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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: Dicer on July 29, 2015, 03:27:58 AM
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So generally I am a Linux guy, but I still have a few games that NEED goddamned windows...
I upgraded last night, and aside from one crazy ass Video driver crash, I gotta say it's a pretty nice upgrade, finally adding shit like Virtual desktops (Lol welcome to the year 1985 Microsoft)
Just figured I'd make a topic in case anyone needed a hand, guess the process isn't as smooth for others as it was for me.
Cheers.
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Seeing as how 8.1 is pretty meh, I'm tempted to upgrade. Just in case something goes wrong, is there an easy way to start from scratch with a fresh install of 10, or would I have to reinstall 8.1 and upgrade?
And would you say it's worth the upgrade? I have some free shell thingy to give me back a start menu, but there's a few other things that are annoying (like swipe to close).
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Im going to wait a month or two. Im already set for the fre eupdate from 7, but I want to see how many issues people are having first, and I have a lot of data that needs to be backed up prior to the "upgrade".
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Seeing as how 8.1 is pretty meh, I'm tempted to upgrade. Just in case something goes wrong, is there an easy way to start from scratch with a fresh install of 10, or would I have to reinstall 8.1 and upgrade?
And would you say it's worth the upgrade? I have some free shell thingy to give me back a start menu, but there's a few other things that are annoying (like swipe to close).
You have a real start menu again, so classic shell can go the way of the dodo...
When you do the upgrade to 10 you can then make a dvd/usb media install in case you want to go with a fresh install, everyone has been suggesting doing the upgrade and then fresh if you want to afterwards, as the upgrade converts your key over. Once that happens when you do a clean install it's automatically keyed and activated by good ole MS.
I'm debating a fresh install as I have an SSD I use for my Linux stuff but I could swap that around to the mechanical drive and give windows the speed boost.
Overall, win 10 is nice and snappy, not complaints so far, but it's been 1/2 a day so we shall see lol.
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So generally I am a Linux guy, but I still have a few games that NEED goddamned windows...
I upgraded last night, and aside from one crazy ass Video driver crash, I gotta say it's a pretty nice upgrade, finally adding shit like Virtual desktops (Lol welcome to the year 1985 Microsoft)
Just figured I'd make a topic in case anyone needed a hand, guess the process isn't as smooth for others as it was for me.
Cheers.
I've been a Linux guy about 16 years at home. However due to work and other things, I have had to use windows as well, and have been doing so on a dual boot machine without upgrading my home desktop since 2008 in part because I didn't want Vista, Windows 7 or Windows 8.
With Windows 10 I'll keep an eye on things and if it looks usable I may take the plunge and finally buy that new desktop I've planned to purchase for the past 5 years.
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Im going to wait a month or two. Im already set for the fre eupdate from 7, but I want to see how many issues people are having first, and I have a lot of data that needs to be backed up prior to the "upgrade".
I have to test it for people I do some work for, they are always itching to upgrade and I need to make sure there are no showstoppers so they aren't left with a bunch of boat anchors in the office. They use some whack legacy software and I gotta make it all plays nice.
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I have been using some form of Linux or BSD since around the year 2000.
Over time as Linux has progressed the one big thing that has finally allowed me to move to an entire Linux as a desktop ecosystem is Steam.
I do everything on Linux even game but obviously for more choice I keep the gaming OS around as well.
I keep one machine with some great hardware in it for windows. I use windows 7 on it. I stream everything over my network that is windows only, gaming wise, using steam. And I only use google chrome for netflix. I am still a diehard Firefox user even though I hate the layout of it. I so want a browser to bring back the functionality Opera 11.5 whatever had in it's user interface.
So, 7 computers, a plethora of connected consoles and phones and the only Windows based product is that rig in the server rack streaming windows only games to the network. I have no need beyond that for a microsoft product personally.
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This will probably be Microsoft's last locally installed OS. I'm guessing the next version will probably be hosted on the cloud. https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/
I for one haven't started the upgrade to 10 yet, might try it on one of my pcs at home..
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Back then in the 90s, I had virtual desktops on my 80486 computer with Win 3.11 thanks to a Trident graphics card.
On topic, I'll see if Dell brings Windows 10 drivers for my Vostro 3360 laptop and hear from others how (good or bad) it performs. Until than, I stay with Windows 7
I so want a browser to bring back the functionality Opera 11.5 whatever had in it's user interface.
I'm still running Opera 12.17 with its old engine. Any other browser, even the new Opera with the Google engine and reduced functions, is trash.
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I'm holding off with 7 for a few months just to see how people like it. But with Microsoft they tend to release a shit OS then a great one.
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Back then in the 90s, I had virtual desktops on my 80486 computer with Win 3.11 thanks to a Trident graphics card.
Amiga 1000 had that back in 85, f*ck I miss the Amiga days....shit was like a time warp.
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I don't care for the tabletization of desktops, so I'm probably going to hold off for now. I have an ISO of it saved, that's good enough for me. My Surface Pro is upgraded, though.
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I have it 'reserved' for my Surface Pro 3.
When do I actually get to download and install it? I don't see the option to do so, just yet.
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I have signed up for 5 free Windows 10 but only one will get upgrade for sure. 8.1 is meh and even though it's better than 8.0 it still sucks for desktop. I will sit on the upgrade for a few weeks after it's live to iron out some major bugs. Then if it's still highly praised and better, I will go for it.
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Sticking with 7 over here. Unless you have a touch screen I really see no point to anything later. Plus I still use some old ass Yamaha MIDI software as there is no modern replacement.
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I have 2 Windows 8.1 tablets that can be upgraded and I will do it. It's always been fun to see what new
bugs features Microsoft has in store for us next. :)
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I upgraded my desktop from Win 8 and it now runs like a proper modern computer (webpages now load instantly, like on my freaking phone).
