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Title: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 15, 2013, 03:27:51 PM
So I have been talking to bluebmw on the possibility of mass producing the component mod pcb and he give me the ok. Now I just need thesteve's blessing as this is based off his design with a few tweaks of my own. The board I already built and installed on my turbografx16 has pots at red & blue inputs in addition to the Y output. With the pots I was able to adjust the red & blue mixing and the lumina until it looked good on my TV set. I designed the board with these adjustment I made. The board will be 1.8" by 1.275" so it will fit in an Express/GT also.
Here are some screen shots and video link of the component mod in action on my sony 52" LCD HDTV:) (http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l594/superkon316/pc-enginefx/DSC00211.jpg) (http://s1125.photobucket.com/user/superkon316/media/pc-enginefx/DSC00211.jpg.html) (http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l594/superkon316/pc-enginefx/DSC00212.jpg) (http://s1125.photobucket.com/user/superkon316/media/pc-enginefx/DSC00212.jpg.html) (http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l594/superkon316/pc-enginefx/null-5.jpg) (http://s1125.photobucket.com/user/superkon316/media/pc-enginefx/null-5.jpg.html) (http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l594/superkon316/pc-enginefx/DSC00217.jpg) (http://s1125.photobucket.com/user/superkon316/media/pc-enginefx/DSC00217.jpg.html)
Video of Street Fighter & R-type
I just want to check to see if there are enough interest out there before I have these made. Also I'm planning on pricing these boards between $25 to $40. I will need to look into what's the most efficent and cost effective way for me to solder all these components on. Let me know what you guys think.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: MotherGunner on May 15, 2013, 04:40:28 PM
You know me bro. Count me in!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: TheOldMan on May 15, 2013, 06:07:23 PM
Nice to see the adjustment pots added :) (R4, R6 and R17, right?) Let us know how many you would have to sell at those prices to break even. (Even if you order extra boards/parts) I'm sure they will sell, but it may take a while.
FWIW: I hate soldering smc parts. Since you were interested in the gotee method, look up "toaster oven soldering". That might actually be easier... :)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: Keith Courage on May 15, 2013, 09:30:17 PM
You already know that I will most likely need 4 of them :)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: jelloslug on May 16, 2013, 02:00:33 AM
I'd buy it.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2013, 03:24:45 AM
Nice to see the adjustment pots added :) (R4, R6 and R17, right?) Let us know how many you would have to sell at those prices to break even. (Even if you order extra boards/parts) I'm sure they will sell, but it may take a while.
FWIW: I hate soldering smc parts. Since you were interested in the gotee method, look up "toaster oven soldering". That might actually be easier... :)
That's right, the pots are at R4, R6 & R17. However I still need thesteve's buy in to finalize the design. There might a reason why thesteve didn't origanilly incorporated pots at R4 & R6 in his design such as high voltage offset, etc.
Before I finalized on a price, I will have to consider the upfront cost for the boards/components and any equipment I might need such as a "toaster oven".
Also this mod might not work on some TV sets. I have three HD LCD TVs, two sony's and one Samsung. The mod didn't work on my Samsung but works fine on my sony's.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: csgx1 on May 16, 2013, 04:20:35 AM
I'd possibly be interested in a few.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: Duo_R on May 16, 2013, 04:47:13 AM
Possibly interested in a couple
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: seieienbu on May 16, 2013, 05:22:28 AM
I might be interested, depending on how hard the installation is.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: xelement5x on May 16, 2013, 08:05:33 AM
Is this board specifically for the Turbo hardware, or could it be used for other devices with RGB accessible?
For example, could I put on in my LaserActive?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 16, 2013, 08:34:49 AM
Screenshots look good. :shock:
Is this something that could be installed into a TG-16 docking station to improve on the basic White/Red/Yellow RCA plugs?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2013, 09:21:01 AM
Yeah you can, just tap the into the corresponding expansion bus pins, on the dock side for the r, g, b & sync.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 16, 2013, 01:12:16 PM
Yeah you can, just tap the into the corresponding expansion bus pins, on the dock side for the r, g, b & sync.
