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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG-16/TE/TurboDuo Discussion => Topic started by: escarioth on August 03, 2015, 07:47:09 AM
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i mean.. i love the Turbograx-16 , PCengine and duos..
its a great console and i love showing games to people who dont know a thing about it :)
but when i go against casual fanboys who knows shit....
i'm surely not the only one here that is pissed off.
anything you try to show those kind of fanboys/girls...they ALWAYS bring something up
-bonk looks dumb.. what a huge head, sonic or mario are way better..
-what kind of video game cart is that !? must be looking worst then the nes...
-haha a cd-rom attachement.... sega did one way earlier...they're just trying to copy... (wtf ._. )
-ONE controller... come on ! this console is just a pain
-blazing lazer ? yeah it looks ok but look here i got M.U.S.H.A.... it worth way more and its crazy...
etc. i could go on forever... (and don't worry ...not my friends... no way)
¬_¬ sometime i just want to put a hockey mask and use a huge 2x4 and kill'em all..
any scary stories like this happening to you ?
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Seems like an unusual sort of issue to run into, and not something that would bother me really. Let them live in their ignorance.
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Sounds to me like you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.
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Sounds to me like you're hanging out with the wrong crowd.
^^ This. [-X
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been selling games for 10 years.
so i still have people who come and go to check on games, try them at home etc.
i'm not into business anymore :) (i left)
but still answer many questions if i can....
i always think TG16 went totally under radar around here...
and sometime it's just...i get amazing replies....but some are quite stupid
some even fire me up... and sometime its worse on social apps
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i mean.. i love the Turbograx-16 , PCengine and duos..
its a great console and i love showing games to people who dont know a thing about it :)
but when i go against casual fanboys who knows shit....
i'm surely not the only one here that is pissed off.
anything you try to show those kind of fanboys/girls...they ALWAYS bring something up
-bonk looks dumb.. what a huge head, sonic or mario are way better..
-what kind of video game cart is that !? must be looking worst then the nes...
-haha a cd-rom attachement.... sega did one way earlier...they're just trying to copy... (wtf ._. )
-ONE controller... come on ! this console is just a pain
-blazing lazer ? yeah it looks ok but look here i got M.U.S.H.A.... it worth way more and its crazy...
etc. i could go on forever... (and don't worry ...not my friends... no way)
¬_¬ sometime i just want to put a hockey mask and use a huge 2x4 and kill'em all..
any scary stories like this happening to you ?
I do think it is funny that folks make such a big deal about a single port...get over it!
A much bigger sin, in my eyes, was that standard TG-16 did not offer composite A/V. NES had it, so I felt it was a step backward.
Basically, the mentality I have often encountered, can be encapsulated as follows:
"I only know about _____, and therefore feel uncomfortable/apathetic towards everything else. I am not particularly interested to learn more about ______ because apathy/brain hurts."
Of course, I am guilty of setting parameters for my own interests, too. I tend to focus on 8-/16-bit consoles (and handhelds) almost exclusively, so I am guilty of narrowing my interests, relatively speaking. My brain hurts when I see/hear folks talking about PS3 and beyond (usually, anyway).
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"I only know about _____, and therefore feel uncomfortable/apathetic towards everything else. I am not particularly interested to learn more about ______ because apathy/brain hurts."
I'm now genuinely curious which this forum hates worse.
(1) Turbografx? Looks lame. I don't care to learn about it.
(2) Turbografx? I learned about it yesterday! I want to get ALL THE GAMES! Cardboard boxes too!
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i mean.. i love the Turbograx-16 , PCengine and duos..
its a great console and i love showing games to people who dont know a thing about it :)
but when i go against casual fanboys who knows shit....
i'm surely not the only one here that is pissed off.
anything you try to show those kind of fanboys/girls...they ALWAYS bring something up
-bonk looks dumb.. what a huge head, sonic or mario are way better..
-what kind of video game cart is that !? must be looking worst then the nes...
-haha a cd-rom attachement.... sega did one way earlier...they're just trying to copy... (wtf ._. )
-ONE controller... come on ! this console is just a pain
-blazing lazer ? yeah it looks ok but look here i got M.U.S.H.A.... it worth way more and its crazy...
etc. i could go on forever... (and don't worry ...not my friends... no way)
¬_¬ sometime i just want to put a hockey mask and use a huge 2x4 and kill'em all..
any scary stories like this happening to you ?
I do think it is funny that folks make such a big deal about a single port...get over it!
