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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG-16/TE/TurboDuo Discussion => Topic started by: deathgyunos on June 09, 2006, 04:54:49 AM
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hey. i'm a budding collector and i'm looking for a few turbografx games to add to my collection. i'm currently winning some auctions for bonk's adventure and the legendary axe, but i wanna own a few more and i don't really know what's good and what's bad. if anyone can help me out i'd really appreciate it.
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A collector huh? Heres a few worth buying :wink:
The Addams Family
China Warrior
Deep Blue
Fighting Street
Hit the Ice
It Came From the Desert
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i already have china warrior. it's second only to splatterhouse. i'll definitely look into the other ones you reccommended.
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I think rolins might be kidding you with those suggestions. :)
Anyway, what genres do you like and are you interested in CD games? Here's some US HuCards I'd recommend:
Aero Blasters - horizontal shooter
Alien Crush or Devil's Crush - pinball
Blazing Lazers - vertical shooter
Bomberman or Bomberman '93 - multiplayer party game
Dragon's Curse - action platformer with RPG elements...great game
Dungeon Explorer - five player Gauntlet-like game
JJ & Jeff - slightly odd platformer, but it plays well enough and good Turbo platformers are rare
Klax - falling tiles puzzler
Military Madness - hex strategy game
Motoroader - five player overhead racing
Neutopia or Neutopia II - Zelda clones
Ninja Spirit - mostly side-scrolling action game
Parasol Stars - part of Bubble Bobble series
R-Type - horizontal shooter
Raiden - vertical shooter
Soldier Blade -vertical shooter
Splatterhouse - you already know about this :)
Super Star Soldier - vertical shooter
As for Bonk games, I liked the first one the best. Revenge is longer, but I didn't like the way Bonk's spin was slowed down. The third game is just bad IMO. I'm also not too fond of Legendary Axe II, although the game has its fans. The first game is awesome though.
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Yeah, I'm only kidding. This forum is stacked with theads for recommended games and what not. Can get very boring just to relist games over and over again. Well, just to add to PC Gaijin's list I say try out..
Time Cruise - Pinball game, second only to Devil's Crush
Tricky Kick - Great puzzle game.
Bloody Wolf - Awesome action shooter.
Last Alert - Similar to Bloody Wolf, but more like Ikari Warriors. Still cool, but terrible voice dubbing.
Dragon Spirit - Vertical shooter, it's tough but great
Dead Moon - A solid horiz.-shooter
Ordyne - Another horiz. shooter.
Forgotten Worlds - Awesome horiz-shooter.
Sidearms - One the best twitch shooter around.
Galaga 90 - should be obvious, great port of Galaga 88 with the ability to transform into a giant ship when you recapture three ships, this ability is not available in the arcade version.
Lords of Thunder - Horiz-shooter.
Gate of Thunder - horiz-shooter.
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Soldier Blade -vertical shooter
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Soldier Blade got a US release?
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okay. i'm mostly into RPGs and stuff but i'll play almost anything as long as it doesn't sound stupid. and kidding or not it came from the desert looks pretty cool. i love the corny stuff.
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Soldier Blade got a US release?
Yes.
okay. i'm mostly into RPGs and stuff but i'll play almost anything as long as it doesn't sound stupid. and kidding or not it came from the desert looks pretty cool. i love the corny stuff.
ICFTD is corny as hell. I'd like it better if the quality of the FMV wasn't so bad. Seriously, I wish Cinemaware had simply done 2D graphics for it like the computer versions. The FMV on a base Turbo CD is an amazing technical achievement, but it looks beyond horrible.
RPGs on HuCards are kind of rare (US releases). The Neutopia games are action RPGs like Zelda, Dungeon Explorer has some light RPG elements, as do Dragon's Curse and Cadash. Double Dungeons is a rather tedious and repetitive maze crawler (supports two players though). Order of the Griffon is the only full-blown RPG on HuCard in the US that I can think of. It's a pretty decent D&D game, but nothing like the typical JRPG.
If you're getting CD games as well, there's a bunch of options. The Ys games of course, along with Cosmic Fantasy 2 (bleh), the Exile games, DE II, Might & Magic, Legend of Heroes, and Dungeon Master. The problem with buying those games now is that some of them are (really) expensive.
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A collector huh? Heres a few worth buying :wink:
The Addams Family
China Warrior
Deep Blue
Fighting Street
Hit the Ice
It Came From the Desert
However if you are like me, you'll love these games :D .