So will this thing come with an install manual explaining how to do this? :-k For the noobs around here, not me. :-"
Of course:) I will throw something together.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: roflmao on May 16, 2013, 02:54:03 PM
Would this be a project someone who is looking to get into electronics ought to tackle, or should they already know what they're doing and are experienced with a soldering iron? I had trouble replacing the caps on my Express and ended up sending it to Beemer to complete. Is this trickier than that? Wow, way to be redundant. :P
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 16, 2013, 03:03:12 PM
I would say you would have to have some soldering experience already. Not only you have to install the component board but you have to install the output methods such rca jacks, mini-din's or regular din connectors and you'll have to think about the sound output too if you're modding a tg16 or PC-Engine systems. There are existing guides for those mods already here and else where.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: Duo_R on May 16, 2013, 03:23:20 PM
Practice on a spare video card tapping pins of similar sizes. If you had a tough time with caps I would avoid because that is considerably easier.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: roflmao on May 16, 2013, 03:54:29 PM
Groovy - Thanks for letting me know. Probably going to pass for now. :)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: GohanX on May 17, 2013, 03:24:09 AM
This is awesome. I've already got a RGB mod, but having native component would be mo awesomer.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: xelement5x on May 17, 2013, 08:29:40 AM
Yeah you can, just tap the into the corresponding expansion bus pins, on the dock side for the r, g, b & sync.
Definitely interested in picking up at least one then, maybe a couple more for other systems like my Genesis and Saturn as well. Hmm, or maybe the easier thing to do with consoles like that since the pins can be tapped right off the external connector is to build a box that takes the inputs and converts to component from there.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: Duo_R on May 17, 2013, 08:44:21 AM
If going external just use a RGB scart to component adapter works great.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 17, 2013, 11:44:28 AM
Yeah you can, just tap the into the corresponding expansion bus pins, on the dock side for the r, g, b & sync.
Definitely interested in picking up at least one then, maybe a couple more for other systems like my Genesis and Saturn as well. Hmm, or maybe the easier thing to do with consoles like that since the pins can be tapped right off the external connector is to build a box that takes the inputs and converts to component from there.
This was designed to work specifically with NEC systems. I haven't tested this design on a genesis. Will give it a try. I suppose you can have it enclose in a box or some sort but that's not part of the game plan at the moment.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 19, 2013, 05:03:16 AM
I tested this with a sega genesis and surprise, it doesn't work. Well it work for the first few second anyway...
I made some more tweaks. This is the final design I'm going with. I eliminated R7 & R8 and therefore I was able to decrease the form factor even more. New board size will be 1.564" x 1.225".
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: BlueBMW on May 19, 2013, 10:16:51 AM
Just a thought... you may want to add holes to your solder lands for the inputs and ouputs. Might make some installs eaiser with a hold to solder wire to instead of a pad.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 19, 2013, 01:27:59 PM
I thought about adding the holes but I decided to go with the pads. Boards are on its way to be made. Fingers cross:)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: BlueBMW on May 19, 2013, 02:55:35 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: alexkidd401 on May 20, 2013, 03:08:59 PM
I'd be very interested in component cables for my Turbo. How hard would something like this be to install? I'm not the most savvy with these kinds of things lol
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 20, 2013, 03:13:24 PM
With the manufactured pcb, I think it will be simpler then the region mod.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 28, 2013, 02:09:38 AM
Boards are being made as we speak. Should be ready for release in few weeks.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: bartre on May 28, 2013, 05:25:13 AM
hmm, any idea on a final price? also, any idea if i could shove this in my IFU without too much trouble?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 28, 2013, 06:18:38 AM
It will probably be $32 shipped. It should fit in an IFU. How much trouble depends on the individual. I will have a separate guide for install with all the different setups and systems.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: bartre on May 28, 2013, 04:16:43 PM
alright, and are these going to come populated, as a kit, or as the bare board?
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 28, 2013, 10:51:56 PM
The components will be soldered on.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on May 31, 2013, 10:44:21 AM
So the boards arrived today. Now the tidious task of soldering on the components.
