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Title: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 16, 2015, 11:15:14 AM
I wanna review it but I don't think it's worth the 200+ dollars ebay is asking for. So in short, anybody got a decent copy or know where I can get one without the rape? RAEP
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Lochlan on March 16, 2015, 01:20:48 PM
Buy an everdrive?  $200 for a complete copy would be considered cheap these days.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 16, 2015, 01:31:50 PM
Buy an everdrive?  $200 for a complete copy would be considered cheap these days.

was thinking the same thing
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 16, 2015, 05:47:23 PM
Buy an everdrive?  $200 for a complete copy would be considered cheap these days.

Hmm.. this makes me regret not picking it up from YAJ for that price now. I had no idea that it was worth that much nowadays.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Arkhan on March 16, 2015, 08:32:52 PM
If you just want to review it, get a ROM and a flash card.

and if you're going to review it, at least play it for more than an hour.  Coryoon is a game that needs to be played through a few times to fully appreciate it, with all its powerups, and nonsense.

Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Opethian on March 17, 2015, 01:39:13 AM
be a score hoar, eat more fruits
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: MotherGunner on March 17, 2015, 04:54:43 AM


be a score hoar, eat more fruits



And get the T-Shirt!

http://www.redbubble.com/people/psurg/works/4932509-coryoon?p=t-shirt
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: SplatterTrigger on March 17, 2015, 06:30:16 AM
Good luck getting a copy for a fair price. It's a great game in my opinion. I picked mine up for $175 a couple years ago.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: pulstar on March 17, 2015, 07:16:53 AM
Awesome game. Better than Magical Chase IMO. Good luck finding a reasonably priced one (I managed to last year from another forum - around $175 excluding shipping).
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: hoobs88 on March 17, 2015, 07:20:04 AM
I picked up the "Chu card" version for around $35.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: MotherGunner on March 17, 2015, 07:53:23 AM
Chu card?
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Black Tiger on March 17, 2015, 08:17:54 AM
Chu card?
Bootleg.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 17, 2015, 10:38:46 AM
Maybe I'll talk to a certain someone about that chu - or maybe I'll ED it, but I'd like to use real everything for the review, at least real hardware. I'm not a fan of emulation so much. Especially for review purposes, I don't want to come off like I endorse that sort of thing. :|
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: geise on March 17, 2015, 02:01:41 PM
Yeah it's not a $60 game like it was about 5 years ago.  Even the overpriced japangamestock.com had it for $60 around then.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: hoobs88 on March 17, 2015, 05:00:03 PM
Chu card?


(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e209/hoobs88/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/hoobs88/media/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg.html)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: munchiaz on March 17, 2015, 09:43:10 PM
Def get a everdrive. It is the same thing as playing the actual HuCard on the hardware.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 01:30:26 AM
Maybe I'll talk to a certain someone about that chu - or maybe I'll ED it, but I'd like to use real everything for the review, at least real hardware. I'm not a fan of emulation so much. Especially for review purposes, I don't want to come off like I endorse that sort of thing. :|

ED isn't emulation though. Why not endorse it?
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 18, 2015, 04:04:27 AM
ED isn't emulation though.

Sure it is; it's hardware that emulates real hueys.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 04:10:47 AM
ED isn't emulation though.

Sure it is; it's hardware that emulates real hueys.

There's no difference with a flashcart versus real cart on the screen though. Both are running the same rom on original hardware

I should have been more specific in that you're not emulating the console hardware, which is all that really matters. I would say more that it replicates a real cart rather than emulates.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 04:53:57 AM
I thought this deserved another post,  talking on another forum about this and had someone explain it a bit more eloquently :

"Emulating a cart" doesn't make any sense, really. There is no difference between an Everdrive and an actual cart, technically speaking. Underneath that cart, the same ROM is there, waiting to be loaded and played. Using an Everdrive just means you have a cart that can load any ROM you want, and each ROM is assumedly ripped straight from an original cartridge. There is exactly zero difference.

Emulating the actual hardware is a HUGE difference. Emulators are built by reverse-engineering the console itself, through all manner of hacky shit. Honestly don't know how people do it entirely, but I assume it's probably by analyzing ROMs and seeing what system calls are made and what the expected behavior is, along with knowledge of the hardware itself.