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yeah i know. turbografx is pretty light when concerning RPGs. that's why i also have several other systems. really right now i'm looking to my turbografx for a break from all the RPG action. i've played hundreds, and even made a couple. now i want some good ol' fashioned game goodness, mostly from splatterhouse and china warrior.
and corny as hell you say? perfect! and yeah, i want 'em but i don't expect too much graphically from the first ever cd game systems. or at least the turbo cd holds that honor.
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You also ought to check out the Valis Quadrilogy on Turbo CD. Games 1 and 4 are in japanese only but games 2 and 3 did get a U.S. release (albeit with poor english dubbing). If you get the opportunity, get a modded Turbo CD and start looking in online stores. Some of the best games ever made for the Turbo were only released in Japan. :cry:
Oh, and Deathgyunos, I can't help but notice that I'm not the only one who's seen Legend of the Crystals! :P
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yep! it's my favorite anime. i'm gonna splurge and go for a copy of dungeon explorer. now i guess i need a turbotap and two more controllers. oh well. i know what i'm looking for in july...
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If you want RPGs, you're gonna have to get a CD unit. There are no Hucard RPGs that I know of (Neutopia is not an RPG).
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i'm not looking for any RPGs for this thing. i'm looking for mostly multiplayer games and ones my nephews could play. and i'm like a year away from being able to afford a turbo cd.
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(Neutopia is not an RPG).
It's an ARPG which is still an RPG. After all, Ys is an ARPG.
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(Neutopia is not an RPG).
It's an ARPG which is still an RPG. After all, Ys is an ARPG.
I second that. In fact, most games are technically RPGs anyway, as you assume the role of that character for the game.
OD
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Hell, even the John Madden football games could be considered RPGs since you "role-play" as American football teams ;) .
There are a surprising amount of turn-based RPGs on the PCE HuCard format actually, I'll try to list some ones I know:
Bonzai Gaiden (actually I am sure this isn't what it's called, but it's a very ancient Japanese RPG)
Double Dungeons (first person, also an American release, though this game isn't really adventurous as it is level-based)
Lady Sword (first person)
Momo Tarou Densetsu series (aren't three of them RPGs?)
Necros no Yosai (really cool looking battles)
Order of the Griffin (another American release, but more of a strategy)
Sinbad something
Susana o Densetsu (this game has a interesting battle system)
There are more than this, but these are the ones I can think of the names for. The others I would have to look up, but a few I can describe are another first person, futuristic RPG (starts with an E, maybe?), a very old RPG made in 1988 or 1989 I think and also looks like Susano o Densetsu a bit, a cool futuristc RPG where you fly in space and then land on some planet, and one of those wacky hentai RPGs by Game Express where you fight random nude chicks :D .
Some of these RPGs are really cool actually, I wish they were translated, especially Necros no Yosai.
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Order of the Griffon is an enjoyable game, IMO. I think you'd be happy with it, especially if you liked the early TSR / SSI games that appeared on various computer platforms back in the day. This HuCard does a decent job of capturing the SSI experience on a console. Also, if you are the least bit interested in D&D, then you have to get Order of the Griffon, since it was the only TG-16 game licensed from SSI.
Double Dungeons -- This will never be on anyone's "Best List", but if you are into old-skool dungeon crawling (occasionally making maps), then you might try this. This game would have been a lot better had there been a greater variety of environments and enemies (among other things). The reason I suggest this game is because the TWO PLAYER CO-OP mode is actually a lot of fun (both players have to enjoy the game, of course). Unfortunately, I don't know how likely it is to find two folks who enjoy this game enough to finish it. My brother and I are probably in the minority :) (and that was 16 years ago).
As everyone else said, definitely grab Neutopia 1 & 2 (2 is very pricey, unfortunately), DE I & II (the sequel is CD format).
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There are no RPG elements in Neutopia. It is an action adventure game. Just like Zelda.
The Shin momotaro densetsu games are RPGs. Horrible ones, at that. I believe there are at least eight of them (the later ones are on PS1) but none of them are available in English (gee, wonder why?) :roll:
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There are no RPG elements in Neutopia. It is an action adventure game. Just like Zelda.
Mr. Seldane, sir, I'm anxious to hear what constitutes a RPG in the video game world (not table-top) :)
In my travels I've seen many people try to define it, and the most common theme seems to be " a game where you assume the role of a character and proceed through a narrative". Heck, I'd even say the Wonderboy in Monsterland games have RPG elements, though clearly action/adventure.... or are they?
OD
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Cadash what can i say i enjoy this classic by Taito.
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Steve, I enjoy Double Dungeons quite a bit actually :D .
