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Title: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 25, 2014, 03:10:40 PM
In an unrelated post, I mentioned needing a replacement Tailspin HuCard due to a corrupted text intro.  Here is a good picture:
(http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i430/ifkz/IMAG0357_zpsc00d0d7e.jpg) (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/ifkz/media/IMAG0357_zpsc00d0d7e.jpg.html)

The card does not look physically damaged; I doubt it was used to prop up a chair or anything like that.  I tried this in two of my systems to rule out a worn out connector, and I cleaned the card pins carefully.

Other members quickly chimed in saying they had noticed defects with their games too, one bordering on being unplayable.  I am unaware of any threads covering this before and there was nothing on Google (forgive my bad search-fu if I am incorrect).

Have a bad card?  Post a pic, write a story!  This could be a neat to see....I thought it was just my bad luck!
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 25, 2014, 03:27:10 PM
That is better than someone telling me this has been covered in a thread from 5 years ago  #-o
I would not mind a pic of that, sounds like it would be good for a laugh.  Alternate costume, the Warrior Tutu!
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 25, 2014, 05:10:20 PM
The idea of any games doing anything other than acting cute scares me. Still get "PTSD" from when I bought Bonk 3 Hucard and it almost, but didn't effing work. :(
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: Black Tiger on June 26, 2014, 12:44:45 AM
If you have cleaned it properly and tested it on multiple systems, then it's just a bad card. At least it isn't a particularly hard to find or cherished game.

Did you clean it using something like isopropyl or a rubber eraser?

PC Genjin 2 seems to be the most commonly defective HuCard, but jelloslug also had a bad copy of Tailspin:

http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14463.msg290549#msg290549
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 26, 2014, 02:25:18 AM
Yep, art-type eraser, alcohol for the residue, and after it still happened...an eraser meant to remove pen (a lot harder on the contacts).  I could eat off of these pins now...or use the card to spread cream cheese on a bagel.  Like everyone said, at least it was cheap, and the seller and I worked things out right after I discovered the issue.  Well, a loose replacement card won't be too expensive.

No pictures of other glitched out games to share????
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: Black Tiger on June 26, 2014, 02:42:57 AM
I'm no tech expert, but grinding the contacts with an ink eraser might have done more harm than good.

You'll probably have to put in the effort searching for similar threads if you'd like to see screenshots. I didn't keep my defective card, although I was kind enough to make note of the rarity of the variant when I included the still playable game with a console I sold.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 26, 2014, 02:48:13 AM
I was pretty careful, but yes, it is a lot more abrasive than normal.  I had already worked everything out with the seller, so last ditch effort on my part.  It is not like I wore off the coating on the pins down to the copper or anything like that.  Maybe I should find a table leg that needs some stability with it.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 26, 2014, 02:53:47 AM
Ah, wow, that's great!  My favorite is the Space Harrier glitch; it reminds me of repairing arcade boards, they do roughly the same thing at times.  Consider my appetite for glitches fulfilled.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: reson8er on June 26, 2014, 03:14:26 AM
I'l like to recommend this website's technique for cleaning contacts.

http://retrorgb.com/cleangames.html

I did this on a few Hu Cards that were giving me problems and they all work perfectly now. Again I've used the method personally and it worked very well. Most dramatic case was for SFII, game would not load at all, after cleaning it, it works perfectly. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 26, 2014, 03:23:39 AM
I will never, ever use Brasso on any of my games.  An art-type pink eraser is as far as I will usually go, and it works great.  The ink-pen type, I only reserve for corrosion or worst case like the Tailspin.  I also will not use Windex, which seems to be the new favorite.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: reson8er on June 26, 2014, 03:30:58 AM
I will never, ever use Brasso on any of my games.  An art-type pink eraser is as far as I will usually go, and it works great.  The ink-pen type, I only reserve for corrosion or worst case like the Tailspin.  I also will not use Windex, which seems to be the new favorite.

Fair enough, to each his own. I probably would not have done it either. but going from a non working card to a working card made me a believer.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: xelement5x on June 26, 2014, 05:00:14 AM
I've never used the stuff, but I  heard they changed the formula for brasso in recent years compared to what it was traditionally.  I do have a Wonder Momo that won't work, thankfully it's chip only so I can just stare lustfully at that high kick.

Hehe, you could always try hitting it with a hair dryer :D
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: jelloslug on June 26, 2014, 02:42:59 PM
Here is my bad Tailspin:

(http://jelloslug.com/TG-16/Corrupt 1.JPG)

(http://jelloslug.com/TG-16/Corrupt 2.JPG)

(http://jelloslug.com/TG-16/Corrupt 3.JPG)

(http://jelloslug.com/TG-16/Corrupt 4.JPG)
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 26, 2014, 03:08:34 PM
Wow, that's really messed up! Are there any signs of damage to the card at all?  Mine looks well kept, no worse than most of the other cards I own.

Heck, my copy of Parasol Stars was chewed by a dog at both ends and it still plays perfectly.  Honestly, I need to replace that and raffle it off to folks...hey, it works!  If only a replacement card would not run an arm and a leg at auction.  Hopefully TailSpin will be a lot less expensive.

