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Title: The worst port ever!
Post by: Ayce on November 04, 2014, 10:29:34 AM
Well, at least that I've played so far. I got PCE Golden Axe in the mail today and absolutely hate it. I mean... The game looked bad in videos, but videos just do not compare to actually playing the game. The play mechanics are all messed up and the graphics may be worse than the Master System version. About the only thing this game has going for it is the audio.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Otaking on November 04, 2014, 10:47:48 AM
I saw the thread title "The worst port ever!" and before clicking on the thread the first thing that popped into my mind was Golden Axe.
The worst port ever on any system probably should go to Pit-Fighter on the SNES.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: cjameslv on November 04, 2014, 10:52:57 AM
Damn that's sad! I have Golden Axe on sega cd and it's awesome :wink: Sad to hear our beloved obey didn't get a solid port.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Black Tiger on November 04, 2014, 11:08:06 AM
"Worst" port is very subjective. Even with the disclaimer, Ayce seems to be thinking of "worst game that is a port". The quality of the "porting" of a game should factor in the source material/target platform and additional content/upgrades should be taken into consideration. In this case, we at least got a great soundtrack and cool cinemas. Compare Ninja Warriors PCE to the arcade and there is more of a contrast.
Damn that's sad! I have Golden Axe on sega cd and it's awesome :wink: Sad to hear our beloved obey didn't get a solid port.
But it too had the 2-player gameplay cut. The Genesis version is better as a game.
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Ayce on November 04, 2014, 01:58:31 PM
I love the Genesis/Sega CD versions of this game. It would have been cool if the Sega CD had an update like the PCE... but at least the game was still fun on the Genesis.
I've not played Ninja Warriors on the PCE as of yet, but I do remember really not enjoying the arcade game. It was cool how they used two screens to show the action, but it felt clunky the way these robot ninja's moved around. Maybe that was part of the design to make it feel more mechanized.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 04, 2014, 02:11:22 PM
I remember I downloaded the ISO to play in an emulator and was convinced the ISO image was messed up.
No, the port is just that bad.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 04, 2014, 03:12:17 PM
Damn that's sad! I have Golden Axe on sega cd and it's awesome :wink: Sad to hear our beloved obey didn't get a solid port.
But it too had the 2-player gameplay cut. The Genesis version is better as a game.
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
I wouldn't really say ports per se, but there are plenty of good reasons to own a Sega CD - Lunar 1&2, Popful Mail, Robo Aleste, Dark Wizard, Terminator, Sonic CD...
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: MrBroadway on November 04, 2014, 10:18:49 PM
Damn that's sad! I have Golden Axe on sega cd and it's awesome :wink: Sad to hear our beloved obey didn't get a solid port.
But it too had the 2-player gameplay cut. The Genesis version is better as a game.
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
I wouldn't really say ports per se, but there are plenty of good reasons to own a Sega CD - Lunar 1&2, Popful Mail, Robo Aleste, Dark Wizard, Terminator, Sonic CD...
Sonic CD is way overrated and Lunar is found on the PS1 (or Saturn if you know Japanese). I didn't say no reason at all to own but, but little reason. Just a few games, most of them found not seriously inferior on the Genesis or the PC Engine CD.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Punch on November 04, 2014, 10:33:50 PM
Actually this is the worst port on the PCE
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: esteban on November 04, 2014, 11:37:42 PM
Sonic CD is way overrated and Lunar is found on the PS1 (or Saturn if you know Japanese). I didn't say no reason at all to own but, but little reason. Just a few games, most of them found not seriously inferior on the Genesis or the PC Engine CD.
I love Sonic CD. It was one of the last of the best Sonic games... I think the only fun sonic games were Sonic, Sonic 2, Sonic CD. Just about everything after that was garbage.
Gunboat - 1990 PC Game, introduction and gameplay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cD0MHkceHBY#ws)
I didn't realize that Gunboat was even a game outside if the PCE/TG. I hated Gunboat, but if I ever get the chance to play the original I'll have to give it a shot.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 05, 2014, 02:06:18 AM
I wouldn't really say ports per se, but there are plenty of good reasons to own a Sega CD - Lunar 1&2, Popful Mail, Robo Aleste, Dark Wizard, Terminator, Sonic CD...
Sonic CD is way overrated and Lunar is found on the PS1 (or Saturn if you know Japanese). I didn't say no reason at all to own but, but little reason. Just a few games, most of them found not seriously inferior on the Genesis or the PC Engine CD.
Lunar 1&2 on the PS1/Saturn are essentially totally different (and inferior) games.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: cjameslv on November 05, 2014, 02:17:15 AM
Damn that's sad! I have Golden Axe on sega cd and it's awesome :wink: Sad to hear our beloved obey didn't get a solid port.
