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Title: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arm on November 05, 2012, 10:27:22 AM
For those who would be interested or have played the original genesis version of PS, the game will be remade for the Dreamcast/x360/PC/Mac/Linux in HD. A kickstarter page to help the project has opened : http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/573261866/pier-solar-hd-an-rpg-for-xbox360-pc-mac-linux-and
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 05, 2012, 10:28:28 AM
I hope they don't have any problems pressing the Dreamcast disc.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arm on November 05, 2012, 10:37:14 AM
I hope too. I don't know if it's difficult or possible to press genuine gdroms.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 05, 2012, 10:45:43 AM
Since the Dreamcast can play CD-Rs (backups) without problems, they may go the cheap route and just burn it to a customized CDR instead of having to get a genuine gd-rom pressing done.
In any case, I'll be getting the Dreamcast collector's edition and keeping it sealed. I hope they modify their pledge levels to include a digital download copy either PC/Xbox, with a certain threshold for this exact reason.
Did anyone see the price of the Classic Edition for the MegaDrive/Genesis? $500! If that's not taking advantage of the inflated ebay prices, I don't know what is!
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: kazekirifx on November 05, 2012, 07:16:43 PM
The best way to play it will always be on the Genesis.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 06, 2012, 02:25:39 AM
I just loled.
They are milking that game for all its worth and its kind of just hilarious at this point.
Is it going to say GREATEST HITS on the side of the cover art, or something?
Is this in lieu of their "invest in our games and help create them!" idea falling flat on its face?
im still laughing, btw.
That's crazy that they're going to whore it out to 5 more platforms. They must have some expensive drugs at the Watermelon Factory.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Necromancer on November 06, 2012, 02:37:56 AM
Please get back to me when they port it to the Turbob. I might care then. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 06, 2012, 02:46:26 AM
Yeah right they couldn't even press a Mega CD that worked. You think they can press a Turbobcd?
pfsssssssshttttttttttt
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: TheClash603 on November 06, 2012, 11:20:49 AM
I played the game and it wasn't good enough to get this kind of hyped re-release.
What were the quantities of the original Genny edition? If they are doing this to attract collectors, 700 seems to be too high of a number to warrant the cost.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: SuperDeadite on November 06, 2012, 11:35:54 AM
I like how they want well over $100,000 to just upgrade a game that already exists. My favorite part though is the highest donator prize, which gets you an invite to their Paris party, BUT the donator must still pay for himself. In other words, buy us a party in Paris, and we'll be kind enough to invite you. LOL these people are scum.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Senshi on November 06, 2012, 12:34:54 PM
Yeah right they couldn't even press a Mega CD that worked. You think they can press a Turbobcd?
yea that seems to be a problem these days...
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 06, 2012, 12:46:25 PM
Actually the Posterity/Classic editions for the Megadrive/Genesis were limited to around 800 units. Not sure if it was more or less total, or for each region, but yeah. around 800. It's ridiculous asking $500 though. The higher pledge levels are a joke.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: TR0N on November 06, 2012, 03:47:27 PM
All ready have it for the genesis.I don't see much of a reason to donate so they can do this.Beside,i thought they were suppose to be working on other games now.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Mathius on November 06, 2012, 04:09:03 PM
I went ahead and backed it to get the Dreamcast version in hopes that they fix some of the balancing and sound issues.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 06, 2012, 04:32:46 PM
Actually the Posterity/Classic editions for the Megadrive/Genesis were limited to around 800 units. Not sure if it was more or less total, or for each region, but yeah. around 800. It's ridiculous asking $500 though. The higher pledge levels are a joke.
What was the first release called?
The "preorderers only because we suck at distribution" Edition, or something, right?
Nothing says awesome like having your first real public release be a reprint. Solid move there.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Keranu on November 06, 2012, 05:33:13 PM
They still have the originals, but at $69. I got it when they were $49. Inflation at its best!
It's not inflation, its f*cking stupid. It's clear they're going the route of Super Fighter Team and trying to turn this thing into a cash cow.
and TBH, outside of the nice artwork and cool looking characters, the game is pretty ho-hum. Nothing to write home about. I like the art alot. Though some of it, I'd swear I've seen in other games before.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: futureman2000 on November 07, 2012, 08:49:41 AM
Yeah, game itself was sort of meh. It was awesome that they made it, and I'll buy their next genesis game... But not something that needs a 6 platform release. Also skeptical that this won't interrupt other wm projects.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Burnt Lasagna on November 07, 2012, 09:37:24 AM
My favorite part though is the highest donator prize, which gets you an invite to their Paris party, BUT the donator must still pay for himself. In other words, buy us a party in Paris, and we'll be kind enough to invite you.
It looks like someone actually donated that much... They don't even tell you where this party is exactly. They just say "in Paris!". May I ask where in Paris?
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Black Tiger on November 07, 2012, 01:27:17 PM
Although I'm not interested in HD versions, I think it would be cool for them to do this (especially for Dreamcast) as a legitimate project. But although people in various forums, and the headline in the kickstarter say "it's coming to you in high definition for Xbox 360, PC, Mac, Linux & Sega Dreamcast!", the money counter section says "This project will only be funded if at least $139,000 is pledged by Wednesday Dec 5, 9:30am EST."