The caveat is that these emulators wind up being inaccurate in several ways, whether it be framerate, sound, resolution, etc. Whatever it is. Emulator accuracy is a huge deal to a lot of people, and the best way to avoid having to deal with an Emulator is just to play on the original hardware to begin with.



Someone else also chimed in:

Emulation typically means you're attempting to mimic or recreate how the original hardware handled specific code (the game). The game is the same, whether it's on an SD card, flash cart, USB drive, etc. The important part is how that code is interpreted. Emulator typically involve a combination of reverse engineering, documentation, guesswork, and general programming skill. Not to mention that the emulator can produce wildly different results based on the hardware and OS it's running on. The game code is always the same, and is never technically emulated.


Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 18, 2015, 05:26:10 AM
Whether it makes sense to you or not, a flash cart most certainly is a device that emulates the functionality of the hardware found in original cartridges.  It's less apparent in the case of PCE hucards, which are comparatively simple, but it's quite obvious when it comes to NES or SNES games (flashcarts don't have dozens of real add-on chips on board).
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 05:39:07 AM
Whether it makes sense to you or not, a flash cart most certainly is a device that emulates the functionality of the hardware found in original cartridges.  It's less apparent in the case of PCE hucards, which are comparatively simple, but it's quite obvious when it comes to NES or SNES games (flashcarts don't have dozens of real add-on chips on board).

It doesn't imitate the function of an actual cart though, it replicates it. The console hardware is reading the exact same data as an actual cart. Seems more of a semantic issue to me - I think it's most common that people refer to emulation in gaming as console hardware reverse-engineering to run on new PC hardware. This introduces error to the game playing experience. So I don't think "emulation" would be the proper way to describe flashcarts.

And for the special chips, flashcarts are getting better. SD2SNES almost covers all of the special chip games now. If someone was so inclined they could butcher carts for the original special chips and make a flashcart with full compatibility from my understanding. For those few that aren't compatible, then they may be worth buying until flash carts catch up. Usually not considering the price though, imo.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 18, 2015, 06:03:20 AM
Look up the definition of hardware emulation.  :roll:

The fact is that original cartridges do not function in the same way that flash carts function.  Something like a chucard replicates an original huey, whereas a flashcart emulates them.

Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 06:11:40 AM
Look up the definition of hardware emulation.  :roll:

The fact is that original cartridges do not function in the same way that flash carts function.  Something like a chucard replicates an original huey, whereas a flashcart emulates them.

In integrated circuit design, hardware emulation is the process of imitating the behavior of one or more pieces of hardware (typically a system under design) with another piece of hardware, typically a special purpose emulation system.

 [-X
Look up the definition of imitation. Flashcarts replicate the function of original carts
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 18, 2015, 06:27:50 AM
Right, because hucards boot to a menu, use microcontrollers that allow them to read serial memory, and load games into onboard ram instead of allowing the console to run it straight from the rom.  :roll:

Flashcarts replicate the functionality of the original cartridge, true, but they do it by emulating the hardware found in said cartridges.  Did your mom drop you on your head a lot?  :lol:
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 06:37:18 AM
Right, because hucards boot to a menu, use microcontrollers that allow them to read serial memory, and load games into onboard ram instead of allowing the console to run it straight from the rom.  :roll:

Flashcarts replicate the functionality of the original cartridge, true, but they do it by emulating the hardware found in said cartridges.  Did your mom drop you on your head a lot?  :lol:

Resorting to childish name calling and eye rolling. Very mature moderators around here.

How does loading the game from ram versus rom change the end function of the hardware at all? I guess you could say that you are "emulating" the hardware of an original cart, but this only goes so far as to provide data for the original hardware to read. The exact same end result. Nothing "emulated" about the game playing experience.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 18, 2015, 06:46:49 AM
Resorting to childish name calling and eye rolling. Very mature moderators around here.

I roll my eyes at you because your continued ignorance and seemingly purposeful misuse of dictionary definitions is frustrating, and I didn't actually call you a name at all.  It's called levity, chief, or maybe just a joke at your expense.

