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Title: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 02, 2015, 11:49:09 AM
So someone built a box using the version 2 component board I sell. The box plugs to the back of the turbografx-16/pce. With custom quick disconnect cables, this box can also be used on a genesis, Sega master systems and snes. I plan on building a few of these myself and offering them for sale here. I will have enough parts to build 4 maybe 5. Prices will be $100 before shipping for pce/tg16 only option. Add another $25 for snes/genesis model 1/sms option.
1. Sarumaru 2. Black Tiger 3. Esteban 4. Facebook user 5. Synbiosfan
The box will look like this minus the label. Not sure what my labels will look.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: esteban on March 02, 2015, 11:58:20 AM
I'm torn. I could just get this. Or I could put the money to recapping and modding a CD system.
But....damn.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Arjak on March 02, 2015, 12:58:48 PM
I really love this idea, but I have questions. I own a Duo, which doesn't have that expansion port, so would this include a cable that would allow me to use this?
Also, will this box cause any input delay while playing? I had a bad experience where I tried a SCART-to-HDMI box that caused input delay depending on the system.
And by the way, the Genesis 2 and 32X have a different video connector from the Genesis 1 and Master System. Have you considered that?
If this box will work without any issues on my Duo-RX, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis (with Sega CD and 32X), and SNES, without lag, I would most likely buy one.
Title: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 02, 2015, 01:10:47 PM
I really love this idea, but I have questions. I own a Duo, which doesn't have that expansion port, so would this include a cable that would allow me to use this?
Also, will this box cause any input delay while playing? I had a bad experience where I tried a SCART-to-HDMI box that caused input delay depending on the system.
And by the way, the Genesis 2 and 32X have a different video connector from the Genesis 1 and Master System. Have you considered that?
If this box will work without any issues on my Duo-RX, Sega Master System, Sega Genesis (with Sega CD and 32X), and SNES, without lag, I would most likely buy one.
Sorry Arjak, this won't work with any of the duo systems or super cd-rom2 attachment. Those will have to be internally modded. I will have to look into getting cables made for the genesis 2 and CDX. I have never noticed any delay/lag on my TV sets.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on March 02, 2015, 01:22:38 PM
holy shit! awesome work shawn! that is one hell of a masterpiece there!
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: synbiosfan on March 02, 2015, 01:49:55 PM
Mind blown!
Great job Shawn :clap:
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Dicer on March 02, 2015, 02:09:19 PM
Neat little box, but that price is a bit steep...
It's something the could be produced in bigger numbers and sold cheaper I'm sure there would be a market for such a thing.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: roflmao on March 02, 2015, 02:21:55 PM
Awesome, Turbokon!
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: thesteve on March 02, 2015, 04:47:52 PM
he isnt taking credit for the box
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Sarumaru on March 02, 2015, 05:18:51 PM
The price is a bit high, but it would make life very convenient for me. I have a Core Grafx sitting here very lonely, it'd be good to hook it up to one of the flat screens with this or use it for recordings. Count me in plz.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on March 02, 2015, 05:21:11 PM
even though it's not cheap, it is cheaper than an actual turbobooster but also has component output as well and works with other systems? price may be up there but i'd buy one if i had the extra money forsure!
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 03, 2015, 12:09:55 AM
Thanks guys but I can't take credit for this. I may come down on the price a little but will see after I built them. I'm also considering adding composite as well.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Brraap on March 03, 2015, 10:41:17 AM
Some snes systems output black and white on composite. But the RGB lines seem to not be affected when this problem happens. At least the 3 that i have tested, they work 100% with the box
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: technozombie on March 03, 2015, 10:50:04 AM
The price is a bit high, but it would make life very convenient for me. I have a Core Grafx sitting here very lonely, it'd be good to hook it up to one of the flat screens with this or use it for recordings. Count me in plz.
For the SNES/Genesis/MS that output RGB w/o a mod then this would be expensive. For the TG16 or PC Engine that would normally require a mod to get RGB i think the price is pretty fair and would not require you having to ship off your system to get it done. There was/is a kickstarter for component cables for the SNES/Genesis. I've been meaning to suggest to Turbokon to use his to RGB to component board and make some component cables. I for example would be interested in some for the Saturn.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 04, 2015, 12:55:24 AM
The price is a bit high, but it would make life very convenient for me. I have a Core Grafx sitting here very lonely, it'd be good to hook it up to one of the flat screens with this or use it for recordings. Count me in plz.