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Steve, I enjoy Double Dungeons quite a bit actually :D .
That's why I love you Keranu :)
Seriously though, it is a very playable game to this day. We have to convince more people to give it a chance :)
The koolest thing is that the ONLY way to see yourself is to have a second player and manuevre (sp?????) yourselves to look at one another. Unless there is a mirror I'm forgetting about, that's the only way to see what your character looks like!
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One time me and my bro played Double Dungeons for like an hour and had a blast with it, even though we weren't entirely sure where to go :lol: . I do recall being able to see each other's character in that game on 2 player mode (and getting a laugh out of it), but I can't remember the slightest of what the characters looked like! I'll have to try it again to see, that was interesting :) .
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Mr. Seldane, sir, I'm anxious to hear what constitutes a RPG in the video game world (not table-top) :)
In my travels I've seen many people try to define it, and the most common theme seems to be " a game where you assume the role of a character and proceed through a narrative". Heck, I'd even say the Wonderboy in Monsterland games have RPG elements, though clearly action/adventure.... or are they?
OD
Some people say RPGs are games where you play as a character. That is the single worst definition ever as you are playing as a character in practically every game. If this was true, Super Mario Bros. would be an RPG.
An RPG is where you can develop your character. Hence the experience/level and equipment systems. Ys has all this, but is also very action based -- action RPG. You can also choose to equip different things and you can walk around just about anywhere right from the start.
Neutopia doesn't have this. Neutopia is strictly action based and doesn't contain any RPG elements, not even character integration (you walk into a house and NPCs say different [often useless] things). You can't choose what to equip because when you find new items, the old ones disappear. The game is also ultra-linear. You can never go to a place you aren't "supposed" to be at yet.
People seem to exclude the "adventure" genre whenever possible and replaces it with "RPG" instead. An RPG doesn't normally contain "adventure" elements. By adventure elements I mean puzzles/riddles/etc like in Zelda games and yes, Neutopia. Ys does not contain any puzzles whatsoever.
Neutopia contains action and adventure elements. Ys contains action and RPG elements. Are these two games in the same genre? Definitely not.
A real RPG, however -- is The Elder Scrolls. The player is YOU! You make every choice, you can develop your character in every way (swimming makes you better at swimming, etc) and you can do whatever you like and go wherever you want -- unless you're somehow limited to it. Just like in real life.
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Neutopia, Ys, Exile etc are ARPGs which still mean they are RPGs of a sort. 'Standard' RPGs are usually turn-based like Dragon Slayer LOH, Cosmic Fantasy etc. Something like Wonder Boy in Monster Land is an action game, or action adventure if you wish.
These are the way we term games in the PC Engine era and the way they were always pidgeon-holed (yes, Zelda is an ARPG), it just seems you're being awkward for the fun of it.
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These are the way we term games in the PC Engine era and the way they were always pidgeon-holed (yes, Zelda is an ARPG), it just seems you're being awkward for the fun of it.
Of course! This is Seldane: he's a bit of a troublemaker and on several occasions he's done this sort of thing.
The problem is not so much with what he says, the problem is his approach. Sometimes, he's more abrasive than he needs to be with some of his comments (... and his tone is condescending).
That said, I like that Seldane instigates some interesting discussions :)
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Nah, I don't think Seldane is being abrasive at all actually. I'm really playing Devil's Advocate - check how I've categorized the reviews at Turbo2k (Adventure vs. RPG). I was curious to see if anyone had a good argument as to what defines an RPG... I'm still curious :)
The term RPG is ambiguous at best. While I agree with Seldane that Neutopia is not an RPG in the traditional sense, there is a story, you do play the role of a character, and develop your character - whether as a result of making a selection in a menu yourself, or the game automatically doing it for you - doesn't matter. Your character progresses through a "world" and there is a "story". Like I said earlier, pretty much any game could fall into the RPG category (technically speaking).
Seldane - regarding Elder Scrolls... this sounds much more like a Sim than an RPG don't you think? :)
The player is YOU! You make every choice, you can develop your character in every way (swimming makes you better at swimming, etc) and you can do whatever you like and go wherever you want -- unless you're somehow limited to it. Just like in real life.
In fact, how would you categorize this game: exactly like Elder Scrolls, but neither your stats nor equipment change. FPS?
OD
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I generally agree with Seldane on this topic since I never considered Zelda and games like it as action-RPGs, but just as "adventures". I usually add the "action-RPG" tag to games like Zelda -- say Ys -- because it contains elements from the traditional RPGS, like experience points. However, I can admit than games like Zelda and Neutopia do have their own RPG elements and Odonadon made a great point when he said this: "...there is a story, you do play the role of a character, and develop your character..." . As well as the similarities these games carry with stronger action RPGs, like acquiring weapons and items, visiting towns, etc...