How does loading the game from ram versus rom change the end function of the hardware at all?

If you mean the end function of the console, it doesn't matter at all, but that's not the point.  Whether or not it's transparent to the console doesn't change the fact that the flash cart itself is hardware emulating a real cart.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 06:54:46 AM
Resorting to childish name calling and eye rolling. Very mature moderators around here.

I roll my eyes at you because your continued ignorance and seemingly purposeful misuse of dictionary definitions is frustrating, and I didn't actually call you a name at all.  It's called levity, chief, or maybe just a joke at your expense.

I understand where you're coming from, but it's ignorant to define flashcarts as emulation given the use of this word in the gaming community as a whole. It could send misinformation to readers. Also your comment "Did your mom drop you on your head" is pretty offensive.

Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: pulstar on March 18, 2015, 07:04:36 AM
Can a mask rom be emulated? I suppose so, it is an active component (not passive such as a resistor or whatever) in a circuit . Does it really matter? No. Somebody wants to buy a Coryoon here (and actually play it rather than have it in a collection) :lol:...surely that's more important than semantics.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: BigusSchmuck on March 18, 2015, 07:52:30 AM
Chu card?


(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e209/hoobs88/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/hoobs88/media/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg.html)

I still need to get one of those. lol.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 18, 2015, 08:35:16 AM
... it's ignorant to define flashcarts as emulation given the use of this word in the gaming community as a whole. It could send misinformation to readers.

You still don't understand the difference between hardware emulation and software emulation, eh?  Don't fret, someday you'll get a clue.

Also your comment "Did your mom drop you on your head" is pretty offensive.

Indeed.  On the offense-ometer, it's one step ahead of claiming your dad buys his suits off the rack and just behind calling someone a doody head.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 18, 2015, 08:41:28 AM
I thought this deserved another post,  talking on another forum about this and had someone explain it a bit more eloquently :

"Emulating a cart" doesn't make any sense, really. There is no difference between an Everdrive and an actual cart, technically speaking. Underneath that cart, the same ROM is there, waiting to be loaded and played. Using an Everdrive just means you have a cart that can load any ROM you want, and each ROM is assumedly ripped straight from an original cartridge. There is exactly zero difference.

Emulating the actual hardware is a HUGE difference. Emulators are built by reverse-engineering the console itself, through all manner of hacky shit. Honestly don't know how people do it entirely, but I assume it's probably by analyzing ROMs and seeing what system calls are made and what the expected behavior is, along with knowledge of the hardware itself.

The caveat is that these emulators wind up being inaccurate in several ways, whether it be framerate, sound, resolution, etc. Whatever it is. Emulator accuracy is a huge deal to a lot of people, and the best way to avoid having to deal with an Emulator is just to play on the original hardware to begin with.



Someone else also chimed in:

Emulation typically means you're attempting to mimic or recreate how the original hardware handled specific code (the game). The game is the same, whether it's on an SD card, flash cart, USB drive, etc. The important part is how that code is interpreted. Emulator typically involve a combination of reverse engineering, documentation, guesswork, and general programming skill. Not to mention that the emulator can produce wildly different results based on the hardware and OS it's running on. The game code is always the same, and is never technically emulated.


(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/10659317_932944373390905_8606220436248025124_n.jpg)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Gredler on March 18, 2015, 09:45:51 AM
I thought this deserved another post,  talking on another forum about this and had someone explain it a bit more eloquently :

"Emulating a cart" doesn't make any sense, really. There is no difference between an Everdrive and an actual cart, technically speaking. Underneath that cart, the same ROM is there, waiting to be loaded and played. Using an Everdrive just means you have a cart that can load any ROM you want, and each ROM is assumedly ripped straight from an original cartridge. There is exactly zero difference.

Emulating the actual hardware is a HUGE difference. Emulators are built by reverse-engineering the console itself, through all manner of hacky shit. Honestly don't know how people do it entirely, but I assume it's probably by analyzing ROMs and seeing what system calls are made and what the expected behavior is, along with knowledge of the hardware itself.

