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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: vexcollects on August 20, 2014, 01:54:45 AM
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I've been watching these prices rise for a while and as I've mentioned in an earlier post, it seems as if every collector I know is really looking for N64 games.
The thing is, most of them don't seem interested in the games, just flipping them.
So, is this sustainable? If I had to guess I would say no. I think eventually interest will wane and the realization of how common these games are will send prices back down.
Complete in box games might be a different story, since the boxes are so flimsy. However, the millions of Zelda Majora's Mask carts that pull in $40 a piece seems like a momentary thing.
What do you think?
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I encourage all resellers to cash out their IRAs and invest it all in N64 carts.
Seems like sound business advice. Investors everywhere bragging, "My portfolio includes Banjo, Glover, and Conker".
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I know resellers as a whole are frowned upon around these parts but N64 stuff is a great way for a collector to beast up on stuff they a really want. Basically, N64 stuff is new enough that you can still buy up truckloads of it for cheap at garage sales or flea markets. I already own the maybe 20 games I actually want for the N64. Since I frequent garage sales and flea markets, I find quite a few N64 items. I buy those items and then resell or trade. The profits/ trades made from reselling this stuff, I then re-invest in stuff I actually want. The stuff I actually want is any NES game I don't own, TG16/PCE stuff I want or CIB Genesis stuff I want.
So there you have it, you caught me, I'm an evil reseller.
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I've been thinking about selling off most of my N64 collection to free up space and to have extra cash to spend on TG and NES stuff. I've wondered if I'll be kicking myself in five years when it's discovered that some random sports game was produced in limited quantities and is now worth $50+.
Probably still going to dump it all as I think I liked the idea of having the games more than actually playing them. Picked up a huge lot of N64 from a guy who owned a rental store. 95% of those games are still in the box I used to carry them out of his store and remain unplayed. So I guess I'm not in the N64 speculating market.
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I know resellers as a whole are frowned upon around these parts but N64 stuff is a great way for a collector to beast up on stuff they a really want. Basically, N64 stuff is new enough that you can still buy up truckloads of it for cheap at garage sales or flea markets. I already own the maybe 20 games I actually want for the N64. Since I frequent garage sales and flea markets, I find quite a few N64 items. I buy those items and then resell or trade. The profits/ trades made from reselling this stuff, I then re-invest in stuff I actually want. The stuff I actually want is any NES game I don't own, TG16/PCE stuff I want or CIB Genesis stuff I want.
So there you have it, you caught me, I'm an evil reseller.
But, from what I gather you are not doing it primarily to make money. You are only fueling the fire of your gaming rage.
Let the masses spend/trade $50 for Smash Bros.
I'll buy a copy of Lords of Thunder that I will keep and thank the guy for the trade or the cash for a copy of Conkers. I'm not planning to retire on game gauging and I try to be reasonable.
I don't see the harm in fuelling your collection and I'm definitely not arguing it in this thread. Just asking the question, can/will these N64 carts retain their current value.
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So there you have it, you caught me, I'm an evil reseller.
Not all reselling is horrible. Are you the kind that buys a game for $5 and sells it on ebay for the going price (in regular auctions), or are you the guy that lists it for a $50 BIN that never sells, misrepresents the rarity/condition/etc., and shill bids auctions up to "prove" their value?
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I think gaming as a collectible market has become so hyped right now that even relatively newer stuff is inflating faster than normal.
With Nintendo stuff specifically, I think people have seen how the the NES/SNES stuff has been going up and want to get in the N64 now before prices are in the nutso range for just loose carts. GameCube games seem like they never really hit a low point either, and even the Wii has games that have gone up in value to stupid point.
I'm thinking that price burnout will set in for most folks and they will keep what they have and get a flash cart or maybe occasionally pick up stuff. I used to buy bundles of games on the cheap regularly, but now prices are so nuts its barely worth it. I don't really want to spend my time reselling either, so I just opt not to buy much stuff domestically or just use a flashcart.
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So there you have it, you caught me, I'm an evil reseller.
Not all reselling is horrible. Are you the kind that buys a game for $5 and sells it on ebay for the going price (in regular auctions), or are you the guy that lists it for a $50 BIN that never sells, misrepresents the rarity/condition/etc., and shill bids auctions up to "prove" their value?