A much bigger sin, in my eyes, was that standard TG-16 did not offer composite A/V. NES had it, so I felt it was a step backward.
Nowadays, I agree with you, but as a kid, the one controller port was a huge thing, at least where I lived. Having a younger brother, two player games were a necessity, and having to buy another piece of hardware was a big deterrent. Add to the fact that if the hardware doesn't natively support a second controller, then game designers are less likely to want to design multiplayer games because there is less of a market available to play it. And then on the flip side, when I was a kid, the last thing I was thinking about was image quality - I didn't even really know there was a difference. Just getting the system up and running in our room was a success, I had no idea how it worked or what was the best method. Looking back, we used to have all our systems daisy chained through the coaxial input, one RF adapter after another. Amazing we had any picture at all, really!
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"I only know about _____, and therefore feel uncomfortable/apathetic towards everything else. I am not particularly interested to learn more about ______ because apathy/brain hurts."
I'm now genuinely curious which this forum hates worse.
(1) Turbografx? Looks lame. I don't care to learn about it.
(2) Turbografx? I learned about it yesterday! I want to get ALL THE GAMES! Cardboard boxes too!
You forgot option 3: DarkKobold.
Edit: OP, every situation in your post can be easily resolved by telling the other person to f*ck off, with no further explanation given.
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"I only know about _____, and therefore feel uncomfortable/apathetic towards everything else. I am not particularly interested to learn more about ______ because apathy/brain hurts."
I'm now genuinely curious which this forum hates worse.
(1) Turbografx? Looks lame. I don't care to learn about it.
(2) Turbografx? I learned about it yesterday! I want to get ALL THE GAMES! Cardboard boxes too!
The latter. The former are just an annoyance of dealing with ignorance online, but their actions are ultimately beneficial. Less people in the pool trying to snap up Magical Chases, the better prices are for us who just want a function huey. The latter suck out resources from places like here and then when they get bored of their hobby du jour, they inevitably turn to eBay to maximize their losses, because we all know they paid top $ for it by resellers. Or drove up eBay auctions to grab it. Or bought sealed games for god knows what reason. Point being, they're the real bastards.
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Edit: OP, every situation in your post can be easily resolved by telling the other person to f*ck off, with no further explanation given.
haha i like that kind of reply but still..
i'm always trying to find why so much hate over something you don't even know...
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we used to have all our systems daisy chained through the coaxial input, one RF adapter after another.
!! I've done that !!
After about 5 systems chained like that, I started looking for something better...and found out how to composite mod (A/V) a few systems.
Then it was buy a system or two, buy another A/V switch box. I think at one time I had 5 of them hooked together.
Ahhhh, the good old days. :)
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we used to have all our systems daisy chained through the coaxial input, one RF adapter after another.
!! I've done that !!
After about 5 systems chained like that, I started looking for something better...and found out how to composite mod (A/V) a few systems.
Then it was buy a system or two, buy another A/V switch box. I think at one time I had 5 of them hooked together.
Ahhhh, the good old days. :)
I had two s-video 4 switch and 1 component 3 switch. Finally just undid them all. It got to be a bad mess (took down the pictures, otherwise searching for "rat's nest" here would have shown you just how bad it got). The wife could no longer put up with it. Not the only consoles which remains always hooked up are the Saturn and Dreamcast, and that's to preserve their batteries.
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i still plug everything even today. :dance:
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i mean.. i love the Turbograx-16 , PCengine and duos..
its a great console and i love showing games to people who dont know a thing about it :)
but when i go against casual fanboys who knows shit....
i'm surely not the only one here that is pissed off.
anything you try to show those kind of fanboys/girls...they ALWAYS bring something up
-bonk looks dumb.. what a huge head, sonic or mario are way better..
-what kind of video game cart is that !? must be looking worst then the nes...
-haha a cd-rom attachement.... sega did one way earlier...they're just trying to copy... (wtf ._. )
-ONE controller... come on ! this console is just a pain
-blazing lazer ? yeah it looks ok but look here i got M.U.S.H.A.... it worth way more and its crazy...
etc. i could go on forever... (and don't worry ...not my friends... no way)
¬_¬ sometime i just want to put a hockey mask and use a huge 2x4 and kill'em all..
any scary stories like this happening to you ?
I do think it is funny that folks make such a big deal about a single port...get over it!
A much bigger sin, in my eyes, was that standard TG-16 did not offer composite A/V. NES had it, so I felt it was a step backward.