Watermelon has presented itself as a business and not just a group of fans making games for fun, so I think that the more products they make and any kind of reissues and ports are cool. But doing a kickstarter for something like this is not cool, especially for $140,000+. Since they operate like a business and proudly advertise how epic and professional their products are, then why not simply produce them and then let the sales make them rich? If they reach their goal of $140+k, are they just going to make it a digital only free download on all platforms for anyone who wants it?
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Pier Solar is the biggest 16-bit RPG ever and it's coming to you in high definition for Xbox 360, PC, Mac, Linux & Sega Dreamcast!
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The Biggest 16-bit RPG Ever! We released Pier Solar on a custom 64MEG cartridge (the average SEGA Mega Drive/Genesis game size is 12MEG), making it the biggest 16-bit RPG ever!
Are Watermelon not RPG fans or something? Star Ocean is around 100 megs, Tengai Makyou Zero is supposed to be between 130 - 150 megs and I'm sure that dozens of Sega-CD and PC Engine CD games are over 100 megs without CD audio. Maybe they are repeatedly mistyping "the biggest Sega Genesis/Mega Drive cartridge RPG ever!"?
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Bonknuts on November 07, 2012, 01:41:19 PM
Are Watermelon not RPG fans or something? Star Ocean is around 100 megs, Tengai Makyou Zero is supposed to be between 130 - 150 megs and I'm sure that dozens of Sega-CD and PC Engine CD games are over 100 megs without CD audio. Maybe they are repeatedly mistyping "the biggest Sega Genesis/Mega Drive cartridge RPG ever!"?
It's just sensationalism. And in that respect, it's not taken too seriously. One of my best friends in real life makes indie movies (quite a few of my friends do). He sold the distribution rights for NA to some company that put "more firepower than any other film in history" in the synopsis (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/36817/gunheavy/). Yeah, there's a lot of blasting, but it was pure bullshit. I see the same claim of PS in the same manner. Not to be taken too seriously.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 08, 2012, 02:02:28 AM
My favorite part though is the highest donator prize, which gets you an invite to their Paris party, BUT the donator must still pay for himself. In other words, buy us a party in Paris, and we'll be kind enough to invite you.
It looks like someone actually donated that much... They don't even tell you where this party is exactly. They just say "in Paris!". May I ask where in Paris?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris,_Kentucky
The whole thing is just dumb. They're making a mockery out of the whole homebrew thing. If you are going to kickstart, come up with a NEW idea. Don't kickstart a f*ckin HD remix of a mediocre, over hyped RPG that's been out for 2 years and has already caught enough flack for having a stupid launch.
IF they get funded, I bet they screw up the digital distribution process and hose a bunch of their loyalists with some kind of oversight.
FWIW, That Star Odyssey game was better.
.. aside from being published by a misinformed idiot.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Mathius on November 08, 2012, 02:14:21 AM
Tell us how you really feel, Ark. :P
Honestly, their biggest over sight with the original release was with the game itself. I played for what seemed like forever and I only leveled up twice. I remained at level 3 and got my ass handed to me any time I ventured beyond the starting area. I had already cleared that area too, so I was just grinding with no results.
Also, the sound issue pointed out by Joe Redifer is a real annoyance. I really hope they fix, or have fixed, the stereo sound in the game. Having the right side louder than the left side is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 08, 2012, 02:25:40 AM
I won't get into the SuperFighterTeam annoyance rant.
Pier Solar is a great looking game. I really like the character art and the overall aesthetic of the game.
The story? *shrug*. It feels like something thrown together as a Lunar homage by a bunch of 13 year olds.
The gameplay? It's fine. It's nothing to write home about, but it's nothing to stab someone about either. It's just RPG gameplay.
I'd give the game a 75-80ish/100.
The release itself of the game?
10/100.
30 points for getting it out.
They lose 10 points for the following:
Not having copies available at launch to anyone but the pre-orders Doing dumbass reprints instead of giving everyone the same product, thus creating more reprints than a 1970s D&D book. Who cares if you overshot the costs and took a loss. Don't f*ck your fans over. Dancing around the reasons why the reprints aren't in sweet boxes with color manuals like the original one LOL ENHANCED CD Saying the cartridge can't be dumped (It was) Saying their audio encoding can't be cracked or whatever (*wink wink*) The audio issue is annoying
The whole thing to me reeked of "We wanna get paid, f*ck you guys"
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 08, 2012, 03:03:50 AM
Why all the venom over this? The guys clearly worked pretty damn hard to put this game out. It may not be the best RPG on the planet but we're talking about what amounts to a semi-pro homebrew game. And people are willing to pay for it, in droves. Why wouldn't they want to make money off of this?
If you don't like it, don't support it. Simple as that.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 08, 2012, 03:59:33 AM
Why all the venom over this? The guys clearly worked pretty damn hard to put this game out. It may not be the best RPG on the planet but we're talking about what amounts to a semi-pro homebrew game. And people are willing to pay for it, in droves. Why wouldn't they want to make money off of this?
If you don't like it, don't support it. Simple as that.
