Are the repro sapphires really selling for that much? I figured I had tanked the market tossing out some 400 discs a few years ago... crazy.
3 years ago when I posted that I was looking for one, I had one user respond - he asked for Dracula X in trade...
Apparently even the boots are being held onto with tight fists at this point...
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on August 23, 2015, 01:52:34 AM
Yeah seems that way. I think Keith is sending me one or something. If he forgets I am not going to sweat it at this point. I did not realize there was an actual demand for the thing.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: geise on August 23, 2015, 02:12:12 PM
Are the repro sapphires really selling for that much? I figured I had tanked the market tossing out some 400 discs a few years ago... crazy.
You forget, people are stupid.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Bardoly on August 23, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
It's an awesome game that, even with the repros which have been made, is still not very common. I'm sure that there are far fewer copies 'out there' than there are Duo's, and with the retro video game scene getting more crowded by the day as new folks 'discover' this great system, more and more copies of this game will be desired. I wouldn't think that the 'complete' Tobias repros would be that expensive this soon though. I mean, he was still selling them for around $40-50 a year or 2 ago wasn't he?
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Dicer on August 23, 2015, 05:08:02 PM
I'm all for owning originals, but paying this much for a reproduction....ummm er fake, never in my lifetime would that happen.
In the case of this game, it's not even near the best shooters on the system, and kinda meh outside the polys and crap, your money is spent better elsewhere. IMHO of course.
Find it via "other" methods and play some other classics.
Just my .02 on the matter.
No one should be feeding the Tobias machine.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: ClodBuster on August 23, 2015, 05:42:10 PM
I wonder how many Sapphire owners actually own an Arcade card as well - either they play the game or they're just staring at it on the shelf.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Black Tiger on August 23, 2015, 05:59:54 PM
When the bootlegs were confirmed, the original dropped down to $200. Now collectards are treating the bootleg as a rare collectible. #-o
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: geise on August 24, 2015, 12:16:18 AM
I wonder how many Sapphire owners actually own an Arcade card as well - either they play the game or they're just staring at it on the shelf.
I play it. I don't own any other hardware card except the Arcade Duo, though so far just for Sapphire.
I got my bootleg copy for free. They're not entirely worthless, as they're pressed, but paying $175 for one? That's unfathomable.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: wilykat on August 26, 2015, 10:50:39 AM
How crappy a fake disc does anyone need? For a couple dollars shipped, I can make CD-R of Sapphire that works fine in my Duo-R. Older Duo and CD system may need laser adjustment to read CD-R
TBH CD-R isn't good for Duo-R either :/
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Black Tiger on August 26, 2015, 12:49:29 PM
How crappy a fake disc does anyone need? For a couple dollars shipped, I can make CD-R of Sapphire that works fine in my Duo-R. Older Duo and CD system may need laser adjustment to read CD-R
TBH CD-R isn't good for Duo-R either :/
TBH neither are factory pressed discs or not running your PCE CD-ROM at all.
All that really matters is investment returns playing games.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: savageone on August 26, 2015, 10:15:37 PM
lol love you guys but give a me a break will ya?
man i really regret not getting a real copy when it was around $100 sigh... i *wish* this post was meant to troll. lol
look at the asking prices (note asking) for a real copy i cant afford that. i just want to play the game without missing a car payment.
sure i could make a cdr but i guess i just want to go a step higher... soooo im gonna go for the fake one. and yeah i want the fake obi that came with it. if im gonna have to pay a decent chunk of change i might as well make sure i get the whole fake package. ive always heard its well made if anything.
and it looks like its not uncommon to own the fake here. strange how no one is like "oh god ive been waiting sooo long for someone anyone willing to take this piece of fake crap" though ya know? jaja
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on August 27, 2015, 03:13:54 AM
man i really regret not getting a real copy when it was around $100 sigh... i *wish* this post was meant to troll. lol
look at the asking prices (note asking) for a real copy i cant afford that. i just want to play the game without missing a car payment.
sure i could make a cdr but i guess i just want to go a step higher... soooo im gonna go for the fake one. and yeah i want the fake obi that came with it. if im gonna have to pay a decent chunk of change i might as well make sure i get the whole fake package. ive always heard its well made if anything.
and it looks like its not uncommon to own the fake here. strange how no one is like "oh god ive been waiting sooo long for someone anyone willing to take this piece of fake crap" though ya know? jaja
Comrade.
...