I sell some stuff on eBay but, I sell a lot on craigslist and to other local collectors and through instagram, etc. When I sell on eBay I have auctions with a starting bid of $1.00 - $5.00 depending on the item. I then let whoever wants it the most get it. When I sell locally or through other social media groups, I look the item up on price charting and divide it in half for my asking price. I literally have a PayPal account that is strictly for videogame buying and selling to keep track of it all. I buy most of my stuff with profit I've made from that unless, I really want to splurge on something. With a wife and 3 kids there's no way I would be able to afford the collection I do have if I didn't resell crap I didn't care about.
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Desh - you're a parasite.
But, from what I gather you are not doing it primarily to make money. You are only fueling the fire of your gaming rage.
Same f*cking thing. What do you think 99% of the gougers ruining our hobby spend their money on?
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Knowing my luck if I sold my N64 I would get it back from some schmuck and tell me its cursed.
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ROLF64
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Desh - you're a parasite.
But, from what I gather you are not doing it primarily to make money. You are only fueling the fire of your gaming rage.
Same f*cking thing. What do you think 99% of the gougers ruining our hobby spend their money on?
So when I see stuff at a garage sale my options are:
1.) Buy it, resell it at an extremely fair price (if you do this you are a parasite)
2.) Buy it and keep it (eventually you will be considered a hoarder)
3.) Don't buy it and let another person resell it at a high price
vestcoat, I would venture to guess you've never ever sold any video game item you've ever bought and decided you didn't like? Or you just take the high road and let scumbag resellers keep driving prices higher and higher. When I sell something I sell at half the norm to try and bring prices back to reality. Parasite indeed. I would also venture to guess you've never purchased an item from anyone on eBay, or a game forum or a convention. If you were then you would just be fueling us parasites.
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So you fuel your entire hobby by flipping games while believing you're a champion of the people in the war on gougers? Wow.
I'm not going to attempt to refute all of your leaps of logic, but, believe it or not, not everyone else in the world is a gouger from which you need to save games. Allow me to present a couple more options you forgot about:
4) buy it, play it
5) leave games you don't want on the shelf, inviting the possibly of a non-reseller finding a game they want in the wild and going home happy.
Bottom line, you actively swipe games you don't need or want through standard consumer channels and resell them for profit. You don't specialize in bulk lots or imports and you don't have any special distribution, so your only contribution to the market is being less greedy than some of the other gougers. Pat yourself on the back, Ace: you're a parasite!
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So you fuel your entire hobby by flipping games while believing you're a champion of the people in the war on gougers? Wow.
I'm not going to attempt to refute all of your leaps of logic, but, believe it or not, not everyone else in the world is a gouger from which you need to save games. Allow me to present a couple more options you forgot about:
4) buy it, play it
5) leave games you don't want on the shelf, inviting the possibly of a non-reseller finding a game they want in the wild and going home happy.
Bottom line, you actively swipe games you don't need or want through standard consumer channels and resell them for profit. You don't specialize in bulk lots or imports and you don't have any special distribution, so your only contribution to the market is being less greedy than some of the other gougers. Pat yourself on the back, Ace: you're a parasite!
I never claimed to be a champion of the people nor did I suggest it, I only stated how I resell when I feel like doing it.
I agree with your points on #4 and #5.
"4) buy it, play it" of course, when this happens I don't resell something, I keep it, so how does that enter this debate?
"5) leave games you don't want on the shelf, inviting the possibly of a non-reseller finding a game they want in the wild and going home happy." I do agree that this can happen but, in my local area there are about 6 people I am friends with that are collectors and there are a lot more people that are known gouging resellers. We have "bike guy" who sells everything on craigslist, reseller Joe who who sells at a local flea market, old lady who sells at the same flea market and "screamin' deals" guy who sells at another flea market. There are also quite a few others we see actively buying game stuff at local thrift joints etc.
You did also forget about:
6.) Nobody ends up buying it and owner, not realizing the value, throws everything away and nobody gets to enjoy it.
I do apologize, as it does sound like I infer to spending all of my time at garage sales/ flea markets and buying every single item I see. This is not the case. I have a full time job and a family so I'm lucky if I get to go out "hunting" once a month. If you think I sell a shit ton I invite you to look at my selling history on ebay. My seller name is sedanman14.
