Never understood the need for the shuttle...it's ugly,gimped and ugly.
Come on, for a video game console, its pretty cool design wise. Normally consoles are just a variation on a box. Feature wise sure its lacking, but it was meant as an introductory console.
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Post by: Tatsujin on June 26, 2014, 05:08:06 AM
Never understood the need for the shuttle...it's ugly,gimped and ugly.
. I never understood the need for the coregrafx, coregrafx 2, Shuttle, or Supergrafx. However, I will say the gray shell of the coregrafx was a much better choice than white. Better CD interface design as well.
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Post by: majors on June 26, 2014, 10:05:26 AM
For me, the fact that it can ONLY play HuCards is cool. Having it dedicated to the often dismissed card games, solidifies my passion for them. CD's are overrated...
For me, the fact that it can ONLY play HuCards is cool. Having it dedicated to the often dismissed card games, solidifies my passion for them. CD's are overrated...
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Post by: PunkicCyborg on June 26, 2014, 10:16:35 AM
The shuttle is so freaking awesome. It's so Japanese and come on look at that smoked clear plastic Hu card cockpit cover. SO AWESOME. I love the shuttle pad too, it's my most used pce pad
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Post by: Necromancer on June 26, 2014, 10:31:14 AM
A great console that was plagued with high defect rates in the earlier revisions? In that case yes.
Caps failing 20 years later is not a defect.
but surely with a bit more better quality control on decent caps, they will last a lot longer, note that the pc engine/core grafx don't have this issue, same applies to a sony home cinema amp which failed due to caps after 11 years of usage, a Philips lcd tv after 7 years of usage.
but my Marantz amp and cd player has been going strong since 1997
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Post by: Tatsujin on June 26, 2014, 03:24:46 PM
A great console that was plagued with high defect rates in the earlier revisions? In that case yes.
Caps failing 20 years later is not a defect.
that shit worked way longer than initially expected/it was designed for.
and soon or later EVERY system that uses elcos will suffer from the same problem. in fact there are already known problems caused by dried out elcos for almost every system avilable:
Title: For those interested in the Shuttle:
Post by: toktogul on June 26, 2014, 04:46:56 PM
Speaking of the shuttle, i'm bidding on one right now. The seller is advertizing as junk since he doesnt have the power cable to test it. Any idea what are know problems with the shuttle, and if they can be fixed easily? Also, which power cable does it us? is it the same as the model 1 genesis?
It comes with the cool controller, so even if it doesnt work, not everything is lost ;)
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Post by: Lost Monkey on June 26, 2014, 04:47:54 PM
Never understood the need for the shuttle...it's ugly sexy,gimped and ugly sexy.
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I'm at work so didn't catch all of that video, but dude did not strike me as an authority on the subject. It was still a pretty decent vid for checking out the sweet curves and features of teh shuttle, though.
He's good stuff. I know some old-timers here have issues with him, but he is as obey as any of us imo. He has a ton of good pce-related videos to peruse if you're ever bored, though he can sometimes be long-winded.
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Post by: HailingTheThings on June 26, 2014, 06:06:08 PM
I want to tape a Captain Power action figure to the top of the PCE Shuttle and throw it against the wall. I don't know why.
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Post by: majors on June 27, 2014, 01:23:17 AM
Speaking of the shuttle, i'm bidding on one right now. The seller is advertizing as junk since he doesnt have the power cable to test it. Any idea what are know problems with the shuttle, and if they can be fixed easily? Also, which power cable does it us? is it the same as the model 1 genesis?
It comes with the cool controller, so even if it doesnt work, not everything is lost ;)
Shuttle has a bigger tip I think than a Genny, but same volt/amp. I did the same thing, bought a "junk" Shuttle and sourced a A/V, AC and pad. I went through some hassle on the power because my first wall wort I found, even though had the right ratings listed, must have not had enough amps. The second one I found at Goodwill worked fine after I hacked on different tip.
Shuttle seems pretty simple tech, just like a "RF" and Core PCE's...no lasers to break. And like you said, your bidding on the pad...and that is the gem.
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Post by: toktogul on June 27, 2014, 05:43:04 AM
awesome thanks for the feedbacks. how much did you pay for yours? I just wanna get an idea before dropping the big bucks on somethings that could be very well broken.
as for the wall part, are you talking about american electricity? i didnt follow you. If you have some tips to fix it in case its broken, i'm all ears. thanks again for your reply
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Post by: majors on June 27, 2014, 06:44:59 AM
awesome thanks for the feedbacks. how much did you pay for yours? I just wanna get an idea before dropping the big bucks on somethings that could be very well broken.
as for the wall part, are you talking about american electricity? i didnt follow you. If you have some tips to fix it in case its broken, i'm all ears. thanks again for your reply
I paid $90 shipped b/c it seemed to have issues(I needed to re-soldier the controller port) and no a/v or power. It was totally a needless purchase, something that I just wanted. I ended up getting a Shuttle pad off e-bay for $35~.