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I upgraded my desktop from Win 8 and it now runs like a proper modern computer (webpages now load instantly, like on my freaking phone).
Does it just update from the Windows Update panel, or are you forcing the update somehow?
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
I've been using it at home and at my job since day of release and literally have only had one blue screen.
That being said I'm waiting to back up all my shit before running that upgrade to 10 - I trust no one ;)
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Alright, I forced the update and now I'm posting from Windows 10
So far so good.
I too had no issues with 8.1 --- in worked great on my Surface Pro 3 and this new version is just more of the same, only better.
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
I've been using it at home and at my job since day of release and literally have only had one blue screen.
That being said I'm waiting to back up all my shit before running that upgrade to 10 - I trust no one ;)
8 was shite, forcing a mobile/table OS on people...Metro is unusable flat panel garbage, 8.1 made 8* a lot more tolerable. the proof that 8 was garbage is how scaled down Metro is in 10, it's like an afterthought and easily hidden and done away with.
That said, 10 is nice so far, at least performance wise.
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
I've been using it at home and at my job since day of release and literally have only had one blue screen.
That being said I'm waiting to back up all my shit before running that upgrade to 10 - I trust no one ;)
8 was shite, forcing a mobile/table OS on people...Metro is unusable flat panel garbage, 8.1 made 8* a lot more tolerable. the proof that 8 was garbage is how scaled down Metro is in 10, it's like an afterthought and easily hidden and done away with.
That said, 10 is nice so far, at least performance wise.
Yeah, but it's not like they force you into that interface. I just saw it as a minor annoyance.
I get what they were going after with Metro but I think they were banking on Tablet computing replacing desktop computing at a faster rate than it did.
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8 was shite, forcing a mobile/table OS on people...Metro is unusable flat panel garbage, 8.1 made 8* a lot more tolerable. the proof that 8 was garbage is how scaled down Metro is in 10, it's like an afterthought and easily hidden and done away with.
Not really. Metro did help bridge the gap for a hybrid PC/Tablet OS. It was an experiment, but I found it to be rather useful and intuitive on the Surface.
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I upgraded my desktop from Win 8 and it now runs like a proper modern computer (webpages now load instantly, like on my freaking phone).
I have no speed issues with 7. Cold start to desktop in less then a minute and everything is fast and snappy. Having an SSD does help quite a bit though.
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8 was shite, forcing a mobile/table OS on people...Metro is unusable flat panel garbage, 8.1 made 8* a lot more tolerable. the proof that 8 was garbage is how scaled down Metro is in 10, it's like an afterthought and easily hidden and done away with.
Not really. Metro did help bridge the gap for a hybrid PC/Tablet OS. It was an experiment, but I found it to be rather useful and intuitive on the Surface.
It's worse on Server 2012, they somehow thought it was a great idea to base it off Windows 8. I'll probably wait until this weekend before I make the plunge..
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I upgraded my desktop from Win 8 and it now runs like a proper modern computer (webpages now load instantly, like on my freaking phone).
I have no speed issues with 7. Cold start to desktop in less then a minute and everything is fast and snappy. Having an SSD does help quite a bit though.
If you think 7 is fast, you are in for a treat lol
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I backed up my 7 installed and did the upgrade to 10. Seems to be ok though honestly I kind of prefer the look of windows 7 aero instead of the flat matte utilitarian look of 8/10. Overall they didn't seem to break too much or remove access to too much stuff so it should be ok.
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I get what they were going after with Metro but I think they were banking on Tablet computing replacing desktop computing at a faster rate than it did.
They were also hoping the interface familiarity would help resuscitate the dying Windows mobile market.
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
Heh, go f*ck yourself.
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:mrgreen: I still use Windows 98 ( to play Army Men II and I haven't got a reason to upgrade so yeah.. ).
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Having only been a recent uptaker of windows 8.1, I have to say I really like it. Having no problems whatsoever it's fast, responsive and, I confess, I like the Start screen. I'll leave my desktop for now and try 10 on an old laptop to see what it's like
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
I was half expecting you to add "And Microsoft Bob was amazing, having Rover bring me the news in my virtual chair was a big innovation that was just too ahead of its time for the mainstream."
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
I was half expecting you to add "And Microsoft Bob was amazing, having Rover bring me the news in my virtual chair was a big innovation that was just too ahead of its time for the mainstream."
Sticking to my guns on the MS Punching bag comment...they've been making good moves (sans the xbone launch) since they got rid of Ballmer and hired Satya Nadella. Some people will never be convinced though :)
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Sticking to my guns on the MS Punching bag comment...they've been making good moves (sans the xbone launch) since they got rid of Ballmer and hired Satya Nadella. Some people will never be convinced though :)
They're a bit of a punching bag. I just hated the Win 8 interface as did most of the general public. Their lambasting was completely deserved.
That interface is the GUI equivalent of the parking at VGS
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They're a bit of a punching bag. I just hated the Win 8 interface as did most of the general public. Their lambasting was completely deserved.
That interface is the GUI equivalent of the parking at VGS
Ooph, good analogy heh. Still mad we didn't make it to the balloon conference down the hall.
The look on the auto sales lady's face when we described VGS to her (they were having a sales manager's conference on the upper floor) was priceless.
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
Heh, go f*ck yourself.
There goes Necro the Charmer. ;)
BTW, anybody know how to force an upgrade now with the stupid Win10 reserve app ? You're supposed to have to let it sit and it'll eventually/randomly let ya know when it is deemed time for the upgrade to occur ?? ... Very interesting way to do this, I must say...
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Windows 8 was fine. People are whiny and just like to use MS as a punching bag.
Heh, go f*ck yourself.
There goes Necro the Charmer. ;)
BTW, anybody know how to force an upgrade now with the stupid Win10 reserve app ? You're supposed to have to let it sit and it'll eventually/randomly let ya know when it is deemed time for the upgrade to occur ?? ... Very interesting way to do this, I must say...
