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NEC PC-Engine/SuperGrafx => PC Engine/SuperGrafx Discussion => Topic started by: nodtveidt on March 14, 2006, 01:25:34 AM
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I believe I heard about this on the bonus disc that came with Lunar: Silver Star Story. But I'd never actually seen it until now...the original version of the CF2 Babette-Robert scene (no idea what they're called in the Japanese version) where Babette gets all kinds of pissed off. If you haven't seen it, I took some screenies just now, so here's what the original version looks like:
(http://www.nodtveidt.net/vulgar-babette.gif)
I can sorta see why they censored it, especially considering the era. :D
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Nice pic. It would be the perfect flame war deterrent.
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ha! this is good stuff :)
Doea anyone else also think that her finger / hand looks odd (i.e. distorted)?
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I knew of this from that Lunar disc too and if you look at the back case of the Japanese version of CF2, it actually has a screenshot of that part.
And yes, Steve, I did always think her hand looked a little distorted in that scene too.
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why has no one used that picture as their avatar yet?
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I thought nod was going to switch to that one for sure :lol: .
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Nah, it's too big...would hurt the forum's layout. I dunno 'bout anyone else but I hate seeing the left pane about a third of the way into the screen. :D
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Nah, it's too big...would hurt the forum's layout. I dunno 'bout anyone else but I hate seeing the left pane about a third of the way into the screen. :D
Actually, 80x80 is the max size. Any bigger than that is not possible.
By the way, your current avatar really looks like that picture. Same artist/game?
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Same game. :D
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Nah, it's too big...would hurt the forum's layout. I dunno 'bout anyone else but I hate seeing the left pane about a third of the way into the screen. :D
Ahh, yes, I agree. For the good of the board then, unless you want to distort it by shrinking it's width, but that could be ugly ;) .
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Man I really thought this was gonna be the shower scene without the strategically placed steam.
Hey, Cosmic Fantasy is a Telnet game right? :lol:
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Same game. :D
? Isn't that what's his face from Exile? So, that'd be the same company, but, not the same game, unless I totally can't remember him in CF2??
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I believe those posts were referring to when nod had a avatar of Van from CF2, not his current one from Exile.
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:oops:
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Hey, Cosmic Fantasy is a Telnet game right? :lol:
Yep. :D
And the steam is the same in the Japanese version...it's just as "censored" as the US version. (Of course, I could always do a little Photoshop magic...)
Speaking of recent comparisons...I might play thru the Japanese version of CF2 and do a detailed comparison like I did with Exile...although a good knowledge of Japanese helps (all the items are in Japanese as well, so I gotta keep a lil journal of what means what), I'm pretty sure I can handle it. :D
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Hey, Cosmic Fantasy is a Telnet game right? :lol:
Yep. :D
And the steam is the same in the Japanese version...it's just as "censored" as the US version. (Of course, I could always do a little Photoshop magic...)
Speaking of recent comparisons...I might play thru the Japanese version of CF2 and do a detailed comparison like I did with Exile...although a good knowledge of Japanese helps (all the items are in Japanese as well, so I gotta keep a lil journal of what means what), I'm pretty sure I can handle it. :D
Go for it! :)
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Actually, the steam is different, you can see her pepperoni's, I used to have the Jp version, I think I sold it :roll: Oh well. But WD did indeed add steam to the shower scene, I've seen it with my own 3 eyes.
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With how risque and how much they talk abotu the infamous shower scene i am really suprised that there aren't any screen shots of it floating around...
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I've seen it online before, I have a burn, but it ain't working, so currently, I'm farting around, trying to rip all the data files, & see if I can get them running with the US audio files, & see if that makes a difference in getting the Jp version to run. If anyone has the Jp version, the code is "hold 1+2+up+select+run as the game loads"
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I have the Jap version and from what I saw, it's absolutely no different. I'll run it again though, just to be sure.
Erm...pepperonis? She makes pizza? In space? Killer. :D
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Nothing better then space pizza! They also show them in CF4 P.2 from what I recall.
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Erm...sorry, but CF2 Japanese is just as censored as the US release. This is yet another Working Designs urban legend, it seems.
USA version:
(http://www.nodtveidt.net/showerscene-usa.png)
Japanese version (sorry the water got into the scene on the top part):
(http://www.nodtveidt.net/showerscene-jap.png)
Now this would be an EASY Photoshop edit (to make her fully nude, I mean)...but alas, the pics are identical in their purest forms.