By standard consumer channels I assume you mean brick and mortar stores and online stores that sell/resell games. These are all perfectly fine in your book? They themselves go to garage sales and flea markets for inventory and also rely on trade ins. When someone trades something in they are offered 1/4 of it's value and then resold for average to above average market value. How is this not the same thing or worse?
Also, if it weren't for reselling or trading items I would not have funds to buy games that I want. If it weren't for this fact I literally would not be in this hobby. I tell my wife it is a self funding hobby every time she bitches about me bringing more crap home. I lie to her because she would shit if she knew what I spent on some of the items I own.
I wonder if you feel all people in life that resell items are parasites? Car dealers? Grocery Stores? Gas stations? Best Buy? Pharmacy? They all work on this same principle they call capitalism.
Why were you unable to answer any of the questions I asked you? Is it because you have and feel us parasites are a necessary evil? You just want to piss and moan and complain? You feel I am the world's biggest douche and don't deserve a response?
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Mister Deshu, while I don't believe you are one of the evil resellers, I can't help but notice the starting bid on this piece of plastic.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TMNT-Channel-6-News-Van-COMPLETE-Playmates-1992-/301202109817?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item46210b7579&nma=true&si=jsTEbCnzSPjqdBPoUATgIHdBpuw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Mister Deshu, while I don't believe you are one of the evil resellers, I can't help but notice the starting bid on this piece of plastic.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TMNT-Channel-6-News-Van-COMPLETE-Playmates-1992-/301202109817?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item46210b7579&nma=true&si=jsTEbCnzSPjqdBPoUATgIHdBpuw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
That was an item I had a hard time brining myself to sell. That was my original from childhood. The rarity of that toy complete had driven the price up. Also, the toy hunter guy kind of featured it and it seemed to bring those things into the spot light. Recently ended auctions, of that item, when I listed it ranged from $150-$250. I just decided to put a starting bid of half of that to see what would happen. If it didn't sell I would have relisted for less. That thing ended up going to Chile (after the buyer waited 1.5 months to pay). Anyways that plastic van paid for my PCE Duo that has become a thorn in my side.
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I guess we are not on topic anymore. Oh well, maybe it wasn't such a great question to ask anyway. :-k
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I'm hoping that the video game fad passes and game prices plummet someday.
When people stop buying games the resellers will bail out and flood the market with their stock. Then the fly-by-night collectors will get tired of the hobby and start unloading their collections before they lose their value, driving prices lower.
Some games will stay expensive but prices should fall overall eventually.
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I encourage all resellers to cash out their IRAs and invest it all in N64 carts.
Seems like sound business advice. Investors everywhere bragging, "My portfolio includes Banjo, Glover, and Conker".
Pssshhh, no Sculptor's Cut. Who is investing in that shit.
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I guess we are not on topic anymore. Oh well, maybe it wasn't such a great question to ask anyway. :-k
Sorry to the OP it seems I've single handedly derailed this thread. It seems N64 threads are poison around here.
I believe N64 prices are actually going to continue to climb. For 1.) It's Nintendo and that alone seems to make people shit themselves. 2.) The kids that grew up with the system are to the age where they have expendable cash and are looking for a nostalgia trip. 3.) It seems like a lot of collectors, whether new to the scene or not, are looking at the N64 for many reasons. They expect, it will be the next system to continue to go up in price and it is a relatively small set to complete. I also think it is hot for reasons I previously mentioned (still able to find items for cheap).
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I wonder if you feel all people in life that resell items are parasites? Car dealers? Grocery Stores? Gas stations? Best Buy? Pharmacy? They all work on this same principle they call capitalism.
Unlike you, all of these businesses provide a service. Gas stations buy/rent land in a convenient location, build a store front, purchase bulk quantities an individual could never afford, and keep their pumps working.
You, on the other hand, scrounge around consumer venues for kids' toys, buy them before your peers can, and hold on to them until you find a sucker willing to pay a higher price. You do nothing. You have no overhead, take no risk, and provide no service. You hoard anything that's cheap in the wild and ransom it for more money on the internet.
You feel I am the world's biggest douche and don't deserve a response?
Mostly this. Also because your questions weren't really questions. If I had a nickle for every time some idiot with two hundred posts tried to turn the tables and accuse me of the same gouging they practice, I'd have a shitload of nickles. Like I said, not everyone tries to exploit their hobby peers for profit.
