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Title: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 21, 2014, 02:27:07 PM
This is to get an idea of how many cards we are really going to need. There will probably not be enough for the first go-around. This is the unfortunate side effect of making these in-house.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: synbiosfan on April 21, 2014, 02:40:25 PM
Make that a resounding yes!
I'm checking out the thread completely next but I support homebrews so I'm in.
EDIT:Checked the thread and blog so whether it's this round or the next, I'm interested!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: roflmao on April 21, 2014, 02:47:11 PM
I plan on getting one.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Bernie on April 21, 2014, 02:53:21 PM
Hell to the yes!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: cabbage on April 21, 2014, 03:14:48 PM
Of course....
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheClash603 on April 21, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
Atlantean will be the best thing shipped out of Cleveland since Lebron James.
YES!!!!!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: jeffhlewis on April 21, 2014, 04:20:38 PM
I'm in
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Post by: ElSeven on April 21, 2014, 04:30:22 PM
definitely!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 21, 2014, 04:48:28 PM
hah, someone said no. I wish I could see who it was.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 21, 2014, 04:52:48 PM
Yesssessessss!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Dicer on April 21, 2014, 05:13:11 PM
Yup
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on April 21, 2014, 05:20:05 PM
I wish I could say "no" but I must say "yes". I'm in!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: wildfruit on April 21, 2014, 05:54:04 PM
Absolutely はい！
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on April 21, 2014, 07:26:20 PM
I was pretty shocked how many people said they'd have bought Insanity if it was on a card. There's lots of people who apparently only do their gaming with Turbo Expresses.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arjak on April 22, 2014, 05:20:20 AM
I'm definitely getting a hard copy of this. Count me in! :D
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 22, 2014, 05:26:49 AM
Those of us who are price sensitive should probably abstain from voting.
Although I don't consider $100 sensitive I apologize for muddying the waters of the vote count. Sorry Arkhan, please remove my vote. I am still interested in a hu card if its a reasonable price so I guess my vote (if there was the option) would be maybe :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 23, 2014, 10:27:29 AM
Well, we're looking at 60$ for these. Before anyone shits their pants about that, remember that it costs about 30$ just to get the stuff to make each card+case. This doesn't count in the labor involved with putting them together.
So all things considered its like 40-50$ worth of effort just to MAKE the card+case+manual project.
This is not including the effort for me making the game itself, or the 3D printer maintenance when the thing tards out and wastes plastic and needs replacement parts.
It sucks, but, that's what you get when you're 3D printing HuCards with boards and surface mount ROMs...
It's possible the price will come down after the first batch because OldMan has ideas to redesign the board which may reduce the cost.
So, does that change anyones vote?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: sirhcman on April 23, 2014, 10:36:12 AM
Honestly, I think $60 is a steal! There is a lot of work that has gone into the creation to make a proper huey so it is totally worth it! I am down for that! :dance:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: vestcoat on April 23, 2014, 10:39:51 AM
How about a tiered price system? Something like: [$20] <-- Team Rad -- Forum Regulars -- Noobs -- non-PCEFX -- Flippers -- Gougers -- 'Tards -- Roy Vegas --> [$1,000]
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Bernie on April 23, 2014, 11:27:35 AM
Hey, we have 3 no votes? Why???
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 23, 2014, 11:31:35 AM
If one cannot justify paying that price for a BRAND NEW HuCARD GAME for their turbob...I question their dedication..... :)
We still have many lurkers and members who don't post outside the sales sections, who are turned off by the prospect of the game not being factory sealed, as it limits the resale potential.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: synbiosfan on April 23, 2014, 03:15:57 PM
If one cannot justify paying that price for a BRAND NEW HuCARD GAME for their turbob...I question their dedication..... :)
We still have many lurkers and members who don't post outside the sales sections, who are turned off by the prospect of the game not being factory sealed, as it limits the resale potential.
Then I hope this release has no seal whatsoever besides the shipping method.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on April 23, 2014, 03:22:27 PM
If one cannot justify paying that price for a BRAND NEW HuCARD GAME for their turbob...I question their dedication..... :)
We still have many lurkers and members who don't post outside the sales sections, who are turned off by the prospect of the game not being factory sealed, as it limits the resale potential.
Then I hope this release has no seal whatsoever besides the shipping method.
QFT
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 23, 2014, 03:36:36 PM
Will definitely still buy. :3
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: spenoza on April 23, 2014, 03:47:02 PM
If one cannot justify paying that price for a BRAND NEW HuCARD GAME for their turbob...I question their dedication..... :)
We still have many lurkers and members who don't post outside the sales sections, who are turned off by the prospect of the game not being factory sealed, as it limits the resale potential.
Arky should sell two different packages. One is the regular, $60 non-sealed one. The second would be a $150 special sealed package which has one of those silver VOID stickers across all 3 sides of the case that open AND plastic shrinkwrap. That way the sealed game nuts can have their special edition sealed game, and it would be a completely different thing, so nobody would get butt-hurt. And he could make some cash on the side. All he'd need to do is keep some plastic, some VOID stickers, and a hair dryer around. And maybe a special $1000 package that has a trigger mechanism such that if you actually open the case, it wipes the AbCard (maybe there was never a game on there to begin with!).
I'm all for elaborate ploys...
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on April 23, 2014, 04:27:54 PM
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The second would be a $150 special sealed package ....
I told him, we should make 5 collectors editions cards, and seal 10 of them.... :) 50/50 chance you actually got one :) Of course, if you open it and look......
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....it limits the resale potential.
Our sales contract may say you have a limited, non-transferable license for use on one system.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: jeffhlewis on April 23, 2014, 05:06:51 PM
I say shrink wrap all of them, and right before shipping use a butter knife to rip just enough of the shrink wrap on each copy to piss off the collectards. Then we can watch them piss and moan on their retarded Youtube channels.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Punch on April 23, 2014, 05:21:19 PM
I've said it once already, shrink wrap only one copy, and put it on ebay for outrageous prices (put it in a VGA graded case for a plus). Halts every flipping attempt, because they can't claim there are no sealed copies of the game, so they can't send their copies to be VGA'd, and they won't be able to find sealed copies anywhere :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: o.pwuaioc on April 23, 2014, 05:33:14 PM
I've said it once already, shrink wrap only one copy, and put it on ebay for outrageous prices (put it in a VGA graded case for a plus). Halts every flipping attempt, because they can't claim there are no sealed copies of the game, so they can't send their copies to be VGA'd, and they won't be able to find sealed copies anywhere :)
Pretty brilliant, actually. Except for the fact that it requires sending $$$ to VGA.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 23, 2014, 05:37:17 PM
How about I seal them with a lighter.
Melted together, for your collecting pleasure.
Anyway, yeah, the only seal you're getting from me is the Arkhan Seal-of-f*ck-Collectors-This-Game-Is-Supposed-To-Be-Played.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on April 23, 2014, 05:42:34 PM
Looks like Ark never learned anything from the Watermelon school of proper homebrewery tactics. [-( :P
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: FiftyQuid on April 23, 2014, 08:06:27 PM
Late to the party, but I voted YES. I'll even throw in extra $$$ to ship it tracked to the Great White North.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: tggodfrey on April 24, 2014, 01:34:38 AM
There is no god if I do not get one.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Black Tiger on April 24, 2014, 05:07:11 AM
I say shrink wrap all of them, and right before shipping use a butter knife to rip just enough of the shrink wrap on each copy to piss off the collectards. Then we can watch them piss and moan on their retarded Youtube channels.
That will only legimize the pro grading of the game. Everyone will buy stacks of the game to be graded, hoping to score a higher grade than anyone else has. Then it will be listed on eBay as "R@RE! *Only 8.5 copy on eBay!* L@@K!"
The problem with a hobby based on b.s. is that there is nothing to stop it. Each seller simply evolves the standard rules of their hobby to suit their particular sale of an item. Then the next guy builds his b.s. off off that.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 24, 2014, 05:46:44 AM
I was thinking about having the manual say
"If you paid more than 60$ for this game, you got taken for a ride by some douche."