The tip meaning the connection from the wall wart to the Shuttle. I think it's the same size as the white and core, but I cannot check ATM. I had to get a power for my IFU, Shuttle and RX all around the same time, so I get confused.
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Post by: KingDrool on June 27, 2014, 06:57:52 AM
I've said this before, but I wish they would've used the Shuttle design for the TG-16. It's just so cool looking. Of course, there's that whole "no CD attachment" thing...
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Post by: rtyper on June 27, 2014, 08:35:41 PM
the shuttle had no reason to exist nec said it was to "appeal to children", children won't want to play CD games so let's gimp it really, possibly the only hardware 'revision' that went larger ??? nec lost the plot at this point in their console stratagy and the rest is history
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Post by: toktogul on June 28, 2014, 07:30:40 PM
I won the shuttle for 50$. Let's pray that it works! otherwise it will be a very expansive cool controller.
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Post by: esteban on June 29, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
the shuttle had no reason to exist nec said it was to "appeal to children", children won't want to play CD games so let's gimp it really, possibly the only hardware 'revision' that went larger ??? nec lost the plot at this point in their console stratagy and the rest is history
I agree that gimping the Shuttle seems counter-productive. That said, the Shuttle did not harm NEC, so who cares? Perhaps it even helped capture folks away from competitors.
I think the Shuttle (the budget PCE) was released to capture consumers who would otherwise have purchased a Famicom/MegaDrive. This strategy (of "budget" models) has been used consistently by all the console-makers over the past decades—strip features/reduce costs and release "budget"/"novelty" versions of the original hardware.
SHUTTLE: introduced at 18,800 yen (~December 1989, if my memory serves me, +/- 1-2 months) CORE GRAFX: selling for 24,800 yen (~December 1989)
The CD-ROM upgrade strategy still worked out for NEC. I have yet to see any evidence that millions of Shuttles (no upgrade path) were sold, which could have drastically hindered the potential the growth of the CD-ROM user-base. Of course,you have to ask yourself: are the folks buying a BUDGET model likely to UPGRADE and purchase an expensive IFU+CD-ROM? Or are most of the Shuttle-owners a self-selected group of "budget" gamers? For example, I am a budget gamer when it comes to my kids—I buy software once it has been reduced.
The SHUTTLE, then, wasn't actually made for kids, but for budget-minded parents.
PARENT: "My son wants to play Blodia and Makyou Densetsu, what's the cheapest way to make that happen?" CLERK: "NEC has a model of the PCE especially for you—the Shuttle!" PARENT: "Thank Buddha! It looks like I'll save 6,000 yen, awesome."
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
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Post by: Necromancer on June 30, 2014, 03:51:17 AM
nec lost the plot at this point in their console stratagy and the rest is history
Are you retarded? The Shuttle was never meant to replace the 'normal' PCE; it debuted along side the Core Grafx, which sold quite well, as did the later Duos.
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Post by: rtyper on June 30, 2014, 10:39:56 PM
of course i'm retarded, nec released a gimped console that nobody asked for. despite most of the best games being released on and nec pushing publishers to release more games on the cd format to push cd hardware sales. releasing the sg with no software support and abandoning it with 5 games. re-releasing the same hardware in multiple variations pc engine pc engine core pc engine core 2 pc engine duo pc engine dou r pc engine duo rx
that's not counting the sg, shuttle, handhelds, laseractive, shuttle, scd they could show sega a thing or two about 'upgrades'.
what was their plan? throw enough shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks? they obviously had no clear stratagy apart from the odd socket and lick of paint.
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Post by: Necromancer on July 01, 2014, 05:25:15 AM
nec released a gimped console that nobody asked for.
There were complaints that the PCE was too expensive, so there certainly was demand for a cheaper system. Those that cared less about price still had the option of buying a CG, so what's the problem?
despite most of the best games being released on and nec pushing publishers to release more games on the cd format to push cd hardware sales.
No doubt they did want devs to support the CD format, but they weren't asking them to abandon HuCARDs. And take a look at what CD games were actually available when the Shuttle launched: there's only one (Ziria) that you'll find on anyone's "best of" list.
releasing the sg with no software support and abandoning it with 5 games.