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She really seems to enjoy that shower, eh?
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She really seems to enjoy that shower, eh?
I know I am :lol:
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Erm...sorry, but CF2 Japanese is just as censored as the US release. This is yet another Working Designs urban legend, it seems.
Yet *another* myth revealed! Man, you should have a show called "mythbusters" (well, we need a better name since this title is taken). Seriously, though, I've heard this myth a zillion times. Again, it was stupid internet forums where I heard it -- from folks I trusted.
nodtveidt, you're kickin' butt.
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Myth busted!
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Um, I guess the Visual Collection is different then. I'm about to bust your myth bust :D
(http://pd.nodtveidt.net/CD_3588E277-023.png)
(http://pd.nodtveidt.net/CD_3588E277-024.png)
(http://pd.nodtveidt.net/CD_3588E277-025.png)
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So, what do you think of them apples.......er, pepperoni's? And why is yours so much darker then mine? BTW, if you want, I can provide you(Nod) with the CF Visual Collection, so atleast one person doesn't think I'm crazy, but, I think atleast both Nod & Keranu know, I'm not real computer savvy, & I don't even have photoshop, atleast, I think I don't.
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Wow, that's supremely interesting that the Visual Collection has that scene uncensored!
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They must have recolored that scene for the visual collection as well. Now we need a side by side comparison thread for the visual collection vs. the in-game scenes.
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You know what, I wonder if anyone here has Cosmic Fantasy Stories for Mega CD, I'd be intersted to know what the cinema is like in that one. Maybe that uncensored is from that?? But that'd still be wierd, since the visual collection was on the Turbo, not the Mega CD. As for the colors, is it maybe possible that Nod just had the settings differently in the brightness, it also seems wierd if they recolored it, but I guess stranger things have happened.
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Um, I guess the Visual Collection is different then. I'm about to bust your myth bust :D
Great find PD (I didn't even know there was a CF Visual Collection)!
But your new revelation doesn't bust nod's mythbust. A visual collection is an entirely different beast than the games themselves -- and thus, WD did not censor CF2's shower scene when it was localized.
As for the difference in the quality of the images: there are many different factors that could account for why your pics are different than nod's (from the method used to capture the image, to the method for compressing the image, etc.).
Personally, I think it would have been best if the PCE game had the nudity, but with a tranparent / translucent layer of steam and water obscuring it. This provides the best of both worlds, IMO.
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That looks extremely poor. Are your Cosmic Fantasy Visual Collection legit? Or did you get it through mystical means? Maybe it's hacked? Sure looks unprofessional at least.
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It's a burn from a friend, whom I'm going to be buying the original off of anyways, but he lives in Idaho, so, I can't just walk down the street & get it from him. I'm also getting the Valis Visual Collection, & a Neo Geo CD player with a crap load of games, & more, but, it's the real deal, & he has no clue how to even use an emulator, or pretty much any computer program, aside from the basics, so, it couldn't have been hacked. He would've had to rip it onto his computer, which he doesn't know how to do, & then hack it somehow, so, uh yeah. I know it doesn't totally bust Nod's proof, I said that just to make a wierd statement(bust your myth bust), because I'm a nutbar!
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I hadn't altered the colours or anything, that's exactly how ME displayed the images, and how I remember them from playing on actual hardware anyways, so they're fine. The Visual Collection version is clearly coloured differently.
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I hadn't altered the colours or anything, that's exactly how ME displayed the images, and how I remember them from playing on actual hardware anyways, so they're fine. The Visual Collection version is clearly coloured differently.
I think the method PD used to capture and save his images accounts for the different aesthetics. PD's images look like overexposed versions of the images you posted.
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All I did was take a picture with backspace. :? Maybe I have my gamma higher, or whatever, it's not the kind of stuff I know too much about. But, maybe when I have time, I'll take a picture of the US version, & see if colorwise, it looks the same.
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Well the later cosmic fantasy games like part 4 had nipples in them, so maybe when they released the visual collection they decided to grow some balls and redo the old scenes like they originally wanted to or something. Didn't the visual collection come out right before or after part 4?
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Well the later cosmic fantasy games like part 4 had nipples in them, so maybe when they released the visual collection they decided to grow some balls and redo the old scenes like they originally wanted to or something. Didn't the visual collection come out right before or after part 4?