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: shubibiman on April 24, 2014, 06:26:39 AM
Still OK for 60$.
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Post by: tggodfrey on April 24, 2014, 08:46:55 AM
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Post by: synbiosfan on April 25, 2014, 07:09:49 AM
I believe so :clap:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Bardoly on April 25, 2014, 08:07:00 AM
I plan to buy a copy of Atlantean on a card.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: seieienbu on April 25, 2014, 02:04:10 PM
Out of curiosity, how long does it take to actually manufacture this stuff?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Lochlan on April 25, 2014, 02:09:40 PM
You should charge more. I get that this is a hobby for you rather than a business per se, but I, for one, would be happy to pay $100 for a hand-assembled 3D-printed game.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: vestcoat on April 25, 2014, 02:58:34 PM
You should charge more. I get that this is a hobby for you rather than a business per se, but I, for one, would be happy to pay $100 for a hand-assembled 3D-printed game.
If I may be so bold, I think part of Arkhan's philosophy -- of programming classic games for real hardware and not shrink wrapping them -- is specifically to cater to gamers and invigorate the culture that spawned video games. Part of that culture is pricing games in the same ballpark as other kids toys.
He COULD charge $100 and most of us would still buy it, but boutique prices perpetuate collector mentality, artificial scarcity, reselling, and sitting-on-the-shelf-in-a-polybag "investment" bullshit.
Prices for Insanity and PP never compromised. Aetherbyte is in no danger of selling themselves short.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on April 25, 2014, 05:11:26 PM
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Out of curiosity, how long does it take to actually manufacture this stuff?
Assuming I have everything at hand, and don't have to wait for it....
It's about an hour to mount the chip and make sure it works. That includes time for repairs/rework, if needed. It takes anywhere from 5 to 10 hours to print the plastic parts, depending on how the printer feels that day. That's right, 5 to 10 hours. The card holder takes 4+ hours alone. Screw-ups after an hour or two of printing are fairly common, too. It takes about an hour to mount the chip/board in the plastic. That's a very touchy, sensitive process, because we have to be accurate to .01 mm, or the contacts don't line up. It takes another hour or two for programming and testing. Each card gets written twice (once US, once JP) to make sure it works in either machine. Any failures here have to start over, and the board has to be un-mounted first. It does happen, mostly due to solder joints breaking because the board got flexed during mounting.
Some of these operations can be over-lapped. I can print plastic while mounting chips or complete boards. The limiting factor is how quick I can make the plastic parts - 3D printing is slow for larger objects, especially if you want them to look nice.
And it doesn't help that I actually am an old man, and can't stare at a small chip through a magnifier for too long without getting a headache :)
I can manage, on the average, about 1 card a day, given a weeks head start on the plastic stuff. Some days I get none done, some days two or three. It averages out to 1 a day, with final finishing and cleaning.
(And I don't work Thursday, Friday, or Sunday.)
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He COULD charge $100 and most of us would still buy it.
Like Arkhan said, about half of the $60 price tag is to cover what we have -already- invested in materials. Feeding the printer alone is a huge chunk of that - especially when its being a pain and nothing wants to print right, or it fails on the next-to-last layer of the cd plate because a wire breaks. (The wires to the print head flex a lot, and are a frequent failure point) All we are looking for from our sales is enought to recoup our investment, and pay for parts for the next run.
[For those who are really curious, we also have about another $3k invested in tools and sundries. (Price a good 3d printer. And remember, we got ours almost 2 years ago...) Almost none of the money is actual 'profit'. We are hoping the next run will help pay for a filament maker :) ]
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheClash603 on April 26, 2014, 06:13:57 AM
That last post provided a lot of insight and also made me feel guilty.
You guys are doing A TON for the TG16 community, something which can't really be matched by most of the rest of us.
Perhaps there should be a $60 price, but then an option to donate $20 at the buyers discretion out of appreciation, with nothing else provided in return. I for one wouldn't mind contributing to a big fancy dinner for the two of you, so you can pat yourselves on the back. Obviously you won't get rich off the extra portion, but maybe treat yourself to something small and deserved.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: FiftyQuid on April 26, 2014, 09:19:16 AM
Couldn't we just buy them both a fleshlight and/or some lube? :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: seieienbu on April 26, 2014, 10:29:00 AM
Clearly! How do you get the circuitry on the hucard? Does a 3D printer handle that too? I honestly don't know too much about the things...
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on April 26, 2014, 11:34:39 AM
The circuitry is etched on a 0.30 mm circuit board. (We don't have to hunt for someone to do thick, old style 0.90 mm boards). The chip is soldered on the board - on the bottom, so it doesn't stick up. The board then locks / is glued into place on the plastic. (We have to glue them because they have to be positioned 'just so'. The locks get it close, but it still takes some small adjustments, and the printer is only accurate to about 0.03 mm.)
BUT a team at MIT has a working head for a 3d printer that does print conductive traces. Only about $3000......
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Couldn't we just buy them both a fleshlight and/or some lube?
Is that a joke, or a recommendation from experience? :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Lochlan on April 26, 2014, 12:07:42 PM
Prices for Insanity and PP never compromised. Aetherbyte is in no danger of selling themselves short.
It's drastically cheaper and easier to manufacture CD titles. At least an order of magnitude.
I wrote my previous message under the assumption that "a lot" of time goes into manufacturing Atlantean, but I had no idea it was on the level of what TheOldMan described. Given the amount of work going into this endeavor, I personally don't think even $100 is a sufficiently "fair" price. A full day's labor is necessary to manufacture what has already had a ton of programming and art work go into it. What an achievement! It's impressive, not to mention commendable, that so much is going into providing a professional-quality product for an extremely niche hobbyist market.
My initial opinion is that the Aetherbyte team's efforts to deter "collectors" with this $60 price-point (basically a gift) will ultimately be in vain. (How could such a lovingly-crafted product help but become a "collector's item"?) The inherent slowness of the manufacturing process seems like it will force Atlantean, by design, to be produced in only extremely-limited quantities. Perhaps the thought here is that by manufacturing this in-house they can meet supply over time and never be "out of print"? And by charging $60 they can have access to a more "casual" customer at regional game expos and so forth? There must also be some fairly radical populist economic reasons behind the price-point, so I think it's pointless to try and convince Aetherbyte to charge even $100--but I could hardly call it a gouge if they decided to charge even more than that.
@The Old Man and Arkhan: I'm assuming you guys must have also considered having HuCards made in China or something like that, right? Is the market too niche and the tooling too expensive to permit a more conventional production run (as opposed to the hand-made approach used for Atlantean)?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on April 26, 2014, 01:18:52 PM
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I'm assuming you guys must have also considered having HuCards made in China or something like that, right?
Nope. From the beginning, this project was about seeing if we could do it from scratch. If we could have solved the through-hole problem, we would be using self-etched boards, as well :)
Btw: this is only #2 of the tri-fecta :) An ACD would make it complete :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on April 26, 2014, 01:24:47 PM
A product made in China would surely bring many more headaches I'm assuming. These guys love their product, their community, and their hobby. That brings with it a level of professionalism and quality that you wouldn't get with a Chinese manufacturing process.
To Ark, OldMan, and the rest of Atherbyte; Thank you for all your hard work, love and steadfast dedication to getting out not only a brand new game, but an actual f*cking HuCard! You guys rock, you're price point is beyond fair, and greedy resellers don't seem to have any friends at this studio. *Brofist*
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: seieienbu on April 26, 2014, 01:28:56 PM
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity. Can't wait to check out the finished product.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Black Tiger on April 26, 2014, 03:55:12 PM
Nope. From the beginning, this project was about seeing if we could do it from scratch. If we could have solved the through-hole problem, we would be using self-etched boards, as well :)
Btw: this is only #2 of the tri-fecta :) An ACD would make it complete :)
What about a CD-ROMROM game?
...or LD-ROM? :wink:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on April 26, 2014, 04:28:01 PM
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Thanks for satisfying my curiosity.
You're welcome. We are not trying to hide anything about the process, so ask away.
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What about a CD-ROMROM game?...or LD-ROM?
