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Title: pier solar hd
Post by: wildfruit on July 19, 2013, 12:20:38 PM
anybody picking up the remastered pier solar for pc or dreamcast? i'm grabbing a dreamcast one after having to sell my mega drive one some time ago. exciting times!
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 19, 2013, 12:41:48 PM
Nope. Pretty much everyone here thinks they're retarded.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: wildfruit on July 19, 2013, 12:44:05 PM
good for you
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: nodtveidt on July 19, 2013, 01:30:34 PM
Arkhan's probably right... a lot of people 'round these parts are pretty annoyed with the direction WaterMelon went in... so I doubt there are too many Pier Solar fans on this particular forum.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: PunkicCyborg on July 19, 2013, 02:21:40 PM
I still haven't even opened my oritinal pier solar. In fact I just looked over my game shelf........ I don't even see it? wtf
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: TheClash603 on July 19, 2013, 03:29:01 PM
Is it only $400 for the ultra mega edition 9000?
I got the reprint Genny game on the cheap and it wasn't good enough for them to put the game out again and with the ridiculous "collectors" shenanigans they do now.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Punch on July 19, 2013, 03:58:55 PM
What's the controversy that I'm not aware of with Watermelon?
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Tatsujin on July 19, 2013, 04:09:04 PM
Suika(pu)
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 19, 2013, 04:55:24 PM
What's the controversy that I'm not aware of with Watermelon?
Where to begin. A step by step to Magic WATERMELON FACTORY!!!11
Sell out before public release.
Delay the shit out of pre-order-only release and piss everyone off. Lash out at your paying customers because you f*cked up.
Release game with janky enhanced CD that they bragged about. You'd think their big bragging point would actually work, yeah?
As the FIRST public release, sell it as the lame "reprint edition" complete with lesser quality manual and stickers. No CD either. Way to cater to the elitist collectors and eBay morons.
Lie about why the reprint is less fancy, say only early loyalists deserve extras, finally admit the reason is cost issues and needing to recover from the first batch of games that you miscalculated the profit margin on.
Lie about why the second batch has no CDs. Say they won't fit in the reprint clamshell boxes (which I demonstrated fit just fine.). Eventually admit that the CDs are goony so there is no point.
Blow off people distributing ISOs of the enhanced CD since it was a flop anyway.
Later, backpedal on that and release your own ISO and say "get this one instead, its got all the goodies taken out because you don't deserve them"
Go for a THIRD janky reprint edition.
Say your audio thing can't be decoded.
Laugh when Old Rover and Gravis decode it in a weekend for shits and giggles.
Claim your game can't be dumped.
Refuse to release the ROM because "it will hurt sales" on a game that SOLD OUT. HRHRHRUDHRRRR.
Launch a kickstarter for your game that hasn't even been out like 2 years, just to ride the hypewave and whore the thing out to even more platforms instead of making something else.
Launch some investor scheme where people can pay money to buy "gems" and decide what platform and game genre will be targeted next, because that's what we need. People who don't know what they want to do, doing what they're told by people with money.
Did I miss anything?
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: SuperDeadite on July 19, 2013, 10:59:05 PM
+1 Announce a DC version on kickstarter. After ludicrous cash goal reached announce a stretch goal to add 16:9 support to said DC version if given even more money.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: TR0N on July 19, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
All ready have it for the genesis so a pass for me.Watermelon games,really have milked pier solar to death at this point.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: esteban on July 20, 2013, 03:08:29 AM
The most worthy endeavor is a fleeting fragrance that defies capture; the least worthy undertaking is shite smeared on your face. 99% of the world spends 99% of its time wallowing in shite. It takes a rare character to wash his or her face clean." —Winston Churchill, commenting on the state of things
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: wildfruit on July 20, 2013, 03:43:16 AM
i guess i'm going against the grain on this one
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: storino03 on July 20, 2013, 04:49:01 AM
I got the HD version for Dreamcast. Also, if you guys hate their business practices, just download the ROM. It's readily available and it also works on the Wii's GenPlus emulator. :D
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: nodtveidt on July 20, 2013, 09:42:34 AM
Laugh when Old Rover and Gravis decode it in a weekend for shits and giggles.
It was amazingly easy... :lol:
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 20, 2013, 05:02:39 PM
My head is spinning from all the drama surrounding this game and I haven't even played it yet. Why not make a Laseractive port while they are at it? :lol:
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 20, 2013, 09:26:46 PM
I got the HD version for Dreamcast. Also, if you guys hate their business practices, just download the ROM. It's readily available and it also works on the Wii's GenPlus emulator. :D
I bought the game when it was available to people who didn't want to pony up money 3 years in advance to a game that was taking forever and may not have been done.
I don't see the point in buying it again. The game has been out for <5 years and has more versions than f*cking Street Fighter 2.
I don't appreciate them milking the living piss out of their one over-hyped, honestly mediocre RPG with purposeful supply/demand issues. It's on the same pompous level as Super Fighter Team.
The people that throw money at them are all enablers, and they honestly needed to step back and examine things before they went and threw a ton of money at their Kickstarter.
That shit is why we can't have nice things for reasonable prices.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Duo_R on July 20, 2013, 09:32:19 PM
I honestly considered the kick starter until I saw all the versions they had for sale. And then unrealized "why am I buying this game again, I haven't even played the version I already bought."
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Mathius on July 21, 2013, 12:31:59 PM
I funded their kickstarter only to get a version of the game that fixes a lot of the issues the original release had. I personally don't have a beef with Watermelon but I don't like how they treated their fans after launch. Especially those here.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: HercTNT on July 21, 2013, 05:03:50 PM
My complaint with watermelon is all the attention they paid to making PS look pleasing, but plays like shit. PS HD is gonna be no different. The game looks good, sounds good, always did, plays horrible. wish they would balance it better.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 21, 2013, 05:07:26 PM
My complaint with watermelon is all the attention they paid to making PS look pleasing, but plays like shit. PS HD is gonna be no different. The game looks good, sounds good, always did, plays horrible. wish they would balance it better.
