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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: ctophil on December 05, 2014, 09:24:06 AM
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This forum is a hardcore gamer place. So, you guys play classic game consoles by default. But my question is this...do you care about console backwards compatibility at all? I sure don't. But my ear is always on the ground listening to people talk about how they hate the current generation of systems (PS4 and Xbox One) don't have backwards compatibility at all. The Wii U, however, can play SOME Wii games. But Gamecube games are not compatible.
Sony launched (although still in its infancy) their game streaming service (Netflix-style with games) call Playstation Now, which allows people to play older PS1, PS2, & PS3 games on their PS4. But Microsoft is pretty quiet about their future plans. They did mention that software emulation is in the works where you can download games from Xbox Live from the previous generation. That is not even something they really care about.
As for myself, I could care less about backwards compatibility. The concept has been around since the Atari days where the Atari 7800 could play 2600 games. I always feel that each console should play their own games. That is why I have 2 TVs (with one spare) for classic consoles and 2 HD TVs for new-gen consoles. There is something else. I have a "strange" tradition of taking care of my consoles where I let the console rest every 2-3 hours of gameplay (and not play it for the rest of the day) and rotate them around so that each console has a rest period (like a few months). So, I believe that if you play say a PS1 on PS2, the PS2 would not have time to rest when you feel like playing another PS2 game next time. Get my point?
It seems "strange" to regular gamers. But you know, my oldest console (The NES) bought back from 1988 still works like new. The up and down mechanism (where you put the game in) still works flawlessly where other people complain that the older NES models wear out quickly and the mechanism has to be replaced all the time. All of my other consoles also work like new.
Anyways, Backwards Compatibility is a marketing thing for casual gamers in my opinion where they like to trade in their "old" consoles for the new ones. Therefore, they can no longer play older games if the desire to do so. Another thing is people complain about running out of room with so many consoles to manage. Really? If there is a will, there is a way. I've seen hardcore gamers' house where they have massive entertainment centers that cover the walls with classic consoles to modern ones. You can play anything you want--just pick up the controller. :-)
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Depending on how it's done, I'm pro backwards compatibility. It's not a deal breaker if it doesn't have it, but why not include the feature when the new system is using a hardware architecture similar to its predecessor (like gc/wii/wii-u)? It's not so great when it's accomplished like it was on the launch PS3s, with extra parts and cost.
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I like it if for no reason than needing to have less things hooked up. The PS3 was great because it could also autoupscale PS2 games and make them look a bit better.
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Backwards compatibility is awesome. I think all systems released should go back one gen if the media format is the same. What Nintendo does for their handhelds is exactly how it should be done. Even with a format change they support going back one gen and the newer format (ds lite). So yes why not, it saves time changing out systems and the time you would of used setting up that system you can instead use to yell to your wife/kids to get you another beer and snacks.
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What Nintendo does for their handhelds is exactly how it should be done.
I have to disagree. The only reason it works for them is because they use cheap hardware that can be included without dramatically increasing costs even though they're doubling up on hardware (each new handheld includes the cpu of the previous generation). I think the way it's done on the gc/wii/wii-u (and presumably the xbone and ps4) makes more sense, where the next gen system is built around a more powerful version of the existing architecture.
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I like it if for no reason than needing to have less things hooked up. The PS3 was great because it could also autoupscale PS2 games and make them look a bit better.
Just a fun fact. Compare playing a PS1 game on an early PS3 and playing it on a Dreamcast using BLEEM. It's amazing how much better it looks on a Dreamcast than on Sony's own hardware.
As far as backwards compatibility goes, I think it's good to have. There are a few XBOX games I would have never played since I owned a PS2 in that gen. Because the 360 is backwards compatible it allowed me to discover some older gen titles I had never played. Same with PS2. I am not going to hook up a PS1 when I have a PS2 that plays both. I have countless hours on my PS2 that was a launch model and have never had a single problem with it.
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What Nintendo does for their handhelds is exactly how it should be done.
I have to disagree. The only reason it works for them is because they use cheap hardware that can be included without dramatically increasing costs even though they're doubling up on hardware (each new handheld includes the cpu of the previous generation). I think the way it's done on the gc/wii/wii-u (and presumably the xbone and ps4) makes more sense, where the next gen system is built around a more powerful version of the existing architecture.