You can download it directly from HERE.
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Yeah the rolling it out in waves is a little odd. I can only assume they are trying to avoid their servers getting hammered. I'm keeping my main gaming desktop on 8 for now. I'm happy with it. But I signed up to get the free upgrade on my old gaming now family desktop.
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What are the pros/cons of upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit (Sadler's link lets you choose between 32-bit/64-bit) ?? Has their emulation layer improved enough to maintain decent compatibility with 32-bit apps or are you gonna break too many to make it worth it ?
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I've been running 64bit since Mojave! I haven't really had any problems with compatibility for a few years now. The only exceptions are the occasional old piece of hardware without signed 64bit drivers, and there is no compatibility for older 16 bit applications at all. So no Chips Challenge for you. Though that may be the case for 32 bit OS versions now too?
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What are the pros/cons of upgrading from 32-bit to 64-bit (Sadler's link lets you choose between 32-bit/64-bit) ?? Has their emulation layer improved enough to maintain decent compatibility with 32-bit apps or are you gonna break too many to make it worth it ?
As far as I know, 32-bit apps work fine in 64-bit versions of Windows. Been like that for about a year or so. Used to hate 64-bit Windows when I had to setup Point of Sale PCS..
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If your processor is 64-bit, you should probably be running 64-bit. There's almost no reason not to and lots of good reasons to do so. XP64 was a bit shaky, but since Vista 64-bit Windows seems to be pretty damn solid.
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My old computer had Win XP Professional 32 bit, my current machine runs Win 7 Professional 64 bit. As it has 6 GB of RAM, the 64 bits are needed to address them anyway.
The majority of applications run perfectly fine, be it 32 bit or 64 bit programs. Just don't expect to run DOS games without relying on DOS box emulation. Also make sure that your machine has all the drivers available for the OS and its bitcount. Also peripherals can be bitchy about the OS version they run on, especially printers and scanners don't get longtime support by their manufacturers.
So if you've got a laptop computer or any exotic peripheral, doublecheck driver support before upgrading your OS.
For old games from the DOS to early Win XP era, don't throw away your old dusty big tower PC. Keep it.
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Hm, sounds good, I'm trying, but looks like I gotta make my tablets boot off the microSD card. The setup exe is 64-bit and can't execute from the default 32-bit 8.1 install and the Win10 app made no mention if it was gonna keep 32-bit form or let me upgrade. All my CPUs have been 64-bit, even my 2008 PC tower, but they all came with 32-bit versions of Windows.
Learned the hard way when I bought two 2GB RAM sticks to make my tower go from 3GB to 4GB system memory, but that it didn't matter cause 32-bit Vista couldn't make use past 3GB so I had bought the sticks for nothing... Told a friend about it, and he realized his 4GB total wasn't doing anything for his 32-bit XP, so right then and there he upgraded to 64-bit and after looking at Task Manager could see that the full 4GB was being reported as available. Heh.
Alright, I gotta see how to boot off a microSD card or USB memory stick with my tablets.
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Hm, sounds good, I'm trying, but looks like I gotta make my tablets boot off the microSD card. The setup exe is 64-bit and can't execute from the default 32-bit 8.1 install and the Win10 app made no mention if it was gonna keep 32-bit form or let me upgrade. All my CPUs have been 64-bit, even my 2008 PC tower, but they all came with 32-bit versions of Windows.
Learned the hard way when I bought two 2GB RAM sticks to make my tower go from 3GB to 4GB system memory, but that it didn't matter cause 32-bit Vista couldn't make use past 3GB so I had bought the sticks for nothing... Told a friend about it, and he realized his 4GB total wasn't doing anything for his 32-bit XP, so right then and there he upgraded to 64-bit and after looking at Task Manager could see that the full 4GB was being reported as available. Heh.
Alright, I gotta see how to boot off a microSD card or USB memory stick with my tablets.
This might help:
http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-create-bootable-windows-10-usb-flash-drive-guide/
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http://www.tabletroms.com/forums/winbook-tw100/7314-custom-reload-tw700-800-801-win-8-1-win10.html
Well, no go, I had to upgrade the normal way with a 32-bit version. My tablets are of the "fortunate" ones that came with 32-bit UEFI “ONLY” apparently so I'm stuck with 32-bit OS versions. Ah well...
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It's a good thing you mentioned UEFI Nightwolve, it reminded me of something, maybe some advice for others.
Never ever buy anything that is UEFI only with secure boot.
Go ahead and buy UEFI products but if they have secure boot on them stay clear of them. Most likely that device if it's a desktop, laptop, phone or tablet will be locked into the OS it comes with no changes at all.
Going form Linux to windows or windows to linux or a BSD just isn't possible on locked devices. Don't support the companies that force this draconian non-secure method that only hurts end users. People that want to harm you're computer will still do it even with secure boot.
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Might want to wait a bit before installing:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
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It's a good thing you mentioned UEFI Nightwolve, it reminded me of something, maybe some advice for others. Never ever buy anything that is UEFI only with secure boot.
Yeah, it locked me into staying 32-bit which I guess is OK - I haven't run into a 64-bit only app that I really wanted or something. I think the secure boot is off by default (what I heard) but yeah...
Well, I have my progress report on the upgrade...
The one failure that will occur with Microcenter branded WinBook tablets revolves around a file called "TouchSetting.gt" in the "C:\Windows\INF" folder! You must copy this file right now, save it, upgrade to 10, and copy it back to the "C:\Windows\INF" folder and reboot. What happens is the tablet touch mousing operation will be inverted. If I touch the center, that works, but as I move outwards like say to the upper right, the mousing action will occur on the bottom left... Spent an hour or more to figure it out but luckily someone in the MicroCenter forums learned the trick messing with the preview versions of Windows 10 months ago!
http://www.mctsol.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1372
So all the models from TW700 to TW100 (I have both, it's 7" to 10.1") need to have that done for them to work properly... If I didn't have a USB Keyboard and a wireless USB mouse, it would've been pretty hard to control the tablet after I did the upgrade, pretty much would've been stuck. You needed another computer to research what the problem was...