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Mister Deshu, while I don't believe you are one of the evil resellers, I can't help but notice the starting bid on this piece of plastic.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TMNT-Channel-6-News-Van-COMPLETE-Playmates-1992-/301202109817?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item46210b7579&nma=true&si=jsTEbCnzSPjqdBPoUATgIHdBpuw%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
That was an item I had a hard time brining myself to sell. That was my original from childhood. The rarity of that toy complete had driven the price up. Also, the toy hunter guy kind of featured it and it seemed to bring those things into the spot light. Recently ended auctions, of that item, when I listed it ranged from $150-$250. I just decided to put a starting bid of half of that to see what would happen. If it didn't sell I would have relisted for less. That thing ended up going to Chile (after the buyer waited 1.5 months to pay). Anyways that plastic van paid for my PCE Duo that has become a thorn in my side.
I understand, perhaps you should have kept it then. Don't even act like that exclusive green jacket April's got on doesn't get you hot. lol
I want to seriously hit that toy hunter guy in face, repeatedly.
I'm hoping that the video game fad passes and game prices plummet someday.
That'd be nice.
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STATUS: Ha! Desh.
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Mostly this. Also because your questions weren't really questions. If I had a nickle for every time some idiot with two hundred posts tried to turn the tables and accuse me of the same gouging they practice, I'd have a shitload of nickles. Like I said, not everyone tries to exploit their hobby peers for profit.
It is a damn good thing that the post count on an online forum is how a person is measured. I will remember to put that on my resume' when I am a baller like you.
Since there is no reasoning with you perhaps you could give me some guidance? I have a great example to give from this weekend. I walked into a Savers Thrift Store and found a GameCube bundle for $9.00. The bundle included:
1.) Silver GameCube and all hookups
2.) Wavebird controller and 2 receivers
3.) Loose GBA startup disc (it was in the Gamecube).
I have been wanting a Wavebird for a long time. And this is finally my chance to own one. What should I do? I can tell you what my plan is:
1.) I will keep the Wavebird
2.) I gave the extra receiver to my friend who had a controller only
3.) I will use the GBA disc as trade bait for something I don't have.
4.) I will list the GameCube on Craigslist for$10.00
I don't see how any of this is wrong but I would surely like you to tell me the right thing to do, so I don't ruin the hobby and continue on with my parasite ways.
Now that I think about it, you are definitely in the minority. Every single person I know (friend and foe) that collects retro games do some buying/trading/selling on many levels. I honestly can't think of a single person I know or have talked to at a gaming convention that has followed your methods of:
1.) Only using money earned from providing an important service (work) that doesn't include the buying and or reselling of stuff.
2.) Have a collection of games that were all only purchased when brand new because otherwise you might have to buy an item from a parasite
3.) If there is an item you no longer play or have purchased and decided you didn't like it you either give it away or throw it away.
I commend your purity from videogame sin and hope that you can please give me the input to become good like you. I really hope to stick around here and gain a large post count so I can fully become a man like you.
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I think being the last home cartridge system has some affect on the collectability (is that a word?...collectableness??) as well. Maybe...
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As far as the price trends go I think that we do see a decline eventually with most games, with the exception of rare games prolly staying high. I do think the 1st party n64 games that are really fun do hold some decent value, but as others have said, many of them are not rare and once either the fad declines or everyone who wants these copies has them the prices will decrease.
I think a good example of this was the Final Fantasy 7 price for playstation 1 about 5-6 years ago. This game was regularly going for >$50 for a greatest hits copy and $100 for the black label for basically no reason. It wasn't rare by any means, it was just highly sought after at the time and everyone wanted a copy. Just a quick scan of the pricing charts to prove my point. In April 2008 it reached an average high of $70, and today it is around $17. I think eventually we see the same with a good amount of the N64 stuff and I welcome it.
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I think the prices are plenty sustainable, unfortunately. I have very little affinity for the N64, outside of a few games. However, the prices on a system like the SNES ($30-40 for Super Metroid and rising, and games of that ilk that sold millions of copies and are extremely common) show me that they are, unfortunately, gonna keep going up as kids that grew up with the system reach an age where they are able to have a stable income and buy stuff that they are "nostalgic" for, whether they stay in the collecting game for the long haul and expand their reach beyond N64, or sell out in 3 months once they get bored with it.