Hi New Guy,
Were you around when the game was released? Were you present when team members said non pre-orderers didn't deserve the nice copy of the game? Were you around for the excuses/lies/dancing around the truth nonsense that followed the games original release? The idiotic fans that bad mouthed everyone and went unchecked by the team itself?
How about the team telling us to go ahead and use copied CD-Rs since the disc didn't work... followed by being told wait no, don't share the ISO of the Special You Don't Deserve This disc. Use our ISO we are providing instead. We took out all of the good stuff. Or whatever.
This isn't venom. This is pointing out obvious things. I didn't drink the Kool Aid.
Also, I bought the game and played through it.
and after seeing where Super Magic Watermelon Factory is heading, I will most likely not be buying anything else.
I don't support gimmick cash cow bullshit. It's exploiting the hype behind the game, and it's extremely cheesy from a team who originally was just some dudes on the internet making some RPG called "Tavern".
You know, people ARE allowed to express dissent. We don't need the boyscout shenanigans.
I'd be much more ecstatic about this kickstarter if it wasn't ANOTHER rehash of a game that isn't even 5 years old yet. FFS, do something different and get off the Pier Solar bandwagon. There will be more versions of PS than there will be other original titles from the group. That's dumb.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 08, 2012, 04:34:08 AM
Were you present when team members said non pre-orderers didn't deserve the nice copy of the game? Were you around for the excuses/lies/dancing around the truth nonsense that followed the games original release? The idiotic fans that bad mouthed everyone and went unchecked by the team itself?
How about the team telling us to go ahead and use copied CD-Rs since the disc didn't work... followed by being told wait no, don't share the ISO of the Special You Don't Deserve This disc. Use our ISO we are providing instead. We took out all of the good stuff. Or whatever.
This isn't venom. This is pointing out obvious things. I didn't drink the Kool Aid.
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You know, people ARE allowed to express dissent. We don't need the boyscout shenanigans.
I can't tell if you're trolling or if you're actually serious. You just sound like a chump ranting about everything like this. It's not that big of a deal - it's a free market. People supporting games like this (even if they're remakes) will only lead to more indie development. And hey, it might even net the developers a few bucks along the way.
Our hobby is becoming more mainstream, and there are people willing to pay premiums to get items like this. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 08, 2012, 04:48:11 AM
Free market has zero relevance to what I just "chump ranted" about.
Despite being around when the game released, you must not have been paying much attention to the comedy that ensued. Because yes, I am actually serious. These things happened. There was a huge thread here, and on other forums about it. Lots of discussion about the stupidity taking place on IRC in various channels. There was some direct pimpslapping to the faces of the people that supported or wanted to support the project. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
You've clearly missed the point. Deal with it.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Mathius on November 08, 2012, 07:44:03 AM
I hate it when I see two of my friends quibble. Come on. Group hug. :D
Jeff, the release of Pier Solar really had the height of stupidity labeled all over it. If WM was just straight with everyone, if they just told everyone the truth, there wouldn't be so many accusations pointed at them. I love what they did for the community. The inflated egos and pride really did a lot of damage though. :(
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: kazekirifx on November 08, 2012, 02:33:14 PM
I don't care how they botched the release. I'm always happy when indie developers release games for retro systems, and encourage it. They're not a professional game company, and I'm sympathetic when they make a few mistakes or miscalculations in the release details. If I'm not mistaken, they'd never attempted such a release before.
It's petty to complain about details when we're lucky that stuff like this exists at all.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Mathius on November 08, 2012, 02:41:34 PM
I don't care how they botched the release. I'm always happy when indie developers release games for retro systems, and encourage it. They're not a professional game company, and I'm sympathetic when they make a few mistakes or miscalculations in the release details. If I'm not mistaken, they'd never attempted such a release before.
It's petty to complain about details when we're lucky that stuff like this exists at all.
I am so glad that these guys got together to make this game. I hear where you are coming from. But, after the release of Pier Solar they had some issues with faulty discs (mine was one of them), and the sound in the game. Instead of just saying, "Hey we messed up" they danced around the issue and flat out told lies. I was there and saw what happened. It wasn't pretty.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 08, 2012, 06:20:29 PM
so the rom was dumped already? even if it was, do emulators even play it?
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: kazekirifx on November 08, 2012, 06:39:48 PM
But, after the release of Pier Solar they had some issues with faulty discs (mine was one of them), and the sound in the game. Instead of just saying, "Hey we messed up" they danced around the issue and flat out told lies. I was there and saw what happened. It wasn't pretty.
That sucks I guess. They didn't do anything to fix it in the end?
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Burnt Lasagna on November 09, 2012, 01:06:15 AM
so the rom was dumped already? even if it was, do emulators even play it?
Yeah, the ROM was dumped and can be emulated in Genesis Plus GX. Genesis Plus GX also has Mode 1 support for Genesis games that use the Sega CD for extra music/content/whatever, so the enhanced music CD even works.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 09, 2012, 03:22:21 AM
I get that you've got this whole eccentric-internet-guy schtick going on here on PCEFX. You just don't need to be a prick when I bring up a simple counter-argument.
I get the argument that they should have provided better support, but I think people blow things out of proportion when it comes to indie devs, especially when they're pumping out projects like Pier Solar and having to tend to their regular lives/jobs/etc at the same time. Let them make some bucks if people are willing to pay is my point.
