16:41 PM
Wow...after all this talk about Macross games, i'm suprised nobody mentioned Robotech: BattleCry for ps2, gc, xbox?! I think it's the only one that's pretty good after graphics went 3D...
I do like Battlecry, though. They did a REALLY good job with it, despite my mixed feelings with Robotech.
Yep...too bad the Robotech: New Generation or Mospeada (Genesis Climber?) sucked i heard...
Wow...after all this talk about Macross games, i'm suprised nobody mentioned Robotech: BattleCry for ps2, gc, xbox?! I think it's the only one that's pretty good after graphics went 3D,
Evidently you never played Artdink's PSP/PS3 games or the PS2 Macross game.
Thanks for the suggestion Zeta, i Youtubed them just now, they do look pretty neat...but i'm gonna minus points cause it's not based off of the 1st Macross Saga :lol:
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Mathius on August 18, 2012, 03:34:07 AM
I like Macross 2036. It has its flaws but the game reminds me of U.N. Squadron/Area 88, which is never a bad thing.
On a side note; I just picked up Macross: Scrambled Valkrie for the SFC. I can't wait for it to get here! :D
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 18, 2012, 07:08:12 AM
Thanks for the suggestion Zeta, i Youtubed them just now, they do look pretty neat...but i'm gonna minus points cause it's not based off of the 1st Macross Saga :lol:
Well, the PS2 game is. The PSP games have ALL Macross in them, even Macross II if you get Ultimate Frontier. You have to play a lot to unlock everything but they have missions for the TV series and the movie. I can't remember if the Flashback stuff is in there.
The most significant thing about the PSP games is that they are actual fun and good and stuff. It used to be when you bought an anime based game from Bandai you were usually buying shit, but you were happy just to have a game based on the show you like. These days Bandai is kicking ass. I'm pretty sure they are my favorite publisher.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: fragmare on August 19, 2012, 01:57:35 AM
I think it's decent, but not great. I'd give it 7/10... maybe 8 if I'm feeling generous. Definitely not on par with Gate of Thunder or R-Type, as far as horis go, imo.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Tatsujin on August 19, 2012, 02:46:38 AM
compared to the best stuff on the sys. i would give it a 6/10 at best. still a decent game. just shows how good the real good stuff is :)
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Tatsujin on August 19, 2012, 02:48:22 AM
*edith*
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: sunteam_paul on August 19, 2012, 09:40:49 AM
As a shooter, it's decent but not stellar. As a whole package it fares better, with great music and visual scenes. It's a shame there wasn't a bit more variety within levels.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: kazekirifx on August 21, 2012, 02:11:07 PM
"Meh" was my reaction to this game too. I had heard good things before playing it, and my expectations were a bit too high I guess.
I preferred eien no Lovesong. It's basically Langrisser in space... and I was a Langrisser fan.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Bonknuts on September 14, 2012, 06:44:00 AM
This game is a CD 2.0 game. It might be 'bi-compatible' or whatever you want to call it, but it's not a SuperCD 3.0 game. I'm sure there would be more detailed backgrounds and more in game animation if it were. That said, I like it as is. It does have its flaws, but I find it more enjoyable than the SFC version - by a good amount.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 14, 2012, 10:29:50 AM
Wow. For a non-Super CD then it's actually pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Mathius on September 14, 2012, 01:25:20 PM
This game is a CD 2.0 game. It might be 'bi-compatible' or whatever you want to call it, but it's not a SuperCD 3.0 game. I'm sure there would be more detailed backgrounds and more in game animation if it were. That said, I like it as is. It does have its flaws, but I find it more enjoyable than the SFC version - by a good amount.
but seirei senshi spriggan f.e. is a 2.0 game too, and that beats the shit out of most of the 3.0 games. that said, it looks absolut fantastic, with lots of variety during each level, lots of enemies, mid bosses, huge and detailed bosses with several transformations, tons of action and explosions and huge shots on the screen etc.
if a 2.0 game earns the highest rank in max. squeezing the system, then it should be this one :)
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Mathius on September 14, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
This game is a CD 2.0 game. It might be 'bi-compatible' or whatever you want to call it, but it's not a SuperCD 3.0 game. I'm sure there would be more detailed backgrounds and more in game animation if it were. That said, I like it as is. It does have its flaws, but I find it more enjoyable than the SFC version - by a good amount.