Is it something you can just cut / jump? Ive seen tons of electronics with factory "corrections" that involve cut traces and extra wires and components tacked onto things :)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 01, 2013, 04:38:46 AM
Yeah, I assembled a couple of boards with cut traces and a few jumped connection. Still not working. I get some sort of image flashing now and then. Seems like I got a sync problem. Back to the drawing board.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 02, 2013, 02:19:47 AM
I got one board to work!!! I received some bad SMD caps.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: Bernie on June 02, 2013, 04:47:37 AM
Looking forward to seeing this completed. :)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: compil3r on June 03, 2013, 05:02:43 AM
Great, I want one too! Count me in!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 03, 2013, 02:32:12 PM
So the board will look like this when its assembled. I'm still trying to fix a few snags and working on a few details.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: compil3r on June 03, 2013, 03:53:47 PM
Quick n00b questions: this can also be used as rgb amp? If not, is that proyect dropped? (that board was planned too)
Thanks!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 03, 2013, 04:00:07 PM
No it can't. It mixes the rgb coming from the hu6260 and converts it to component (YPrPb).
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 03, 2013, 04:02:10 PM
Yeah the rgb amp for a different project bluebmw and thesteve were planning on doing. I think they decided to scrap it for now and this component design was born.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: BlueBMW on June 03, 2013, 04:43:09 PM
Its possible at some point we may make a custom PCB for one of the popular RGB amp designs. Its not totally dropped, just sidetracked ;)
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: compil3r on June 03, 2013, 04:59:08 PM
Great, I'll keep an eye on the rgb amp project too. I have a commodore 1084 monitor and since I could connect a sega megadrive to it, now I want EVERYTHING in RGB :) Thanks for the quick reply guys!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: KalessinDB on June 04, 2013, 02:49:57 PM
Loving this.
Gonna hafta get a duo though, the standard TG16/TGCD setup I've got just won't work right for this.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 04, 2013, 02:57:49 PM
Gonna hafta get a duo though, the standard TG16/TGCD setup I've got just won't work right for this.
The component board will work in all nec systems, even the turbo express and pce gt.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: Marll on June 05, 2013, 07:02:53 AM
I'm interested in this. I've been toying with the idea of an RGB conversion for my TG16/TGCD for a while, but don't have much spare time, so anything that comes pre-fabed and is basically ready to solder in would be great.
My plan would be to modify the CD dock, would just have to carefully plan where to put the component jacks on that. Previously I was highly considering a DIN8 to SCART setup and then use a converter to change that to compontent or HDMI.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: GohanX on June 05, 2013, 09:43:56 AM
I have that setup now. If I were to component mod the dock, I'd probably just leave the current AV jacks as is for audio and put component RCA jacks on the other side. Either that, or still do a DIN socket and make a custom component cable. I've got a Neo Geo modded like that.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: EvilEvoIX on June 05, 2013, 11:30:21 AM
Perfect!
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 06, 2013, 01:08:28 AM
I'm getting close to releasing the component video mod chip. I'm having trouble sourcing the right SMD/SMT capacitors. Also I had this website setup for all the ordering of the new boards plus additional services I offer. Let me know what you guys think of the website.
http://www.tg16pcemods.com/index.html
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: BlueBMW on June 06, 2013, 04:15:51 AM
Looks great! Ive got a box of goods to send your way.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 06, 2013, 04:37:48 AM
Thanks, this wouldn't have been possible without you and thesteve:) I owe you guys one.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 11, 2013, 12:56:32 AM
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: turbokon on June 11, 2013, 02:12:51 PM
The new boards are on its way. I should have some boards assembled and ready for sale by next week. I will start a new thread once these are ready for sell. Working on install guide for a duo now.
Title: Re: Turbografx-16/PC-Engine Component (YPrPb) Interest Check
Post by: KalessinDB on June 12, 2013, 12:16:24 AM
I'm getting close to releasing the component video mod chip. I'm having trouble sourcing the right SMD/SMT capacitors. Also I had this website setup for all the ordering of the new boards plus additional services I offer. Let me know what you guys think of the website.
http://www.tg16pcemods.com/index.html
Oh you beautiful man. You'll even install it for me. Yeah when I free up some money for mods again I'll be winging my TGCD your way. This makes me very pleased.