Well they did that with pc's cpu/memory and video cards for awhile but at some point you will hit a wall. Whether it be the pipelines, heat etc. They wouldn't be able to use the same architecture once it's reached it's limits. So a new system would have to be implemented and produced to keep up with the ever evolving graphics. On a side note i don't believe ps4 plays anything but ps4 discs(exception being the lame store to d/l shit).
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Architecture was perhaps the wrong term. I didn't mean an updated version of the cpu or gpu design but rather the instructions they're capable of running (i.e. - today's i7 can run the same x86 code as the original 8086).
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This forum is a hardcore gamer place. So, you guys play classic game consoles by default. But my question is this...do you care about console backwards compatibility at all? I sure don't. But my ear is always on the ground listening to people talk about how they hate the current generation of systems (PS4 and Xbox One) don't have backwards compatibility at all. The Wii U, however, can play SOME Wii games. But Gamecube games are not compatible.
Sony launched (although still in its infancy) their game streaming service (Netflix-style with games) call Playstation Now, which allows people to play older PS1, PS2, & PS3 games on their PS4. But Microsoft is pretty quiet about their future plans. They did mention that software emulation is in the works where you can download games from Xbox Live from the previous generation. That is not even something they really care about.
As for myself, I could care less about backwards compatibility. The concept has been around since the Atari days where the Atari 7800 could play 2600 games. I always feel that each console should play their own games. That is why I have 2 TVs (with one spare) for classic consoles and 2 HD TVs for new-gen consoles. There is something else. I have a "strange" tradition of taking care of my consoles where I let the console rest every 2-3 hours of gameplay (and not play it for the rest of the day) and rotate them around so that each console has a rest period (like a few months). So, I believe that if you play say a PS1 on PS2, the PS2 would not have time to rest when you feel like playing another PS2 game next time. Get my point?
It seems "strange" to regular gamers. But you know, my oldest console (The NES) bought back from 1988 still works like new. The up and down mechanism (where you put the game in) still works flawlessly where other people complain that the older NES models wear out quickly and the mechanism has to be replaced all the time. All of my other consoles also work like new.
Anyways, Backwards Compatibility is a marketing thing for casual gamers in my opinion where they like to trade in their "old" consoles for the new ones. Therefore, they can no longer play older games if the desire to do so. Another thing is people complain about running out of room with so many consoles to manage. Really? If there is a will, there is a way. I've seen hardcore gamers' house where they have massive entertainment centers that cover the walls with classic consoles to modern ones. You can play anything you want--just pick up the controller. :-)
Ctophil.... Like the facewash? Hailing wants to know... That's what he masturbates with after reading Nullity's stories.
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Architecture was perhaps the wrong term. I didn't mean an updated version of the cpu or gpu design but rather the instructions they're capable of running (i.e. - today's i7 can run the same x86 code as the original 8086).
Ahh got ya. Yeah anyway they do it is good with me as long as it has the feature of being able to support older games.
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How freaking sweet would it be if the PC-FX were backwards compatible with the PCE? Imagine if the loading times were twice as fast! And you've got built in S-video, too!
It blows my mind that the PC-FX has the graphics chips and the sound hardware from the PCE, but it's not backwards compatible.
But yeah, when backwards compatibility works 100%, like the PS2 for the PS1, it's great. PS3 for PS1, on the other hand, I can't get behind. Where's the 240p?
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I like backwards compatibility simply because it gives us as gamers more options. Whenever a company that creates consoles does this I think they are really out to accommodate as many people as possible. And we have to consider the alternative. Remember all the shitty features Microsoft had to ditch before launching their newest console because clearly they were trying to bend over as many people as possible?
For or against it or apathetic, It's a good sign a company makes their stuff backwards compatible.
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How freaking sweet would it be if the PC-FX were backwards compatible with the PCE? Imagine if the loading times were twice as fast! And you've got built in S-video, too!
It blows my mind that the PC-FX has the graphics chips and the sound hardware from the PCE, but it's not backwards compatible.
But yeah, when backwards compatibility works 100%, like the PS2 for the PS1, it's great. PS3 for PS1, on the other hand, I can't get behind. Where's the 240p?
Lol, it's funny that when I was first learning about PCE hardware I thought the PC-FX was actually backwards compatible with all the other stuff and I was like, "why would you pay so much for a duo/r/rx when the pc-fx can play all that and more?"
Thankfully I figured out the truth before purchasing a PC-FX and being sorely disappointment.