It is the same deal with threads that pop up on forums everywhere saying "When will the *insert console here* prices bust, just like the Atari did?", and I am getting to the point where I think that they won't ever just plummet, but may just stall out and maintain their current pricing. This is currently seen in NES collecting, where most of the rare games, outside of Stadium Events and the NWC, have started to maintain a consistent price, for the most part. Examples include Flintstones hanging around $600-650, Little Samson seemingly capping out around $550-600, Bonk's stalling around $250-300. It seems like that these are now the commonly accepted prices for these high-end items unfortunately.
However, it does make picking around Flea Markets all the more scintillating when you do hit the rarez.
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I think being the last home cartridge system.....
Can the playstation tv (vita tv) be considered a cartridge based console, or is it just a consolized portable even though it's functionally very different (no touch controls)?
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I think being the last home cartridge system.....
Can the playstation tv (vita tv) be considered a cartridge based console, or is it just a consolized portable even though it's functionally very different (no touch controls)?
Good question. I figured someone would call me on that claim. Can you consider a flash media card a cartridge? I guess by that logic, if Nintendo made a home system that could read DS games, DS games would now be considered carts? Who knows....
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I think being the last home cartridge system.....
Can the playstation tv (vita tv) be considered a cartridge based console, or is it just a consolized portable even though it's functionally very different (no touch controls)?
Good question. I figured someone would call me on that claim. Can you consider a flash media card a cartridge? I guess by that logic, if Nintendo made a home system that could read DS games, DS games would now be considered carts? Who knows....
I got a definition of cartridge:
a container holding a spool of photographic film, a quantity of ink, or other item or substance, designed for insertion into a mechanism.
So I would and have considered DS/3DS and Vita games cartridges. You could almost argue PSP games are carts too since they are containers with the actual disc in them, similar to those CD-ROM caddies from back in the day.
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There's no doubt that Vita (and DS) games are cartridges. That wasn't in question.
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I would go with consolized handheld like the Turbo Express is a portable console rather than a handheld in its own right.
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I would go with consolized handheld like the Turbo Express is a portable console rather than a handheld in its own right.
For sure. Agreed.
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The more I think about the more I believe that as time passes and the desire to own these N64 carts is satisfied, boredom sets in, or people just plain move on to something else, the prices will peak and then drop. Especially due to the quantity of these carts floating around out there.
That's when I will go and buy a bundle of 50 games for 50 bucks (two of which will be any good at all :|).
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This seems to be a problem with most retro games nowadays. What was crazy two years ago is the "norm" now.
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I have converted all of my funds to Mint N64 carts.
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I have converted all of my funds to Mint N64 carts.
Brilliant. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
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n64 games are going up forsure but im going to stick to import. boxes look more colorful and vibrant and they are cheaper to obtain in my opinion but I still enjoy collecting u.s. n64 games. im about roughly 40 boxed n64 games which isnt much
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n64 games are going up forsure but im going to stick to import. boxes look more colorful and vibrant and they are cheaper to obtain in my opinion but I still enjoy collecting u.s. n64 games. im about roughly 40 boxed n64 games which isnt much
There's only about 40 N64 games worth owning, so yeah, it's quite a bit.
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n64 games are going up forsure but im going to stick to import. boxes look more colorful and vibrant and they are cheaper to obtain in my opinion but I still enjoy collecting u.s. n64 games. im about roughly 40 boxed n64 games which isnt much
There's only about 40 N64 games worth owning, so yeah, it's quite a bit.
I would say there are a few more. im pretty happy with what I got but I still have a few titles on my wanted list that im missing like killer instinct gold, bomber man 2nd attack, mario party 1, goemons great adventure, sin and punishment and a few others
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n64 games are going up forsure but im going to stick to import. boxes look more colorful and vibrant and they are cheaper to obtain in my opinion but I still enjoy collecting u.s. n64 games. im about roughly 40 boxed n64 games which isnt much
There's only about 40 N64 games worth owning, so yeah, it's quite a bit.
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n64 games are going up forsure but im going to stick to import. boxes look more colorful and vibrant and they are cheaper to obtain in my opinion but I still enjoy collecting u.s. n64 games. im about roughly 40 boxed n64 games which isnt much
There's only about 40 N64 games worth owning, so yeah, it's quite a bit.
(https://warosu.org/data/jp/img/0122/88/1406090447000.gif)
lol haunter for the win!
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Q: Blah blah N64 sustainable?