This wasn't that big of a deal compared to say upgrading an Android phone... You have to completely rely on fans to make a new build for your particular model and sometimes that may never happen, so your phone will pretty much be left behind... But yeah, these tablets were sold at great prices because of lacking all the extras that come with the big boys like HP, Dell, etc. You need to be a bit techy for something like this.
Anyway, I always enjoy an upgrade actually just to see how things progress. But I also like to keep all my old computers with multiple partitions that are able to boot to older versions. My 2nd PC tower which is mostly retired can boot to Win98, NT4, NT2K and XP with a simple boot manager I found ages ago by a good programmer. Sometimes it's good for testing, but on my current PC tower, I get by with Microsoft Virtual PC and emulating 98 or 2K for such tests of my software.
Well, good luck to anybody else! My problem is not really a problem if it was a desktop or tower that always has a USB keyboard and mouse connected to it actually. It would've been a totally smooth upgrade if not for the touch screen aspect.
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Might want to wait a bit before installing:
http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/31/windows-10-microsoft-faces-criticism-over-privacy-default-settings
Nothing that isn't already being done by your smartphone, and there is ways to opty out of a good chunk of it, it's a "free" Os they had to make that money back somehow, it's shit but it's not unexpected or New, hell even Ubuntu has a shitty privacy setting, but that's easily remedied.
If Microsoft wants to know I look at retro gaming shit and modern porn, so be it...
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Well I upgraded, and after taking time to read and stop all the privacy issues. Which honestly people should know by now NEVER use the default install settings. hitting the custom screen pops up the privacy defaults and you can easily turn them off.
However,
Mine is glitchy as hell. I am experience it not recognizing the antivirus. and severe screen flashing. There does not seem to be a cure for this. Except rolling back. If anyone hears of a cure I missed, let me know. My computer is essentially a brick with it flashing, since you can't click anything.
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Well I upgraded, and after taking time to read and stop all the privacy issues. Which honestly people should know by now NEVER use the default install settings. hitting the custom screen pops up the privacy defaults and you can easily turn them off.
However,
Mine is glitchy as hell. I am experience it not recognizing the antivirus. and severe screen flashing. There does not seem to be a cure for this. Except rolling back. If anyone hears of a cure I missed, let me know. My computer is essentially a brick with it flashing, since you can't click anything.
The nice thing about that upgrade it automatically upgrades your Windows 7-8.1 key into Windows 10. I usually suggest doing a fresh install instead of a upgrade as upgrades always seem to have some lingering issues...
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Funny you mentioned that, Bigus, I got to feeling "lucky" so I decided to do a nice clean install after the upgrade... Was a lot more work, it's not for the faint of heart! Feel better about it though,
but still missing one driver at present - FIXED with DriveForLife's help!. Don't try this unless you're reasonably techy with experience!!
0) You will definitely need a USB keyboard and mouse, and likely a USB hub to connect both at the same time! I used the microUSB port for power, but then I had to use it to boot off my USB memory stick! The touchscreen mousing drivers are not likely to be included with Windows 10 and popup keyboard might be flaky even after!! My tablet is nice in that I have a 2nd full size USB port, and a microUSB port which is normally for power.
1) First do the upgrade with the popup Windows app normally! This will associate your product key with 10. After a full upgrade, if it works reasonably well and all drivers are accounted for, then you can try for a clean install! I hadn't used my tablets long enough to care too much about established settings and apps, so I didn't care.
2) If your system has no Windows product key sticker, then it's embedded in the BIOS or the UEFI partition by the OEM, etc. It's also stored in the Windows registry in binary form so you need an app to decode it to readable form - a link to one that works is below! Write it down because on a clean install it'll ask you for it and not find it on some custom partition.
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/product_cd_key_viewer.html#DownloadLinks
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/produkey.zip
3) For tablets with restore options, you'll have to make a decision about the ~4GB of space that was allocated for a clean copy of the original OS! I deleted that partition and joined it with the main one for a full 28.9 GB of space - My WinBook TW100 is a 32GB tablet! Only 100 MB is allocated at the start for the UEFI. So yeah, the Windows installer gives you a basic Partition Manager screen for deciding where to install it. You can delete/create/format/etc. It'll likely refuse to touch the custom reserved partitions as it did for me. (I wasn't feeling THAT lucky to research other fan software or maybe Linux to nuke that UEFI and upgrade it to 64-bit - don't need to risk bricking my tablets!)
4) Download "Win10_English_x32.iso" or "Win10_English_x64.iso" from Microsoft. It will ask you for edition, choose the FIRST one, "Windows 10" (the others are hacked versions for Europe due to their crazy money-stealing legal courts!), then choose language as "English" and you should get buttons for 32-bit or 64-bit.
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO
5) Making a bootable 4GB (or more) USB memory stick with a Win10 32/64-bit ISO was easy enough with an app called Rufus.
https://rufus.akeo.ie/
a) First you browse for the Win10 ISO, "Win10_English_x32.iso" or "Win10_English_x64.iso"
b) Select MBR partition scheme for UEFI
c) FAT32 (default) for File system
d) 4096 bytes (default) for cluster size
e) MAKE SURE to type something short for volume label like "WIN10" - if it generates its own long one, it might error out on formatting and not tell you why it failed.
f) All other settings leave to default
With your USB memory stick plugged in, it should've detected it and pressing the "Start" button will begin. If it succeeds, your memory stick will be load with win10 and be bootable.
6) Booting off a memory stick for a tablet could be tricky... I HAD to use the microUSB port, so I needed a male microUSB to female full-size USB cable to plug the memory stick in! This means I had to rely on the battery of the tablet since I couldn't have the power cable connected to it!