Agreed. I think the way I described it to someone who was going to try winning it in a raffle at CCAG was
"It looks like Lunar 2, but feels like watching paint dry."
something like that.
They nailed the Lunar-esque presentation and style, but fumbled completely on delivering a game that is interesting.
RPGMaker 2000 projects out there have more depth to the whole thing.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Necromancer on July 22, 2013, 05:30:25 AM
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: futureman2000 on July 22, 2013, 05:49:04 AM
My main problem with the game was the asinine places that items were hidden. I quit playing when my party fell down a slide only to find that the item needed to get back up was several towns back. I can understand if I wasn't looking, but I had spent tons of time just wandering around the towns trying to figure out which non-descript wall or shadowy area would have a secret chest. It would have helped to have a Nintendo Power walkthrough. I think I was about halfway through the game or something, but I'll never play it again. That being said, the look of the game is great. Very professional presentation, just some goofy gameplay. I will be buying their next genesis game. I don't know how much fun it will be, but it will probably look cool.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: wildfruit on July 22, 2013, 06:16:42 AM
i bought 8 hu cards, a gba sp headphone adapter and streets of rage instead after this discussion
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 22, 2013, 07:04:37 AM
i bought 8 hu cards, a gba sp headphone adapter and streets of rage instead after this discussion
I hope your serious.
I mean if you want the Pier Solar experience just go find someone's Final Fantasy Stolen Graphics RPG Adventure of Grandness for RPGMaker 2000. There's highschool kids cranking that shit out all day everyday.
It'll look just as professional since they're stealing art from Squaresoft and Sega.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: geise on July 22, 2013, 07:25:27 AM
I actually never thought this game looked good, and I don't understand the following it has.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 22, 2013, 07:39:21 AM
i bought 8 hu cards, a gba sp headphone adapter and streets of rage instead after this discussion
I hope your serious.
heck yes bought 8 one of them being parasol stars i guess i have to admit deep down the md copy of pier solar i got and then had to sell for hard times i guess i got it for novelty value rather than playability
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 22, 2013, 08:01:59 AM
I got it to try, and then laugh at, basically. It's a shame the team involved is no longer the humble bunch of gimps making "Tavern RPG" or whatever.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: HercTNT on July 23, 2013, 02:23:18 PM
i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it :( As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on July 24, 2013, 04:29:21 AM
i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it :( As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.
Basically. The game just feels like a middle school RPG Maker project.
Trust me. I made them when I was 11-13 years old. They sucked.
but, they were almost as good as Pier Solar, and we made them in <1month usually, lol.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: WingZeroKai on July 29, 2013, 11:34:57 AM
I mean if you want the Pier Solar experience just go find someone's Final Fantasy Stolen Graphics RPG Adventure of Grandness for RPGMaker 2000. There's highschool kids cranking that shit out all day everyday.
It'll look just as professional since they're stealing art from Squaresoft and Sega.
This made me laugh so much harder than it should have.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: nodtveidt on July 30, 2013, 12:24:53 PM
So... do the "enhanced" versions of PS actually bring anything new to the table? I've had plenty of demand for newer versions of Mysterious Song, but I'm actually expanding the game itself, since the original is so short. Does "PS DC", for example, make the game any better, or is it just prettier?
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: SuperDeadite on July 30, 2013, 12:34:38 PM
it's in OMG HD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: SmaMan on August 01, 2013, 01:30:54 AM
Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.
I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 01, 2013, 05:26:59 AM
Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.
I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.
lol wait they did ANOTHER reprint cart/CD?
You'd think they'd just make enough in the first place. One thing they clearly suck at is math.
That, or they do this shit on purpose to create artificial supply/demand price gouging shit.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: storino03 on August 01, 2013, 11:49:17 AM
They constantly have reprints going, but their ETAs on when they produce them is all over the place. I ordered the PS Strategy Guide, but it won't be available until (at the very least) end of 2012.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: HercTNT on August 01, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
They constantly have reprints going, but their ETAs on when they produce them is all over the place. I ordered the PS Strategy Guide, but it won't be available until (at the very least) end of 2012.
No need for the guide, I have the strategy you need to survive. Play for 15 minutes, slam your dick in a steel door. play for another 15 minutes, nail your nuts with a ball peen hammer. You see, the personal abuse makes you forget how painful the game is. Doing it this way, your likely to finish the game before the SG comes out anyways.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: BigusSchmuck on August 01, 2013, 03:27:18 PM
i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it :( As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.
Basically. The game just feels like a middle school RPG Maker project.
Trust me. I made them when I was 11-13 years old. They sucked.
but, they were almost as good as Pier Solar, and we made them in <1month usually, lol.
You would be surprised on what my brother put out on RPG Maker. That guy even tried to put in his own 3Dish backgrounds (this was the late 90s early 2000s) and somehow got it all to work. I would say in this rare instance his rpgs were definitely better even with his cheesey voice acting (think Star Ocean).
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Black Tiger on August 02, 2013, 04:10:50 AM
Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.
I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.
lol wait they did ANOTHER reprint cart/CD?
You'd think they'd just make enough in the first place. One thing they clearly suck at is math.
That, or they do this shit on purpose to create artificial supply/demand price gouging shit.