That is all.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Black Tiger on August 27, 2015, 04:54:07 AM
man i really regret not getting a real copy when it was around $100 sigh... i *wish* this post was meant to troll. lol
look at the asking prices (note asking) for a real copy i cant afford that. i just want to play the game without missing a car payment.
sure i could make a cdr but i guess i just want to go a step higher... soooo im gonna go for the fake one. and yeah i want the fake obi that came with it. if im gonna have to pay a decent chunk of change i might as well make sure i get the whole fake package. ive always heard its well made if anything.
and it looks like its not uncommon to own the fake here. strange how no one is like "oh god ive been waiting sooo long for someone anyone willing to take this piece of fake crap" though ya know? jaja
I bought both fake versions to document the differences and make guide to tell the fakes from the real deal. I'm not interested in releasing them to people who will flip them for the kind of money you are willing to pay.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Necromancer on August 27, 2015, 05:01:31 AM
and it looks like its not uncommon to own the fake here.
True, but an awful lot of members have just a loose disc from BMW (some with Sparky's inserts); the full boat version that you insist on having is much less common.
Title: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: VenomMacbeth on August 27, 2015, 05:31:14 AM
I would hold out for a loosie, get my post count up & get some Sparky inserts. It'll look just as good and you're far more likely to find someone willing to part with the disc.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: savageone on August 27, 2015, 09:12:51 PM
when i bought my arcade card it was primarily for the impressive snk ports, strider of course, and sapphire.
unfortunately i slowly acquired the other games first and the price for sapphire went bonkers...
i suppose i am offering a high price for the fake. ive been mostly lurking on various forums (ng, dp, pcfx, sega16, nesworld, dlord, other places long since shut down, etc etc) for over 15 years now, i dont think anyone is gonna jump to give someone who is not well known a great deal or anything so thats why im offering that much. im not really trying to be supportive of the constant jacking that has plagued many communities for the last 7-10 years per se, it is just what i feel a little old lurker like me is probably gonna have to pay. if i create an ad i want to give myself a good chance of actually getting what i want. i guess that is the price of preferring to read and not getting too involved in the drama :cry:
any ways i am not familiar with a sapphire disc made by bmw? is it a cdr? ill definitely try to search and see what i find on that so I can see if that would suit me.
this is carrying on though isnt it... if anyone wants to give a fair deal im all for that O:) maybe someone will see this and understand where i stand and toss me the fake at a good price, who knows?
Title: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on August 28, 2015, 12:50:24 AM
when i bought my arcade card it was primarily for the impressive snk ports, strider of course, and sapphire.
unfortunately i slowly acquired the other games first and the price for sapphire went bonkers...
i suppose i am offering a high price for the fake. ive been mostly lurking on various forums (ng, dp, pcfx, sega16, nesworld, dlord, other places long since shut down, etc etc) for over 15 years now, i dont think anyone is gonna jump to give someone who is not well known a great deal or anything so thats why im offering that much. im not really trying to be supportive of the constant jacking that has plagued many communities for the last 7-10 years per se, it is just what i feel a little old lurker like me is probably gonna have to pay. if i create an ad i want to give myself a good chance of actually getting what i want. i guess that is the price of preferring to read and not getting too involved in the drama :cry:
any ways i am not familiar with a sapphire disc made by bmw? is it a cdr? ill definitely try to search and see what i find on that so I can see if that would suit me.
this is carrying on though isnt it... if anyone wants to give a fair deal im all for that O:) maybe someone will see this and understand where i stand and toss me the fake at a good price, who knows?
I think that, unfortunately, you are in a no-win situation.
Or, perhaps, it can be improved, but currently you have managed to annoy everyone.
I don't intend to make you feel bad, but if you think about it, there were much safer ways for you to: (1) remind us who you are (2) show us that you can participate in discussions (3) read some of the recent threads so you don't KICK A HORNET'S NEST by posting a "WTB bootleg Sapphire" after a hiatus of ___years. :) (4) Who are you?
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Necromancer on August 28, 2015, 03:20:09 AM
any ways i am not familiar with a sapphire disc made by bmw? is it a cdr? ill definitely try to search and see what i find on that so I can see if that would suit me.
They were made by Tobias and are real pressed discs; the labels are a bit off, but they're functionally identical to his complete versions.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: BlueBMW on August 28, 2015, 05:33:58 AM
Story behind the discs I handed out (two three years ago now?)
Tobias was selling the bootlegs on his site. This was before all the new drama (but after the sapphire drama) I had emailed him asking about maybe doing a group buy deal on the sapphire bootlegs since there was a lot of interest in the game and people wanted to get it. He came back with an offer to sell me his extra loose discs that had misprinted labels. I bought 500 discs from him for I think $242 shipped if I remember right. They were loose pressed discs wrapped in plastic. (I've got a pic somewhere) They had incorrect coloring on the label as they were kind of a purple and cyan instead of a black / blue or whatever. But they worked in original hardware just fine. As such I gave them away to whoever wanted them. I traded one sealed spindle of 100 discs to a friend who was into wierd historical game stuff like that.