But it too had the 2-player gameplay cut. The Genesis version is better as a game.
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
What! Robo Aleste, Silpheed, Vay & Shining Force are amazing. The cd shining force blows away the others versions.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Black Tiger on November 05, 2014, 07:25:05 AM
Damn that's sad! I have Golden Axe on sega cd and it's awesome :wink: Sad to hear our beloved obey didn't get a solid port.
But it too had the 2-player gameplay cut. The Genesis version is better as a game.
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
Many people like these more for various reasons: Shin Negami Tensei, Death Bringer, Alshark, Burai, Popful Mail, Cosmic Fantasy Stories, Silky Lip, Snatcher, Cobra II, Psychic Detectives, After Armageddon, Pro Yakyu, Ninja Warriors, Black Hole Assault, Shermatlocks, RotTKIII, Nobunaga's Ambition, Genghis Khan, Schwartzchild, Prince of Persia.
But there are so many worthwhile games in general worth playing like Keio, Shining Force CD, Dungeon Explorer, Android Assault, Robo Aleste, Silpheed, Lunars, Vay, Dark Wizard, Dune, Urusei Yatsura, 3 x 3 Eyes, Ranma 1/2, Final Fight CD, Shadowrun, Secret of Monkey Island, Eye of the Beholder, Dungeon Master II, Heart if the Alien, Mickey Mania, etc.
I'm not really a fan of these kinds of 3D games, but Soulstar, Battle Corps, Thunderhawk, Batman Returns, Batman & Robin and others are very cool.
I don't like any version of these, but Earthworm Jim and Eternal Champions are basically fully realized versions of the original games in their series.
Lunar SS is a radically different game than SSS. I think that SS is very overrated and SSS is underappreciated, but the original Lubar us still a playable RPG and that is valuable in itself. Eternal Blue may be closer to its remake aesthetically, but that's because of the concentration of artwork in the original.
I know that you are unique in that you don't appreciate unique versions of games enough to play them. There are usually a few peopke like you in forums like this. Although I get that kind of perspective, I don't understand why people who insist that 16-bit ports of arcade games that have since been sold in emulated form are pointless to play... bother with real hardware at all. If there's such a thing as a "best" version and it makes others obsolete, whh not just stick to a PC and roms then?
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Ayce on November 05, 2014, 09:47:23 AM
I thought the Sega CD had quite a few great games on their system. Popful Male was one of my favorites and I can't wait to see what its like on the PCE.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Necromancer on November 05, 2014, 09:59:53 AM
You might be disappointed, as it's very different. The FEKA version is essentially a reboot, whereas the PCE game is more of a port of the original. That's not to say that the PCE game sucks or anything, it's just a very different game.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: MrBroadway on November 05, 2014, 10:07:54 AM
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Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: HailingTheThings on November 05, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
I love Sonic CD. It was one of the last of the best Sonic games... I think the only fun sonic games were Sonic, Sonic 2, Sonic CD. Just about everything after that was garbage.
No. I know that's just your opinion, but seriously, no. Sonic 3 & Knuckles, man, fun times. #butt
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Ayce on November 06, 2014, 12:33:48 AM
Sonic and Knuckles was interesting but like Sonic 3 it was just staring to get boring to me. Both Knuckles and 3 seemed like the same game with exception to the "Lock on technology". I thought that was a really cool idea, and was the only thing I liked about Sonic and Knuckles. As a stand alone game I didn't feel that it was a very fun game... it didn't have the charm that the first two Sonic games had.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: reson8er on November 06, 2014, 02:08:45 AM
From my experience the worst port I ever played was Pacman on the 2600. I remember playing it when it came out and was first confused, then angry. Ms. Pacman was so much better but Pacman was trash compared to the arcade or probably any other version.
Years later I found out why. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_(Atari_2600))Pretty common story of game development from back then but amusing to know nonetheless.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 06, 2014, 04:27:28 AM
From my experience the worst port I ever played was Pacman on the 2600. I remember playing it when it came out and was first confused, then angry. Ms. Pacman was so much better but Pacman was trash compared to the arcade or probably any other version.
Years later I found out why. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_(Atari_2600))Pretty common story of game development from back then but amusing to know nonetheless.
Read the book Racing the Beam (http://www.amazon.com/Racing-Beam-Computer-Platform-Studies/dp/026201257X) - it has a great section on the creation of that game and is an awesome deeply-technical look at the 2600.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: MrBroadway on November 06, 2014, 05:12:39 AM
Sonic and Knuckles was interesting but like Sonic 3 it was just staring to get boring to me. Both Knuckles and 3 seemed like the same game with exception to the "Lock on technology". I thought that was a really cool idea, and was the only thing I liked about Sonic and Knuckles. As a stand alone game I didn't feel that it was a very fun game... it didn't have the charm that the first two Sonic games had.