Added you to the list. Thanks
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: esadajr on March 04, 2015, 01:05:30 AM
if only I had my TG16 still around.
Label options should include the official DoxPhile image (something about obeying alone, with a hands lotion picture)
Title: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 04, 2015, 01:19:26 AM
Fyi, I normally charge $85 to install the component board with RCA's jacks and that doesn't include shipping both ways.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Groover on March 04, 2015, 05:28:41 PM
Your mods are great. Also the box is great. I like your site. Do you fix Sega CD ? Also have you played with having RGB out like SCART or JP21?
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 05, 2015, 12:34:56 AM
Fyi, I normally charge $85 to install the component board with RCA's jacks and that doesn't include shipping both ways.
Worth every penny too!
This is one of those items I'll regret passing on...I know it :(
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 11, 2015, 11:06:53 AM
Right now, it only works with one system plug in. Currently looking into getting this to work out with all systems plugged in at the same time.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 11, 2015, 03:01:38 PM
Now confirmed to work with the Sega nomad. (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/11/88ec2dbb4b7e36377bdac7d4ca219afd.jpg)
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Punch on March 11, 2015, 04:26:32 PM
With that connector, isn't it possible to build a CDRom adaptor to use the turbo with JP cd docks and vice-versa?
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: BlueBMW on March 11, 2015, 08:02:48 PM
Maybe one option for the duo crowd is to add a din8 plug to it. The duo systems will still require the rgb signals to be tapped and run to a din8 jack at the back that replaces the din5 that is stock. No rgb amp needed just run the three wires. Might be a simpler / cheaper mod that could be used with this box for convenience.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 12, 2015, 03:31:07 AM
Maybe one option for the duo crowd is to add a din8 plug to it. The duo systems will still require the rgb signals to be tapped and run to a din8 jack at the back that replaces the din5 that is stock. No rgb amp needed just run the three wires. Might be a simpler / cheaper mod that could be used with this box for convenience.
This is definitely an option for people who would like to use this box with their duo systems.
Title: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 12, 2015, 03:31:56 AM
Also, I would like to test this box with a neogeo aes and Atari jaguar but I don't own those systems. If anyone can send me those systems to test with would be awesome.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 12, 2015, 04:17:49 AM
WOW what an amazing device! How do you get the colors/brightness correct on a SNES? I hear it's a PITA to get right through RGB.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on March 12, 2015, 05:21:29 AM
Also, I would like to test this box with a neogeo aes and Atari jaguar but I don't own those systems. If anyone can send me those systems to test with would be awesome.
I could swear that RGB quality is different on the early to later model AES systems. That may, or may not, throw a kink in your plan.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: GohanX on March 12, 2015, 05:43:59 AM
There are several revisions of Neo board, so yeah, quality can vary. Some need to be modded to get clean rgb.
A cd system may be a better test. The rgb pinout is the same, but video quality in cd systems are fantastic.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 12, 2015, 06:19:10 AM
The Neo Geo did indeed have different RGB outputs.
http://nfggames.com/games/neorgb/
Luckily I have an early unit and just use Scart.
For the Jaguar I use Scart as well but no idea for the revisions.
Title: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: esteban on March 12, 2015, 09:47:43 AM
Duck it. Put me down for one, Turbokon! + upgrade.
Title: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 12, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
This should also works with the nes that has the rgb mod.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 12, 2015, 10:02:38 AM
I finally watched the video on my computer (not my phone) and I'm very excited.
I prefer crts but will try this on my lcd...sooner or later :P
I liked the shout out to the other tech gurus who've made this possible!
Have you tried your Gamecube?
Yes I did and it doesn't work with GameCube.
Title: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: esteban on March 16, 2015, 03:35:17 AM
I watched the video and it simply confirmed how this component video box is exactly what I need to experience RGB without actually modding my consoles.
This is excellent. :)
Turbokon: Years ago, you(?), or someone else here (a regular?), had an extra PCE AV Booster and incorporated the RGB mod into it. I don't remember hearing about the performance/results of this device.