Nowadays, I agree with you, but as a kid, the one controller port was a huge thing, at least where I lived. Having a younger brother, two player games were a necessity, and having to buy another piece of hardware was a big deterrent. Add to the fact that if the hardware doesn't natively support a second controller, then game designers are less likely to want to design multiplayer games because there is less of a market available to play it. And then on the flip side, when I was a kid, the last thing I was thinking about was image quality - I didn't even really know there was a difference. Just getting the system up and running in our room was a success, I had no idea how it worked or what was the best method. Looking back, we used to have all our systems daisy chained through the coaxial input, one RF adapter after another. Amazing we had any picture at all, really!
In an alternate reality it might have resulted in developers avoiding multiplayer games. In this reality the PCE got some of the best multiplayer experiences of the generation and lots of great 5 player games.
Where I lived, a TurboTap + TurboPad equalled roughly the same price as a first party Genesis pad. Either way you weren't playing anything with your Brother straight out of the box and had to spend money to unlock multiplayer.
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I have to disagree with you too este - the 1 controller port was, and arguably even still is - a major fault. NES also had 2 controller ports, TG16 just one, another step backwards.
And in the late 80s and early 90s, most of us had no other way to hook up our consoles except RF. I agree it was also a drawback but only for a very small percentage of gamers back then.
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I have to disagree with you too este - the 1 controller port was, and arguably even still is - a major fault. NES also had 2 controller ports, TG16 just one, another step backwards.
And in the late 80s and early 90s, most of us had no other way to hook up our consoles except RF. I agree it was also a drawback but only for a very small percentage of gamers back then.
RF + AV out should have been supported :)
Yeah, I guess 2 controller ports would have been better for many/most people. :)
I was always going to get the TurboTap to play with brothers/friends, since we would never have settled for 2-player Dungeon Explorer, Bomberman, MotoRoader, etc. Yeah, we played the TV SPORTS games, too...but not too much Basketball.
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I never bought a TG-16, but the single port didn't bother me at all when I bought the Duo back in the day. Besides, if it had two ports from day one, the five player tap likely wouldn't have been as well supported as it was.
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I do remember feeling nickel and dimed to death with the turbo. Having to buy the tap and an extra controller just to play two players sucked. And to get AV and storage you had to buy the booster. It was a bit much. Especially being a kid with no income.
I remember thinking damn this is supposed to be so much better than the NES, but it has two ports, AV out, carts with save storage, and two controllers. WTH!
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I have to disagree with you too este - the 1 controller port was, and arguably even still is - a major fault. NES also had 2 controller ports, TG16 just one, another step backwards.
And in the late 80s and early 90s, most of us had no other way to hook up our consoles except RF. I agree it was also a drawback but only for a very small percentage of gamers back then.
Calling it a "step backwards" is pretty extreme considering the dramatic increase in quality across the board. Also Turbo games were cheaper than NES and Genesis games. So buying a 2-player game + extra pad on NES/Genesis was that much closer to buying a 2-player TurboChip + Pad + Tap.
The TG-16 also launched 4 years later at the same retail price of a base NES. So factoring in inflation, you paid much more for an NES.
Even ingnoring the PCE, look how well the TurboTap was supported in North America. How well proportionately was R.O.B. or the Power Pad or the Four Score supported?
toymachine: if you were a kid with no income, how did you afford a fancy cutting edge TV that supported composite?
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sometime i just want to put a hockey mask and use a huge 2x4 and kill'em all..
Hockey masks get a bad rap :(
(http://hokej.hattrick.cz/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/belfour.jpg)
I think they're easily the sexiest thing in sports. A beautiful marrage of function and style, don't get me started on hockey gear.
About the OP's question, simple solution "obey or gtfo"
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I know precisely 0 people in real life that have knowledge of NEC gaming. That said I had no clue at the time. I used to get video game magazines all the time in the early 90s and I cannot remember reading about it at all. I can recall reading import sections tho. My first experience was via the Wii. Neutopia and drac x. I almost cried at what I'd been missing.
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"I only know about _____, and therefore feel uncomfortable/apathetic towards everything else. I am not particularly interested to learn more about ______ because apathy/brain hurts."
I'm now genuinely curious which this forum hates worse.
(1) Turbografx? Looks lame. I don't care to learn about it.
(2) Turbografx? I learned about it yesterday! I want to get ALL THE GAMES! Cardboard boxes too!
You forgot option 3: DarkKobold.
Meh, 3 out of 10, for effort. Otherwise, too easy.
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I have to disagree with you too este - the 1 controller port was, and arguably even still is - a major fault. NES also had 2 controller ports, TG16 just one, another step backwards.