They should have been the same game, or rather, one large game. Blame Sega for not doing that. That was the whole point of lock-on technology, to complete the picture. I thought that Sonic 3 + Knuckles was the pinnacle of the Sonic series. All downhill from there.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: fragmare on November 06, 2014, 05:22:43 AM
From my experience the worst port I ever played was Pacman on the 2600. I remember playing it when it came out and was first confused, then angry. Ms. Pacman was so much better but Pacman was trash compared to the arcade or probably any other version.
Years later I found out why. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-Man_(Atari_2600))Pretty common story of game development from back then but amusing to know nonetheless.
Read the book Racing the Beam (http://www.amazon.com/Racing-Beam-Computer-Platform-Studies/dp/026201257X) - it has a great section on the creation of that game and is an awesome deeply-technical look at the 2600.
Very cool, thanks for the suggestion!
Title: The worst port ever!
Post by: esteban on November 06, 2014, 07:42:20 AM
Damn that's sad! I have Golden Axe on sega cd and it's awesome :wink: Sad to hear our beloved obey didn't get a solid port.
But it too had the 2-player gameplay cut. The Genesis version is better as a game.
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
I know that you are unique in that you don't appreciate unique versions of games enough to play them. There are usually a few peopke like you in forums like this. Although I get that kind of perspective, I don't understand why people who insist that 16-bit ports of arcade games that have since been sold in emulated form are pointless to play... bother with real hardware at all. If there's such a thing as a "best" version and it makes others obsolete, whh not just stick to a PC and roms then?
Someone should make this into a Manifesto.
It is so common for folks to dismiss ports that are not "arcade perfect"....as if the only valid version of a game is the "original".
As if the only version of a game that is capable of providing entertainment is the "purest" one.
I love comparing different versions of the same/similar game(s).
In short, I don't have time nor do I have the inclination to explore inferior games, especially when it comes to RPGs, which are seriously time sinks. Do you, for example, play all the different ports of modern games, too? Skyrim on PS3, 360, and PC?
I read your entire post and indeed that you did a fine job explaining your philosophy towards various ports of the same game.
I won't fault your argument since it is reasonable and ultimately your approach is your prerogative.
I will add this as an aside, however: I am the crazy person that still plays the "inferior" and "lackluster" versions of games.
I really love comparing/contrasting ports—it helps me appreciate the entire universe of video games.
Obviously, if a particular version is fundamentally broken, well...I'm not 100% masochistic (I'm only 60% masochistic).
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: MrBroadway on November 06, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
I read your entire post and indeed that you did a fine job explaining your philosophy towards various ports of the same game.
I won't fault your argument since it is reasonable and ultimately your approach is your prerogative.
I will add this as an aside, however: I am the crazy person that still plays the "inferior" and "lackluster" versions of games.
I really love comparing/contrasting ports—it helps me appreciate the entire universe of video games.
Obviously, if a particular version is fundamentally broken, well...I'm not 100% masochistic (I'm only 60% masochistic).
I don't really think you're crazy. People have different priorities in life, and that's cool. I certainly wouldn't fault anyone for wanting "inferior" ports of all types of games, or every one.
Just not for me, that's all. I don't really think my position is "unique" either.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: toymachine78 on November 06, 2014, 02:13:21 PM
PCE Golden Axe is a turd for sure, but I'll play that any day over gunboat.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 06, 2014, 03:55:13 PM
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It is so common for folks to dismiss ports that are not "arcade perfect"....as if the only valid version of a game is the "original".
As if the only version of a game that is capable of providing entertainment is the "purest" one.
YES!!! I love having different versions of the same game. They are different enough to be unique to me. I have all of the versions of the original Out Run, for example. I have it on SMS, PCE, Genesis and Saturn. Hooray for different versions!
Also, Golden Axe on Sega CD is superior compared to the cartridge version if you don't have any friends over... or just don't have any friends period. It's got cooler sound effects. It also has the arcade music. Really not sure why they lopped off the two player mode. Streets of Rage on the same disc has a two-player mode but it loads the entire game into RAM whereas Golden Axe loads level by level. My guess is that maybe two different teams did the conversion to CD. Anyone have any insight or speculation on this?
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: jeffhlewis on November 07, 2014, 06:52:11 AM
It is so common for folks to dismiss ports that are not "arcade perfect"....as if the only valid version of a game is the "original".