A: Who cares?
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Q: Blah blah N64 sustainable?
A: Who cares?
it's a trend involving my favorite hobby, which I find interesting. I'm sure some people care. I don't really. Just more of a curiosity.
About 3 times a week I get asked if I have any n64 stuff to trade, when trading games for other consoles. It's actually starting to bug me. I keep saying no while looking at them, puzzled. I really don't understand the appeal (except for a few titles), but I was already in my 20s when the n64 came out, so my passion is more in the 8 and 16bit consoles from my youth....
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the n64 was a big time console for me growing up. i remember getting my first n64 back in 98 when I was 7 years old and I loved the system since. I think the 64 is getting really popular by collectors as well as the snes and nes. I know a few people who are going for full sets, I think the n64 has a lot of great titles.
just sucks that it never had a street fighter game :(...or metroid now that I think about it
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I can understand the nostalgia for 64 stuff; I am far from a fan of the company, but I did enjoy my time with the system during its last stand at retail, and my last stand at going regularly to thrift stores. I found my jungle green system with DK64 in my favorite thrift store during my late-late college years for about $25 almost new in the box. Funcoland (or Gamestop might have bought them by this time) was clearancing out the system so I loaded up on cheap carts. A few months later I lucked into a grocery store formally 'game rental' section turned into a ' rentals for sale' section and I loaded up there, too. At the end, N64 stuff could still randomly be found with the box if you were lucky enough, much better pickings than say SNES collecting.
I had fun with the usual games: Goldeneye, Mario64, Quake II's port, etc. I had some chance finds, like when I repaired a Mario Kart 64 cartridge using donor parts from a 64 basketball game (a flea market find). Another time I walked into a game store that had a going out of business sale on 64 joysticks. Another chance find of Star Soldier 64. A lot of the games were all pretty fun at bargain prices, so I can see wanting it all back again. The Harvest Moon game on the 64 was my first experience with the series, and it turned me into an opportunistic fan; picking up cheap titles as I find them on the PS2, Advance, DS, etc.
Did you know Mario 64 was something of a rip-off of Argonaut Games Croc title? They originally approached Nintendo with an open world game with Yoshi and then Nintendo took the game demo and refined it, adding analog support, etc until Mario 64 was made. Google it, Argonaut's president and Nintendo talk about it, a surprising read.
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I'm skeptical of
Did you know Mario 64 was something of a rip-off of Argonaut Games Croc title? They originally approached Nintendo with an open world game with Yoshi and then Nintendo took the game demo and refined it, adding analog support, etc until Mario 64 was made. Google it, Argonaut's president and Nintendo talk about it, a surprising read.
I've heard this before, but I never heard of Nintendo admitting it openly. Link for that?
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I was skeptical too and googled it.
Apparently, the Croc prototype "influenced" Mario 64, but to say it was a refinement of the Croc demo is inaccurate. Here is the link I found:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-04-born-slippy-the-making-of-star-fox
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I wouldn't say Mario 64 was the first 3D platformer; maybe the first good one, but I know there were basic platformers on computers years earlier. Still, it sounds like Nintendo f*cked those guys over hard, and I'm not at all surprised.
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I'm skeptical of Did you know Mario 64 was something of a rip-off of Argonaut Games Croc title? They originally approached Nintendo with an open world game with Yoshi and then Nintendo took the game demo and refined it, adding analog support, etc until Mario 64 was made. Google it, Argonaut's president and Nintendo talk about it, a surprising read.
I've heard this before, but I never heard of Nintendo admitting it openly. Link for that?
That Eurogamer article comes as close as they'll ever get to an admission, IMHO:
"Miyamoto-san came up to me at a show afterwards and apologised for not doing the Yoshi game with us and thanked us for the idea to do a 3D platform game. He also said that we would make enough royalties from our existing deal to make up for it.?"
I'm surprised, but then, I am not surprised. If you finish reading the Eurogamer article it goes on to say they gutted a lot of Argonaut by stealing their top programmers too.
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I'm skeptical of Did you know Mario 64 was something of a rip-off of Argonaut Games Croc title? They originally approached Nintendo with an open world game with Yoshi and then Nintendo took the game demo and refined it, adding analog support, etc until Mario 64 was made. Google it, Argonaut's president and Nintendo talk about it, a surprising read.