No one can dispute that they are intentially trying to create demand by manipulating collectors with the various LE editions and the huge REPRINT written across the front of every standard copy. The mystery reprint release dates only help resellers gouge insta collectors.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 02, 2013, 04:50:17 AM
Huh, never heard this much hate on this game, but this is also the first time I'm hearing a lot about it outside of a Watermelon outlet so... yeah.
I preordered the reprint Genesis cart/CD over 6 months ago. A while back they sent me an email saying that they can't do the reprint yet because there's not a lot of preorders yet and said I could cancel it with full refund at any time. ...I'm starting to consider that now.
lol wait they did ANOTHER reprint cart/CD?
You'd think they'd just make enough in the first place. One thing they clearly suck at is math.
That, or they do this shit on purpose to create artificial supply/demand price gouging shit.
No one can dispute that they are intentially trying to create demand by manipulating collectors with the various LE editions and the huge REPRINT written across the front of every standard copy. The mystery reprint release dates only help resellers gouge insta collectors.
yep.
The fact they printed a strategy guide is just hilarious. I mean, what the christ. Get over yourselves.
i preordered Pier Solar almost two years before it was released. I truly gave it an honest try getting about 15 hours into the game. Then I traded it for a brand new android gaming console. To bad the console broke, I miss it :( As another user pointed out, PS's level design was borderline garbage. The battle system was also insanely tedius. You got attacked every two steps, you were always overmatched, resources were scarce at best, and level designed amounted to guessing were stuff you need "might" be. I swear the game also adapted for Leveling Up, despite grinding out three more levels for my party, the area i was in, the same monsters started doing more damage. Graphics and audio were spot on, gameplay almost nonexistent.
Basically. The game just feels like a middle school RPG Maker project.
Trust me. I made them when I was 11-13 years old. They sucked.
but, they were almost as good as Pier Solar, and we made them in <1month usually, lol.
You would be surprised on what my brother put out on RPG Maker. That guy even tried to put in his own 3Dish backgrounds (this was the late 90s early 2000s) and somehow got it all to work. I would say in this rare instance his rpgs were definitely better even with his cheesey voice acting (think Star Ocean).
Yeah dude, there is some good stuff out there.
I wish i still had it. A friend and I back in middle school made an RPG with it for extra credit in science. You ran around a map of our middleschool as Asuka from Neon Genesis, learning about science.
We replaced the school mascot on the gym floor with the NERV logo, and made the principals office look like hell.
We got an A.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: SmaMan on August 02, 2013, 11:25:24 AM
I think the central problem here is that everyone, including Watermelon themselves, are expecting to much. This is a tiny indie company we're talking about. The fact that they had the money and resources to make one cart run on a console over 20 years old is nothing short of extraordinary. And perhaps it is this success that is blowing their egos way out of proportion, along with their image.
I've decided I'm going to give them until the digital release of Pier Solar HD until I cancel my pre-order.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: wildfruit on August 02, 2013, 12:39:30 PM
parasol stars was a good call in the end
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 02, 2013, 07:35:00 PM
I bought this game, finished it, and reviewed it. I really think it was nice to have a huge ambitious fan project like this on the Genesis, but I had problems with the game itself. It felt like you never got enough EXP and some of the writing was downright weird.
I'm with the OP though. Although I personally am a little bummed to see this game ported to so many platforms, I still respect that Watermelon is delivering new games to play on our old hardware at all. The idea of the beat em' up or whatever they have planned for the SNES has me very interested. I think that would be a much easier project for them to deliver on than a RPG the scale of Pier Solar was.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 03, 2013, 02:25:55 PM
No, the SNES game will be an RPG. The SNES is only allowed to have RPGs. The Genesis is only allowed to have sports games and the PCE/Turbo is only allowed to have shooters.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: BlueBMW on August 03, 2013, 04:35:44 PM
After reading this thread... anyone interested in a reprint edition PS? hehe
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Tatsujin on August 03, 2013, 05:47:43 PM
No, the SNES game will be an RPG. The SNES is only allowed to have RPGs. The Genesis is only allowed to have sports games and the PCE/Turbo is only allowed to have shooters.
I could live with that very well :)
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Bardoly on August 03, 2013, 06:39:29 PM
No, the SNES game will be an RPG. The SNES is only allowed to have RPGs. The Genesis is only allowed to have sports games and the PCE/Turbo is only allowed to have shooters.
Wouldn't that actually fit the hardware better? :-k :-k :-k
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 03, 2013, 08:18:17 PM
I still respect that Watermelon is delivering new games to play on our old hardware at all.
I don't.
What they're doing is bastardizing the concept of doing this for fun, and in the spirit of keeping the console alive.
They've decided money and shit are more important, so they better manipulate the market and whore their subpar RPG out to as many platforms as they can possible hamfist the game out onto.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 04, 2013, 11:15:21 AM
I still respect that Watermelon is delivering new games to play on our old hardware at all.
I don't.
What they're doing is bastardizing the concept of doing this for fun, and in the spirit of keeping the console alive.
They've decided money and shit are more important, so they better manipulate the market and whore their subpar RPG out to as many platforms as they can possible hamfist the game out onto.
I haven't really been following Watermelon much past the release of Pier Solar, but I think there's still some passion for the Mega Drive over at Watermelon. They are developing a new beat em' up for it and a SNES project as well after all.
Off-topic: but I checked out some of your TG-16 stuff and your MSX coding entry a while ago and love it. I personally thought you had the most impressive MSX entry of all and that's impressive considering you were said to the be the newcomer.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: lukester on August 04, 2013, 11:27:57 AM
Shh! Dont tell Arkhan the beatemup is an RPG...woops...