Which one? Insanity or PP ? I'm talking a game that uses the arcade card - all of it, if possible. (And if things go right, it will be backwards compatible with older system cards. Just not as flashy)
And I have 0 interest in laserdiscs.
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I wrote my previous message under the assumption that "a lot" of time goes into manufacturing Atlantean, but I had no idea it was on the level of what TheOldMan described.
Go back and read again. Yes, it's time-consuming, but a lot of things can overlap, or don't require me to be there. I typically:
Monday: 1) start the printer up, printing the card plate. I know that's gonna take a while, but I don't have to watch it every minute. 2) Heat the soldering iron. Now I can start on the cards. I can usually get 1 or 2 done before the printer decides if it's gonna be okay or not. If it is, I keep going, till it finishes, or I have 5 cards soldered. 3) Kill the printer, so I can remove the plate. While that's hapening, I set up for mounting the card. 4) Remove the cd plate, and re-start the printer. If I'm lucky, and the printer is in a good mood, I can get another one done. If not, or if I had to stop it for some reason, I can still start another one today. 5) Mount the cards, and test them. By the time the second plate is done, I know which cards are good and which need fixed; I'm getting better at it, and usually only have 1-2 failures. 6) Kill the printer, and remove the second plate. That's probably it for today.
Tuesday: Start printing more plates. While that's going, I fix any problem cards. If I'm out of other pieces, that's what I print later. Otherwise, I make sure all the cards work, and catch up until I have 5 good, working cards. Note that I'm 2 cards ahead of the printer.
Wednesday: Again, more plates or other pieces. With luck, by the end of the day, I'm caught up with everything, and have 5 ready to go cards. Take note: this is usually the printers day, and I can do other things if needed.
Saturday: This is down-time for the printer, usually. I clean it and grease it, and run a few other 'fun' things to make sure it's still calibrated and ready to go. If anything broke, I make another spare - I used the last one when I fixed it before :) If it's been a bad week, I catch up on plates or other stuff.
It sounds like a lot of work, but ...... I spend one morning soldering; I spend another mounting and testing. Other than that, I'm pretty free to do other things. I just have to check the printer every hour or so. It's doing all the slow stuff :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: RayXambeR on April 26, 2014, 08:04:19 PM
Of course, I plan on getting one!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 27, 2014, 11:17:16 AM
Yeah I'll never delegate work to China. I don't want a Magical Watermelon Super Mega Enhanced CD fiasco on my hands due to Chang's Replication Emporium doing a shitty job.
When we open up sales, I'm not going to turn away extra money any of you feel like you want to pay. It's just going to go into the card funding anyway.
Unless one of you wiseasses donates like 10,000$. That would immediately go into hookers, cocaine, and sunglasses.
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Post by: HailingTheThings on April 27, 2014, 12:34:01 PM
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Post by: Punch on April 27, 2014, 12:56:57 PM
Mind if I ask what kind of 3D printer you're using? I didn't knew they were durable enough to do cartridge shells and such. Guess I'm not up to date on current DIY 3D printing technology.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Bernie on April 27, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
5 no votes..... wtf??
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on April 27, 2014, 02:14:50 PM
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Mind if I ask what kind of 3D printer you're using?
Something called a 'solidoodle'. We got it right after their kickstarter ended, and I've done quite a few mods to it. If you're looking for one, get the model 3 with the 8x8 bed, and an e3d hot-end. Also check out the forum (google soliforum) - the guys there have been really helpful in figuring out how to tune it.
It's still hit-or-miss tech, though. Sometimes I can run 100+ hours without anything going wrong / breaking. Other times, it seems like it dies every other day :) But I think the quick failures are more from me trying to hurry getting it fixed rather than major design flaws. From what I've read, I'm doing pretty well with the repetative nature of the things I print.
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I didn't knew they were durable enough to do cartridge shells and such.
ABS is pretty tough stuff. Its used for a lot of plastic cases for things.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 27, 2014, 06:25:26 PM
ABS is pretty tough stuff. Its used for a lot of plastic cases for things.
I remember learning about ABS in plastics class in high school, from memory...it stands for ack-rill-lonny-tril (lol) butadene (lol pt 2) styrene, yes?
All I can remember is what it stood for, if that's even it. Wowzers. That class was actually fun. I miss embedding random stuffs in plastic to make keychains and what-have-you.
*sigh*
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: spenoza on April 28, 2014, 05:06:11 PM
I bet you guys are waiting for the day you can afford to upgrade to a newer printer model. Some of the newer ones are quite flexible and quality, at a much better price. Then again, considering you've been working with what you have for a while, might be better to stick with the devil you know.
Still more ground to cover in plastics printing, though. 3D replication is really a fantastic technology that we've only just begun to tap.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on April 28, 2014, 06:11:06 PM
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I bet you guys are waiting for the day you can afford to upgrade to a newer printer model.
Not really. I see a lot of printers trying to get started, but when you look at the specs, it's pretty much the same machine. I chose what I chose based on the following:
Does it do both ABS and PLA? Can I run any other filaments (nylon, platic wood, etc)? What kind of resolution does it have? 0.30 mm layers? How about 0.20mm? 0.10mm? What size nozzels does it use? Can I easily change it from 0.40 to 0.25 or smaller? Does it require special filament cartridges? How much is filament for it, anyway? How big of a print can I do? How long does it take for the bed to heat? Where is it made? How much is it? How much is shipping? Is it actually in production, and being used, or is it still in kickstarter?
The one I have does PLA/ABS, out of the box. With an e3d hot end, there isn't much I can't print on it. (Yes, the e3d will do fake wood, nylon, and a hand full of others, including a conductive plastic) I ususally run at 0.30mm layers - but that's a matter of speed. I have used a smaller nozzle (0.25 opening) and done prints at 0.10 mm layers, but they take forever. They look nice, though. Filament for the thing is a standard 1.75mm, available most anywhere. It's a bit expensive (2lbs for ~$50, without shipping) but a filament extruder would bring that price down - a lot (~$5/lb) The bed is 6x6, so theoretically I can do a print that size. The cd plates are actually about 5 3/4 x 5 3/4, and I don't have too many problems, other than the nozzle clogging. And that's a very, very common problem for all these type of printers. I have reduced that drastically with the e3d, though. The bed heats pretty slowly (about 15 min) but there are options to fix that, too. I just haven't seen a need for it. 15 min on the internet while waiting for the bed to heat is just about right to read the forums :) It's made in the USA, so that's a plus. It was about $800 when I bought it, including shipping and some filament - but the newer models (the sd2 basic) are down to $399, last I checked (sans shipping and filament). Most importantly, it was actually in production at the time. I watched their forums, and read the feedback on the initial models. A lot of people were surprised at how well it worked for the price. I got a lot of advice and information there before I actually ordered one - and a lot of advice getting it to print nicely (especially at 0.10mm ) and what to upgrade, in what order.
Just as importantly, however, is the fact that it is all open-source. I can look on thingiverse and find all the plastic parts - and in many cases, better versions of them. I can merge the latest changes in Marlin/Sprinter to update the controller. I'm not stuck using someones proprietary 'fork' of the software, and I can use any slicer and/or frontend I want. I'm told that I can start from scratch and build one for way less $$, but thats a little beyond me, mechanically. (Tools and I don't mix well)
All in all, I don't see any 'must-have' features in the newer printers, or even much of an upgrade over what I have. I do have to say that it's a hard machine to kill, too. I've screwed up just about everything you can screw up ("How exactly did you melt the hot end?"), but I've been able to get it running - and printing nicely- time and time again. Even when I blew up the controller board.
....Now if there were a cheap laser/resin printer, maybe.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: turboswimbz on April 29, 2014, 12:24:55 AM
ABS is pretty tough stuff. Its used for a lot of plastic cases for things.
I remember learning about ABS in plastics class in high school, from memory...it stands for ack-rill-lonny-tril (lol) butadene (lol pt 2) styrene, yes?
All I can remember is what it stood for, if that's even it. Wowzers. That class was actually fun. I miss embedding random stuffs in plastic to make keychains and what-have-you.