I've heard this before, but I never heard of Nintendo admitting it openly. Link for that?
That Eurogamer article comes as close as they'll ever get to an admission, IMHO:
"Miyamoto-san came up to me at a show afterwards and apologised for not doing the Yoshi game with us and thanked us for the idea to do a 3D platform game. He also said that we would make enough royalties from our existing deal to make up for it.?"
I'm surprised, but then, I am not surprised. If you finish reading the Eurogamer article it goes on to say they gutted a lot of Argonaut by stealing their top programmers too.
It sounds like it was the talent (not the IP) that Nintendo was actually interested in. This is not surprising.
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An admission of what, though? Theft?
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I've heard this before, but I never heard of Nintendo admitting it openly. Link for that?
That Eurogamer article comes as close as they'll ever get to an admission, IMHO:
"Miyamoto-san came up to me at a show afterwards and apologised for not doing the Yoshi game with us and thanked us for the idea to do a 3D platform game. He also said that we would make enough royalties from our existing deal to make up for it.?"
As I thought, this is Goddard's (maybe? The article is poorly written and doesn't quite delineate who's saying what clearly) unverified accusation. Neither Nintendo nor Miyamoto publicly admitted it.
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I was skeptical too and googled it.
Apparently, the Croc prototype "influenced" Mario 64, but to say it was a refinement of the Croc demo is inaccurate. Here is the link I found:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-07-04-born-slippy-the-making-of-star-fox
wow, would have never known that! I have croc on the Saturn but never played it. Might have to give it a try now.
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Croc is an interesting one... controls are a bit clunky compared to say Mario 64 but the Saturn version controls pretty well ( I think it can even use the 3D pad) I actually bought Croc and Jet Moto as my first PS1 games back in the day when I jumped ship from N64 to PS1...
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...back in the day when I jumped ship from N64 to PS1...
I remember Nintendo fan boys from back in the day just doing that.
It didn't help the "golden age of emulation" happened. I remember how pissed Nintendo was when people was able to play N64 games on their computers.
These days, N64 is not even worth the hard disk space.
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Although I tease N64 fans, I will want another one in a decade or so.
Wait, no I won't.
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Whats interesting... I jumped ship but I ended up missing the N64 and getting another one a few years later. To this day is one of my favorite consoles.
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Whats interesting... I jumped ship but I ended up missing the N64 and getting another one a few years later. To this day is one of my favorite consoles.
I have to explore the library some more. I really don't hate any console. (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgs.png)
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I think a good example of this was the Final Fantasy 7 price for playstation 1 about 5-6 years ago. This game was regularly going for >$50 for a greatest hits copy and $100 for the black label for basically no reason. It wasn't rare by any means, it was just highly sought after at the time and everyone wanted a copy. Just a quick scan of the pricing charts to prove my point. In April 2008 it reached an average high of $70, and today it is around $17. I think eventually we see the same with a good amount of the N64 stuff and I welcome it.
Perfect example of what will happen to the "value" of most video games, excluding the handful, across all platforms, that are genuinely rare or scarce (most video games are not). Black labels of Parasite Eve and Symphony of the Night were going for similarly high prices and can now all be found for around 20 bucks or a little less with some patience and due diligence.
It is the same deal with threads that pop up on forums everywhere saying "When will the *insert console here* prices bust, just like the Atari did?", and I am getting to the point where I think that they won't ever just plummet, but may just stall out and maintain their current pricing. This is currently seen in NES collecting, where most of the rare games, outside of Stadium Events and the NWC, have started to maintain a consistent price, for the most part. Examples include Flintstones hanging around $600-650, Little Samson seemingly capping out around $550-600, Bonk's stalling around $250-300. It seems like that these are now the commonly accepted prices for these high-end items unfortunately.
The stalling, or capping, of prices on video games is when the market has peaked. From there, the prices of games, for whatever system that has currently peaked in "value," will begin to drop. Atari had its peak and moment in the sun about 8-10 years ago (I can't exactly remember when that collecting craze was going apeshit)--when everyone was ranting, raving, and searching for those "holy-grail carts--and now you can get a heavy sixer with 20 games for about $80.
Q: Blah blah N64 sustainable?
A: Who cares?
Touche and well played sir.
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yeah, I started collecting around the time when atari stuff was huge. hopefully within the next few years, these nintendo, turbo, sega and maybe neo geo games go down a bit