So there should be 300 - 400 loose copies floating around these forums somewhere hehe
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: GohanX on August 28, 2015, 03:39:31 PM
I'm still going to give you a big sloppy kiss for that someday. In the most heterosexual way possible, of course.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: savageone on August 28, 2015, 10:08:10 PM
I think that, unfortunately, you are in a no-win situation.
Or, perhaps, it can be improved, but currently you have managed to annoy everyone.
I don't intend to make you feel bad, but if you think about it, there were much safer ways for you to: (1) remind us who you are (2) show us that you can participate in discussions (3) read some of the recent threads so you don't KICK A HORNET'S NEST by posting a "WTB bootleg Sapphire" after a hiatus of ___years. :) (4) Who are you?
well i did not think i was being annoying or anything, im gonna assume it is probably just my writing style coming off the wrong way if that is the case. i tend to write too damn much which probably makes it worse. lol i thought i was doing a fair job explaining anything that was questioned. the thread seems more calm now to me. i really hope that is not because i annoyed everyone away. lol
you did hit the nail on the head that while ive been around a long time im totally out of the loop for the recent years. there is actually a reason for this though, its one of those great medical things that like to kick you in the ass when you least expect. i doubt anyone here cares to hear my boohoo story though, it has made it soooo extremely difficult to keep up with the daily news let alone the current state of opinion on fake sapphire over at pcfx.
i thought it was okay to want to buy this game even if it has some drama surrounding it, its a bit unfair to be grilled over simply wanting to buy a game in my opinion, but ive tried to explain anything that was questioned without stepping on toes. if i rubbed anyone the wrong way when trying to explain why i want this game and such then i truly do apologize. that was not my intention what so ever.
ive never had any problems with trying to buy a game through any forum, really unexpected. :-s
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on August 29, 2015, 03:31:07 AM
I think that, unfortunately, you are in a no-win situation.
Or, perhaps, it can be improved, but currently you have managed to annoy everyone.
I don't intend to make you feel bad, but if you think about it, there were much safer ways for you to: (1) remind us who you are (2) show us that you can participate in discussions (3) read some of the recent threads so you don't KICK A HORNET'S NEST by posting a "WTB bootleg Sapphire" after a hiatus of ___years. :) (4) Who are you?
well i did not think i was being annoying or anything, im gonna assume it is probably just my writing style coming off the wrong way if that is the case. i tend to write too damn much which probably makes it worse. lol i thought i was doing a fair job explaining anything that was questioned. the thread seems more calm now to me. i really hope that is not because i annoyed everyone away. lol
you did hit the nail on the head that while ive been around a long time im totally out of the loop for the recent years. there is actually a reason for this though, its one of those great medical things that like to kick you in the ass when you least expect. i doubt anyone here cares to hear my boohoo story though, it has made it soooo extremely difficult to keep up with the daily news let alone the current state of opinion on fake sapphire over at pcfx.
i thought it was okay to want to buy this game even if it has some drama surrounding it, its a bit unfair to be grilled over simply wanting to buy a game in my opinion, but ive tried to explain anything that was questioned without stepping on toes. if i rubbed anyone the wrong way when trying to explain why i want this game and such then i truly do apologize. that was not my intention what so ever.
ive never had any problems with trying to buy a game through any forum, really unexpected. :-s
Comrade, don't worry about the past. I have gone MIA for 6 months to years at a time.
Nobody is offended if you go MIA for 8 years.
The key thing is to rebuild relationship with current members.
I bet 95% of the folks who were in your "cohort" have disappeared a long, long time ago :)
Also, if you didn't know (but you should know), so-called "reproductions" (bootlegs) have been a particularly heated topic lately.
I thought you might be trolling, in fact, because we had been discussing the Sapphire bootleg in particular, and the interesting gentleman behind the bootleg (Tobias)...
Don't worry, you will be fine.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: LMS on August 30, 2015, 11:02:20 AM
I'm pretty sure I have a couple of spare BlueBMW misprints. I'll have to climb up into a crawl space to double check but assuming they're still there, I'm more than happy to pass them on for the price of shipping if folks are in need. I'm UK based.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Lost Monkey on August 30, 2015, 02:35:39 PM
I'm pretty sure I have a couple of spare BlueBMW misprints. I'll have to climb up into a crawl space to double check but assuming they're still there, I'm more than happy to pass them on for the price of shipping if folks are in need. I'm UK based.