The caveat is that these emulators wind up being inaccurate in several ways, whether it be framerate, sound, resolution, etc. Whatever it is. Emulator accuracy is a huge deal to a lot of people, and the best way to avoid having to deal with an Emulator is just to play on the original hardware to begin with.



Someone else also chimed in:

Emulation typically means you're attempting to mimic or recreate how the original hardware handled specific code (the game). The game is the same, whether it's on an SD card, flash cart, USB drive, etc. The important part is how that code is interpreted. Emulator typically involve a combination of reverse engineering, documentation, guesswork, and general programming skill. Not to mention that the emulator can produce wildly different results based on the hardware and OS it's running on. The game code is always the same, and is never technically emulated.


(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/10659317_932944373390905_8606220436248025124_n.jpg)


(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/353/279/e31.jpg)

In all honesty, this thread has sold me on getting an everdrive for my Turbo.. The research begins
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 18, 2015, 09:56:59 AM
In all honesty, this thread has sold me on getting an everdrive for my Turbo.. The research begins

Perhaps you're already aware, but there's a new version of the ED coming soon.  It won't make much difference for playing existing games, but it'd be worth waiting for for homebrew and translations (hopefully).
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Gredler on March 18, 2015, 10:08:41 AM
In all honesty, this thread has sold me on getting an everdrive for my Turbo.. The research begins

Perhaps you're already aware, but there's a new version of the ED coming soon.  It won't make much difference for playing existing games, but it'd be worth waiting for for homebrew and translations (hopefully).

Thanks, that is good to know. I believe I had read this somewhere, but it's great to get affirmation about that. Even if I didn't want the new version, the older version may drop in price due to this new release. I'll keep an eye out. I saw a review of this game, Coryoon, on Turboviews, and it made me interested, but upon seeing the price of this game an some of the other PCE games, I imagine the ED is the only way to afford playing most of the games on the system. Thanks!
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 12:05:40 PM

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/10659317_932944373390905_8606220436248025124_n.jpg)


Still wondering why you don't support flashcarts
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 12:11:21 PM
... it's ignorant to define flashcarts as emulation given the use of this word in the gaming community as a whole. It could send misinformation to readers.

You still don't understand the difference between hardware emulation and software emulation, eh?  Don't fret, someday you'll get a clue.

I take it you don't leave these forums too often, but in the retro gaming community as a whole where emulation normally denotes console emulating, likening flashcarts to emulation is like saying burning CD's for turboCD is emulation. You could stretch this to say that playing Turbo is "emulating" experiences from your childhood.  It's an issue of semantics - flashcarts shouldn't be referred to as emulation despite technically emulating cart pcb components. There is nothing "emulated" about the playing experience. it's the exact same as using a real cart. I know this might be hard to understand when you're so deep into a "collection" of sorts




Indeed.  On the offense-ometer, it's one step ahead of claiming your dad buys his suits off the rack and just behind calling someone a doody head.


So where does that leave the offender?
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 18, 2015, 12:41:14 PM

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/10659317_932944373390905_8606220436248025124_n.jpg)


Still wondering why you don't support flashcarts


I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 18, 2015, 01:13:22 PM


I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.

I see what you mean and definitely agree. Do you have a youtube channel to check out?
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 18, 2015, 04:43:57 PM
However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 18, 2015, 06:46:04 PM
However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.

Help me procure one and you can watch.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 18, 2015, 07:13:27 PM
However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.

Help me procure one and you can watch.

Browse ya and ebay everyday for hours until one in your price range appears. There eye helped.

*turns off lights and sparks cigarette*
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 19, 2015, 03:15:58 AM
So where does that leave the offender?

Right here, laughing at the guy that will never understand what hardware emulation is.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 19, 2015, 04:30:27 AM
However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in.

The quicker you admit you want a physical copy to rub your dingus on, the quicker you'll get one, methinks.

Help me procure one and you can watch.

Browse ya and ebay everyday for hours until one in your price range appears. There eye helped.

*turns off lights and sparks cigarette*

Okay, I am gonna hold out my hand and you can place Coryoon in it. K? Only after, brown chicken brown cow.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 19, 2015, 06:22:13 AM


I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.