Are you going to raffle your copy of Tailspin off?  I noticed you tried to make it a 2nd place prize, but it was refused  :cry:
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: imparanoic on June 26, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
If you have cleaned it properly and tested it on multiple systems, then it's just a bad card. At least it isn't a particularly hard to find or cherished game.

Did you clean it using something like isopropyl or a rubber eraser?

PC Genjin 2 seems to be the most commonly defective HuCard, but jelloslug also had a bad copy of Tailspin:

http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=14463.msg290549#msg290549



that's correct, I have had a pc kid/genjin 2 which doesn't work, had to get another one a few years later
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: MrFlutterPie on June 26, 2014, 03:24:06 PM
I have a Dead Moon card that is:

*Puts on Sunglasses*

Dead.

Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 26, 2014, 03:31:55 PM
I feel your pain, Dead Moon was (is?) hard to find.  And fun.  And a shooter.
The intro to Dead Moon is one of the best:  atmospheric, dark, scary.

EDIT:  Did the card never boot, or did it just have bad graphics?  Just curious.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: ifkz on June 26, 2014, 03:54:32 PM
I'll bite....
Wow:
US $1,001.60
[ 7 bids ]
Shipping: $4.00

I would like to know if they ever got it working or bought a dead one for over a grand.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: jelloslug on June 26, 2014, 04:41:52 PM
I'll bite....
Wow:
US $1,001.60
[ 7 bids ]
Shipping: $4.00

I would like to know if they ever got it working or bought a dead one for over a grand.

I asked the seller what it did and he said that he could only get a solid color screen.  That sounds like a dirty card or slot.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: HailingTheThings on June 26, 2014, 06:39:28 PM
on the bright side, you guys can sell your Tailspin and Bonk 3 games for a premium on the eBays... just be sure to list them as "rare error cards".

lol If I still had my broken Bonk 3 HuCard, I'd probably raffle it. I returned it the store I bought it from, though.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: Lost Monkey on June 27, 2014, 12:35:24 AM
I'll bite....
Wow:
US $1,001.60
[ 7 bids ]
Shipping: $4.00

I would like to know if they ever got it working or bought a dead one for over a grand.

Weird situation - that seller has not left anyone a feedback since 2011, yet he has 35 ratings from selling in the past month or two...  He hasn't left feedback on the "dead" MC, nor has the buyer...
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: xelement5x on June 27, 2014, 04:07:08 AM
I'll bite....
Wow:
US $1,001.60
[ 7 bids ]
Shipping: $4.00

I would like to know if they ever got it working or bought a dead one for over a grand.

Weird situation - that seller has not left anyone a feedback since

 2011, yet he has 35 ratings from selling in the past month or two...  He hasn't left feedback on the "dead" MC, nor has the buyer...

A lot of folks are just too lazy to leave feedback.  I'm one of them, I'll do no feedbacks for a couple months if everything is fine, then just leave a bunch of them saying the same thing all at the same time.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: jelloslug on June 27, 2014, 04:21:21 AM
Wow, that's really messed up! Are there any signs of damage to the card at all?  Mine looks well kept, no worse than most of the other cards I own.

Heck, my copy of Parasol Stars was chewed by a dog at both ends and it still plays perfectly.  Honestly, I need to replace that and raffle it off to folks...hey, it works!  If only a replacement card would not run an arm and a leg at auction.  Hopefully TailSpin will be a lot less expensive.

Are you going to raffle your copy of Tailspin off?  I noticed you tried to make it a 2nd place prize, but it was refused  :cry:
No damage to the card at all.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: csgx1 on June 27, 2014, 08:15:09 AM
I've only come across two bad HuCards so far since maybe my HuCard collection is pretty meager.  Both are CD system cards that don't work properly. 

One is a 3.0 Super CD card that someone forcefully pried open.  I think when it was pried open was the cause for one of the chips to break off.   Some SCD games load up glitched and usually freezes.  Surprisingly it still plays all regular CD games fine.

(http://i.imgur.com/33hTwad.jpg)



Second Hu is a Duo Arcade card that loads games but glitches and/or freezes on the few ACD games that I have tried.  The HuCard shows no sign of physical damage.  I posted these glitched pics of Sapphire a few years back...

(http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3676&d=1314643122)

(http://www.sega-16.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=3677&d=1314643143)

Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: TheOldMan on June 27, 2014, 08:48:54 AM
Quote
One is a 3.0 Super CD card that someone forcefully pried open.
Would you please post a high-resolution picture of the chips somewhere. I would like to know what chips they are using. Please :)
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: MrFlutterPie on June 27, 2014, 11:05:01 AM
I feel your pain, Dead Moon was (is?) hard to find.  And fun.  And a shooter.
The intro to Dead Moon is one of the best:  atmospheric, dark, scary.

EDIT:  Did the card never boot, or did it just have bad graphics?  Just curious.

Would not boot at all.

I tired cleaning the contacts with alcohol, an eraser and even tired sticking some paper under it as a wedge.  Nothing worked :(

To this day it has been my only non working HuCard.
Title: Re: Bad TG16 Tailspin HuCards- corrupted graphics? List your issue here!
Post by: jelloslug on June 28, 2014, 10:21:31 AM
Have you tried a holistic healing pyramid with power crystals? Or a prayer circle?

I did a rain dance but all that did was make my toilet leak.