But before that, you need to change the BIOS Boot Order! You can do this 2 ways! Windows 10 can do it for you in Settings or you can use one of the F keys when you turn your system on with keyboard connected (mine was F2)! On Windows, click the new start menu, hit Settings -> Recovery -> "Restart Now" and that'll take you to a menu to "Use a device" where you will choose "USB HDD." So Windows will change the BIOS order to boot first off a USB memory stick before the internal flash drive and that should do the trick!
7) THE REALLY BIG PROBLEM: You need to copy your existing "C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore" folder as one way to *help*, find driver detecting and installing apps as another way...
a) Here's one app that found 2 drivers for me: http://drp.su/
This one is also freeware: http://www.drivethelife.com/free-drivers-download-utility.html
b) In my case, Intel made many driver installer programs that you have to find for things like the camera, microphone, speakers, etc. I got it from this link: http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds040016
Now everything is working, except I only have one unknown device driver and I don't know what it is just yet... So this MAY or MAY NOT work out well for you, it's a tad risky and it puts you in the same situation as upgrading an Android tablet/phone, you need to research a bit simply because a clean Win10 install will not have ALL of the drivers in it for every known piece of hardware out there... Microsoft just isn't that good and even the Windows Scan/Update feature will not detect everything and find a driver for it, etc.!
Additional Info for Drivers:
http://answers.microsoft.com/how-to-install-and-update-drivers-in-windows-10/ (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_devices/how-to-install-and-update-drivers-in-windows-10/a97bbbd1-9973-4d66-9a5b-291300006293)
Conclusion: If you're not a techhead, just stick with upgrading. All Win7/8.1 drivers present are imported, upgraded if a Win10 version was created, and things are just more likely gonna go smooth! If you're like me and got to feeling lucky plus have experience in this, then give it a shot, but FAIR WARNING!
EDIT: With the help of http://www.drivethelife.com (http://www.drivethelife.com/) , I was able to determine what the final device was! It didn't install a working driver though, so I grabbed the files from a Win8.1 install, picked the correct INF file and installed over with the Device Manager. This concluded my full upgrade and everything is now fully working and looking in order! It looks like this software is what you need, it can backup important driver sets such as from Intel, and you can save that on your USB memory stick for a clean install attempt.
Either way, good luck should you attempt this yourself!
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Well I upgraded, and after taking time to read and stop all the privacy issues. Which honestly people should know by now NEVER use the default install settings. hitting the custom screen pops up the privacy defaults and you can easily turn them off.
However,
Mine is glitchy as hell. I am experience it not recognizing the antivirus. and severe screen flashing. There does not seem to be a cure for this. Except rolling back. If anyone hears of a cure I missed, let me know. My computer is essentially a brick with it flashing, since you can't click anything.
The nice thing about that upgrade it automatically upgrades your Windows 7-8.1 key into Windows 10. I usually suggest doing a fresh install instead of a upgrade as upgrades always seem to have some lingering issues...
That would be nice, except it requires imput of a password. The issues won't allow for this, I've gone ahead and rolled back to windows 8.
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:mrgreen: I still use Windows 98 ( to play Army Men II and I haven't got a reason to upgrade so yeah.. ).
There you go. Win98 forever! Nothing beats running your legacy apps on "real hardware".
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I was using it during the insider preview phase, till my test laptop died. Promising in a lot of aspects, my biggest concern comes from how app oriented it is and the potential for monetization (and other nasty practices). I think the Solitaire scandal proves it. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
If everything is nice and dandy under Win7, then by all means just keep it.
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People with 16GB Windows 7-8.1 tablets will have a helluva time upgrading! For my small Winbook 7", I failed about 5-6 times with the upgrade app downloading the 3 GB installer files each time, then failing by running out of disk space, deleting everything it downloaded, and you having to free up every last byte thinking you gained enough only to try and fail again! Hah! You need at least 9 GB free, and a 16GB tablet usually only has like ~10 GB total with half taken by the current OS, and where 4-6 GB has been taken away by the manufacturer to store a clean image of the default OS for disaster recovery!
But yeah, it took many hours across a few days to get it right... I basically tricked it on the 5th time into running off an external 16GB microSD card to work, and after upgrading, I did a clean install, got to the partition manager, and nuked that recovery partition, so now I have a full 14.3 GB available for the internal SD and can use an external 32 GB microSD card or the USB slot for more space for other stuff!
I do NOT recommend you trying the full format+clean install afterwards because of the driver tracking situation you'll be left with!!! There's a whole industry out there for both payware and freeware software to detect your devices and offer info on where to grab the driver software for them! It took many tries, many pieces of software whose trustworthiness could be questionable to finally get it working right and have all drivers accounted for. So it is booting proper now, touchscreen is fully working, audio has been restored with Intel/Realtek drivers, etc. but with all that difficulty, most people don't need all that headache so just stick with upgrading!!
If there was a universal website that handled driver detection and installation, it'd be great! Microsoft's update service is surprisingly not that powerful and it's weird to see that this whole industry has popped up surrounding this area! Anyway, it's cool to have upgraded both my tablets and gotten a chance to regain the partition space for their internal drives to maximize space. The 16GB tablet really needed it! It just means for disaster recovery, you need to make an external bootable USB memory stick or SD card and that's what you'll have to use instead of relying on the manufacturer's recovery partition idea which basically replaces the disaster recovery CD/DVD that you get with a full PC.
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People with 16GB Windows 7-8.1 tablets will have a helluva time upgrading! For my small Winbook 7", I failed about 5-6 times with the upgrade app downloading the 3 GB installer files each time, then failing by running out of disk space, deleting everything it downloaded, and you having to free up every last byte thinking you gained enough only to try and fail again! Hah! You need at least 9 GB free, and a 16GB tablet usually only has like ~10 GB total with half taken by the current OS, and where 4-6 GB has been taken away by the manufacturer to store a clean image of the default OS for disaster recovery!