*sigh*
Your naming is right. plastic class sounds actually pretty neat. ABS is a polymer made up of those three compounds repeated in essentially one big chain. Actually quite an interesting structure. Not without it's own problems, but extremely useful in modern society. (theoldman is right it's literally all around you electronics, cars, toys, even some packaging)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on April 29, 2014, 05:12:29 AM
I'd be too busy making plastic cocks to take plastic class seriously.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on April 29, 2014, 10:19:34 AM
ABS is pretty tough stuff. Its used for a lot of plastic cases for things.
I remember learning about ABS in plastics class in high school, from memory...it stands for ack-rill-lonny-tril (lol) butadene (lol pt 2) styrene, yes?
All I can remember is what it stood for, if that's even it. Wowzers. That class was actually fun. I miss embedding random stuffs in plastic to make keychains and what-have-you.
*sigh*
Your naming is right. plastic class sounds actually pretty neat. ABS is a polymer made up of those three compounds repeated in essentially one big chain. Actually quite an interesting structure. Not without it's own problems, but extremely useful in modern society. (theoldman is right it's literally all around you electronics, cars, toys, even some packaging)
Actually, I would just like to support homebrew, so if it's a CD only later on or something, I wouldn't mind.
Not too late. There will be no CD. :3
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: esteban on May 24, 2014, 01:46:06 AM
I just wanted to state, again, that YES I WILL BUY THIS.
THANK YOU.
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcg0.html)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: vestcoat on May 24, 2014, 07:59:44 AM
I'll probably just shoplift it, dub to cassette, return for store credit, digitize, seed a torrent, buy a limited edition copy from Roy Vegas, get it VGA graded, post a photo in my signature, and then resell it to Dark Kobold.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: VodNate on May 24, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
Yes, I'd like one.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: spenoza on May 25, 2014, 08:21:23 AM
Will this thing be demoed/shown off at the June CGS?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 25, 2014, 12:23:58 PM
I'll probably just shoplift it, dub to cassette, return for store credit, digitize, seed a torrent, buy a limited edition copy from Roy Vegas, get it VGA graded, post a photo in my signature, and then resell it to Dark Kobold.
omg
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 25, 2014, 01:58:48 PM
All this talk of plastic cocks and no release date for this game??? This thread is a total tease.
P.S. - I'll take Atlantean and 2 plastic cocks please.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 25, 2014, 02:07:24 PM
All this talk of plastic cocks and no release date for this game??? This thread is a total tease.
P.S. - I'll take Atlantean and 2 plastic cocks please.
oh my stars
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: BlackandBlue on May 27, 2014, 07:34:51 AM
Game looks badass. Im down
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: esadajr on May 27, 2014, 07:41:22 AM
only if there is a limited "screw collectards" edition
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on May 28, 2014, 07:41:03 AM
LISTEN. I AM THE BONER MASTER.
And yes it will be demoed at CCAG. However, CCAG is at the end of July this year, in a new venue!
We're planning on basically having the release coincide with that, more or less. This may mean some of you get hosed out of buying a first batch card so we can have a handful to take and sell there.
But, everyone will get one eventually. :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: vestcoat on May 28, 2014, 08:36:33 AM
Boner Proposal: customers who've previously purchased Insanity and Pyramid Plunder will be processed on a first-come, first-served basis. Aetherbyte virgins who only come around for a Hucard release go to the get-hosed waiting list.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on May 28, 2014, 08:53:19 AM
Yeah that was basically how this was going to play out.
The first people who have purchasing rights are the people who bought the ProtoCards, though. Since, their money is what helped get to this point.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 28, 2014, 04:21:09 PM
Another Boner Proposal: People that pay first get a copy first.
P.S. - Payment Sent. :-" Is my dick in the mail yet?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on May 28, 2014, 05:16:39 PM
This may mean some of you get hosed out of buying a first batch card so we can have a handful to take and sell there
Oh well, welcome to Weinerville!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on May 28, 2014, 05:44:41 PM
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The first people who have purchasing rights are the people who bought the ProtoCards, though.
These people kindly bought the original version to fund the current version. (Even I admit they were pretty home-made looking) If it weren't for them, there would be no ABCards. We are just giving back to those who helped fund further developement.
(Bet they are happy now that they did.)
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People that pay first get a copy first.
No. Just because you sit and wait to pounce on an announcement shouldn't have any effect on our business model. We try to do these things *for the community*, not for the folks who can't/won't wait. A lot of them have been waiting longer than you. (And arkhan and I are still discussing allowing 'old-timers' first dibs. One thing Arkhan and I agree on is that the people who helped us way back when shouldn't get shut out by newbies looking for something to flip. )
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it seems the offer of monies now for game later is not available
Again, that's not our business model. We don't want to take any moneys until the game is done. Then there is no moaning about when it will be done, or even if it will be done. When you pay, it goes in the mail.
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This may mean some of you get hosed out of buying a first batch card
Or not. I have 2 months to make more. We already have 50+.... I'll try to boost that to 100+ by the end of July :) If you are really that anxious for the game, come see us at CCAG. A few other people here have :)
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Arkan doesn't get boner jokes.
He got it, I'm sure. He just chose to be the better man, and ignore it. He's like that on occasion. (Though not usually in public) ................................................................................................. And remember: - We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. - You are purchasing a non-transferrable license to the game.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 28, 2014, 06:12:28 PM
Did you just call me a pouncer, impatient, and newbie all at once? I'll give you impatient, but pouncer I've never been. Newbie I'll deal with.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on May 29, 2014, 03:09:00 AM
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Did you just call me....
Nope. Don't take things so personally. Those were second person plural yous (As in, you guys or you, my countrymen). Often used when talking to a group of people to bring their attention to a particular point. Worked, dodn't it?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: FiftyQuid on May 29, 2014, 04:24:03 AM
Nope. Don't take things so personally. Those were second person plural yous (As in, you guys or you, my countrymen). Often used when talking to a group of people to bring their attention to a particular point. Worked, dodn't it?
I was actually just kidding. My post was supposed to read like Goodfellas. Fail = Yes. :( I will go back to my corner now.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on May 29, 2014, 10:03:23 AM
Limited edition presale here (http://bit.ly/1op5fE8).
Very helpful link!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 02, 2014, 10:28:04 AM
So basically (insert spanic accent) it is underwater defender woth sea people.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: spenoza on June 02, 2014, 03:59:42 PM
Jya, that's about the long and short of it. Arkhan has a hard-on (Turboner?) for classic arcade games, so his personal projects tend to reflect that.
Not a bad plan, really. There's generally room to spruce up older arcade-style games, even with new gameplay elements, and their mechanics are pretty well understood and so not impossible for an individual to work out.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Punch on June 03, 2014, 07:41:31 AM
and their mechanics are pretty well understood and so not impossible for an individual to work out.
Except for Street Fighter. Man I still don't understand how people can analyze frame-by-frame hitboxes and stuff.
I'm talking older classics than that. Let's look at some of the games Arkhan has used as his inspiration for his various titles.
Berzerk (1980) Pac-Man (1980) Defender (1980)
I'm not sure Street Fighter fits into that mix well ; )
BERZERK!
Man this was the FIRST home game I played that I honestly felt like I just plopped a quarter into an arcade.....granted I have never had the pleasure of playing this game in the arcades but it looked and felt like an arcade...this game and some sort of rubiz cube color swap Atari 2600 game where the first two loves of my home console playing life...
In fact a few years back I went into such a BERZERK fetish that I bought up every version for the Atari I could find and when ever I do get a vetrex it is to play BERZERK...
Evil otto for the win....
I mean he'll if you get the 2600 port and open up that manual....there is actual art in it showing a display of the robots......
And the main hero. Very Logan's run.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: esteban on June 03, 2014, 04:40:58 PM
Logan's Run (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.html)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: spenoza on June 04, 2014, 11:13:38 AM
I had no clue there were indie releases for the TG. This is pretty damn awesome. What other indie releases are must haves?
I'm going to go order Insanity right now!
I don't know if "must have" is a good thing to throw around when it comes to indie games ...
makes it feel like it will soon be swallowed up but collectors all to soon and then become no different from shelf ware that already exist ..........
