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NEC PC-Engine/SuperGrafx => PC Engine/SuperGrafx Discussion => Topic started by: Medic_wheat on June 14, 2014, 07:44:42 AM
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I know there is a thread compairing mostly Genesis and the few SNES games that saw ports to games on the TG-16/Duo and PC-Engine.
But lts comapir which games was the better port of the game itself. Be it an arcade port or as an original gamr.
Maybe it's the only port thats affordable. Or maybe you have memories playing it over the other verson. Levels where added or graphics improved.
You tell the tale.
I have thoight of this largly in part because of Truxton/Tetsujin.
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Affordability should not be part of any comparison. They didn't port over any price tags.
Tatsujin: PCE has better and more arcade faithful visuals and music than the MD version. The music could/should be much better in both ports. The side bar squish in the MD version doesn't provide the arcade play space, it's just another different experience.
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TG-16 Cadash.
' Nuff said.
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clearly better on PCE:
After Burner II
Outrun
Wonderboy II Monster Lair
chiki chiki boys
forgotten worlds
lords of thunder
daimakaimura
street figher II'
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I wish more of these comparisons would also do the 16 bit computers and 8 bit games. SNES/Genesis/PCE is everywhere, but everyone ignores the CPC and Amiga.
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I wish more of these comparisons would also do the 16 bit computers and 8 bit games. SNES/Genesis/PCE is everywhere, but everyone ignores the CPC and Amiga.
Because they're not consoles and they were either not released at all in North America, or if they were few people experienced them, most of those games didn't come out over here and they're pretty much all not real ports and were just made by one or two guys based on camcorder footage of an arcade down the street and they don't even try to recreate the music.
Combine that with the fact that most of those old European computer games aren't on a "comparable" level tech-wise and it makes it pointless for most people, because every aspect is contrasting, while 16-bit console games and the occasional 8 or 32-bit version have comparable aspects.
But if you happen to have enough interest in comparing them, you're free to do so.
Retro Gamer magazine was a professional publication and it usually left out random console versions in it's wide ranging comparisons. When it did mention console games, their impressions were often misleading.
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clearly better on PCE:
After Burner II
Outrun
Wonderboy II Monster Lair
chiki chiki boys
forgotten worlds
lords of thunder
daimakaimura
street figher II'
So far for me I have only played chili chili boys and monster lair on the genesis. Well as for street fighter who HASN'T played that game in at lest one form or another.
So my ability to compair thee games to the PCE port is lacking...at best I have been able to look at footage and pictures but that doesn't really let you see how it feels to play it.
I found that the genesis had Wonderfull ports. Great sprit work loads of color and just enough of an arcad like feel that made these feel like stand out Genesis games.
Now while I do have the super cd port of monster lair Ipmy turbo cd and duo are a but on the fritz lately so I have yet to give it the old college try.
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
Please tell me you have X68 CYBERCORE. I have to play that game one of these decades.
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
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Shhhhh!! Japjac might hear you!
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Because they're not consoles and they were either not released at all in North America, or if they were few people experienced them, most of those games didn't come out over here and they're pretty much all not real ports and were just made by one or two guys based on camcorder footage of an arcade down the street and they don't even try to recreate the music.
That doesn't really matter much in this day and age when a PCE game might be just as hard to track down as an Amiga game.
But if you happen to have enough interest in comparing them, you're free to do so.
I started, but since I'm not as familiar with Amiga and CPC titles as my Eurobrethren, seems like I might not be the best candidate.
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I found that the genesis had Wonderfull ports. Great sprit work loads of color and just enough of an arcad like feel that made these feel like stand out Genesis games.
Now while I do have the super cd port of monster lair Ipmy turbo cd and duo are a but on the fritz lately so I have yet to give it the old college try.
there you will be suprised how much better it does look on the PCE once you have played both.
monster lair looks like a cheap euro home computer port compared to the PCE version, which is, beside lacking the parallax scrolling, almost faithful to the arcade (in every term). and even surpases that one with much crispier red book BGMs.
chiki has tons of more details and rarely uses cheap clipped tiles or BGs due to data limitation. also the sprites are mostly bigger and straightly take over from the arcade version, whilst on the MD everything is redrawn.
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Because they're not consoles and they were either not released at all in North America, or if they were few people experienced them, most of those games didn't come out over here and they're pretty much all not real ports and were just made by one or two guys based on camcorder footage of an arcade down the street and they don't even try to recreate the music.