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I see backwards compatible as convenient for a console but not all ways a necessary thing,that's all.
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This forum is a hardcore gamer place. So, you guys play classic game consoles by default. But my question is this...do you care about console backwards compatibility at all? I sure don't. But my ear is always on the ground listening to people talk about how they hate the current generation of systems (PS4 and Xbox One) don't have backwards compatibility at all. The Wii U, however, can play SOME Wii games. But Gamecube games are not compatible.
Sony launched (although still in its infancy) their game streaming service (Netflix-style with games) call Playstation Now, which allows people to play older PS1, PS2, & PS3 games on their PS4. But Microsoft is pretty quiet about their future plans. They did mention that software emulation is in the works where you can download games from Xbox Live from the previous generation. That is not even something they really care about.
As for myself, I could care less about backwards compatibility. The concept has been around since the Atari days where the Atari 7800 could play 2600 games. I always feel that each console should play their own games. That is why I have 2 TVs (with one spare) for classic consoles and 2 HD TVs for new-gen consoles. There is something else. I have a "strange" tradition of taking care of my consoles where I let the console rest every 2-3 hours of gameplay (and not play it for the rest of the day) and rotate them around so that each console has a rest period (like a few months). So, I believe that if you play say a PS1 on PS2, the PS2 would not have time to rest when you feel like playing another PS2 game next time. Get my point?
It seems "strange" to regular gamers. But you know, my oldest console (The NES) bought back from 1988 still works like new. The up and down mechanism (where you put the game in) still works flawlessly where other people complain that the older NES models wear out quickly and the mechanism has to be replaced all the time. All of my other consoles also work like new.
Anyways, Backwards Compatibility is a marketing thing for casual gamers in my opinion where they like to trade in their "old" consoles for the new ones. Therefore, they can no longer play older games if the desire to do so. Another thing is people complain about running out of room with so many consoles to manage. Really? If there is a will, there is a way. I've seen hardcore gamers' house where they have massive entertainment centers that cover the walls with classic consoles to modern ones. You can play anything you want--just pick up the controller. :-)
Ctophil.... Like the facewash? Hailing wants to know... That's what he masturbates with after reading Nullity's stories.
Drinking?
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I very much liked how my PS2 could play all of my PS1 games and because it could output YPbPr and digital sound via fiber optics, the games looked and sounded better on a CRT with YPbPr inputs along with an audio receiver/amplifier. It's always a good thing if backwards compatibility is there, and I rather have it than not, but I understand if it couldn't be done because the next upgraded version of the console advanced too far to implement it.
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I didn't care either way about PS2's backward compatibility at the time. Now I wish all consoles had it; old systems don't work well on modern TVs and I'm at least a tad worried about about finding a "new" old CRT once my current one eventually dies.
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I'm with Nightwolve about the PS2 backwards compatibility. To me, it rocks. Why? Because I can not only play old games, but also use the majority of old peripherals. I got my PS2 modded for playing US and Japanese NTSC imports, which is helpful since a good chunk of PAL PS2 games are missing 60Hz support and nearly all PAL PS1 games run so slow. Having only one console modded to do the job for all of these games works good for me.
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Backwards compatibility isn't as deal breaker, but I love when a system has it. I'm kind of annoyed that the ps4 I got isn't backwards compatible, as I still need to keep the ps3 hooked up since it is still relevant (and will probably get more play.)
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I wish all consoles supported at least 1 generation of backwards compatibility. I use my Xbox 360 to play Xbox games (though I wish I could play the entire library as I've been itching to play Mechassault again), PS2 to play PS1 games, GBA to play GB/GBC games (same thing goes for Gamecube), and I have one of the power base adapters that db-elec made to play SMS games on the Genesis. It saves so much space that way!
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I just hooked a small PC to my tv, and play em all through that... :)
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While convenient and nice to have, backwards compatibility really doesn't matter to me.
If I buy a new console, I expect to use it mainly to play that generation's series of games.
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The Turbo express is exclusively backward compatible.
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Yeah, despite what I said in my original post, I don't have any problems with backwards compatibility. I simply just don't use the feature, that's all. Similar to the feature of modern consoles being able to play movies, I don't use that feature either. Game consoles were made to play games, and I keep it that way. As with backwards compatibility, my perception is that each console was made to play its own games.