And in the late 80s and early 90s, most of us had no other way to hook up our consoles except RF. I agree it was also a drawback but only for a very small percentage of gamers back then.
Calling it a "step backwards" is pretty extreme considering the dramatic increase in quality across the board. Also Turbo games were cheaper than NES and Genesis games. So buying a 2-player game + extra pad on NES/Genesis was that much closer to buying a 2-player TurboChip + Pad + Tap.
The TG-16 also launched 4 years later at the same retail price of a base NES. So factoring in inflation, you paid much more for an NES.
Even ingnoring the PCE, look how well the TurboTap was supported in North America. How well proportionately was R.O.B. or the Power Pad or the Four Score supported?
toymachine: if you were a kid with no income, how did you afford a fancy cutting edge TV that supported composite?
Well you better bet my dad was gonna have a nice TV, but he didn't give two f*cks about my gaming lol
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Slightly off topic, but what are the notably good multiplayer games for the TG-16 besides the obvious Bomberman?
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Slightly off topic, but what are the notably good multiplayer games for the TG-16 besides the obvious Bomberman?
IN no particular order besides bomberman and bomberman 93, I like the following Multiplayer games
Military Madness
Dungeon Explorer
Buster Brothers
Parasol Stars
Aero Blasters
CHew Man Fu
HIt the ICe
Takin it to the hoop
fighting street
Bonk 3
And A personal favorite of mine = Battle Royal
Of course this only includes NA releases, there were quite a few release that were japan exclusive that also rank high on my list like kickball.
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I have noticed that people who didn't have a TG16 when they were younger tend to not like it as much.
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It's weird I have a mix. Most of my irl friends like Majors already know that turbo is where it's at. Those friends were the ones that showed me the turbo years ago when I only had an NES, SNES, and Genesis as a kid. (well technically I had an Odyssey 2 and Atari 2600 first, but still)
It was like an awesome treasure trove of untapped awesomeness I'm still discovering. Even with the nostalgia factor for my old systems it seems weird to me that anyone with half a brain would snub the turbo.....
However, most of the people I've run into on gaming forums and social media are younger and they are all Nintendtards that think the N64 is a retro system, and don't really play anything older. Their mentality can be a little tiring.
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I have noticed that people who didn't have a TG16 when they were younger tend to not like it as much.
not 100% of them. but i agree, some of them are just not willing to accept that its a great console dispite some flaws.
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I agree that the single controller port is a legitimate flaw, as is the lack of AV out without the TurboBooster. I mean, even the PC-FX, which is way more focused on solo-gaming, has two ports. Stuff like that is why I see the N64 as a superior multiplayer gaming machine than, say, the PS1. Having those ports built in is really convenient.
I'm totally mystified by people who would take the form of the games as meaning that the games are worse than bulky carts, though. Outside of like Neo Geo, games have, for the most part, only gotten smaller and smaller as they got more technologically advanced. Especially now that they're on cards again, with the DS, 3DS, and Vita, and only getting tinier and tinier, you'd think people would see HuCards as a good thing. And who the hell wants stuff that takes up a ton of room? I love how little space my loose HuCards take up. When I then consider how much space my loose NES carts consume, it's just depressing. At the very least, I wish they were the size of Famicom carts instead of being half empty space for no good reason at all.
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Over at 4chan on /vr/ it's full of people who are just discovering and idolizing the TG-16/PCE. It scares me because I worry about prices going up, games getting more scarce.. I liked it better back in the day when my friends made fun of me for having the "loser" system. It was like being in on a secret, though, especially when Dracula X came out in 93 and everybody was mad jealous.
But yeah, about the controller port thing. I had a tap for the TG-16, but when my console stopped working, I got a duo. Of course they decided to change to mini-din then, so it seemed like all my old accessories just had to be rebought. Since I was a kid, I didn't realize you could get converters, so I think I just got rid of my pads, stick and tap somehow (not the only dumb move I made) and I never did get a duo tap. I do want to get one in the future though but I was pretty content playing 1p games.
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Over at 4chan on /vr/ it's full of people who are just discovering and idolizing the TG-16/PCE. It scares me because I worry about prices going up, games getting more scarce.. I liked it better back in the day when my friends made fun of me for having the "loser" system. It was like being in on a secret, though, especially when Dracula X came out in 93 and everybody was mad jealous.