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 04, 2013, 11:34:24 AM
Beat em' up RPGs are awesome, but I am worried about Watermelon tackling anything that involves exp after playing Pier Solar :P
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: gbapalyer on August 05, 2013, 12:53:20 AM
when and where can i preorder the DC pal version? i need that game.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: storino03 on August 05, 2013, 03:36:40 AM
on their website I assume. www.piersolar.com (http://www.piersolar.com/)
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 05, 2013, 04:58:59 AM
After reading this thread... anyone interested in a reprint edition PS? hehe
I looked up the price for the reprints on fleabay recently myself and I can't believe what people are paying for it. Just friggin nuts!
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 05, 2013, 09:27:47 AM
So you mean I can sell my subpar Genesis game for 250$ to some shmoe?
....hm. Now there is an idea.
Didn't they dump the ROM? I could basically make my own version of the thing for however much a genesis flash cart costs?
or just take the cart out of the shell and replace it with Sonic. Its not like the buyer will play it.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Black Tiger on August 05, 2013, 11:08:41 AM
They used unique techniques to make the rom not work on regular emulators and flash carts and the authors of emulators won't update them to support PS. The emulator that can run it has been hacked by pirates for PS and is distributed with the rom.
Watermelon has said that they were considering selling a version of the rom that will work on emulators (since they received so many requests), but that it would be only sometime after they sell enough carts. But that was before the kickstarter thing. So it likely won't ever happen now or they'll only sell basically the same thing as is floating around the internets, an emulator with a version of the rom that won't work on anything else.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 05, 2013, 11:14:46 AM
So what you're telling me is, someone did what Pier Solar's staff arrogantly said was not possible (lolol never say never).
And, then they are like well, we will sell the ROM since some dorks are cutting into our profits!!
here's a question, how many f*ckin cart sales were required for a ROM to be sold? Did they need to hit Reprint Run #6 in order for it to happen?
I bet one day, a flashcart that supports it will show up.
The fact they went through those kind of processes in the first place helps demonstrate their real motives here.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 05, 2013, 01:07:14 PM
I know what that is, but still think the D&D games are the go-to for beat em off RPGs.
Really wish the Saturn version was in English. Kinda removes the immersion somewhat.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 05, 2013, 02:50:28 PM
On consoles at least I think I prefer Guardian Heroes. Dungeons & Dragons is very much a quarter muncher and that doesn't really translate well to consoles with unlimited credits. I'll play with friends and they'll just not give a damn about sacrificing themselves to inflict damage.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 05, 2013, 05:08:25 PM
I know what that is, but still think the D&D games are the go-to for beat em off RPGs.
Really wish the Saturn version was in English. Kinda removes the immersion somewhat.
All they're saying is "ching chong chingy chong. noodle noodle dishonor family"
I think.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Tatsujin on August 05, 2013, 05:20:55 PM
funny nuff they could turn in Emulator makers to not make PS work on them, but it's just right to use the very same Emulators for any other pirated rom in the world. What kind of shitty brainfark is that?
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 05, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
funny nuff they could turn in Emulator makers to not make PS work on them, but it's just right to use the very same Emulators for any other pirated rom in the world. What kind of shitty brainfark is that?
The emulators that they most likely tested the game on until they purposely broke it.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: nodtveidt on August 06, 2013, 05:19:51 AM
So, let me get this straight...
- They say the game can't be dumped. It gets dumped anyway. - Emu authors refuse to allow their emus to run the ROM. Someone else modifies an emu to run it, and distributes them together. - So no matter what, there are still people who are gonna play it for free, despite all efforts to the contrary. - And ultimately, the game still blows... yet they've got oodles of people willing to pay for it, and multiple versions of it as well... even though it's still the same game through all the newer versions.
Sounds to me like WaterMelon is more about marketing than gaming.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: TheOldMan on August 06, 2013, 06:40:15 AM
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So, let me get this straight...
- They say the game can't be dumped. It gets dumped anyway. - Emu authors refuse to allow their emus to run the ROM. Someone else modifies an emu to run it, and distributes them together. - So no matter what, there are still people who are gonna play it for free, despite all efforts to the contrary. - And ultimately, the game still blows... yet they've got oodles of people willing to pay for it, and multiple versions of it as well... even though it's still the same game through all the newer versions.
Sounds to me like WaterMelon is more about marketing than gaming.
Sounds to me like they -thought- they were going to make a lot of $$ doing a retro game, and found out it doesn't work that way :) So they keep releasing new versions, hoping the collectors will pony up the cash to finally make it profitable.
Maybe they should have spent some of the time they used to do odd things (things the emulators don't support, a borked cd, etc) to actually improve the game; maybe have people outside their little circle beta test it? Get a little feed-back on the game? Listen to the people who wanted it, instead of saying "this is what you get. You want something fixed? Buy the next release" ?
I for one, am not impressed by the 'professional' release angle. All that takes is someone willing to throw a lot of money at the project. I would much rather see them do it on a budget (say $1000 for 50 copies). Producing it cheaply is part of being a homebrew dev.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 06:57:45 AM
Like I said before, it's clear they're not really doing this to be homebrew developers who are mostly doing it for fun. They want to be big time professionals and make a ton of money, and instead of getting out there into the real industry, they're milking money out of collectors and crap.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: SmaMan on August 06, 2013, 07:07:43 AM
Me? I'm not the crazy collector type. I'm not one to ever trade in any game I own unless I have duplicates, but I'm not a diehard "Gotta Catch 'em All!" type person either.
I just decided to give this game a shot since I've enjoyed other aftermarket homebrews like "Battle Kid" on the NES and such. (Great game by the way, if you like your games good and hard.)
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 07:28:22 AM
Battle Kid is a better game than Pier Solar. Yet, there aren't retarded amounts of reproductions and crap tied to it. It just was what it was, and people went on with life.