Done arguing - happy friday everyone.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: geise on November 09, 2012, 03:46:10 AM
One thing you should realize about members here is no one is ever done arguing.! O:)
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 09, 2012, 04:23:31 AM
I get that you've got this whole eccentric-internet-guy schtick going on here on PCEFX. You just don't need to be a prick when I bring up a simple counter-argument.
It doesn't surprise me that you've convinced yourself this is how I act only on this forum. It falls in line with the rest of your "I'm not fully informed" mannerism in this thread. It'd do you well to educate yourself before coming into a thread with boyscout viewpoints and retarded assumptions about the people posting.
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I get the argument that they should have provided better support, but I think people blow things out of proportion when it comes to indie devs, especially when they're pumping out projects like Pier Solar and having to tend to their regular lives/jobs/etc at the same time. Let them make some bucks if people are willing to pay is my point.
Support? #-o You still don't get it. This isn't about support. Let me lay it out for you since you're still not getting it.
1) Original public release never happened. Pony up the cash in advance or you're screwed! 2) Team members insulted upset fans who never even got a chance to buy the game 3) Lies ensued about the project 4) Corny reprint edition was released while some lies still ensued about the disc, and the reason for the crappy edition costing MORE than the cool one. 5) Truth came out. Way too late. Should have happened after step 1 so that steps 2 thru 5 never occurred.
It's clear you just got your copy in the mail and stopped giving a f*ck about what was going on with PS. I don't operate like that, and nor do a lot of people who like to stay informed about the homebrew scene.
It's common sense that you should be extremely upfront with the people throwing money at you to buy your games you work on.
If there's a problem, fix it ASAP. If you made a mistake, admit it. Don't make shit up and just roll with it until shit hits the fan. Above all else, don't insult the fans. Your ego isn't that important.
That's how I do it for the games *I* work on and sell to people. Everyone who cares is always in the know about Aetherbyte.
However, these simple common sense things have NOTHING to do with indie development specifically.
Also, indie development for dead consoles isn't about getting paid. Anyone who does it specifically to make $$ can get bent.
So, it's cool that they're trying to go current since it was clear awhile ago that they're really into turning this into some obnoxious business adventure complete with investment by fans...
but, it isn't cool that they're STILL beating the Pier Solar horse dead.
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Done arguing - happy friday everyone.
You never really started, but I appreciate the effort.
Can't wait to hear your reply.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Duo_R on November 09, 2012, 08:09:07 AM
I looked at the versions available to purchase...then was like cool I will get the digital version for $15 for Xbox. Then I scrolled and saw more options and was like O_O and now not really sure if I want to spend more money on this lol. I should really just beat the Genesis version first maybe? =)
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: bartre on November 09, 2012, 10:43:48 AM
I looked at the versions available to purchase...then was like cool I will get the digital version for $15 for Xbox. Then I scrolled and saw more options and was like O_O and now not really sure if I want to spend more money on this lol. I should really just beat the Genesis version first maybe? =)
I would say yes, but for some reason they decided to raise the price on copies of the 3rd print. imo, if you like DLC, just get the 360 version.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Black Tiger on November 09, 2012, 11:16:24 AM
I'd pay $15 for an unrestricted rom of the Genesis version.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 09, 2012, 01:30:56 PM
It's hard to find, but it is still available online (the romz)
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Duo_R on November 09, 2012, 04:26:28 PM
Is there a restricted ROM on the Internet? Lol
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arm on November 10, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
Pier Solar HD will include the full original MD version as an unlockable.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Black Tiger on November 10, 2012, 05:24:38 AM
It's designed so that emulators won't play it. Only one emulator variant is said to be able to. I've also heard that the authors of some emulators will not update their emulators to support Pier Solar as a favor to Watermelon.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: BlueBMW on November 10, 2012, 06:02:44 AM
It's designed so that emulators won't play it. Only one emulator variant is said to be able to. I've also heard that the authors of some emulators will not update their emulators to support Pier Solar as a favor to Watermelon.
I suppose once watermelon proves to be more of a company and less of a group of homebrewers, emulator writers may reconsider and give them the same treatment they give normal game companies. IE, write the emulators to run it.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: SuperDeadite on November 10, 2012, 06:27:04 AM
The thing about this game that really gets under my skin is that they are clearly milking it for all it's worth, but still playing the "oh i'm just a poor indi dev" card. Wa$er$elon no longer cares about pleasing anyone as long as he gets paid. Stop pretending you are doing something for the community, when you clearly don't give a f*ck.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 10, 2012, 09:51:06 AM
The thing about this game that really gets under my skin is that they are clearly milking it for all it's worth, but still playing the "oh i'm just a poor indi dev" card. Wa$er$elon no longer cares about pleasing anyone as long as he gets paid. Stop pretending you are doing something for the community, when you clearly don't give a f*ck.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: esteban on November 10, 2012, 12:40:32 PM
I don't care about Pier Solar.
You guys are wasting your time on this.
Please focus your time and energy on something worthwhile...such as the fact that Timeball is one of the most unappreciated games for our beloved console.