I dont' know ...just seemed to strike me as odd to hear "must have" and indie games that are being made for older systems that no longer exist "I don't include repro games in my idea of indie games as they are ports of already existing games"....not to say fan translations are not the work of the devil lol...because that is a laborer of love...
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 08, 2014, 02:39:27 AM
I don't know if "must have" is a good thing to throw around when it comes to indie games ...
makes it feel like it will soon be swallowed up but collectors all to soon and then become no different from shelf ware that already exist ..........
I dont' know ...just seemed to strike me as odd to hear "must have" and indie games that are being made for older systems that no longer exist "I don't include repro games in my idea of indie games as they are ports of already existing games"....not to say fan translations are not the work of the devil lol...because that is a laborer of love...
I meant no disrespect whatsoever. All I meant was if there was a Sturmwind released, basically a title that was pretty much a AAA official release, except not. All indie releases are labors of love, but once and a while a game will come along that is just so O_O wow great that it is a must own by everyone. I strongly feel that way about Sturmwind on the Dreamcast. That game is incredible, and I think everyone who owns a DC should purchase it. That's sort of what I meant by must-have :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 08, 2014, 02:48:08 AM
Mysterious Song (must have) Pyramid Plunder Meteor Blaster Implode Lucretia (soon to be released must have)
Thanks for the info :) Looks like the makers of Mysterious Song are gone or they're having website issues. I looked on eBay, but don't see anything there. I might have to miss out on that one sadly, and it's a shame as it looks great.
I found this link for Lucretia: http://eponasoft.blogspot.ca/p/shop-eponasoft.html and I'm going to assume that's still valid, but with an outdated release date? I pre-ordered my copy, so hopefully that's the correct link ;)
Anyways, thanks for the great suggestions :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 08, 2014, 03:52:13 AM
The Old Rover is the lead man for both Frozen Utopia and Eponasoft. Both very much alive and kicking! New copies of Mysterious Song are out there somewhere... I forget what site, though. Someone here probably remembers. Side note: A sequel is in the works and there has been some discussion about doing another run of Mysterious Song.
Thanks for the info! I shot The Old Rover a PM, but if anyone else knows where I could snag a copy of Mysterious Song please let me know :)
This is absolutely awesome. I love being able to buy brand new games for a system that is no longer supported. I recently picked up Knight's Chance on the Neo, and damn was that impressive.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Bardoly on June 08, 2014, 07:15:39 AM
I had no clue there were indie releases for the TG. This is pretty damn awesome. What other indie releases are must haves?
I'm going to go order Insanity right now!
In my opinion, all of them are 'must haves'. :-" I am all for supporting home brew developers, so unless something released was proven garbage put out solely for the purpose of scalping Turbo lovers, then I will buy a copy and recommend others to do the same. That said, I personally got far more enjoyment from Mysterious Song and Pyramid Plunder than I did from the other indie games.
I believe that Good Deal Games still has new stock of Mysterious Song and most of the other indie releases as well.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Black Tiger on June 08, 2014, 08:03:32 AM
Mysterious Song (must have) Pyramid Plunder Meteor Blaster Implode Lucretia (soon to be released must have)
Thanks for the info :) Looks like the makers of Mysterious Song are gone or they're having website issues. I looked on eBay, but don't see anything there. I might have to miss out on that one sadly, and it's a shame as it looks great.
I found this link for Lucretia: http://eponasoft.blogspot.ca/p/shop-eponasoft.html and I'm going to assume that's still valid, but with an outdated release date? I pre-ordered my copy, so hopefully that's the correct link ;)
In my opinion, all of them are 'must haves'. :-" I am all for supporting home brew developers, so unless something released was proven garbage put out solely for the purpose of scalping Turbo lovers, then I will buy a copy and recommend others to do the same. That said, I personally got far more enjoyment from Mysterious Song and Pyramid Plunder than I did from the other indie games.
I believe that Good Deal Games still has new stock of Mysterious Song and most of the other indie releases as well.
Thanks for the info! I just contacted them and asked for the total for all six games they currently have listed on the site. I sure hope they've got them all in-stock.
Thanks again! :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 08, 2014, 08:06:04 AM
Pyramid Plunder is as much fun as any game, 16-bit or otherwise.
Great game for sure.
But Insanity is better!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 08, 2014, 08:46:05 AM
I've been checking out most of these games while I wait for Good Deal Games to get back to me, and they look really good. It's going to be fun doing video reviews for these indie releases. :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 08, 2014, 01:35:56 PM
I believe that Good Deal Games still has new stock of Mysterious Song and most of the other indie releases as well.
I contacted them about Revival Chase like forever ago or something, have yet to hear back.
:(
I bought my copy of that game from Good Deal Games. This must've added me to their mailing list, because about a month after I got an email that said "We have 5 copies left at 1/2 price..." or something to that effect. I tried to nab one, only to find out it was already gone. Anyway, that is my long was of saying I thought they were sold out, unless they A.) got new stock, or B.) that was just a few extras they had without the magazine.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 08, 2014, 03:28:13 PM
I'll let you guys know if anyone gets back to me, but now I'm not so confident O_o
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheClash603 on June 08, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
I bought my copy of that game from Good Deal Games. This must've added me to their mailing list, because about a month after I got an email that said "We have 5 copies left at 1/2 price..." or something to that effect. I tried to nab one, only to find out it was already gone. Anyway, that is my long was of saying I thought they were sold out, unless they A.) got new stock, or B.) that was just a few extras they had without the magazine.
Well, now I'm sad. That game looked fun. :(
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Lost Monkey on June 08, 2014, 10:49:37 PM
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 09, 2014, 02:32:49 AM
So I heard back from the site, they have all the games in-stock and ready to ship except Mysterious Song. Go figure, as that's the one I was the most excited for.
That means I'm still on the hunt for Mysterious Song if anyone knows where I can purchase a copy, please let me know :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: roflmao on June 09, 2014, 04:55:22 PM
I found this link for Lucretia: http://eponasoft.blogspot.ca/p/shop-eponasoft.html and I'm going to assume that's still valid, but with an outdated release date? I pre-ordered my copy, so hopefully that's the correct link ;)
Thanks for re-posting this link. I just placed my pre-order as well.
Like Bardoly mentioned, you really can't go wrong with any of the homebrew games. I try to support all homebrew efforts (though I missed out on the French magazine one) and I haven't been disappointed yet. Highlights include Pyramid Plunder, Mysterious Song and Implode. They all have gotten to know my Obey machines quite well. :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 09, 2014, 05:00:22 PM
So I heard back from the site, they have all the games in-stock and ready to ship except Mysterious Song. Go figure, as that's the one I was the most excited for.
That means I'm still on the hunt for Mysterious Song if anyone knows where I can purchase a copy, please let me know :)
So...then...they have Revival Chase still....?
I never hear a GD thing from them yet? WTF?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 09, 2014, 05:02:30 PM
Thanks for re-posting this link. I just placed my pre-order as well.
Like Bardoly mentioned, you really can't go wrong with any of the homebrew games. I try to support all homebrew efforts (though I missed out on the French magazine one) and I haven't been disappointed yet. Highlights include Pyramid Plunder, Mysterious Song and Implode. They all have gotten to know my Obey machines quite well. :)
Glad the link helped someone else.
I'm trying everything in my power to score a copy of Mysterious Song because I've got the other five indie releases on their way. When that package comes in it's going to be awesome playing brand new Turbo games :). Now if only I could find Mysterious Song!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 09, 2014, 05:05:34 PM
So I heard back from the site, they have all the games in-stock and ready to ship except Mysterious Song. Go figure, as that's the one I was the most excited for.
That means I'm still on the hunt for Mysterious Song if anyone knows where I can purchase a copy, please let me know :)
So...then...they have Revival Chase still....?
I never hear a GD thing from them yet? WTF?
Yup they've got Revival Chase in stock. Send another email, maybe it simply slipped through the cracks. Either that or they liked the fact I'm spending near $200 on games.