If Insanity goes out of stock and someone tries to buy it still, we can either repress the discs, OR, just release the bin/cue/stuff for the world to enjoy (read: laugh at)
;)
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 06, 2013, 08:16:39 AM
Sivak is a super humble dude. I've talked with him before.
Of all the retro indie titles out there, I think Battle Kid has the most potential to hit it big on HD consoles, so I really respect that Sivak has decided to only support the good ol' NES.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 06, 2013, 10:12:10 AM
I wouldn't say Pier Solar "blows". It's a lot more professionally done than Mysterious Song which seems very amateur in comparison. I got bored with that one and stopped playing a few hours in. I'm certainly not saying Pier Solar is the greatest thing ever designed. It has lots of little design flaws in there. It's just not as bad as some of the people who program their own games here would have you believe. Those are the ones who piss and moan about Pier Solar the most. Put your money where your mouths are. Design something that blows it away. So far I've only seen simple arcade-like games and an old, very basic RPG which isn't special at all.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Necromancer on August 06, 2013, 10:36:12 AM
I've not played Pier Solar (f*ck FEKA!), but it certainly looks nice and I've played plenty of clunky and far from perfect PCE games. Nor do I blame them one bit for trying to keep thieves from stealing the rom - if want the game, pay for it.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 10:41:43 AM
It's just not as bad as some of the people who program their own games here would have you believe. Those are the ones who piss and moan about Pier Solar the most. Put your money where your mouths are. Design something that blows it away.
I won't speak for any other developer complaining about the game, even though their comments on the game align with everyone else who didn't like the game, including non-programmer opinions stated in this very thread...
I think being a game programmer has little to do with this and is pretty pointless to bring up, honestly. Being a game programmer doesn't automatically mean I can't state my opinions on a game without being subjected to stupid counter points like "Well, then go do better.". What about my opinions of commercial titles? Am I supposed to do better than those too?
I make goofy arcade games. I don't want to take part in a like, 15 year long RPG project that starts off as a mediocre fan-game, and then turns into a bigtime, overhyped production of the same game.
That being said, it doesn't take much rocket science to be aware that there are fan games slapped together by 13 year olds in RPGMaker2000 that are on par in terms of story cohesiveness and delivery. It also doesn't take much to be aware of the fact that the game has balance issues that should have been fixed before selling it. It's a great looking game on the surface (with reportedly stolen artwork). Kind of like Lunar: Dragon Song for DS. Looked awesome. Great music. Felt like a Lunar game at first... but in the end, had so many bad elements to it that it just fell apart and sucked.
They had the unique privilege of being able to have a ton of fans playtest it, and the ability to compare these things to all of the RPGs of the era. I don't think they bothered though. At least with games like Cosmic Fantasy 2, or the first Lunar on Sega CD, the goofy mechanics (and endless random battles) are made up for with a well delivered story, characters that aren't bland, among a handful of other things.
Just because I program games doesn't mean I can't state these things without being told "Go do better." Double standards are for people who shouldn't bother posting in a discussion.
now, anyways, me personally, I am more concerned with the lame ass ethics / actions of the people involved. You'll note mostly all of my serious complaints/rants aren't about the game itself, so much as they are about the stupid shit that Watermelon Team 9000 does.
What's your counterpoint to that? Put my money where my mouth is? Do better?
I already did that. Aetherbyte doesn't create false supply/demand scenarios to cause collector price frenzies. We also don't lie, make excuses, tell our loyal fans/customers to pound sand when they aren't happy, or come up with stupid schemes to get more money out of this whole homebrew thing.
We do what we say we'll do, keep things up front and honest with the people flinging money at us, and deliver neat little arcade style games for the PCE. No bullshit involved.
If a problem ever comes up with one of these projects, you can bet your man-tits that Aetherbyte won't be beating around the bush about the problems.
Excuses are for pussies.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 06, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
Well you sure seem to have a giant hard on for bashing anything Pier Solar. I can certainly understand not liking the game or how they handled it, but these are things you've gone on and on about for years now. It's like you take the existence of the game very personally. If I had a product people wanted as much as people seem to want Pier Solar, you bet I'd try to make some good money off of it. People want a Dreamcast or PC version or whatever? That's fine. It doesn't bother me or twist my panties into a wad. I'm not forced to buy it. It doesn't invalidate my real Genesis copy somehow. Let them make real money. They have a product people want, that's how business works. And they are a business now. And I can certainly understand them not wanting the game to be dumped. What's wrong with that? Instead, it's being used here as a reason to complain about Watermelon (not necessarily by you, admittedly). How dare they! They are so evil!
The reason I bring up people who program their own games, specifically, is because it comes across as petty. They have had a great deal of financial success with their game. Now this may or may not bother you, but look at it from the view of someone outside looking in on your comments like myself and probably others. Watermelon doesn't go around bitching about other homebrew games. They had a huge chance to with Oh Mummy ripping off Coryoon's BG. When I look at you guys going off over and over and over and over and over and over and over about Pier Solar, it just seems petty.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 11:08:08 AM
Well you sure seem to have a giant hard on for bashing anything Pier Solar. I can certainly understand not liking the game or how they handled it, but these are things you've gone on and on about for years now. It's like you take the existence of the game very personally.
Nah. It's not really personal. I mostly keep it here on this forum. I don't go over to their Watermelon hangouts and piss in everyone's Cheerios. I don't bring it up on other forums I frequent when it comes up. Just this one.
I like to at least make sure all our Turbob friends who are newer are alert to the stuff. There's always someone new here who at least deserves to be informed about the bullshit drama/history of PS. Someone has to tell them. It's obviously not going to be you. I don't mind being that guy.