That is all. http://junk.tg-16.com/audio/ICFTD/Sea_of_Love_Full_Version_TurboGrafx_CD.mp3
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 10, 2012, 01:36:13 PM
CD+G?
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: esteban on November 11, 2012, 07:46:41 AM
Yes, I pre-pre-ordered Pier Solar (I think I was one of the first 10-15 orders) and I received a soundtrack CD that is TRULY enhanced. CD+Graphics (CD+G). When I play the CD in Sega-CD, preliminary sketches of the characters from Pier Solar are displayed as the music plays. It's pretty kool. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 11, 2012, 08:50:57 AM
CD+G just refers to when you play it in a computer or compatible device (JVC X'EYE plays CD+G audio discs), you get scrolling images/graphics when a certain track is playing. Sort of an older style music video.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 14, 2012, 09:33:34 PM
Are Watermelon not RPG fans or something? Star Ocean is around 100 megs
Star Ocean is only a wimpy 48 MEGA POWER. Still smaller than Pier Solar.
The uncompressed rom is 100megs. Yes, there is an uncompressed rom out there because emulators at the time didn't support the additional hardware on the cart and because people where making repros for translated game.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: bartre on November 15, 2012, 11:43:28 AM
Are Watermelon not RPG fans or something? Star Ocean is around 100 megs
Star Ocean is only a wimpy 48 MEGA POWER. Still smaller than Pier Solar.
The uncompressed rom is 100megs. Yes, there is an uncompressed rom out there because emulators at the time didn't support the additional hardware on the cart and because people where making repros for translated game.
Just my $.02, but the repros portion of your argument is invalid. I've never actually looked at the rom, but provided it didn't use any other advanced hardware, that would mean that the largest eprom the system would support holds only 1 meg of data, meaning you'd have to wire up some ridiculous 100 eprom cart roughly the size of "yo' momma's ass."
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Bonknuts on November 15, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
^ I'm not arguing anything. Just stating some facts. And both repros and people making their own carts so they can play it on the real system (i.e. hacking donor carts that don't have the original hardware). Also, it's 100megabits uncompressed (not megabytes).
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: bartre on November 15, 2012, 08:04:54 PM
okay, so 12.5 megabytes. it's still ridiculous to think that would fit into a snes cart shell. hell, it's hilarious to see how people have done tales of phantasia SNES carts without TSOP, and that's 6 megabytes
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 16, 2012, 05:14:37 AM
I have Star Ocean for SFC.
Its awesome.
Just saying.
cause, Star Ocean.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 16, 2012, 05:16:25 AM
also 18 days and 40,000 jiggadollars to go.
Will they make it in time?
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 16, 2012, 09:52:23 AM
But it IS compressed. Why is Star Ocean the only game we care about the uncompressed size? Many other games use compression. Oh and it's 96 MEGA POWER uncompressed. Playing through it as I am now, it sure doesn't seem like even 48 MEGA POWER. Maybe all of the Star Trek references (and the game could pass for a Star Trek game) take up all the ROMS.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Black Tiger on November 19, 2012, 12:16:08 AM
But it IS compressed. Why is Star Ocean the only game we care about the uncompressed size? Many other games use compression. Oh and it's 96 MEGA POWER uncompressed. Playing through it as I am now, it sure doesn't seem like even 48 MEGA POWER. Maybe all of the Star Trek references (and the game could pass for a Star Trek game) take up all the ROMS.
Because like Tengai Makyou Zero, it uses add-on hardware compression and isn't like a regular cart game that uncompresses some graphics using only the console cpu. If you were to uncompress everything in a regular 16 meg cart game, chances are it would only be as much as 18 - 20 megs. That's not counting any space SNES samples save using adpcm samples over the pcm (or whatever) samples that are used in Genesis games. But there's no way that the SNES cpu is uncompressing cart games douhle the rom size. If it could, those two RPGs wouldn't require the additional hardware. Maybe Street Fighter Alpha 2 used add-on hardware partially to prevent piracy because of its popularity. But I don't think that entered into the decision to do hardware compression for those RPGs.
As for the content of Star Ocean, you'll have to play through it something like 100 different ways to see it all. Tengai Makyou Zero certainly has a lot of artwork in it for a cart game.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 19, 2012, 03:25:29 AM
inb4they take out a 32,000$ loan to get this thing going and then rip everyone off to break even.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Bonknuts on November 19, 2012, 11:09:06 AM
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But it IS compressed. Why is Star Ocean the only game we care about the uncompressed size?
Because it's double the original size? I dunno. I just know that someone hacked the original rom to run the uncompressed data since the hardware on the cart wasn't emulated in like.. forEVER. So the game got a reputation for being the largest SNES cart/game.
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Many other games use compression.
According to the internet, they apparently aren't as impressive as this game's compressed assets. The compression is impressive... or it's impressive compression ... or it's impressive in compression... or it's compressed impressiveness. Either way, I'm just stating some info on why people boast about the size of the game content. We can only imagine what PS size is uncompressed.
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Oh and it's 96 MEGA POWER uncompressed.
Semantics. Close enough.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 20, 2012, 01:48:10 AM
Compressed or not, it's still not as good as Star Ocean.