But yeah, it took many hours across a few days to get it right... I basically tricked it on the 5th time into running off an external 16GB microSD card to work, and after upgrading, I did a clean install, got to the partition manager, and nuked that recovery partition, so now I have a full 14.3 GB available for the internal SD and can use an external 32 GB microSD card or the USB slot for more space for other stuff!
I do NOT recommend you trying the full format+clean install afterwards because of the driver tracking situation you'll be left with!!! There's a whole industry out there for both payware and freeware software to detect your devices and offer info on where to grab the driver software for them! It took many tries, many pieces of software whose trustworthiness could be questionable to finally get it working right and have all drivers accounted for. So it is booting proper now, touchscreen is fully working, audio has been restored with Intel/Realtek drivers, etc. but with all that difficulty, most people don't need all that headache so just stick with upgrading!!
If there was a universal website that handled driver detection and installation, it'd be great! Microsoft's update service is surprisingly not that powerful and it's weird to see that this whole industry has popped up surrounding this area! Anyway, it's cool to have upgraded both my tablets and gotten a chance to regain the partition space for their internal drives to maximize space. The 16GB tablet really needed it! It just means for disaster recovery, you need to make an external bootable USB memory stick or SD card and that's what you'll have to use instead of relying on the manufacturer's recovery partition idea which basically replaces the disaster recovery CD/DVD that you get with a full PC.
Unless you got a recent Lenovo or a Dell laptop, those guys have Windows 10 drivers already. I'm currently virtualizing it on my Windows 7 desktop at work, going to wait a bit methinks..
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Yeah, I mean if you decide to repartition, format, and then boot off a clean Win32 or Win64 image, you will not get the benefit of driver importation as you did when you first did a basic upgrade... Just in case people misread me, you MUST do the regular upgrade so that your Windows Product key is converted to Windows 10 and then see how things work, and then if you wanna try a format/clean install you can go the next step, but like I said, you'll be faced with driver hunting and will need the help of other software if you hope to be successful! I think http://www.driveridentifier.com/ might be OK trust-wise and you can log in with your Google account with them, just click that you're not a commercial entity, and they'll let you get to a needed driver download after their app detects what's needed on your system. But yeah, that's all a big headache and probably not worth it for most people, so just do a regular upgrade with their popup app and leave it be...
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YES, Dell confirmed that they tested the Win10 upgrade for my Vostro 3360 and thus officially support it.
Now I just have to check all important programs and peripherals I use for compatibility. It would be a shame if my PCE Flash cart software (not Everdrive) wouldn't be supported by Win10.
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For some reason my laptop popped up saying it was ready to install win 10 last night. I wasn't planning on doing it and had only signed up for the upgrade on my old desktop. My Desktop still says it's waiting and I wanted to try it out so I figured what the hell.
Bottom Line up Front: I like it. It's definitely an upgrade from 8/8.1 IMO. Everything about it feels better. It's still to early to tell if I like it more than 7 but I at least like it as much as 7.
This laptop is ancient so like I said I wasn't planning on upgrading it. It's an Acer Extensa 4620z. Intel 965 chipset so dick all for graphics and originally 2gb ram and a Pentium dual core 1.4ghz. Needless to say it was crap. But I upgraded some things. Swapped out the processor for a 2.4ghz core 2 duo and upped the ram to 4 GB about a year ago. Also Installed windows 7 and it turned into a pretty nice laptop.
The only problem I experienced with the upgrade was with windows chosen WDDM version of the GMA 965 driver. There where no glaring problems after the upgrade and it wasn't until I went to play ppsspp on it that I discovered the problem. All of a sudden it didn't work anymore. It kept telling me my opengl version(1.1.0) wasn't high enough. I looked online and the GMA965 supports opengle 1.5. And it worked before the upgrade. So I went to Intel's website and downloaded the latest Win 7 drivers and installed them. Despite the warning that the already installed version was newer the older drivers restored my opengl performance.
A minor problem I just noticed today is that Applocale no longer works in 10. It hasn't been officially supported since Vista I think and it seems that now it is no longer an option. I've moved on to some other program to make up for it.
Beyond that I'm completely happy with the upgrade. And will be upgrading my main rig which I hadn't been planning on doing.
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I'm still pissed it doesn't have RSTAT tools nor can I use virtual box to virtualize Windows 7/8.1 in case there are things I can't run on it yet. Once RSTAT and virtual box works with it, I'll jump ship.
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I'm still pissed it doesn't have RSTAT tools nor can I use virtual box to virtualize Windows 7/8.1 in case there are things I can't run on it yet. Once RSTAT and virtual box works with it, I'll jump ship.
Dual boot with another version of Windows, worked fine for me.
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I have a bit of performance issues to report on my WinBook 7" tablet which previously ran fine on 8.1.
* I've started to see outright crashes for the FIRST time on this tablet... All of a sudden it's literally stuck and I have to hold the power button down to shut it off and restart.
* VLC is my preferred video player (http://www.videolan.org/) as I found it always produced the best video quality of any movie, general video file, etc. It used to work perfectly fine on 8.1 playing 720p or 1080p MP4 video files. Now however, it's completely buggy and it appears to suffer from extreme lag. Video can get stuck, crap out in a pixelated mess, it just doesn't seem like the CPU is powerful enough to handle it... I tried raising the process priority, but that only helped mildly. It appears the native video player by Microsoft works fast enough though, but it's basic and lacking all the bells and whistles.