Anyway, I also bought the game from them. I put my opinions on their bullshit aside and gave the game a playthrough. I'm allowed to bitch about the game. I paid for it. Just because I make games doesn't mean I won't weigh in on homebrew games. They're still games, and I'll still have thoughts/feelings about the game.
Someone at CCAG won a free copy. He asked me personally about the game itself.
I told them it was about what you would expect from a homebrew RPG. I left out all the usual ranting that you see here.
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If I had a product people wanted as much as people seem to want Pier Solar, you bet I'd try to make some good money off of it. People want a Dreamcast or PC version or whatever? That's fine. It doesn't bother me or twist my panties into a wad. I'm not forced to buy it. It doesn't invalidate my real Genesis copy somehow. Let them make real money. They have a product people want, that's how business works. And they are a business now. That's silly.
No disagreement there. The path taken to the current business position, on the other hand...
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And I can certainly understand them not wanting the game to be dumped. What's wrong with that? Instead, it's being used here as a reason to complain about Watermelon (not necessarily by you, admittedly). How dare they! They are so evil!
The complaint is that it's a futile effort to prevent dumping. It always happens. Big time companies can't even prevent it. They arrogantly claimed they had it covered, and it bit them in the ass. I'm not even sure if it's actually a complaint. It's more like pointing and laughing because some dorks figured it all out, lol.
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The reason I bring up people who program their own games, specifically, is because it comes across as petty. They have had a great deal of financial success with their game. Now this may or may not bother you, but look at it from the view of someone outside looking in on your comments like myself and probably others. Watermelon doesn't go around bitching about other homebrew games. They had a huge chance to with Oh Mummy ripping off Coryoon's BG. When I look at you guys going off over and over and over and over and over and over and over about Pier Solar, it just seems petty.
I had a bone to pick with the way PS was handled before it was a grand financial success. It wasn't even out yet! Back then, Insanity wasn't even out yet, either. I was still just f*cking around, maybe making a game that would get done.
Heck, after the second print, it was said that they lost money and had to recoup on print #2, so even then, when I was bitching about the newest updates to their really bad decisions, they weren't kicking all kinds of financial ass.
I'd also bet that I make more money at my real job than they made off Pier Solar/Their kickstarter once costs are factored in, and the money is divvied out to the entire team... so it's not like I'm jealous of the money.
and, to be fair, Watermelon isn't really in a position to bash anyone, given how their launch went down, along with the rest of the comedy that has gone down since then.
Out of curiosity, why don't you come to SFT's defense when we've gone on tirades about those hilarious messes? Do you too hate the dreaded Cobbwebb?!
EDIT: Also, like you said, they're a business now. With a product. Like any business, with any product, you can expect paying customers to weigh in on their thoughts/feelings about how things are going, both good and bad.
Just like how people are bitching that Namco is a bunch of stupid cock holes with Tales of Xilia on forums, and how people wanted to cut someone because those Ni No Kuni wizard editions got sold to some 3rd party who hiked the price up.
Bad business jive is bad business jive. Welcome to the real world, Watermelon Assault Force Delta!
EDIT 2: I fixed the first paragraph to be more clear.
I like turtles.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 06, 2013, 11:35:41 AM
Hmm... a few pages back you were saying Watermelon is all about money and now you're making it sound like they don't make enough money for it to be worthwhile. So which is it?
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 11:37:33 AM
Hmm... a few pages back you were saying Watermelon is all about money and now you're making it sound like they don't make enough money for it to be worthwhile. So which is it?
Uh, it can be both, dude.
Just because you're trying to be a profiteering group doesn't mean you're rolling in the dough...
You can be rolling in some, kinda. It might be worthwhile for them. It might not be. Maybe that's why they might be pushing for things that result in even more money.
If they want to do the whole money thing, I wish they'd just do something else instead of milking PS for all its worth.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: TheClash603 on August 06, 2013, 11:39:43 AM
Pier Solar is the Kim Kardashian of indie games. It is popular just because it is popular.
I bought the game and I would buy another game from the company if they came up with a traditional selling scheme, but the guys that make it seem a little sleazy. I would hope that the efforts they use to promote the game would also be put into the product too.
As a non-game developer, I will say Arkhan is right on the mark with this one.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 11:44:24 AM
Yeah.. I might entertain buying PS for Dreamcast because I like having more Dreamcast games... but it's not high on my priorities.
If they make something else that comes out, I will likely try it out. If it sucks, it sucks.
If they continue the patterns they did with PS, man will that suck. At least if they go superfamousDIGITALDOWNLOADS!!1!1 they wont be able to create pretend scarcity.
Or they will.
"Guys! GIVE US MORE MONEY FOR GEMS, AND WE WILL ALLOW MORE BANDWIDTH FOR ANOTHER RUN OF DOWNLOADS!1!!"
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: lukester on August 06, 2013, 11:56:41 AM
Arkhan, what is your opinion on Watermelon's Magical Game Factory? Do you like the input and invest idea? Just curious.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 12:02:28 PM
Arkhan, what is your opinion on Watermelon's Magical Game Factory? Do you like the input and invest idea? Just curious.
I wish RegalSin had enough $$$ to make them make the game he wanted.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 06, 2013, 12:33:23 PM
Quote from: arkhan
The complaint is that it's a futile effort to prevent dumping. It always happens.
I don't think it's futile to try and prevent dumping. However it IS futile to say that your game can't be dumped. That's just gonna make people want to dump it more. I don't know if this is something they actually said. I know they said they had taken steps to make it more difficult but I don't remember any direct quotes. If I were them I wouldn't have said anything.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Mathius on August 06, 2013, 01:31:11 PM
I think the whole GEMS system is ridiculous. I am not the first to say this (probably someone here did) but people aren't usually in a position to know what they want. They think they know but they really don't. If Nintendo allowed fans to decide the important decisions that went into making Super Metroid it wouldn't be the classic we know today. It would most likely be an overstuffed turkey of a mess.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 01:37:03 PM
The complaint is that it's a futile effort to prevent dumping. It always happens.