I'd take one T-Bone steak over 10 compressed salisbury ones.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 20, 2012, 05:52:30 AM
I think i want the DLC version. Question is will it be cheaper when released for download?
No, probably not. They'll claim that their download is of the highest quality and that the bits used are produced by a titanium fusion generator, so you'll be getting the best bits ever, hence 89.99$ for a digital download.
and then they will say it's not-crackable, and someone will crack it anyways and pass it around for free.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 27, 2012, 07:44:45 AM
The digital copy is at $15 for Xbox and PC/Linux/Mac. I don't see where it says $90.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 27, 2012, 07:45:45 AM
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 27, 2012, 04:26:18 PM
sweet
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 27, 2012, 06:02:17 PM
I bet they pledged some of their own cash to push it over the edge and get the green light. Probably by rolling their gem-scam funds into the mix.
:)
AH WELL.
Like we didn't expect this kind of thing. Too bad they don't have the balls to port it to the PCE. :)
I can't wait to see all of the problems that arise due to overconfidence and underestimation.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arm on November 29, 2012, 06:37:05 AM
The sum of $150000 has been reached. Stretched goals have appeared since yesterday.
145k - Japanese Translation: Pier Solar HD now translated in Japanese, on every single platform! DONE 150k - Dreamcast Extras: 16x9 Widescreen support, VMU integration, VGA support: We are sweetening up the Dreamcast version with everything we can think of! VGA will look stunning, and with 16x9 support it will be the perfect match. We aren't leaving out anything and thats why your VMU will be integrated with Pier Solar! DONE
160k - Pier Solar HD Directors Cut: We are going to add in tons of stuff we left out of the final version of Pier Solar due to technical limitations on the original SEGA Mega Drive/Genesis cartridge. We're talking tons of new sidequests, mini games, and never-before-heard songs!
175k - Pier Solar HD for Android & OUYA: Pier Solar HD for Android devices and the OUYA!
200k - Pier Solar HD for Wii U: Pier Solar HD for the Nintendo Wii U!
edit: The video crashes FireFox everytime I try to watch it.
Also, does the Watermelon Game Factory have a special device that lets them just pick a system and press a button and get a version for it? It took forever to release the Genesis one, and now its going to be on Xbox 360, Dreamcast, PC/MAX/Linux (which I can only assume will use Allegro, or some other easy cross platform library), and possibly the Wii U?
Seems awfully ambitious considering they even botched the MegaDrive one pretty good.
How do we know these cost estimates are even correct? What if they claim all this crap, take all this money, and drop the ball again, on a way larger scale?
That would blow.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arm on November 29, 2012, 07:24:37 AM
I don't know much about programming but the original game has been reprogrammed to run on each of the hardwares. It's not an emu and rom that will be included with the HD version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-1hj4THAyw
For the remake, as there are a lot of maps in this game, the assets are being redone by several people in order to be completed within 1 year. They asked me to handle the hd art for the characters and the cutscenes so as to remain faithful to the original designs that I had done back then.
As for the wiiu cost, you'll have to ask on their forum because I don't know that much. :)
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 29, 2012, 07:50:57 AM
I'm aware its not an emulator. I just think its a bit of a crapshoot to whore yourself out so much to so many systems.
I also don't even want to go bother asking wtf they're doing with the Wii U. I lost interest in their forums when they said people don't deserve nice copies of their games unless they paid way the f*ck in advance.
I'd rather just watch the fireworks when their over ambitious, ego filled project faceplants again.
I bet they will lie about the errors again too.
Pier Solar and the Great CashCows!
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: futureman2000 on November 29, 2012, 08:14:26 AM
Yeah, and the game was cool running on Genesis hardware, with its limitations. Playing the same game on a WiiU one would have to wonder- shouldn't more thought have gone into these dungeon designs, fight mechanics, equipment balancing...
Anyway, I hope the investors remember that Kickstarter is not a store. http://hive.slate.com/hive/made-america-how-reinvent-american-manufacturing/article/quotkickstarter-is-not-a-storequot
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 29, 2012, 08:53:24 AM
Yeah.
I also can't wait for the inevitable overconfidence related errors and problems that make the project stall and piss people off.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 29, 2012, 12:30:51 PM
"After 2 years, 3 prints, and 8 versions of Pier Solar for the SEGA Mega Drive & SEGA Genesis - we are pleased to announce we have been hard at work on releasing Pier Solar in HD for Xbox 360, PC, Mac, Linux & SEGA Dreamcast. "
god f*cking damn.
People have to be retarded, I swear.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: BlueBMW on November 29, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
My trouble is this.... if I ever do decide to actually play Pier Solar (which I have not, though i have a bullsh$&# reprint edition genny cart) I would love to play it on Dreamcast. Now if I dont fund through kickstarter for a DC copy of the game, are they going to be asshats and do the whole reprint DC edition or not even sell any more copies at all? I dont want to support them, but it feels like if I want to ever have the option to get the game on Dreamcast I basically need to "buy" it now through their kickstarter or forever be screwed / gouged for it.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Mathius on November 29, 2012, 01:19:05 PM
My trouble is this.... if I ever do decide to actually play Pier Solar (which I have not, though i have a bullsh$&# reprint edition genny cart) I would love to play it on Dreamcast. Now if I dont fund through kickstarter for a DC copy of the game, are they going to be asshats and do the whole reprint DC edition or not even sell any more copies at all? I dont want to support them, but it feels like if I want to ever have the option to get the game on Dreamcast I basically need to "buy" it now through their kickstarter or forever be screwed / gouged for it.