I see what you mean and definitely agree. Do you have a youtube channel to check out?

I do but currently there's no PC Engine content there yet, I am having trouble getting game recording devices to recognize the component video feed from my Duo. I have a component dongle for PC, an Elgato recorder and a Hauppauge Rocket portable and none of these things see the feed. And I really don't want to use composite because it looks like absolute sh!t. Anyone go any ideas? In any case, here's my newest youtube channel, it's still a baby:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4pMpNXpErJcmWG8PWgPZsg 
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 19, 2015, 09:44:43 AM
So where does that leave the offender?

Right here, laughing at the guy that will never understand what hardware emulation is.

I've already stated that I understand that how someone might consider flashcarts hardware emulation, regardless that it has zero effect on the gameplay experience. I'll just keep wondering why you keep avoiding the semantic issue of the matter. Stay classy





I'm not really against them, it's a nice way to play games that are otherwise financially unattainable . However, I'd like to own a physical copy to show in the videos up close. Just for flare and presentation. Just the format I'm gonna do my videos in. I have no qualms with the Everdrive or people using them, I'd rather use that versus emulation on some other console or PC.

I see what you mean and definitely agree. Do you have a youtube channel to check out?

I do but currently there's no PC Engine content there yet, I am having trouble getting game recording devices to recognize the component video feed from my Duo. I have a component dongle for PC, an Elgato recorder and a Hauppauge Rocket portable and none of these things see the feed. And I really don't want to use composite because it looks like absolute sh!t. Anyone go any ideas? In any case, here's my newest youtube channel, it's still a baby:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4pMpNXpErJcmWG8PWgPZsg 

Cool, I've checked out some of your videos - lots of high quality stuff. Be sure to let everyone know when you upload pc engine stuff!!

As for recording game footage, I've never tried but maybe running an upscaler into the elgato is worth a shot? I'm sure someone around here should be able to help you out with that
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 19, 2015, 10:06:04 AM
Keep arguing with the dictionary.  It makes you look extra smart.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 19, 2015, 10:11:20 AM
Keep arguing with the dictionary.  It makes you look extra smart.

I think you may need to work on your reading comprehension.  it's a semantic issue.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 19, 2015, 10:36:14 AM
Hardly.  You say 'someone might consider flashcarts hardware emulation', which implies that you continue to think it's not; then you go on to blather about gameplay experience, which has absolutely nothing to do with anything.  Ergo the dictionary must be wrong.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 19, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
Hardly.  You say 'someone might consider flashcarts hardware emulation', which implies that you continue to think it's not; then you go on to blather about gameplay experience, which has absolutely nothing to do with anything.  Ergo the dictionary must be wrong.

This is exactly why it's a semantic issue - people ascribe different meanings to certain words; People use different dictionaries. Yes - flashcarts are hardware-based emulation of maskrom based carts. This is where semantics comes in - most people relate "emulation" in gaming to console emulation along with it's negative connotation. This is why I mention the lack of any difference between playing an actual cart versus a flashcart. So - "emulation" is a poor choice of words to describe a flashcart. That's all

Also I'm sorry if I write too formally, I'm in school and have to write this way most of the time.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Necromancer on March 19, 2015, 11:14:22 AM
This is exactly why it's a semantic issue - people ascribe different meanings to certain words; People use different dictionaries. Yes - flashcarts are hardware-based emulation of maskrom based carts. This is where semantics comes in - most people relate "emulation" in gaming to console emulation along with it's negative connotation. This is why I mention the lack of any difference between playing an actual cart versus a flashcart. So - "emulation" is a poor choice of words to describe a flashcart. That's all

Because some people are ignorant and think that the only type of emulation is software emulation, we shouldn't use correct terminology.  That's brilliant!

Some people think whales are fish.  They're not wrong, though, it's just semantics.  :lol:
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 19, 2015, 11:24:32 AM


Because some people are ignorant and think that the only type of emulation is software emulation, we shouldn't use correct terminology.  That's brilliant!

Some people think whales are fish.  They're not wrong, though, it's just semantics.  :lol:

That's a bit of a stretch.