Modern consoles like the PS4 and Xbox One have the ability for people to watch TV, surf the web, post on facebook, watch youtube, wash dishes, and paint the house. Well, minus the last two points. But anyways, I just ignore all those things and play games. I find those additional things seem annoying and make those consoles cost more than they should be when I don't even use those features. They should make cheaper models that only play games. Something like $150 - $200 I would jump right in.
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I like backwards compatibility, when the ps2 launched I played final fantasy 9. I wished the ps4 had it because my backwards compatible ps3 crapped out. That being said, it is important to understand that the Xbox one and ps4 don't have backwards compatibility because of there architecture changes. Now that they are x86 based computer ports will be better/faster and more plentiful and going forward backwards compatibility will be easier to maintain.
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I think that beyond backwards compatibility, I'd like controller and cordage backwards compatibility also. Similar to the way one could use the same console to TV cords with the SNES/GCube/N64 and PS2/PS3. I absolutely hate that the f*cking XBox 360 had 3 separate power cords for the same goddamn console. What a load of horseshit Microsoft is.
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Just a fun fact. Compare playing a PS1 game on an early PS3 and playing it on a Dreamcast using BLEEM. It's amazing how much better it looks on a Dreamcast than on Sony's own hardware.
I havent compared the two to know exactly who you mean, but did you turn off the blurring effect (toggled on by default) in the PS3 options? I can't remember the exact term but it smudges the image a bit to make it less pixellated. I leave it off and PS1 games looks absolutely perfect on my O.G. phat PS3. (I like the pixellation btw). I don't see how the DC could output anything better than the PS3 via HDMI.
As far as backwards compatibility, I have mixed feelings but generally like it. Like Necro said, it's bad when it's shoehorned in like PS2 compatibility was on early PS3s, but I do like playing PS1 games on it because they look so nice, not to mention games load so much faster. I also play Wii games on Wii U but other than those 2 examples, I play a game on the console it was intended for.
One other thing - with the recent release of the Gamecube controller adaptor for Wii U, it confirmed what I had thought: Nintendo could have kept in GC compatibility if they had wanted to. They just didn't want to have to include the 4 controller ports on the Wii U! And of course they want to reboot and remaster GC games like Wind Waker so everyone can rebuy them.
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do you care about console backwards compatibility at all?
I wanted to say no, but truth by told, I'm very happy that my 7800 plays 2600 games, although if it didn't, I'd less enthusiastic about Colecovision's 2600 module. I'd probably have both at that time. I have both a PS2 and a PS1, a Master System and a Genesis (sold my Power Base Converter after I bought a Genesis, actually), a GameCube and a Wii, a Game Boy, a Game Boy Color, a Game Boy Advance, and a Game Boy Advance SP. The 2600 library on the 7800 is the only backwards compatibility I utilize, and I wouldn't be that upset if I had to buy a nice heavy-sixer as well.
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@o.pw - I agree it is pretty handy, but what about all the third-party 2600 carts with unusual shells that won't fit into the 7800?
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@o.pw - I agree it is pretty handy, but what about all the third-party 2600 carts with unusual shells that won't fit into the 7800?
They actually fit the older 7800s just fine. I tried to get a super early module (protip: make sure it has an expansion slot), and so far every oddly-shaped game I plugged in there works just fine.
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There should just be a retron everything and be done with it.
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There should just be a retron everything and be done with it.
The problem with official emulators like Retron 5 is that they have to wait until the patent for these consoles expire before they can legally emulate them. Once the patents for PS1, Saturn, and N64 run out, you are going to see the Retron and other Chinese ripoffs make console emulators for them. Emulators can also have issues with bad video and audio. But in the case of Retron 5, I heard they did a great job. Took them long enough though.
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I was pissed that my Jagwire didn't play Links games. :/
Make it so!
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There should just be a retron everything and be done with it.
It will be called Super Retron Mega 64' TURBO Edition.
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Modern consoles like the PS4 and Xbox One have the ability for people to watch TV, surf the web, post on facebook, watch youtube, wash dishes, and paint the house. Well, minus the last two points. But anyways, I just ignore all those things and play games. I find those additional things seem annoying and make those consoles cost more than they should be when I don't even use those features...
Specially when the previous gen already offered those gimmicks.
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I was pissed that my Jagwire didn't play Links games. :/
Make it so!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrG4JnrN5GA
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I was pissed that my Jagwire didn't play Links games. :/
Make it so!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrG4JnrN5GA
"Shut up wesley"..Thats sooo good