That doesn't really matter much in this day and age when a PCE game might be just as hard to track down as an Amiga game.
That still doesn't spontaneously create interest in non-console platforms that people are not familiar with.
It also doesn't change the fact that they are often more new versions and not "ports". As different as they are for content though, a proper "comparison" involving most of those computers would be all contrasting points such as:
CPC version features far worse graphics, including few colors and shades, low and often missing detail of completely redrawn artwork, choppy scrolling, sluggish movement of all of the much smaller sprites all inside of a windowed play area. A couple bgm tracks are recognizable, but there is no in-game music and sound effects are sparse. Intros, endings and between stage cinematics are missing.
SNES version has an extra layer of parallax on the fourth stage, music isn't as good as Genesis and PCE CD versions.
Genesis version has less variety of color, the best music and an extra stage.
PCE CD version looks the same as the SNES and Genesis versions, except that much of the parallax is missing, the CD soundtrack is the highest sound quality and it has all new cnemas throughout the game.
PC ENGINE <---------------------------------------------------------> SNES
(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/ospce.png)(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/ossfc.png)
GENESIS <---------------------------------------------------------> CPC
(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/osmd.png)(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/oscpc.png)
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Which game is that?
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Ah OSMAN, what a great PCE game it is, and cleary the best port of all ^^
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CPC version features far worse graphics, including few colors and shades, low and often missing detail of completely redrawn artwork, choppy scrolling, sluggish movement of all of the much smaller sprites all inside of a windowed play area. A couple bgm tracks are recognizable, but there is no in-game music and sound effects are sparse. Intros, endings and between stage cinematics are missing.
SNES version has an extra layer of parallax on the fourth stage, music isn't as good as Genesis and PCE CD versions.
Genesis version has less variety of color, the best music and an extra stage.
PCE CD version looks the same as the SNES and Genesis versions, except that much of the parallax is missing, the CD soundtrack is the highest sound quality and it has all new cnemas throughout the game.
PC ENGINE <---------------------------------------------------------> SNES
(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/ospce.png)(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/ossfc.png)
GENESIS <---------------------------------------------------------> CPC
(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/osmd.png)(http://superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/oscpc.png)
What an excellent start. Thanks for that one!
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I still think the arcade version of Osman is the best :lol:
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I still think the arcade version of Osman is the best :lol:
Okay I seriously can't find anything about this games ports apart from it being an arcade game that saw no success due to lack of marketing.
Can anyone point me in the direction of the SNES Genesis and PC-Engine ports?
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I still think the arcade version of Osman is the best :lol:
Okay I seriously can't find anything about this games ports apart from it being an arcade game that saw no success due to lack of marketing.
Can anyone point me in the direction of the SNES Genesis and PC-Engine ports?
More proof that everyone ignores the CPC. [-X
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I still think the arcade version of Osman is the best :lol:
Okay I seriously can't find anything about this games ports apart from it being an arcade game that saw no success due to lack of marketing.
Can anyone point me in the direction of the SNES Genesis and PC-Engine ports?
More proof that everyone ignores the CPC. [-X
CPC?
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Amstrad?
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Vectrex version was best.
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The Vectrex one was good but I can still only really play the Arcade version...not sure why?
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I think Tatsujin is also better than Tatsujin.
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
The Changer doesn't count. It's just the arcade board modified with a more home user friendly test mode and a crappy S-Video only commercial supergun.
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TRUXTON > Tatsujin (arcade)
Discuss...
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
The Changer doesn't count. It's just the arcade board modified with a more home user friendly test mode and a crappy S-Video only commercial supergun.
Similar to the AES.
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
The Changer doesn't count. It's just the arcade board modified with a more home user friendly test mode and a crappy S-Video only commercial supergun.
Similar to the AES.
Ahhh
Still can't find diddly on either potential home ports to play this game. Or even Jamma boards. Sigh. Guess emulation it is
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Did any of you also have the Tiger Electronics LCD Handheld of Osman? Oh, the memories!
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Did any of you also have the Tiger Electronics LCD Handheld of Osman? Oh, the memories!
Lol okay now I KNOW that has to be a joke lol
But the vetrex port is clearly the best lol
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CPC? Pfft, the Game.com version was where it was at. Osman is tied with Fighters Megamix as the top game on the system.
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CPC? Pfft, the Game.com version was where it was at. Osman is tied with Fighters Megamix as the top game on the system.