I take it you were joking about contacting those users for Mysterious Song. I haven't been around long enough to know the price gougers yet ;)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 10, 2014, 09:07:53 PM
I take it you were joking about contacting those users for Mysterious Song. I haven't been around long enough to know the price gougers yet ;)
RoyVegas did some stuff, but he seems like a good guy, I'd honestly trust him, but I don't think he actually has it. And Storino, well he's a dirty, dirty MF.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 11, 2014, 01:44:20 AM
Keranu sent me a PM, said he has 5 copies and will gladly sell one to me. This just made my whole day. Since he's a mod with tons of posts I'm going to say he's trustworthy ;). Thanks for he head's up about Storino though, very good to know.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Bardoly on June 11, 2014, 04:49:23 AM
Yeah, Keranu's cool. I've actually met him in person when I drove over to his place (like 9 miles away) to pick up my copy of Mysterious Song on its official release date. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 11, 2014, 04:58:52 AM
Yeah, Keranu's cool. I've actually met him in person when I drove over to his place (like 9 miles away) to pick up my copy of Mysterious Song on its official release date. :mrgreen:
Awesome! :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Black Tiger on June 11, 2014, 05:14:54 AM
Keranu sent me a PM, said he has 5 copies and will gladly sell one to me. This just made my whole day. Since he's a mod with tons of posts I'm going to say he's trustworthy ;). Thanks for he head's up about Storino though, very good to know.
Since he worked on the game and did a lot of the distributing, you can definitely trust him. He took the photos of the final product on that Mysterious Song site I put together.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2014, 05:54:46 AM
Since he worked on the game and did a lot of the distributing, you can definitely trust him. He took the photos of the final product on that Mysterious Song site I put together.
Fantastic. I've been looking everywhere for this game. :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2014, 08:53:39 AM
Oh, and to bring this thread back on topic:
Atlantean is rapidly coming to a close. I am basically planning to have to release around the same time as CCAG this year.
So, a little over a month, unless something horrible happens during playtesting, lol.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Bardoly on June 11, 2014, 09:37:18 AM
only because I am guaranteeing that the protocard people are first to get them.
Have you pre-sold of Atlantean? I'm new around here so I'm unsure if you ever even opened pre-orders for the cards or not. :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Necromancer on June 11, 2014, 10:52:46 AM
Ark doesn't do pre-orders.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2014, 10:59:27 AM
Yeah, screw that noise.
We did preorders for Insanity, but only after the game was done, and only because I didn't have 1000$ laying around to send to a pressing house to get it made lol.
so it was more like a fundraiser.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Necromancer on June 11, 2014, 11:04:14 AM
I didn't have 1000$ laying around to send to a pressing house
f*cking hobo. Get a job. :P
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2014, 11:09:31 AM
yeah I have one of those now lol. Insanity was during college times.
NOW I HAVE ME AN EDUMCATIONS!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Necromancer on June 11, 2014, 11:21:08 AM
So where do I send monies so I can design my own player sprites and dictate level design? Watermelon f*ckteries! :twisted:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2014, 11:24:07 AM
YEAH. If you send me 4000$, it will buy you enough Aethergems to turn the Atlantean sprites into a bunch of cocks.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 11, 2014, 12:24:56 PM
Ok cool, that's good to know. So what's the standard operating procedure then? You'll let everyone know in these boards that the game is good to go, and we send you our monies and away we go?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheClash603 on June 11, 2014, 12:29:02 PM
Ok cool, that's good to know. So what's the standard operating procedure then? You'll let everyone know in these boards that the game is good to go, and we send you our monies and away we go?
Basically. Once the PCEFXers are taken care of, you can order through aetherbyte.com, but it'll be one of those like "first come first serve" things where I may email to tell you "hey we ran out, hold tight while we make more".
I am also entertaining the idea of selling the ROM through Aetherbyte (hand delivered by me).
I am sure I will make exactly one sale of that before it is thrust onto the internets for everyone, lol.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 11, 2014, 12:45:32 PM
Basically. Once the PCEFXers are taken care of, you can order through aetherbyte.com, but it'll be one of those like "first come first serve" things where I may email to tell you "hey we ran out, hold tight while we make more".
I am also entertaining the idea of selling the ROM through Aetherbyte (hand delivered by me).
I am sure I will make exactly one sale of that before it is thrust onto the internets for everyone, lol.
Ok great, thanks for the info. I'll be sure to keep it locked here then. Would really love to get my hands on a brand new card after all these years, and the game itself looks great from what I've seen online :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on June 11, 2014, 01:41:05 PM
Ok cool, that's good to know. So what's the standard operating procedure then? You'll let everyone know in these boards that the game is good to go, and we send you our monies and away we go?
Basically. Once the PCEFXers are taken care of, you can order through aetherbyte.com, but it'll be one of those like "first come first serve" things where I may email to tell you "hey we ran out, hold tight while we make more".
I am also entertaining the idea of selling the ROM through Aetherbyte (hand delivered by me).
I am sure I will make exactly one sale of that before it is thrust onto the internets for everyone, lol.
By "PCFXers" do you mean the proto peeps? Or all the regulars on the site?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: synbiosfan on June 11, 2014, 02:31:24 PM
Ok cool, that's good to know. So what's the standard operating procedure then? You'll let everyone know in these boards that the game is good to go, and we send you our monies and away we go?
Basically. Once the PCEFXers are taken care of, you can order through aetherbyte.com, but it'll be one of those like "first come first serve" things where I may email to tell you "hey we ran out, hold tight while we make more".
I am also entertaining the idea of selling the ROM through Aetherbyte (hand delivered by me).
I am sure I will make exactly one sale of that before it is thrust onto the internets for everyone, lol.
By "PCFXers" do you mean the proto peeps? Or all the irregulars on the site?
Whether I'm one of the chosen :P or have to wait a bit, I'm closer to playing Atlantean.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on June 11, 2014, 02:56:59 PM
Ok cool, that's good to know. So what's the standard operating procedure then? You'll let everyone know in these boards that the game is good to go, and we send you our monies and away we go?
Basically. Once the PCEFXers are taken care of, you can order through aetherbyte.com, but it'll be one of those like "first come first serve" things where I may email to tell you "hey we ran out, hold tight while we make more".
I am also entertaining the idea of selling the ROM through Aetherbyte (hand delivered by me).
I am sure I will make exactly one sale of that before it is thrust onto the internets for everyone, lol.
I thought you were going to maybe offer the ROM to people who buy the physical card? Or am I remembering wrong?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: roflmao on June 11, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
Excellent news, Ark! I'm super psyched. :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 11, 2014, 04:00:16 PM
RoyVegas did some stuff, but he seems like a good guy, I'd honestly trust him.
Hahaha.
what the f*ck.
Sorry for derailing the thread, mister Arkhan. Also, I know your feelings towards that guy beacause of what he did, so yeah... Sorry for bringing him up.... It's just that I feel maybe he's had enough time to think about what he'd done. A while back someone had pointed out his ebay id.I checked it out and from what I remember seeing, his prices weren't retarded, So I figured he'd be okay to deal with if I had no other option, as long as he didn't pull any dumb shit again.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 11, 2014, 04:09:33 PM
I'll offer the ROM to card buyers, and it will have your personal information jammed in the rom so if you go sending it around, everyone will know.
Also, HailingTheThings, the thing about Roy is, he's trying to cover up the stupid shit he pulled. Not because he genuinely wants to make things right, but because he doesn't want it to affect his future dipshittery.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 11, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
Also, HailingTheThings, the thing about Roy is, he's trying to cover up the stupid shit he pulled. Not because he genuinely wants to make things right, but because he doesn't want it to affect his future dipshittery.
I'll keep that in mind. Thank you. :3
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on June 11, 2014, 07:25:41 PM
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on June 12, 2014, 11:18:15 AM
^^ Ha!
Ark, I never really got an answer on who you meant by "PCFXers". People who received the prototypes, or them plus forum regulars? I haven't had a chance to keep myself educated. :(
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 12, 2014, 07:26:21 PM
protoboard people first, rest of forum second.
This excludes people who register just to get first grabs at a card, lol.