I don't think it's futile to try and prevent dumping. However it IS futile to say that your game can't be dumped. That's just gonna make people want to dump it more. I don't know if this is something they actually said. I know they said they had taken steps to make it more difficult but I don't remember any direct quotes. If I were them I wouldn't have said anything.
You can't prevent dumping. The only way to prevent dumping is to just dump it yourself and get it over with. Enough loyal fans will buy the thing. Look how many "REAL HARDWARE OR GTFO" people there are on the internet.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Black Tiger on August 06, 2013, 01:47:07 PM
The complaint is that it's a futile effort to prevent dumping. It always happens.
I don't think it's futile to try and prevent dumping. However it IS futile to say that your game can't be dumped. That's just gonna make people want to dump it more. I don't know if this is something they actually said. I know they said they had taken steps to make it more difficult but I don't remember any direct quotes. If I were them I wouldn't have said anything.
I remember a couple members of Watermelon responding to claims (by at least that guy from China a few times) that the game had been dumped and they said that there was no way it had been done and said something to the effect of it will be a long time (if ever) before any one can pull it off successfully. Of the many different ways it was put out there, that someone would be lucky to ever dump it completely and get it to work on anything, it really did seem to be a challenge taken up by pirates.
I don't have a problem with variations of homebrew such as special editions or distinguishable differences for new print runs (even though Watermelon presents itself as more of a business than homebrew, but their first game seems to reflect that level of quality). But I haven't purchased a hard copy of Pier Solar yet because the combination of it being pre-order only without any kind of shipping date window and it coming with "REPRINT EDITION" across the front simply make to lower priority for me than too many other 16-bit games, newer and older. I don't care how good the game may or not be, it's worth buying just to have another game with Genesis aesthetics. I really appreciate that it is 100% original and new, unlike stuff like Oh Mummy! and Super Fighter Team releases.
I'm one of the people who would be happy to pay for an appropriately priced rom version, even if it only runs an emulator it comes with, as long as the emulator is extremely accurate. But I'd rather play the game on real hardware first.
I'm disappointed by the whole PS kickstarter thing, because I'd rather that effort be put into making more <16-bit games and the only ports I'd be excited about would be to <16-bt consoles. Unless the Magical Factory and kickstarter funding is to hire new teams for all of these projects, then the end result is nothing coming out for many years or that money just sits in one place as a single game is worked on at a time.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: TheOldMan on August 06, 2013, 03:34:07 PM
Please note: My original comments were not about whether the game sucked or not. It's a homebrew game, so of course it's not going to be as well done as a professionally made game. That does not excuse their attempts to market it as being 'professionally produced'.
I'm with Arkhan on this. My whole problem is not the game - it's the non-professional way the Watermelon team does things. If they want to be thought of as professional, they should act like professionals. Their mis-statements and abrupt reversals reflect badly on -all- homebrew developers.
In the eyes of Joe Public (who paid his hard earned cash for a new game): If Piers Solar is sub-par, and it's the best the homebrew scene can do (Hey, they're "pros", they even say so), then any homebrew game that gets produced must suck. Never mind that there are a lot of really good homebrew games. This is the one that is being hyped. If you are going to do that, you have an obligation (to the other homebrew devs, and the people who helped you get where you are) to produce a quality game. No broken extras, no 'little' bugs, etc.
If they didn't make enough money to cover their costs, I have no problem with a re-release to help. The problem comes in when you say the second edition is the only re-print, and it's to help cover the costs. And then you do a 3rd edition. And a 4th. All while saying "This is the last one".
Again, we see this same kind of behavior in their kickstarter. Think about it for just a minute: You contribute, and you get to decide what kind of game they write. As my mother used to say, you can't please everyone - so someone isn't going to get the game they wanted. In fact, the little investors are going to get screwed over when someone with more money than brains ( Like EBay resellers) comes in with a wad of cash just so he can have bragging rights and be able to say "That's my game". And it's unavoidable. Another unkeepable promise.
As for porting Piers Solar to other systems? Even 20 years ago, there were cpu to cpu translators. The bulk of the game should be easy to move. Well, assuming they wrote it in any kind of modular fashion. Will that happen? Of course not - they will re-write the game from scratch (probably taking another 8 years). Wasting time when they could be doing something with the things they (should have) learned. And whining because they underestimated the costs - again.
In short, my problem is with people who want to be 'professionals', but don't act like it. They act like children who have to be the center of attention all the time. If they want to be professionals, fine. Let them act like it. Produce a high-quality game. ...................................................................... FWIW: We could do Insanity on the dreamcast. It's mostly in a c-like language, so it wouldn't be that hard. And Yes, I have done Dreamcast programming before - If Arkhan ever finds me a broad-band adapter, I may do more (buring and re-burning cd's got to be too expensive) We could do Insanity on the ps1 or ps2. I've done dev work there, too. But there's the problem of making it a bootable disc there. No one wants to jump through those hoops just to play a homebrew game.
The real question, though, is why would I want to? There are other things I would rather be doing besides re-doing yet another version of the same old game. I guess that's where my real problem with them is. I just can't / don't understand why they want to keep doing the same thing, poorly.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2013, 07:24:25 PM
I don't understand the Project N/Y stuff that they do. Just come out with the game theme already.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 06, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
I think the whole GEMS system is ridiculous. I am not the first to say this (probably someone here did) but people aren't usually in a position to know what they want. They think they know but they really don't. If Nintendo allowed fans to decide the important decisions that went into making Super Metroid it wouldn't be the classic we know today. It would most likely be an overstuffed turkey of a mess.