So yeah, VLC no longer works for me and I've started to see outright crashes for the first time on this tablet. There was a pretty big patch update with Windows Update, so hopefully it will perform better next time around, I'll have to see. I had these problems a bit before this update which happened yesterday. Another thing about said update, when it started off, the system just DID IT while I was playing a video and rebooted on me WITH NO NOTICE/WARNING WHATSOEVER...... If I remember correctly, this was a default behavior on Windows Vista and you had to change a flag in the registry, 'xxxxautoreboot' or something, to stop it...
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I just did two laptops (for my parents).
They opted to upgrade to SSDs first as they have pretty decent laptops with 2.6ghz CPUs and 8GB Ram and wanted clean installs...holy shit.
I backed up their personal folders and favorites, then installed factory images on each. Had to go through the entire Win7 flow just to retain the original OEM programs they got for free and drivers. Then wait a couple a days until every last update was installed, then forced the Win10 install. Like someone said, NOT for the faint of heart. It was a true exercise in patience.
ProTip - remember to go back and delete Windows.Old via disk cleanup. You will regain about 20gb which is necessary on an SSD.
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Yeah, the driver hunt was "fun" if you choose to repartition/format and do a clean install! Upgrading simply imports all that data and allows for a far smoother, problem-free experience.
http://www.driveridentifier.com/
As I mentioned, I found that website to be the most trustworthy for this process and you can use it for free if you log in with your googlepages account and click "not a commercial user" when needed.
I did learn some new things and because of that website, I also ran it on my Vista PC tower, and was surprised to find some new versions of drivers like for my PCI Express USB 3.0 card which I purchased about a year ago on the cheap so I could at least provide this old 2008 machine with some up modernizing and to complement the 2 TB external USB 3.0 backup drive I had purchased since it didn't have eSATA. But yeah, the Windows Update feature cannot fully help you with driver update/maintenance... I'm surprised at how lacking in power it is...
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I'm still pissed it doesn't have RSTAT tools nor can I use virtual box to virtualize Windows 7/8.1 in case there are things I can't run on it yet. Once RSTAT and virtual box works with it, I'll jump ship.
Dual boot with another version of Windows, worked fine for me.
Well this is for my pc at work, I haven't even started my pcs at home yet. lol I will say it is pretty snappy for my I5-2500k with 8gb of ram and 256 ssd (took about a total of 2 minutes to install office 2013). I don't see my workplace jumping ship from Windows 7 anytime soon (hell we just finished upgrading/replacing 85 xp machines this year!) as everyone here is using their pcs as a dumb terminal to remote into RD land.
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I'm still pissed it doesn't have RSTAT tools nor can I use virtual box to virtualize Windows 7/8.1 in case there are things I can't run on it yet. Once RSTAT and virtual box works with it, I'll jump ship.
Dual boot with another version of Windows, worked fine for me.
Well this is for my pc at work, I haven't even started my pcs at home yet. lol I will say it is pretty snappy for my I5-2500k with 8gb of ram and 256 ssd (took about a total of 2 minutes to install office 2013). I don't see my workplace jumping ship from Windows 7 anytime soon (hell we just finished upgrading/replacing 85 xp machines this year!) as everyone here is using their pcs as a dumb terminal to remote into RD land.
Ah okay, I ran a dual boot when the Windows 10 developer preview was out without any issues. I was hesitant but pleasantly surprised how well the OS runs on my aging rig (6 year old intel i7 920 w/ 6 gig ram and a 7200 rpm drive). I have been really happy with the upgrade to this point, especially the XBOX One integration and streaming feature
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Been on 10 at home for about 2 weeks with no real issues...all my Hyper-V test stuff works like a charm without missing a beat...Adobe Creative Suite running fine as well. Haven't done a ton of hobby development recently though, so it's not like I'm exactly putting the machine through the paces.
I did have to fiddle with Nvidia drivers post-install though, but that just involved grabbing the latest WHQL drivers.
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How do you get rid of the Win 10 Icon on my taskbar?
I'm fine with Windows 7 Home Premium
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How do you get rid of the Win 10 Icon on my taskbar?
I'm fine with Windows 7 Home Premium
You need to uninstall the Windows Update that adds it. Just google it.
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Well if I did that, Windows might end up updating it with other updates for my PC
So forget what I said
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Grrrrrrrr. So here's my latest Windows 10 fun: I can't get my 10" tablet's speakers to work properly, a 3.5mm headphone plug must be plugged in for them to activate, so when you pull your headphone cable out, the native speakers turn off; it essentially has reversed normal behavior in controlling the combo headphone/mic jack... Cannot fix this with neither old nor new drivers and I didn't have the problem before I did another clean install of Win 10 again... :/
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Grrrrrrrr. So here's my latest Windows 10 fun: I can't get my 10" tablet's speakers to work properly, a 3.5mm headphone plug must be plugged in for them to activate, so when you pull your headphone cable out, the native speakers turn off; it essentially has reversed normal behavior in controlling the combo headphone/mic jack... Cannot fix this with neither old nor new drivers and I didn't have the problem before I did another clean install of Win 10 again... :/
Damn.
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Grrrrrrrr. So here's my latest Windows 10 fun: I can't get my 10" tablet's speakers to work properly, a 3.5mm headphone plug must be plugged in for them to activate, so when you pull your headphone cable out, the native speakers turn off; it essentially has reversed normal behavior in controlling the combo headphone/mic jack... Cannot fix this with neither old nor new drivers and I didn't have the problem before I did another clean install of Win 10 again... :/
Had a similar issue with my work pc and the headphone jack. It would max out the speakers if I unplugged them and had to turn it down. Also, usb connections would drop off unless I turned off the stupid power settings in the usb hub in device management.. Overall, I still like it better than 8.1 due to the rstat tools and native hyper v capability.
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My screensaver stopped working at random, seems to be a thing and no fix in sight as of yet, what a weird thing to stop working...
Otherwise it's Windows, awe fast upon install and then it slowly slogs, and I keep a lean system, pretty free of too many unneeded programs always keep registry clean and whatnot, just Windows being Windows...