This sounds reasonable -- according to PCECP, the Visual Collection came out a few months after CF3.... which was a LONG time before CF4 part 1 came out. So, I think the Visual Collection was realeased to take advantage of the success of the first three games. Maybe Telenet realized that they could really improve their sales by offering an EXCLUSIVE uncensored nudie scene in the Visual Collection. Otherwise, why would folks who already owned the CF games buy the visual collection?
Companies do this sort of thing all the time. How many of you have re-purchased a movie on DVD when the letterbox version comes out? Or purchased the re-pressing of an album because they added some b-sides to the track list as a bonus? Companies love to double-dip like this, since they know that the more ardent fanbase will want the extra-goodies.
Whether or not Telenet did this is utter speculation, of course :), but it seems reasonable as far as I am concerned.
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The CF visual collection, actually only has CF 1 & 2 on it. I'd think they would've added 3 as well, since it came out after. Intersting thing though, I never noticed that the booklet on it, actually says Vol. 1! So, I guess there was going to be atleast a 2nd, but I wonder how much of it ever came to fruition, if anything.
I know that the Valis Visual Collection, which I also have a burn of, & am going to buy off my friend, has 2-4 on it. And from what I can tell, it doesn't have anything changed in it, but, I'd have to take a really indepth look thru it when I get a chance.
I'm still hoping someone will see this thread, that has CF Stories, & can maybe shed some light, as to what that particular cinema looks like in there. It might be, that they had the pepperoni's in that version. Maybe I should pick that game up. I think I have a burn somewhere, but, it'd be nice to have the real thing.
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I own CF Stories actually. If anyone knows of a debug code in this game like in CF2, I could check it out.
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I own CF Stories actually. If anyone knows of a debug code in this game like in CF2, I could check it out.
CF Stories? What's that?
I only have CF 2 and 3. Wish I could play 3, but maybe I will now that there's an FAQ up.
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Cosmic Fantasy Stories is CF1 and 2 combined in one big game for Mega CD. I was kind of hoping that it would let you choose between CF1 and CF2 in the game, but it doesn't seem to let you.
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That's kind of cool, though it's strange they wouldn't let you choose. I didn't think CF1 was even set on the same planet.
Come to think of it, the Sega/Mega CD has a lot of Turbo games. Dungeon Explorer, CF 1/2, Sherlock Holmes, Lords of Thunder. I need to pick up one of those Feka CD systems.
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That's kind of cool, though it's strange they wouldn't let you choose. I didn't think CF1 was even set on the same planet.
Come to think of it, the Sega/Mega CD has a lot of Turbo games. Dungeon Explorer, CF 1/2, Sherlock Holmes, Lords of Thunder. I need to pick up one of those Feka CD systems.
Dude, you realize that you'll need to purchase a Genesis console *in addition* to a SegaCD, right?
I'm just looking out for you. Feka has been known to mislead trusting folks like yourself ;)
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Why we released Sherlock Holmes on Turbo CD nearly two years ago before!!
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Full image from the CFVC:
(http://www.nodtveidt.net/cfvc-shower-scene.png)
This is not the same exact image, as it has definately been retouched for colour. Here's a side-by-side comparison:
(http://www.nodtveidt.net/scene-compare.png)
Also, I can sorta see why CF1 was never released in the US...conservatives would have had a fun time with this one:
(http://www.nodtveidt.net/sayo1.png)
One interesting thing I noticed about the art styles from the first to the second is the presence of dithering...the cinemas in the first use it a lot for the background, while the second is almost completely devoid of dithering.
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I wonder why they made the picture more pale and weird-looking.
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OK, it looks like my initial speculation was dead wrong. Which leads us to ask...
I wonder why they made the picture more pale and weird-looking.
My best guess: to simulate the steam in the shower? Upon removing the misty clouds from the PCE game, maybe they "overexposed" the image to make it look steamier? Otherwise, ... ?
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I like that steamy look from the Visual Collection CD. I noticed from the original CF2 cinema that it almost looks like the little "steam clouds" covering her naughty parts were quickly made. Perhaps the cinema from the Visual Collection was actually originally drawn for CF2, but was updated instead possibly because they felt the nudity was too much and what an easier way of covering the naughty parts than quickly drawing steam clouds over them? As for the color differences, I don't really know why they made them different. Maybe they thought it was more fitting and decided to use it for the Visual Collection CD?