Overall, I still consider Zelda and Neutopia as "adventure" games :) .
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If it wasn't clear from my last post, I like Seldane. But I also like to tease him :) .
As for the genres of video games:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_genre
Now, that seems a bit computer-centric, doesn't it? Check out RPG and Adventure... clearly, consoles are not even considered.
Heck, Adventure (2600) and Zelda (NES) are not even in there, because the article is written from a completely different perspective.
Pretty crazy, huh?
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Wikipedia is also loaded with bullshit, so go figure :) .
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Wikipedia is also loaded with bullshit, so go figure :) .
No, Wikipedia is pretty good, overall :) . The genres in that article are clearly from a computer-gaming POV. Not from an arcade or console POVs.
Now, I'm not saying the entry I linked to is the best thing out there, but it's certainly not bad.
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I like to use Wikipedia every now and then for a quick answer, but I generally try avoiding it for more complex stuff. Myself, along with others, have found many errors on their articles, ranging from video games, to politics, to culture. Don't get me wrong though, it's definitely a nice system for a quick answer.
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Wikipedia shouldn't be taken as a reliable source when looking for actual facts, as everybody can edit it and it does contain a LOT of misinformation. Especially when it is about retro gaming (and Falcom, but I'm working on that). :roll:
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Wikipedia shouldn't be taken as a reliable source when looking for actual facts, as everybody can edit it and it does contain a LOT of misinformation. Especially when it is about retro gaming (and Falcom, but I'm working on that). :roll:
I like to use Wikipedia every now and then for a quick answer, but I generally try avoiding it for more complex stuff. Myself, along with others, have found many errors on their articles, ranging from video games, to politics, to culture. Don't get me wrong though, it's definitely a nice system for a quick answer.
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Of course, but this is true of 99.99% of all media out there. The nice thing about Wikipedia is that I can get some reliable info pretty quickly, without digging through tons of spam, spam, spam, spam, ads, ads, ads, uninformed articles, uninformed articles, uninformed articles, spam, spam, spam, spam, clueless articles, ads, ads, ads, etc. etc.
Unfortunately, published books, print media, television, radio, etc. ALL suffer from massive misinformation.
Just look at the U.S. media coverage of ***any*** important social, political, economic issue. It is really, really disheartening to think that anyone actually thinks that they are being "informed". Just look at Ann Coulter (and countless conservatives before her) propogating the myth of "the liberal media", which is 100% baloney, since U.S. media has an exceedingly conservative bias (check out the research at FAIR (http://www.fair.org/index.php) for starters). But folks actually, truly believe that the U.S. media has a liberal bias. It's insane.
I'm not saying Wikipedia is without its flaws, but folks tend to overlook the MASSIVE flaws and shortcomings of all the other sources of information. I include academic journals and scientific research in this as well, though they are, in general, more reliable (their methodology and politics still need to be scrutinized, of course). At least academic journals have a process whereby old research and findings are constantly scrutinized and updated (with new articles by new researchers).
If the NYT, Time Magazine, or a book, contains massive misinformation, there's nothing you can do. Sometimes a newspaper or magazine will print a retraction in a future issue (if enough readers pressure the editor), but these are buried somewhere off the main page and not well-publicized. A book can only be changed if it is revised and re-published.
Clearly, I could keep going, but I'll stop here. :)
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Finally, if you folks *found* errors and misinformation in Wikipedia, I hope that you went ahead and *fixed* them. Or, at least, added to the discussion of the article and noted the discrepancies you found.
You can't do that swiftly with any other medium. That's Wikipedia's strength.
And, of course, I'm assuming that the corrections you suggest to Wikipedia can be corroborated with reliable sources. Reliable sources often conflict with one another on details, so it isn't always clear-cut where the "truth" lies.
The problem with Wikipedia is that many folks have yet to learn what constitutes reliable sources of information and accurate interpretations of said information. Unfortunately, the same can be said for most of the places you go to "get educated". :)
/rant over :)
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There was even a study comparing Wikipedia to Encyclopedia Britanica finding that the two were very similar in terms of being factually correct.
http://news.com.com/Study+Wikipedia+as+accurate+as+Britannica/2100-1038_3-5997332.html?tag=nl
...that averages out to 2.92 mistakes per article for Britannica and 3.86 for Wikipedia.
OD