Personally, I felt the email client was the most entertaining game on game.com.
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TRUXTON > Tatsujin (arcade)
Discuss...
no discussion here. you're undoubtly wrong ^^
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
The Changer doesn't count. It's just the arcade board modified with a more home user friendly test mode and a crappy S-Video only commercial supergun.
Similar to the AES.
actually not. the AES is a real hardware and plays rom carts. both MVS and AES are basically the same tho.
the CPS changer is just an adaptor to play (slightly modified) CPS-boards on a general TV-set instead in an arcade cab.
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
The Changer doesn't count. It's just the arcade board modified with a more home user friendly test mode and a crappy S-Video only commercial supergun.
Similar to the AES.
actually not. the AES is a real hardware and plays rom carts. both MVS and AES are basically the same tho.
the CPS changer is just an adaptor to play (slightly modified) CPS-boards on a general TV-set instead in an arcade cab.
CPS Changer roms are custom and unique versions for home use. AES and MVS are the same rom, even though there are home/arcade options (which really just function as dip switches). Neither has any original titles, but the CPS Changer has an original home port of Street Fighter Zero, which was made on different hardware. The AES doesn't have anything original at all, ports or otherwise.
It doesn't matter what kind of hardware was or wasn't inside either console's carts (look at Nintendo carts). Either way, they each have consistent hardware and a console as a delivery method. It's not like MVS arcade games aren't real arcades because the carts are separate from the hardware. The CPS Changer console was cheaper than AES and the average CPS Changer game retailed for as much as the cheapest AES games.
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TRUXTON > Tatsujin (arcade)
Discuss...
no discussion here. you're undoubtly wrong ^^
Pffftt! What would YOU know about Tatsujin... [-(
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Did any of you also have the Tiger Electronics LCD Handheld of Osman? Oh, the memories!
Lol okay now I KNOW that has to be a joke lol
But the vetrex port is clearly the best lol
You got me! If you look through my posts here, I started a similar thread a while back regarding arcade ports, wondering which had extra features and all that. You might wanna check that out, too.
Edit: Here it is: http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=16444.msg337374#msg337374
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Accidental repost, feel free to delete.
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
The Changer doesn't count. It's just the arcade board modified with a more home user friendly test mode and a crappy S-Video only commercial supergun.
Similar to the AES.
Ahhh
Still can't find diddly on either potential home ports to play this game. Or even Jamma boards. Sigh. Guess emulation it is
There is no good port of Cannon Dancer/Osman. The pcb is the only way to play it, and it's very rare and very popular. The original Japanese version (Cannon Dancer) will run you $800 or so these days.
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x68000 port >>>> *insert game title here*
CPS Changer port >>>> *insert X68000 port here*
The Changer doesn't count. It's just the arcade board modified with a more home user friendly test mode and a crappy S-Video only commercial supergun.
Similar to the AES.
Ahhh
Still can't find diddly on either potential home ports to play this game. Or even Jamma boards. Sigh. Guess emulation it is
There is no good port of Cannon Dancer/Osman. The pcb is the only way to play it, and it's very rare and very popular. The original Japanese version (Cannon Dancer) will run you $800 or so these days.
this one went unsold on eBay for $220
http://www.ebay.com/itm/OSMAN-CANNON-DANCER-MITCHELL-1996-JAMMA-ARCADE-PCB-GOOD-WORKING-/181433122277?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item2a3e41bde5&nma=true&si=12BIt71cawIK%252FpHg2AQm6Jz4F2w%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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That is very cheap for Osman. Seems to have a few repairs done (mask roms changed to eproms) as well.
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That is very cheap for Osman. Seems to have a few repairs done (mask roms changed to eproms) as well.
Also seller is from South Korea....and I never trust anything from there or china due to the number bootleg items these two countries seem to be king pins in making.
And if you look at a majority of his listings for arcade stuff he uses that same misspelled "full out of cap" instead of pull. Many of the listing are stated to be bootlegged while other simply look bootlegged...
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Just got a very honest answer from the seller. I like that. I'd buy off him now.
"Thank you for contacting.
This is not original.
We just full out from working arcade cabinet and cleaning.
We think this was repaired or rebuilt by someone.
Original PCB is so expensive.
Thank you.
- www_worldhobbyist_com"
The only question at lest for those who collect and play arcade boards is there even any point in buying a bootleg board as it is not real hardware? I mean it almost makes playing emulated arcade games no different when you go out and buy a boot leged arcade board no?