Basically though, everyone here at this forum is who will be taken care of first, since I hate you all the least.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheClash603 on June 12, 2014, 07:28:42 PM
This excludes people who register just to get first grabs at a card, lol.
Basically though, everyone here at this forum is who will be taken care of first, since I hate you all the least.
I read that while drinking my morning coffee, and I also spat it on the screen lol. That was classic lol.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 13, 2014, 05:20:54 AM
I want to maybe bring like, 15-20 to the show, which means less for the board initially, but it would be good to not show up empty handed to the show...
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Necromancer on June 13, 2014, 05:51:05 AM
So showfags first, protoboard people first second, and rest of forum second third.
At least I'm gonna get some sloppy seconds. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: esteban on June 13, 2014, 09:46:47 AM
STATUS: F@ck the folks at the show. They can suck my left one.
I'm not kidding. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.html)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheClash603 on June 13, 2014, 10:56:47 AM
I almost go to this show every year. If the game is actually available I will probably have my final motivation to drive to Cleveland. Plus I can listen to my Bone Thugs CD on repeat.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on June 13, 2014, 12:06:11 PM
Catch 22. If you don't go, you won't know if it's available or not.
But come on up anyway. We will have a near complete demo, if nothing else. And you can critique how the card looks :)
(And go for Japaneese food after the show with us. It's a tradition :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Medic_wheat on June 13, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
So showfags first, protoboard people first second, and rest of forum second third.
At least I'm gonna get some sloppy seconds. :mrgreen:
no no, it's more like "Protocard people/forum first" with like 35 of the available boards from batch #1, and then I take 10 to the show, I sell 2 or 3 because everyone there's kind of like UHH TURBO IS RARE I DONT HAVE.
and then we go from there!
I mean, with the 76 people who plan to buy one, basically half of you are going to get dicked out of batch #1 anyways, lol.
and believe me, the show won't be the release day. You guys will be rubbing your peepees and sending me paypal funds before the show for your cards!
awwww yeah.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 14, 2014, 11:42:15 AM
I mean, with the 76 people who plan to buy one, basically half of you are going to get dicked out of batch #1 anyways, lol.
Would we be able to "pre-order" and get the rom with personal crap on it?
I ask this since I know I'll miss out on the first batch being so new.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 14, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
First wave, second wave, or 59th wave, so long as I'm able to score a copy it's all good. :) Seriously I'm just happy the system is still receiving new content. I think that's just fantastic.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on June 14, 2014, 05:58:45 PM
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and it's Chinese food.
They have sushi, dude. Isn't that Japaneese? Oriental food is oriental food to me. You just go for the crab legs, anyway :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 14, 2014, 09:40:05 PM
I mean, with the 76 people who plan to buy one, basically half of you are going to get dicked out of batch #1 anyways, lol.
Would we be able to "pre-order" and get the rom with personal crap on it?
I ask this since I know I'll miss out on the first batch being so new.
This is a possibility. I kind of shy away from preordering setups to prevent looking like a f*cktard when things don't go as planned and people's money is just hanging out waiting for shit to not be hitting the fan, lol.
What I'd do is sell the ROM with your personal info, and then knock that price off the card when you do go to buy it.
Provided you aren't caught being a dick and uploading the ROM to emuparadise and shit.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: playing-b3yond on June 18, 2014, 08:34:28 AM
When do you think this will be available? Any pre-order options?
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: vestcoat on June 18, 2014, 09:33:26 AM
When do you think this will be available? Any pre-order options?
13:00 GMT TOMORROW.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 22, 2014, 11:00:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXOg-ymw95g
TEASER. BITCHES.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Black Tiger on June 22, 2014, 12:09:54 PM
Wow, that really is a teaser. :P
I'm glad that we've already seen the game in motion. :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Elder on June 22, 2014, 01:52:06 PM
Haha, great teaser and awesome to know we're almost ready to experience the final thing :)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on June 22, 2014, 02:14:38 PM
Simply epic! You guys did a wonderful job with the trailer.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: synbiosfan on June 22, 2014, 02:57:27 PM
Great teaser :P
Very well done :clap:
I'm looking forward to this!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: vestcoat on June 22, 2014, 04:42:24 PM
BITD, game boxes without any pictures were sure signs of terrible games. I can only assume this is the modern equivalent! That, or you pulled off XBOX graphics on the Turbo.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on June 22, 2014, 04:46:57 PM
BITD, game boxes without any pictures were sure signs of terrible games. I can only assume this is the modern equivalent! That, or you pulled off XBOX graphics on the Turbo.
Never doubt the power of those custom Hudson chips.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: FiftyQuid on June 22, 2014, 04:55:34 PM
At first, I thought I was watching the trailer for Gravity 2. I hear they bring back Clooney.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: esteban on June 22, 2014, 10:51:48 PM
20 years. Awesome.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Punch on June 23, 2014, 05:00:36 AM
my body is ready
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: sunteam_paul on June 29, 2014, 06:43:45 AM
I'm glad that we've already seen the game in motion. :)
Heh yeah, I made it like that because 'teasers' are always annoying and never give anything away. I also wanted to push the '20 years' thing a bit because it's a BIG DEAL.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: shubibiman on June 30, 2014, 10:54:36 AM
Haven't read the last 10 or so pages and I don't know if there's a release date or at least a pre-order (yes, I'm too lazy to either read those pages or google it :p )
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Necromancer on June 30, 2014, 10:57:25 AM
Soooo, how do I pre-order? :lol:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 30, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
NO PREORDERS EVER BECAUSE NO.
Those of you who got Protocards get first crack at the stuff. and then the rest of you goons, in a First Come, First Serve kind of fashion.
Some of you will be hosed on batch #1. Yes, this sucks. But, welcome to slow ass 3D printing/hand assembling/etc.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Punch on June 30, 2014, 11:13:59 AM
Must. Have. LE Fridge Magnets.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on June 30, 2014, 11:21:48 AM
Can someone translate this for folks who don't have Facebook? (Me)
thank you (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.html)
If this shows up for ya: (http://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/l/t1.0-9/10511356_697314087010204_166120736375765661_ndb85.html?oh=b047e2709e87f61939d63d7d3f3a333a&oe=5433BCD1)
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 22, 2014, 07:02:20 PM
Sweeeeeet
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: sunteam_paul on July 23, 2014, 09:40:13 AM
Be strong. If you join Facebook then some a$$hole will get you to join Twitter. I've been using Twitter for 2 years and I still don't understand why the f*ck anyone would want to use it. Oh, and if you join Twitter then they'll want you to join Pinterest and the next thing you know you'll have your pants down around your ankles in a bathroom stall waiting for the next stranger to walk in to help you flush your load if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 23, 2014, 03:49:44 PM
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: turboswimbz on July 25, 2014, 01:17:10 PM
Can't wait for this one. :dance:
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheClash603 on July 25, 2014, 04:08:36 PM
I was contemplating driving to Cleveland to pick this bad boy up tomorrow, but 6 copies and my tendency to wake up in the afternoon + 3 hour drive means there is a chance of sadness when I get there.
Good luck at the show and I can't wait until the forum sales open up!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Punch on July 25, 2014, 04:22:26 PM
I am serious. It would be cool to have embossed art on the card, since it's made with, you know, a 3D printer. It's cool either way but it would give me more raging erections if done that way.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on July 25, 2014, 04:32:02 PM
waiting, waiting, waiting for PCEFX orders to open :) Looking forward to shooting fishies n' stuff.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: TheOldMan on July 25, 2014, 05:17:59 PM
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It would be cool to have embossed art on the card....
Sorry, but the printer doesn't have that kind of resolution. We couldn't even get a decent Aetherbyte logo printed on it (Yes, I tried) .
Trying to model the artwork would be extremely time-intensive, as well. Just not worth it - we would rather have people playing the game.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on July 26, 2014, 01:20:52 PM
We sold out of the small batch we took. People were peeing themselves.
The protocard people are being taken care of first and foremost here. Once they are all squared away (I just need the stragglers to reply so I can get things together), we will setup and announce that the game is for sale.