but seirei senshi spriggan f.e. is a 2.0 game too, and that beats the shit out of most of the 3.0 games. that said, it looks absolut fantastic, with lots of variety during each level, lots of enemies, mid bosses, huge and detailed bosses with several transformations, tons of action and explosions and huge shots on the screen etc.
if a 2.0 game earns the highest rank in max. squeezing the system, then it should be this one :)
I would have to agree with you here, Tats. Spriggan is the Gate of Thunder of vertical shooties. The only area that Macross trumps Spriggan is in the aformentioned cinemas. :)
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: esteban on September 15, 2012, 06:45:32 PM
This game is a CD 2.0 game. It might be 'bi-compatible' or whatever you want to call it, but it's not a SuperCD 3.0 game. I'm sure there would be more detailed backgrounds and more in game animation if it were. That said, I like it as is. It does have its flaws, but I find it more enjoyable than the SFC version - by a good amount.
I had never considered this aspect before. DAMN. It certainly helps me appreciate what the developers did. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Obfuscate on October 01, 2012, 03:04:26 AM
Dude you guys are crazy. Macross 2036 is freaking sweet! I love the weapon system, you just have to learn which ones are best for each level. Yes, the game is a little too easy especially the last boss but the graphics, sound, controls and weapons are great and the game is a ton of fun to fly through.
Edit: Also, I love me some Spriggan but I honestly like Macross 2036 slightly better. Macross is my 7th favorite PCE Shooter and Spriggan is #8.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: arex on October 03, 2012, 09:17:04 PM
Grrrrr... I owned both this and Dracula X back in the day. I loaned them both to a friend with whom I eventually lost contact before getting my games back.=( I do have his copy of Total Eclipse for the 3DO though. HA!
I remember this game only being so-so as well. But play a little bit of the original Famicom Macross game before playing 2036, and 2036 will look pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Tatsujin on October 03, 2012, 10:54:41 PM
This game is a CD 2.0 game. It might be 'bi-compatible' or whatever you want to call it, but it's not a SuperCD 3.0 game. I'm sure there would be more detailed backgrounds and more in game animation if it were. That said, I like it as is. It does have its flaws, but I find it more enjoyable than the SFC version - by a good amount.
but seirei senshi spriggan f.e. is a 2.0 game too, and that beats the shit out of most of the 3.0 games. that said, it looks absolut fantastic, with lots of variety during each level, lots of enemies, mid bosses, huge and detailed bosses with several transformations, tons of action and explosions and huge shots on the screen etc.
if a 2.0 game earns the highest rank in max. squeezing the system, then it should be this one :)
I would have to agree with you here, Tats. Spriggan is the Gate of Thunder of vertical shooties. The only area that Macross trumps Spriggan is in the aformentioned cinemas. :)
Spriggan is the shit. Compile obeyed, therefore you must obey. ;)
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Bernie on October 03, 2012, 11:47:55 PM
Im looking to get Macross 2036 soon hopefully, as well as the Spriggan games. Those three have been on my want list for a while now, time to act on it.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on October 04, 2012, 12:29:52 AM
I'm surprised this thread has gone to 3 pages. I still have not had the time to go back and retry this one yet. I got kinda busy playing other games and just forgot. I guess I will get back to it eventually and give it another go.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Bernie on October 04, 2012, 12:45:01 AM
I'm surprised this thread has gone to 3 pages. I still have not had the time to go back and retry this one yet. I got kinda busy playing other games and just forgot. I guess I will get back to it eventually and give it another go.
Or... you can send it to Bernie!!! :) lol
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Tatsujin on October 04, 2012, 12:53:11 AM
for a nice weekend :) lol
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Bernie on October 04, 2012, 01:34:09 AM
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Obfuscate on October 04, 2012, 06:16:35 AM
I'd also add hard mode is a good challenge for more serious shooter fans. The normal mode is easy but I think they designed it that way so the average gamer that was a Macross fan could get though the whole story not just hardcore shooter fans. Again, awesome game surprised so many think it's just so-so.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: Emerald Rocker on October 06, 2012, 04:03:27 PM
For anyone who has *not* played the game yet, be sure to set it on Hard mode from the start. It'll make a much better first impression that way.
Title: Re: Macross 2036.... meh
Post by: esteban on October 07, 2012, 03:59:19 AM