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I love it. Everything I do works well with it. I was worried there would be some things that wouldn't work quite right since I have a lot of programs to do my work. Even my virtualization stuff in VMWare is working. Edge is a crappy browser though. No one will use it anyways so it's not really worth mentioning.
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I guess I've been lucky so far and havent had any issues really. One program broke on me upgrading from 7 to 10 and that was sony vegas. I havent tried uninstalling and reinstalling it yet but that may fix it.
Only thing I kind of miss is the aero look from vista/7. I like the rounded transparent window corners etc. Windows 10 is kind of industrial looking. Reminds me of Windows 2k or NT. I also dont care much for the way the all apps list organizes / looks. Icons are too big and spaced out. I like the more concise list style of windows 7.
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I had problems with my PC chugging whenever I'd switch between open programs, but I just updated my video card drivers and it's been fine since.
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YES, Dell confirmed that they tested the Win10 upgrade for my Vostro 3360 and thus officially support it.
I made a backup of my harddrive and then the Upgrade last weekend from Win7 Pro 64 bit to Win10 Pro 64 bit.
Everything went allright. The upgrade downloaded and installed the majority of important drivers from Dell automatically. Windows 10 works fine now.
The only thing missing during the upgrade was the newest chipset driver, which prevented further Windows updates from being installed. So I went to the Dell support website using Microsoft Edge browser, ran an automatic driver check (using my Dell service tag) and was prompted to install the chipset drivers.
Windows updates are now working fine, too.
I like Windows 10, since it co-operates well with my Lumia 620 smartphone, e.g. calendar sync and other things.
One fear I had about Win 10 was that it could make my laptop slow down. But fortunately, it runs the same or even better than Win 7.
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My desktop has 10 installed and on a high performance SSD connected to SATA 6G. When it does regular shut down and power up, it only takes a few seconds. The BIOS screen takes longer than Windows takes to boot.
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One add on you guys might consider is a program called Classic Shell. It replaces the start menu with a more windows 7 like menu. Its all windows 10 needed for me to like it.
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Thanks for mentioning.
To be honest, to me personally the Win10 start menu is fine as it is. But then, I'm already accustomed to tiles since I got my Lumia in 2012.
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Update on my Win10 experience: I've had trouble with the upgrades for my tablets, but the new 1511 ISO/release restored VLC media player to full speed and no more buggy choking on MP4 movies (just as it worked when the device was running 8.1) on my Microcenter WinBook 7.1", so hooray, it works like before... Because these 7" models are 16GB, it's impossible to upgrade with such little space so you need to wipe the drive (preferably), create a bootable USB memory stick and do a clean install.
I also ran into the reverse operation bug of the headphone jack where the internal speakers only work when a 3.5mm plug from a pair of headphones is plugged in, but I solved that by uninstalling every audio related driver in Device Manager and letting it reinstall the drivers again... This method did not work with my bigger 10.1" 32GB tablet on the older Win10 build, so I'll have to try it again after doing a clean install with the new 1511 update/release.
Conclusion: If you're already using Windows 10 and it's asking to update to with this 1511 labeled release, do it.
* A Windows 7 add-on does sound good. Am getting used to the current style, but could try that some time.
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Update on my Win10 experience: I've had trouble with the upgrades for my tablets, but the new 1511 ISO/release restored VLC media player to full speed and no more buggy choking on MP4 movies (just as it worked when the device was running 8.1) on my Microcenter WinBook 7.1", so hooray, it works like before... Because these 7" models are 16GB, it's impossible to upgrade with such little space so you need to wipe the drive (preferably), create a bootable USB memory stick and do a clean install.
I also ran into the reverse operation bug of the headphone jack where the internal speakers only work when a 3.5mm plug from a pair of headphones is plugged in, but I solved that by uninstalling every audio related driver in Device Manager and letting it reinstall the drivers again... This method did not work with my bigger 10.1" 32GB tablet on the older Win10 build, so I'll have to try it again after doing a clean install with the new 1511 update/release.
Conclusion: If you're already using Windows 10 and it's asking to update to with this 1511 labeled release, do it.
* A Windows 7 add-on does sound good. Am getting used to the current style, but could try that some time.
Yeah my buddy at work had a similar issue with his desktop and headphone jack issues. Installed the update and blamo fixed it. Fixed my wireless trackball too. Overall, I'm still with 7 over on my home pcs as I still haven't found a compelling reason to upgrade yet..
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I had VLC stuttering issues as well that seem to be fixed, super happy about that! :D The two other issues I have that seem to be Win10 specific are WiFi dropping and my Surface waking itself up after being put to sleep. The WiFi dropping can be fixed by disabling, then re-enabling the wireless adapter. This is a pain, but fortunately I don't see it much. The sleep issue apparently can be solved by selecting all your input devices in device manager and disallowing them from waking up the machine. This works, but honestly I'd like for my keyboard and mouse to wake up my machine!
Overall, I remain pleased with the upgrade. My ancient Atom netbook and crappy i3 desktop both work way better than they did on Windows 7 and the touch controls on my Surface still work well. Some of the default apps I like quite a bit. I use the calendar, mail and weather apps probably daily. I haven't messed with Xbone streaming, but it is pretty awesome that a micro USB cable will allow you to use your Xbone pad on Windows 10.
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The WiFi dropping can be fixed by disabling, then re-enabling the wireless adapter. This is a pain, but fortunately I don't see it much.
Aha, so that's what's happening, it's OS level bugs causing dropouts! Yeah, I too randomly discovered disabling/reenabling the adapter got me reconnected... See, I thought I was randomly being punished by Windows 10 for my...ahem...BitTorrent usage as that's the only time this happens, when a gigabyte+ download gets going... ;)
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Finally upgraded from 8. It's certainly better than 8 but not as good as 7, I was a fan of 95, XP (Best Ever), and 7. Ten can grow on me I think.