You will all be the first to know this detail.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Opethian on July 26, 2014, 03:26:44 PM
(http://www.reactionface.info/sites/default/files/imagecache/Node_Page/images/saythattomyface.html) This is my reply face
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on July 26, 2014, 03:27:55 PM
Your outfit reminds me of that euro only DC platformer.
My bad joke aside, I think he actually looks a little like Eddie Van Halen in the 80s. Eddie had his hair feathered and Arkhan's is more fro/curly, but the shape and general body type are similar enough.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on July 27, 2014, 06:46:35 AM
nah she was just wearing normal stuff. people thought I dressed like that just for the show.
It was pretty funny.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: wildfruit on July 27, 2014, 08:02:58 AM
I pretty much envy that hair seeing as I'm going bald.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: NightWolve on July 28, 2014, 08:13:26 PM
Hey, uh, Ark, would you be offended if I said that I, uh, wanted to play "Pyramid Plunder-her" or "Plunder her Pyramid" with your girlfriend there ?? ;) Sorry, had to get the joke in. :P
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Necromancer on July 29, 2014, 03:14:47 AM
I wanna get something in and it ain't a joke.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on July 29, 2014, 03:25:02 AM
Dirty old Mathius pulls through. I laughed. Points to you sir!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: galam on July 29, 2014, 04:52:56 PM
I WANT MY ATLANTEAN
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: ctophil on July 31, 2014, 06:59:48 PM
Oh yeah, I definitely want to get Atlantean on a Hucard. I love homebrew games, and I get them whenever they are available. I looked at the sample video of the game. It looks great so far. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: thesteve on July 31, 2014, 08:30:24 PM
I want one
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: esadajr on August 05, 2014, 10:41:50 AM
Oh yeah, I definitely want to get Atlantean on a Hucard.
I'll settle for a digital release
No way I would do that myself! If they uploaded a ROM file anywhere, the whole incentive to buy the game would be destroyed. And now with good working flashcarts like Turbo Everdrive, you wouldn't have to limit yourself to emulators either! When they sell out of every last physical HuCard that they're willing to produce, then maybe it'd be something to consider, but certainly not now in my opinion.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Mathius on August 06, 2014, 03:56:24 PM
Oh yeah, I definitely want to get Atlantean on a Hucard.
I'll settle for a digital release
No way I would do that myself! If they uploaded a ROM file anywhere, the whole incentive to buy the game would be destroyed. And now with good working flashcarts like Turbo Everdrive, you wouldn't have to limit yourself to emulators either! When they sell out of every last physical HuCard that they're willing to produce, then maybe it'd be something to consider, but certainly not now in my opinion.
Agreed
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Dicer on August 06, 2014, 04:35:16 PM
No way I would do that myself! If they uploaded a ROM file anywhere, the whole incentive to buy the game would be destroyed. And now with good working flashcarts like Turbo Everdrive, you wouldn't have to limit yourself to emulators either! When they sell out of every last physical HuCard that they're willing to produce, then maybe it'd be something to consider, but certainly not now in my opinion.
I disagree, it's going to be a collectors item for sure...I plan on digital and the real deal, but to be honest I doubt the actual hu-card will go in my machine except to test it. The digital release will be tagged so if some scum decided to leak it, it'll be traceable.
Many people won't be able to get the psychical copy right away, why deny them the right to play it if there are means and ways to provide it?
But we are getting off topic, Let's go go go This is my B-day present to myself.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: NightWolve on August 06, 2014, 05:03:54 PM
Just let 'em make all their HuCards and sell 'em out, that's it! They can do something that you suggest afterwards. Win-win. I would NOT give up ANY temporary anti-piracy situation that there is here as I don't think any potential buyer owns any of those HuCard reader/dumper devices out there; I've never seen one, have no idea who even dumped the whole NEC library, etc.
Because you claim "many" won't get the physical copy right away, the producers should be denied the opportunity to maximize sales of a physical product that they've likely spent thousands of hours working on ?? ... I say, you show some patience, let 'em sell out of the physical copies instead of pressuring them into some kind of digital release... It's not much of a consolation prize that the image could be tagged and the leaker traced, the damage would still be done. Even if it only costs you 15% in physical sales because of the temptation, that's still significant a loss... I would not risk it.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Dicer on August 06, 2014, 05:20:10 PM
Just let 'em make all their HuCards and sell 'em out, that's it! They can do something that you suggest afterwards. Win-win. I would NOT give up ANY temporary anti-piracy situation that there is here as I don't think any potential buyer owns any of those HuCard reader/dumper devices out there; I've never seen one, have no idea who even dumped the whole NEC library, etc.
Because you claim "many" won't get the physical copy right away, the producers should be denied the opportunity to maximize sales of a physical product that they've likely spent thousands of hours working on ?? ... I say, you show some patience, let 'em sell out of the physical copies instead of pressuring them into some kind of digital release... It's not much of a consolation prize that the image could be tagged and the leaker traced, the damage would still be done. Even if it only costs you 15% in physical sales because of the temptation, that's still significant a loss... I would not risk it.
Who's pressuring them? They already stated there would be a digital option...I didn't magically come up with it.
Again getting off track...just be excited for it.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: NightWolve on August 06, 2014, 05:35:05 PM
Your argument, "Many people won't be able to get the psychical copy right away, why deny them the right to play it if there are means and ways to provide it?" is pressuring, cheering, advocating, etc. for it right now, the sooner the better, etc.
My point was simple enough, let 'em sell out of the physical copies first, and they can do the digital option afterwards if so they choose (they've stated it, as you say). You disagreed with that, though.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Dicer on August 06, 2014, 05:44:30 PM
Your argument, "Many people won't be able to get the psychical copy right away, why deny them the right to play it if there are means and ways to provide it?" is pressuring, cheering, advocating, etc. for it right now, the sooner the better, etc.
My point was simple enough, let 'em sell out of the physical copies first, and they can do the digital option afterwards if so they choose (they've stated it, as you say). You disagreed with that, though.
This is the last thing I'll say on the matter, I don't know why you're all over my shit about it?
No-one is pressuring, they already said there would be a digital release for those that cant get the card right away, not my words...
It's not up to you or me...
Everyone is excited, and they will make plenty of sales...but I know they are taking the time and effort to assemble these things by hand, so I am willing to wait on a real copy...but again that is me, others will be killing each other to get the first completed cards.
Again, done discussing this aspect of the release...
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: NightWolve on August 06, 2014, 05:59:47 PM
This is the last thing I'll say on the matter, I don't know why you're all over my shit about it?
No-one is pressuring, they already said there would be a digital release for those that cant get the card right away, not my words...
It's not up to you or me...
I thought I defined what is a subtle form of pressuring/advocating/etc. which apparently you don't agree with. Whatever. And I got "all up in your shit" (your characterization for a debate apparently) cause I stated my opinion on the order of things, simple enough, and would've left it at, until you decided you knew better, that they should do a digital release right now or the sooner the better, etc. You quoted me, bolded items for emphasis, and wanted to argue the merits of the issue. Your problem is I argued back ?? Seems to be. Yeah, what they do is up to them, duh, but don't mean opinions/advice can't be offered up...
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: Arkhan on August 06, 2014, 06:16:20 PM
The game will get dumped as soon as an unfamiliar non-forumite ends up with a copy on batch like, 3 or something.
Pier Solar got dumped. Atlantean will get dumped.
The ROM being available isn't going to impact the sales of these things. People still go apeshit over buying real cards instead of torrenting the entire NEC library. almost 100 PCEFX members want it. Non PCEFX members also want it.
and, if someone would rather download it because some dick posted the ROM.... fine by me.
We didn't make the cards for people who aren't interested in owning a real one.
I don't think it'd be fair if PCEFX members especially, are unable to play the game for awhile because they haven't gotten their copy yet.
This removes that issue
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: nodtveidt on August 06, 2014, 08:14:18 PM
I want it. The real thing. I just can't afford it yet. But I will own it someday. In the meantime, the ROM will be just fine for me, and I have no problem shelling out the small cost for it. I have no interest in a pirated ROM.
Title: Re: Do you plan on buying Atlantean on a card?
Post by: vestcoat on August 08, 2014, 04:56:49 AM