Quoted for truth. Some people spent so much money voting on things to get into the game, by the time it's all said and done they'll have spent 10x the amount of a normal game. I don't recall the Gems to $ ratio, but you need to pay to vote. You can vote as many times as you want as long as you pay.
PS - You guys are going to LOVE the way Pier Solar HD looks. Love it. High-res backgrounds... same ol' Genesis sprites. Anything that's a sprite will look the same as it did before. But now the blockiness stands out. I don't think a lot of people realize this, they just think they're work in progress screens. Nope, those screens are done.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Necromancer on August 07, 2013, 02:47:28 AM
I think the whole GEMS system is ridiculous. I am not the first to say this (probably someone here did) but people aren't usually in a position to know what they want. They think they know but they really don't. If Nintendo allowed fans to decide the important decisions that went into making Super Metroid it wouldn't be the classic we know today. It would most likely be an overstuffed turkey of a mess.
Quoted for truth. Some people spent so much money voting on things to get into the game, by the time it's all said and done they'll have spent 10x the amount of a normal game. I don't recall the Gems to $ ratio, but you need to pay to vote. You can vote as many times as you want as long as you pay.
PS - You guys are going to LOVE the way Pier Solar HD looks. Love it. High-res backgrounds... same ol' Genesis sprites. Anything that's a sprite will look the same as it did before. But now the blockiness stands out. I don't think a lot of people realize this, they just think they're work in progress screens. Nope, those screens are done.
does the HD stand for huge disaster?
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: esteban on August 07, 2013, 07:27:12 AM
PS - You guys are going to LOVE the way Pier Solar HD looks. Love it. High-res backgrounds... same ol' Genesis sprites. Anything that's a sprite will look the same as it did before. But now the blockiness stands out. I don't think a lot of people realize this, they just think they're work in progress screens. Nope, those screens are done.
This wouldn't be so bad if it was an intentional, aesthetic vision from the game's inception...but it ISN'T. At this point, low-res sprites are simply a cost-cutting, half-assed attempt.
I don't care enough to find the screenshots, though...
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 07, 2013, 07:37:51 AM
If they're not fixing the broken gameplay though, there's not much point to playing an HD version.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: esteban on August 07, 2013, 07:45:37 AM
^Thanks for linking to the images. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
The cutscenes looked nice before, but this is a definite improvement. However, the sprites....
My prediction: in a year, there will be a new HD SPRITES PIER SOLAR Kickstarter campaign.
Stages...do this in stages and milk every part of the process.
Then, HD DOLBY SURROUND SOUND Kickstarter in 2015...
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Black Tiger on August 07, 2013, 08:52:31 AM
(http://members.shaw.ca/turboduo/misc/pshd1.jpg)
It looks like parts of backgrounds which used sprites before are being left with the low res graphics and are being blurred in places. Even if they have specifically stated that this is how the final HD version will be, I really don't believe that they will ship it without updating the sprites first.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 07, 2013, 09:21:17 AM
They probably will, and they'll come up with some goofy term for the style.
High Retronition graphics!
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 07, 2013, 11:07:23 AM
Original:
Kickstarter suped up edition:
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: nodtveidt on August 07, 2013, 01:36:38 PM
I wouldn't say Pier Solar "blows". It's a lot more professionally done than Mysterious Song which seems very amateur in comparison. I got bored with that one and stopped playing a few hours in. I'm certainly not saying Pier Solar is the greatest thing ever designed. It has lots of little design flaws in there. It's just not as bad as some of the people who program their own games here would have you believe. Those are the ones who piss and moan about Pier Solar the most. Put your money where your mouths are. Design something that blows it away. So far I've only seen simple arcade-like games and an old, very basic RPG which isn't special at all.
It's good to know that I can take all of this with a grain of salt and know that you're talking out of your ass just to get a reaction. :lol: Everyone knows that if you haven't cleared Mysterious Song within a few hours, you suck at life and should just kill yourself. :P Furthermore, I wasn't judging Pier Solar personally, just collecting all of the opinions thus far into a conclusive list and drawing a conclusion based on that.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 07, 2013, 02:12:17 PM
I agree with Joe actually. That combination of HD backgrounds and 16-bit sprites looks really nice, but I do feel like the backgrounds could look much better. Those trees in particular are bothering me.
Also did they ever say anything about fixing the balance of exp? or did they play the "someone beat the game without leveling up once" card again.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: HercTNT on August 07, 2013, 02:31:43 PM
The quality of the graphics or sound for that matter have never really been in question. Its the gameplay. Level design and balance leave alot to be desired. there is no question that making and releasing a game as watermelon did is a major undertaking and takes skill. Kudo's to them for seeing it through. However its not a free game. Criticizing a free game is low brow considering, well, its free. Pier Solar is not free and thus will draw criticism from those who paid for it. Thats how it works.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 07, 2013, 03:12:51 PM
I agree with Joe actually. That combination of HD backgrounds and 16-bit sprites looks really nice, but I do feel like the backgrounds could look much better. Those trees in particular are bothering me.
I think he was being sarcastic...
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Gillian Seed on August 07, 2013, 05:38:45 PM
If he was I agree with his sarcasm then. I like crisp chunky sprites.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: Arkhan on August 08, 2013, 05:06:41 AM
Crisp chunky sprites look goofy on top of high res backdrops. It also looks lazy.
Title: Re: pier solar hd
Post by: lukester on August 08, 2013, 10:00:05 AM
and I'm not content to just porting the same old game with new graphics... the game itself is about 20x bigger than the original... new story aspects, WAY larger world map, new towns, new items, new monsters, new magic spells... you name it and I've probably added it.