I want to play this on my DC (hopefully with the bugs fixed/rebalanced leveling) which is why I funded them through KS. It would be a very grim shame if they only offer this via the user funding them. Unlike most of the people offering their $$ I just want to play it. I bet the majority of people funding are ebayers.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 29, 2012, 02:54:34 PM
Its likely that they'll only fund the people who pledge, and f*ck everyone else over.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: BlueBMW on November 29, 2012, 03:23:20 PM
Its likely that they'll only fund the people who pledge, and f*ck everyone else over.
This is precisely what Im afraid of... give the f*cktards money or get f*cked later. Its a damn shame.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 29, 2012, 03:50:00 PM
I can see it happening. Followed by being told you don't deserve it if you didn't preorder.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: storino03 on November 29, 2012, 06:59:06 PM
Nah, I'm sure they will make it available later on, whether it's a reprint of what was available on kickstarter (by labelling it that), or some other method to distinguish the versions.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Necromancer on November 30, 2012, 02:32:21 AM
Agreed - those guys ain't gonna leave money on the table and pass on a chance to sell yet another reprint. And even if they do, there's always CDRs.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 30, 2012, 02:51:01 AM
Nah, I'm sure they will make it available later on, whether it's a reprint of what was available on kickstarter (by labelling it that), or some other method to distinguish the versions.
Yeah. That's what they like to do. Reprint the living shit out of it to make it seem like it's some hot-as-f*ck item.
When really, they could have just produced a lot the first time around.
The cost to go from 300 to 500 discs for example, is like 30$.
They will of course print the bare ass minimum, sell out and go OMG WERE THE BIGGEST, BESTEST EVER. LETS REPRINT!!1!!!2
then they will take peoples money, reprint it with some hokey ass shit all over the box and then do it again
and again
and again
IMO, They are now worse than SFT in terms of sheer stupidity.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arm on November 30, 2012, 09:13:00 AM
$165k reached O:)
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on November 30, 2012, 09:14:39 AM
They will of course print the bare ass minimum, sell out and go OMG WERE THE BIGGEST, BESTEST EVER. LETS REPRINT!!1!!!2
then they will take peoples money, reprint it with some hokey ass shit all over the box and then do it again
and again
and again
Again - it's their project. If they can sell copies, let them sell copies. I fail to see how this affects you directly. If you don't like it don't buy it and stop whining about it.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 30, 2012, 10:10:33 AM
Can you post something else besides update propaganda for the enemy?
This made me LOL.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arm on November 30, 2012, 10:54:35 AM
Ok, I stop. :-"
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: TheClash603 on December 01, 2012, 07:45:20 AM
The Homebrew scene is like the Occupy Movement of the gaming world.
EA / Activision is the other side of that equation, the rich a$$hole guys that no one likes.
Pier Solar has decided to join ranks with the evil empire and they deserve all of the shit they are taking.
They have essentially turned into a publicly funded company, but what is worse is that those who are funding the company don't get back what they are putting in. Those funding get no shares to sell, instead they get some lame ass poster, basically it is a scam. Exploitation of a few schmucks that want to play a new Dreamcast RPG. If anything, this makes these guys WORSE than the likes of EA and Activision.
With that said, this is a free country and Pier Solar's developers can do whatever they want to do. However, since this is a free country, I hope they get blasted for their decision. LET THEM EAT CAKE!
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on December 02, 2012, 05:27:08 PM
Can you post something else besides pissing and moaning about 'em? We get it, you don't like them.
Can you post something besides the usual contrary to be contrary post?
Besides, my "pissing and moaning" has resulted in conversation here...and in the shoutbox, which you too were a part of, numbnuts. :)
heck, it even made Joe laugh. f*ck yeah. :dance:
My point though is I wish Arm would post something besides Pier Solar HD updates, or Super Battle Kid 9000 updates. All I ever see Arm post is stuff like that anymore. Why not talk about cool shit, like the PCE, or something?
Again - it's their project. If they can sell copies, let them sell copies. I fail to see how this affects you directly. If you don't like it don't buy it and stop whining about it.
Grats on missing the point as usual, dude.
I'd like to meet whoever initiated the "If you don't like it, stop complaining" mentality in the hearts and minds of humanity. It's quite possibly one of the stupidest concepts ever. Nothing ever gets better if everyone just sits and keeps quiet.
OH YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SOME COMPANY IS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF AND SCAMMING ABOUT? TOUGH SHIT, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT STOP WHINING.
f*ck that. Don't tell me what I can and can't bitch about.
Anyway:
Reprint upon reprint does the following:
1) It screws up the value of the games and makes the secondary market a wreck, which in turn screws over average joe gamers that just want to try the frigging game. 2) It makes a mockery out of the entire homebrew concept. Your reprint probably didn't need to exist, you just failed to produce the required amount due to miscalculations or ignorance. 3) It results in false hype and false demand. 4) It allows for this entire kickstarter that is basically milking money out of the loyal fanbase to exist and continue to make a mockery out of the homebrew concept.