Yep, that was a definite mistake. But I doubt it hurt the company much, and it's impossible to say they "lost their way" when they never abandoned the original system.
re-releasing the same hardware in multiple variations
There are more hardware revisions for both the SNES and the Genesis, but what difference does it make when none of 'em were produced or marketed concurrently?
what was their plan? throw enough shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks?
It's pretty obvious that the superflous stuff you're bitching about - the Shuttle, GT, LT, LA (which was Pioneer's baby and investment, not NECs), and even more obscure stuff you omitted - was never meant to be the main sales path. They knew the core systems, cd add-ons, and eventually Duos were their bread and butter, but what's wrong with selling something low volume yet high profit to snag a few more sales?
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Post by: esteban on July 01, 2014, 07:43:07 AM
of course i'm retarded, nec released a gimped console that nobody asked for. despite most of the best games being released on and nec pushing publishers to release more games on the cd format to push cd hardware sales. releasing the sg with no software support and abandoning it with 5 games. re-releasing the same hardware in multiple variations pc engine pc engine core pc engine core 2 pc engine duo pc engine dou r pc engine duo rx
that's not counting the sg, shuttle, handhelds, laseractive, shuttle, scd they could show sega a thing or two about 'upgrades'.
what was their plan? throw enough shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks? they obviously had no clear stratagy apart from the odd socket and lick of paint.
You forgot Super CD•ROM2 (hardware).
All of these PCE products worked seamlessly with each other (EXCEPT FOR Shuttle—no upgrade path—and SuperGrafx—ugly, cumbersome dongle for IFU). BUT, we've already acknowledged that Shuttle was gimped and SuperGrafx was a misstep.
Dude, re-read my post. It provides a logical explanation for the Shuttle's existence (a budget PCE model), plus I countered your "NEC LOST ITS WAY" thesis.
Nintendo has a great history releasing different form factors of the same handheld (Gameboy) and I don't have a problem with it. Why should I? Nintendo had not "lost its way" by offering mini, jumbo, normal, novelty, etc. versions of Gameboy (pick a generation).
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Post by: Black Tiger on July 01, 2014, 08:11:33 AM
of course i'm retarded, nec released a gimped console that nobody asked for. despite most of the best games being released on and nec pushing publishers to release more games on the cd format to push cd hardware sales. releasing the sg with no software support and abandoning it with 5 games. re-releasing the same hardware in multiple variations pc engine pc engine core pc engine core 2 pc engine duo pc engine dou r pc engine duo rx
that's not counting the sg, shuttle, handhelds, laseractive, shuttle, scd they could show sega a thing or two about 'upgrades'.
what was their plan? throw enough shit at the wall and hope some of it sticks? they obviously had no clear stratagy apart from the odd socket and lick of paint.
The Genesis/Mega Drive has perhaps as much as double as many hardware and accessory/add-on models as PC Engine/TurboGrafx-16 and no less than 7 different game formats (not counting Mega-LDs).
That's just how things were done in Japan, where people appreciated video games much more than in other regions.
The Shuttle is just like the Top Loader NES, SNES Jr and Genesis 3 (who asked for those gimped consoles?). But instead of waiting until they had milked the market dry before offering a value based console, they provided the option early on. The government didn't ship one to every tax payer and then raise their taxes or anything.
The Famicom/NES had the Famicom Disk system, Famicom Network System, Famicom Data Recorder (freaking cassettes! :shock:), Family BASIC set, Kaoroke Studio, Famicom 3D System, Barcode Battler II, Datach Joint ROM System, Famicom RF Booster, Famicom S.D. System, Family Robot, Family Trainer, Famicom TV-NET, Light Gun, Gun Sight, Multi-Box, Party Room 21 Controller, Power Glove, Turbo File (II), Hands Free Controller, LaserScope, NES Lockout, Miracle Piano, Roll 'n Rocker, Satellite, Super Chair, Teleplay Modem, Turbo Touch 360, U-Force, NES, NES Top Loder, Famicom, AV Famicom, Sharp Twins and the Famicom Titler (a gimped console that nobody asked for).
How many ROB, Basic, Titler, Power Pad, Network, Kaoroke, 3D, Piano, Part Room 21, etc games were released before those formats were abandoned?
What was Nintendo's plan? Throw ten times as much shit as the PC Engine at the wall and hope that some of it sticks? They obviously had no clear stratagy apart from the odd socket and lick of paint.
But here's a better question. What is your plan? Aggressively troll the PC Engine community by relentlessly trashing the console and games that this forum is based on, as well as those who dare to actually play games? You obviously had no clear strategy from the start, apart from scooping up rare collectibles and then flaming those who don't bow down and worship your prestigious collection.