But really if you go to any other gaming forum most people will agree that when speaking about gaming emulation we are referring to software emulation. Source - I asked this question on another forum (without bias) and not a single person agreed with emulation as the correct terminology for flashcarts, after 81 replies. Semantics is rooted in culture, and generally in gaming culture we don't see flashcarts as emulation. Despite the fact that some hardware components of a real cart are emulated by new hardware in a flashcart.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: wildfruit on March 19, 2015, 11:35:50 AM
I'd say an everdrive is emulation if only for the fact the storage medium for the rom is completely different to a Hucard. There is of course more than this but that is sufficient.
Most important thing : Play, enjoy.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: poponon on March 19, 2015, 11:52:35 AM
I'd say an everdrive is emulation if only for the fact the storage medium for the rom is completely different to a Hucard. There is of course more than this but that is sufficient.
Most important thing : Play, enjoy.

It'd be neat to do a survey on all relevant forums regarding this. I think most would see emulation related to software console emulation, but collector-heavy communities would have an amount of people seeing flashcarts as emulation.

I think I'm going to go enjoy some non-emulated games on my flashcart now :lol:
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 19, 2015, 12:13:37 PM
All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 19, 2015, 05:08:54 PM
All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)


I knew if I prayed to Jesus hard enough, it would happen.

#YouAreWelcome
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: esteban on March 19, 2015, 11:53:20 PM

All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)


I knew if I prayed to Jesus hard enough, it would happen.

#YouAreWelcome


You were praying for Jesus, though. There is a difference. :)

Still, I think it helped sarumaru procure Coryoon.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: esteban on March 20, 2015, 12:02:28 AM

I'd say an everdrive is emulation if only for the fact the storage medium for the rom is completely different to a Hucard. There is of course more than this but that is sufficient.
Most important thing : Play, enjoy.

It'd be neat to do a survey on all relevant forums regarding this. I think most would see emulation related to software console emulation, but collector-heavy communities would have an amount of people seeing flashcarts as emulation.

I think I'm going to go enjoy some non-emulated games on my flashcart now :lol:

There are certain topics you don't discuss in polite company: religion, sex, politics, TG-16, hardware emulation, Super Mario Bros. 2 (NA), Blodia.


Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 20, 2015, 05:16:16 AM
All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)


I knew if I prayed to Jesus hard enough, it would happen.

#YouAreWelcome


Your praying is useless unless you pray to mahKAWK
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Opethian on March 20, 2015, 06:45:19 AM
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Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Gredler on March 20, 2015, 07:36:42 AM
I'd say an everdrive is emulation if only for the fact the storage medium for the rom is completely different to a Hucard. There is of course more than this but that is sufficient.
Most important thing : Play, enjoy.



It'd be neat to do a survey on all relevant forums regarding this. I think most would see emulation related to software console emulation, but collector-heavy communities would have an amount of people seeing flashcarts as emulation.

I think I'm going to go enjoy some non-emulated games on my flashcart now :lol:

FWIW I agree it should be considered emulation. Emulation that is the closest to the real thing without it being a developer/publisher release. One thing that makes flash carts feel like emulation is how easily a rom can modified or dumped wrong, and unless you dump it yourself and know exactly what you're doing, you never know what is going on in a rom, could be a renamed Keith Courage.rom :P. When I was in my emulation/ROM using years I would often find multiple rips of the same game that would have variances (bad dumps, trainers, hacks.) Sure you can find revisions of the same game (Revenge of Shinobi, anyone?) but those changes were made by the developer and officially released, and are generally either historically epic in notability, or hardly noticeable. I feel like a fan modified version, home brew, and the like, are all adding to the "feeling" of emulation you're referring to card readers as not having. Sure it's the original hardware, but it's potentially a modified Rom, or improperly dumped ROM, etc. All of this on top of the fact there is actual emulation being performed at the hardware level (as discussed,) I side wholly on the idea that using a flash card is a form of emulation, or emulating. Although it is the the best way to play the games aside from retail releases, it's still emulation. I feel like it's a similar argument to the Retron 5. Some actually defend it as not emulation, because you're playing the actual carts. It's the inverse to this argument that has the same answer, emulation at any level is emulation, and there's nothing wrong with any of it. Enjoy the game, and if you want more authenticity there are a great number of options and levels of that authenticity available.