As if the only version of a game that is capable of providing entertainment is the "purest" one.
YES!!! I love having different versions of the same game. They are different enough to be unique to me. I have all of the versions of the original Out Run, for example. I have it on SMS, PCE, Genesis and Saturn. Hooray for different versions!
Also, Golden Axe on Sega CD is superior compared to the cartridge version if you don't have any friends over... or just don't have any friends period. It's got cooler sound effects. It also has the arcade music. Really not sure why they lopped off the two player mode. Streets of Rage on the same disc has a two-player mode but it loads the entire game into RAM whereas Golden Axe loads level by level. My guess is that maybe two different teams did the conversion to CD. Anyone have any insight or speculation on this?
SOR on that disc also has the voices as a much higher sample rate than the cartridge version. That blew me away as a kid firing up that disc for the first time.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 07, 2014, 09:54:32 AM
Also, Golden Axe on Sega CD is superior compared to the cartridge version if you don't have any friends over... or just don't have any friends period. It's got cooler sound effects. It also has the arcade music. Really not sure why they lopped off the two player mode. Streets of Rage on the same disc has a two-player mode but it loads the entire game into RAM whereas Golden Axe loads level by level. My guess is that maybe two different teams did the conversion to CD. Anyone have any insight or speculation on this?
The Columns title screen has nice (I believe by Yuzo Koshiro) redbook audio on the 4 in 1 disc as well. There's quite a few changes to the games on that disc.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 07, 2014, 11:46:33 AM
Yep! New sounds and music in Golden Axe and removal of two-player mode (music is redbook audio). New voices in Streets of Rage (except for the voice sample in the boss song). New title screen music in Columns. New voice samples in Revenge of Shinobi. New drums and I think new voices (I forget) in Super Monaco GP if you have the 5-in-1 version which includes this game.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on November 07, 2014, 01:08:24 PM
Yep! New sounds and music in Golden Axe and removal of two-player mode (music is redbook audio). New voices in Streets of Rage (except for the voice sample in the boss song). New title screen music in Columns. New voice samples in Revenge of Shinobi. New drums and I think new voices (I forget) in Super Monaco GP if you have the 5-in-1 version which includes this game.
I would've loved redbook treatments for the games, especially Streets of Rage, & especially if you had the option for redbook or chip tunes.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: DragonmasterDan on November 07, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
I own a SegaCD for the sole purpose of playing Final Fight CD. If you can live without Final Fight CD, then skip the CD system, IMO.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: pulstar on December 20, 2014, 11:49:37 PM
I knew this would be about Golden Axe...
The Mega CD has a few decent, exclusive titles (Shining Force CD, Snatcher (English), Vay, Dark Wizard, Robo Aleste, Sonic CD), but not a great deal.
I didn't realise the Mega CD version of Golden Axe had a sound upgrade, might have to find a cheap copy of the Arcade classic disc now.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Ayce on December 23, 2014, 01:07:59 AM
I've been thinking lately that there's very little reason to own a Sega CD, especially with a Turbo Duo. Are there any ports that are significantly better on the SCD than the TG/PCECD?
I own a SegaCD for the sole purpose of playing Final Fight CD. If you can live without Final Fight CD, then skip the CD system, IMO.
Oh no... other games that are well worth playing on Sega CD are: Sonic CD, Panic Button, Popful Mail, Snatcher, Keio Flying Squadron, Lunar, Mickey Mania, and then you have some of the turds of the system that are still enjoyable (maybe just nostalgia... not sure) Sewer Shark, Double Switch, Night Trap... there are many more that I like but those are the ones that stand out right now.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Dicer on December 24, 2014, 01:49:33 PM
Flink is a must own SegaCD as well...
What ever happened to someone redoing the sprites and stuff on the PCE version at some point, that project seemed to float away
Title: The worst port ever!
Post by: esteban on December 24, 2014, 02:13:44 PM
My side of things(music) is done, other then just balancing the volume of all the songs with the sound effects. Nod/Rover has been having a lot of trials n' tribulations, so coding is probably the last thing on his mind ATM. BT got quite a bit done, though was working on Lucretia last I heard.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Ayce on December 27, 2014, 03:02:18 PM
That looks so much better. If the play mechanics are fixed this game would be so much better than what I've been playing on the TG16
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: Tatsujin on January 09, 2015, 08:29:33 PM
Wonderboy Monsterlair daimakaimura forgotten worlds chiki chiki boys out run after burner II etc.
are all far inferior ports compared to the MD/Gen.
Title: Re: The worst port ever!
Post by: esteban on January 09, 2015, 11:42:48 PM