Do you remember anything?
Anyway, this new magical box is so damn versatile it is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 16, 2015, 03:52:28 AM
Any chance you could make a Game Cube Component Cable? Maybe modify the far more common Wii Component Cable?
Regards
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: synbiosfan on March 16, 2015, 04:12:31 AM
I finally watched the video on my computer (not my phone) and I'm very excited.
I prefer crts but will try this on my lcd...sooner or later :P
I liked the shout out to the other tech gurus who've made this possible!
Have you tried your Gamecube?
Yes I did and it doesn't work with GameCube.
Rats! At least I still have s - video for my cube/gameboy player.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: technozombie on March 16, 2015, 05:54:23 AM
The US GameCube doesn't do RGB out and the component requires a special chip that is included with the cable. That is why GameCube component cables are so expensive now. The best option is to get a backwards compatible Wii and use the component cable for that. Since the Wii has all the actual GameCube hardware it is literally the same thing.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: EvilEvoIX on March 16, 2015, 11:27:49 AM
The US GameCube doesn't do RGB out and the component requires a special chip that is included with the cable. That is why GameCube component cables are so expensive now. The best option is to get a backwards compatible Wii and use the component cable for that. Since the Wii has all the actual GameCube hardware it is literally the same thing.
Roger that.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 18, 2015, 04:11:04 AM
This box should also work for an rgb modded nes as well. Got my rgb kit for my nes.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: xelement5x on March 18, 2015, 08:47:16 AM
The US GameCube doesn't do RGB out and the component requires a special chip that is included with the cable. That is why GameCube component cables are so expensive now. The best option is to get a backwards compatible Wii and use the component cable for that. Since the Wii has all the actual GameCube hardware it is literally the same thing.
Yeah, there is discussion on replicating the functions of that chip that have been outlined on another site. I'm just waiting for some manufacturer to start cranking them out.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Black Tiger on March 18, 2015, 10:12:28 AM
The Gamecube does VGA. Are those cables also rare and expensive because of a special chip?
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 21, 2015, 04:26:14 AM
Update, I just built another box. Took me a few hours just to built one, that's not including making the custom cables for the snes and genni. So I will leave prices at $100 for the tg16/PCE only option and $25 additional for the snes and genesis model 1 cables. Add another $10 for the CDX/nomad cables.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: synbiosfan on March 21, 2015, 07:05:50 AM
Update, I just built another box. Took me a few hours just to built one, that's not including making the custom cables for the snes and genni. So I will leave prices at $100 for the tg16/PCE only option and $25 additional for the snes and genesis model 1 cables. Add another $10 for the CDX/nomad cables.
I still would like the "deluxe" package with everything 8)
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Black Tiger on March 21, 2015, 07:39:21 AM
I'm happy to pay more for however many types of consoles can be supported. :)
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Gredler on March 23, 2015, 11:17:51 AM
On the duo if you replace din5 with din8, would it still work with RCA? So you can still use RCA cables, but have the option to use this box if desired?
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on March 25, 2015, 07:50:28 AM
On the duo if you replace din5 with din8, would it still work with RCA? So you can still use RCA cables, but have the option to use this box if desired?
Yes, the composite and stereo RCA cables will still work with the din8.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on April 24, 2015, 11:27:11 AM
Just an update, we're still working to get theses mass produce. We plan on doing a kick starter on this project.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: Black Tiger on April 24, 2015, 01:25:07 PM
I had the opportunity to see this live in action at MGC, it's completely freaking awesome!!!!!!
Thanks aslbozz. It's hard to convince people who never seen it in people on how awesome it looks. It's like trying to describe the colors to a person who is color blind.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: esadajr on June 01, 2015, 04:35:38 AM
unsuccessful :(
Maybe you should extend the deadline. Like 6 months or something.
Title: Re: The Magical Component Video Box
Post by: turbokon on June 01, 2015, 02:37:04 PM
Maybe you should extend the deadline. Like 6 months or something.
Esadajr, we're actually working on relaunching the kickstarter again sometime later this week or next's. This time we have put in a lot more effort and content on our campaign page and video's. To help get our message across, we are also trying to get big youtube names to give us a plug.
Check out this post for updates and head-ups on the new kickstarters.