That being said, I am curious how to get a hold of one. I am not way into emulation, but there are quite a few games, such as Coryoon, that I will never be able to justify purchasing even if I can afford, so this is probably the road I need to invest in eventually, if I want to check out the rarez ;).
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 20, 2015, 10:23:38 AM
All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)


I knew if I prayed to Jesus hard enough, it would happen.

#YouAreWelcome


Your praying is useless unless you pray to mahKAWK Lord Mammon


fixed
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 20, 2015, 11:28:09 AM
All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)


I knew if I prayed to Jesus hard enough, it would happen.

#YouAreWelcome


Your praying is useless unless you pray to mahKAWK Lord Mammon


fixed


(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/11082561_10204728463665320_3068570349291799818_n.jpg)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 20, 2015, 05:17:00 PM
All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)


I knew if I prayed to Jesus hard enough, it would happen.

#YouAreWelcome


Your praying is useless unless you pray to mahKAWK Lord Mammon


fixed


(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/11082561_10204728463665320_3068570349291799818_n.jpg)


You're interesting. :333333333333333333333333333333
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 23, 2015, 04:54:24 PM
All your arguments are invalid, null and void cuz I procured myself a Coryoon already. And when I get it, I'm gonna boil it.

(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/galam-boils-all.gif)


I knew if I prayed to Jesus hard enough, it would happen.

#YouAreWelcome


Your praying is useless unless you pray to mahKAWK Lord Mammon


fixed


(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/11082561_10204728463665320_3068570349291799818_n.jpg)


You're interesting. :333333333333333333333333333333


(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/interesting-cats-4.jpg)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: HailingTheThings on March 23, 2015, 07:30:22 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fRg8PwH.png)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 23, 2015, 08:26:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/fRg8PwH.png)


Yes. Very good, Hailing. *pets*
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Trenton_net on March 24, 2015, 04:39:04 AM
Chu card?


(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e209/hoobs88/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/hoobs88/media/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg.html)


Are these repos sold anywhere in particular? Ie. can you buy them or have them special made? Or are these just one-offs people find or made for themselves?
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: BigusSchmuck on March 24, 2015, 05:34:17 AM
Chu card?


(http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e209/hoobs88/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg) (http://s40.photobucket.com/user/hoobs88/media/DSC05224_zpsezsl4dty.jpg.html)


Are these repos sold anywhere in particular? Ie. can you buy them or have them special made? Or are these just one-offs people find or made for themselves?

Talk to chop5, he might have some more.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: MotherGunner on March 24, 2015, 10:10:42 AM
This thread is full of 1st World Problems.   >=)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 24, 2015, 11:30:19 AM
This thread is full of 1st World Problems.   >=)


(http://www.sarumaru.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/j9yg7.jpg)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: MotherGunner on March 24, 2015, 04:23:01 PM
I need glasses.  I read, "BUT IT DIDN'T COME WITH ANAL..."

Giggity.
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on March 28, 2015, 12:49:59 PM
I need glasses.  I read, "BUT IT DIDN'T COME WITH ANAL..."

Giggity.


(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/000/444/308/fdf.jpg)
Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: esteban on March 28, 2015, 02:52:18 PM
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HOW IN THE WORLD DID I MISS THIS???!!!!

I strongly suspect my phone did not render this properly (I am on Le Compooter now). I'll have to check!

REGARDLESS, this thread is BACK ON TRACK. :)

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Title: Re: WTB Coryoon
Post by: Sarumaru on April 02, 2015, 09:10:07 AM
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HOW IN THE WORLD DID I MISS THIS???!!!!

I strongly suspect my phone did not render this properly (I am on Le Compooter now). I'll have to check!

REGARDLESS, this thread is BACK ON TRACK. :)

 (http://junk.tg-16.com/images/play_blodia_instead.png) 
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LOL u crack me up.
Also, Blodia looks terrible. :P