I get that Pier Solar is super popular. It's got a hype wave that's bigger than Tommy Lee's dong. That's cool. I'm thrilled for them. That's what happens when you spend 8 years making a game and leave people waiting for it.
I am just extremely disappointed to see them turning their simple Tavern RPG into such a commercialized mess. They kind of bitch slapped everyone upon the original release, so this is just comical.
They basically pulled a Green Day.
I hope their over confident shenanigans pay off, only for the sake of the people who dumped all the money into the project. They don't deserve to lose money to vaporware and lies.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: esteban on December 02, 2012, 05:43:59 PM
Can you post something else besides pissing and moaning about 'em? We get it, you don't like them.
Can you post something besides the usual contrary to be contrary post?
Besides, my "pissing and moaning" has resulted in conversation here...and in the shoutbox, which you too were a part of, numbnuts. :)
heck, it even made Joe laugh. f*ck yeah. :dance:
My point though is I wish Arm would post something besides Pier Solar HD updates, or Super Battle Kid 9000 updates. All I ever see Arm post is stuff like that anymore. Why not talk about cool shit, like the PCE, or something?
Again - it's their project. If they can sell copies, let them sell copies. I fail to see how this affects you directly. If you don't like it don't buy it and stop whining about it.
Grats on missing the point as usual, dude.
I'd like to meet whoever initiated the "If you don't like it, stop complaining" mentality in the hearts and minds of humanity. It's quite possibly one of the stupidest concepts ever. Nothing ever gets better if everyone just sits and keeps quiet.
OH YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SOME COMPANY IS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF AND SCAMMING ABOUT? TOUGH SHIT, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT STOP WHINING.
f*ck that. Don't tell me what I can and can't bitch about.
Anyway:
Reprint upon reprint does the following:
1) It screws up the value of the games and makes the secondary market a wreck, which in turn screws over average joe gamers that just want to try the frigging game. 2) It makes a mockery out of the entire homebrew concept. Your reprint probably didn't need to exist, you just failed to produce the required amount due to miscalculations or ignorance. 3) It results in false hype and false demand. 4) It allows for this entire kickstarter that is basically milking money out of the loyal fanbase to exist and continue to make a mockery out of the homebrew concept.
I get that Pier Solar is super popular. It's got a hype wave that's bigger than Tommy Lee's dong. That's cool. I'm thrilled for them. That's what happens when you spend 8 years making a game and leave people waiting for it.
I am just extremely disappointed to see them turning their simple Tavern RPG into such a commercialized mess. They kind of bitch slapped everyone upon the original release, so this is just comical.
They basically pulled a Green Day.
I hope their over confident shenanigans pay off, only for the sake of the people who dumped all the money into the project. They don't deserve to lose money to vaporware and lies.
You are too vague. Please elaborate. Thank you.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on December 02, 2012, 06:49:43 PM
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 06, 2012, 10:59:53 AM
Getting back to the Pier Solar is the "biggest 16-bit RPG" thing, the sound programmer (not composer) said that the game would be around 120 megabits if uncompressed. So biggest 16-bit cart RPG. I wonder how big some CD RPGs would be if all of the voice, FMV and all of that stuff were removed.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Arkhan on December 07, 2012, 05:37:58 AM
They'd be 119.9 MB, so PEER LUNAR WINS.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Black Tiger on December 07, 2012, 06:01:27 AM
Getting back to the Pier Solar is the "biggest 16-bit RPG" thing, the sound programmer (not composer) said that the game would be around 120 megabits if uncompressed. So biggest 16-bit cart RPG. I wonder how big some CD RPGs would be if all of the voice, FMV and all of that stuff were removed.
Tengai Makyou Zero is still supposed to be bigger uncompressed. 16-bit was still the generation that CDs took off in and it was CD RPGs that made the PCE number one. Quest 64 may be the bigfest RPG (cart) of its generation, but it shouldn't be marketed as the biggest RPG of that generation.
If you were to strip all that stuff away, then you should also strip away all the superfluous stuff that pad cart RPGs. Pier Solar for example is supposed to pull off the Mode 7 scenes by using a bunch of space for prerendered code and could have been even more impressive if more space was given to it. If that's true, then it's the equivalent of fmv.
Either way, even the Genesis had CD RPGs and Lunar EB is massive. 16-bit CD RPGs weren't just cart gsmes with cinemas, voice and CD music either. Many have the kind of in-game content that you won't find in cart RPGs.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 16, 2015, 01:31:44 PM
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: Mathius on November 16, 2015, 01:55:01 PM
My DC version came as well. Since you can't press GD-ROMs anymore they had to use CD-ROM which some DC models won't play. Mine was a launch model so luckily it did.
Title: Re: Pier Solar HD
Post by: xelement5x on November 17, 2015, 01:48:37 AM
For anyone else interested, there are several pictures of all the swag in the collector's edition here: http://www.magicalgamefactory.com/en/boards/pier-solar-about_5/Reprint--and-DC-release-today-_13724/?from=950