But yeah, about the controller port thing. I had a tap for the TG-16, but when my console stopped working, I got a duo. Of course they decided to change to mini-din then, so it seemed like all my old accessories just had to be rebought. Since I was a kid, I didn't realize you could get converters, so I think I just got rid of my pads, stick and tap somehow (not the only dumb move I made) and I never did get a duo tap. I do want to get one in the future though but I was pretty content playing 1p games.
I thought I remember reading there was a problem just using a straight up converter cable with multitaps. Is that right? Like, you can convert a cable from normal to mini in each individual port of the tap, but if you try to just put the converter before the tap (so you just have to use one converter compared to 5 if you were converting each individual controller on the tap) then there are registry issues. I thought I saw a thread here that addressed that recently. It's something I think about considering I'd like to move to a Duo setup sometime in the future.
Maybe a better question, too, is why the hell the TG-16 changed up the port compared to the PC Engine in the first place?
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Over at 4chan on /vr/ it's full of people who are just discovering and idolizing the TG-16/PCE. It scares me because I worry about prices going up, games getting more scarce.. I liked it better back in the day when my friends made fun of me for having the "loser" system. It was like being in on a secret, though, especially when Dracula X came out in 93 and everybody was mad jealous.
But yeah, about the controller port thing. I had a tap for the TG-16, but when my console stopped working, I got a duo. Of course they decided to change to mini-din then, so it seemed like all my old accessories just had to be rebought. Since I was a kid, I didn't realize you could get converters, so I think I just got rid of my pads, stick and tap somehow (not the only dumb move I made) and I never did get a duo tap. I do want to get one in the future though but I was pretty content playing 1p games.
I thought I remember reading there was a problem just using a straight up converter cable with multitaps. Is that right? Like, you can convert a cable from normal to mini in each individual port of the tap, but if you try to just put the converter before the tap (so you just have to use one converter compared to 5 if you were converting each individual controller on the tap) then there are registry issues. I thought I saw a thread here that addressed that recently. It's something I think about considering I'd like to move to a Duo setup sometime in the future.
Maybe a better question, too, is why the hell the TG-16 changed up the port compared to the PC Engine in the first place?
That's probably true, I was just guessing you could use them with an adapter. They should have stuck with one kind (size) of port or the other though. Well, I hope it's not too hard to hunt down a Duotap when I'm ready. Not sure what imagine playing on it, my friends aren't into older games as much as I am, and one of them has told me he outright hates bomberman. Some Dungeon Explorer is definitely on my list though, especially if I can get the infamous DE2 one of these days.
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Maybe a better question, too, is why the hell the TG-16 changed up the port compared to the PC Engine in the first place?
Good question.
I think it is like the silly region-restrictions on software/media/DVD:
To ensure hardware sales of NA peripherals, small changes (mini-DIN to DIN) so second-hand/discounted/3rd party/cloned PCE stuff isn't sold by enterprising entrepreneurs in NA.
So, $$$$.
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Maybe a better question, too, is why the hell the TG-16 changed up the port compared to the PC Engine in the first place?
Good question.
I think it is like the silly region-restrictions on software/media/DVD:
To ensure hardware sales of NA peripherals, small changes (mini-DIN to DIN) so second-hand/discounted/3rd party/cloned PCE stuff isn't sold by enterprising entrepreneurs in NA.
So, $$$$.
And its just stoopid what people are asking for (what should be) $10 turbo sticks.
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hmm.. just to be sure i bough a PCE duo-R fully modded scart+regions from Doujindance.
its my second Baby :3 huhu
the white colors suit it well :)
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I agree that the single controller port is a legitimate flaw, as is the lack of AV out without the TurboBooster. I mean, even the PC-FX, which is way more focused on solo-gaming, has two ports. Stuff like that is why I see the N64 as a superior multiplayer gaming machine than, say, the PS1. Having those ports built in is really convenient.
I'm totally mystified by people who would take the form of the games as meaning that the games are worse than bulky carts, though. Outside of like Neo Geo, games have, for the most part, only gotten smaller and smaller as they got more technologically advanced. Especially now that they're on cards again, with the DS, 3DS, and Vita, and only getting tinier and tinier, you'd think people would see HuCards as a good thing. And who the hell wants stuff that takes up a ton of room? I love how little space my loose HuCards take up. When I then consider how much space my loose NES carts consume, it's just depressing. At the very least, I wish they were the size of Famicom carts instead of being half empty space for no good reason at all.
I agree, I love the small form factor of hucards. CD cases are a nice perfect size for them too, even better than the DVD sized cases for the Sega Cards.