Please keep me in mind.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: jtucci31 on August 30, 2015, 03:21:48 PM
I'm pretty sure I have a couple of spare BlueBMW misprints. I'll have to climb up into a crawl space to double check but assuming they're still there, I'm more than happy to pass them on for the price of shipping if folks are in need. I'm UK based.
Me too :)
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: savageone on August 30, 2015, 08:29:12 PM
I'm pretty sure I have a couple of spare BlueBMW misprints. I'll have to climb up into a crawl space to double check but assuming they're still there, I'm more than happy to pass them on for the price of shipping if folks are in need. I'm UK based.
It is definitely of interest to me. If I'd known it existed before starting this thread I'd just as well tried seeking it out.
Definitely let me know what you find, it'd be a great help.
Regards
Small hoard of bmw discs in some mysterious crawl space. hah funny thought
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on August 31, 2015, 01:02:33 AM
UPDATE: Just a quick update. LMS wanted me to to you that the crawl space is jam-packed with canned foods, water-purification kits, first aid supplies, and duct tape. He knows the discs are somewhere, but he hasn't found the crate yet.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: savageone on August 31, 2015, 10:34:21 PM
lol It's every Sapphire lovers ideal apocalypse hoard
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: LMS on September 01, 2015, 07:29:49 AM
I have traversed the crawl space... shuffling my way past the canned foods and first aid supplies, beyond the vintage taxidermy and just around the corner from the many boxes filled with covert surveillance photography of estaban, taken with my telephoto lens over the years. On completion of this truly epic voyage I was rewarded with sadly only TWO spare copies of the fabled 'Bootleg Ginga Fukei' (see attachment).
Like I said before, I'm happy to pass them on. Blue Beemer originally sent me a few extra's to pass on to some old friends from back in the day but as it turned out only one of them was interested. If you're unfamiliar with these, there's no case or manual or anything, just the misprinted glass mastered (silver) discs as can be seen in the attachment (yeah that's my massive middle digit, and yes of course you are most welcome).
The issue now is who to pass them on too. I'll give it a day or two for anyone else to register their interest below while I settle on a suitable strategy for selection. Currently I'm thinking maybe I'll go to a local cafe and start slapping stickers with individual user names onto the foreheads of random customers. The two 'participants' of this exercise that protest the violation of their personal space most prefusely will be awarded with a stern response of "Bootleg Ginga Fukei" shouted directly into their face. The forum member who's username graces their forehead during this exchange will in turn be awarded one of the two discs. If in the meantime anyone else wishes to contribute alternative ideas for a selection process then please do chime in and let me know, I'm certainly open to suggestions. However, those that involve shouting at strangers are likely to be considered somewhat more favourably.
Many thanks and warm regards.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Otaking on September 01, 2015, 07:52:55 AM
Middle finger made me do a lol
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Gredler on September 01, 2015, 07:53:06 AM
while I settle on a suitable strategy for selection.
It's obviously going require a real life bomberman setup, kinda like that bud light commercial (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9A1NowrnGI ) real life pacman setup. Except unlike the fake ghosts in that commercial, these bombs will be real, and the consequences will also be very real. I will not be participating, wish the best to the competitors, and am off to go post in the thread about the best CD-R's to buy.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on September 01, 2015, 08:09:21 AM
I have traversed the crawl space... shuffling my way past the canned foods and first aid supplies, beyond the vintage taxidermy and just around the corner from the many boxes filled with covert surveillance photography of estaban, taken with my telephoto lens over the years. On completion of this truly epic voyage I was rewarded with sadly only TWO spare copies of the fabled 'Bootleg Ginga Fukei' (see attachment).
Like I said before, I'm happy to pass them on. Blue Beemer originally sent me a few extra's to pass on to some old friends from back in the day but as it turned out only one of them was interested. If you're unfamiliar with these, there's no case or manual or anything, just the misprinted glass mastered (silver) discs as can be seen in the attachment (yeah that's my massive middle digit, and yes of course you are most welcome).
The issue now is who to pass them on too. I'll give it a day or two for anyone else to register their interest below while I settle on a suitable strategy for selection. Currently I'm thinking maybe I'll go to a local cafe and start slapping stickers with individual user names onto the foreheads of random customers. The two 'participants' of this exercise that protest the violation of their personal space most prefusely will be awarded with a stern response of "Bootleg Ginga Fukei" shouted directly into their face. The forum member who's username graces their forehead during this exchange will in turn be awarded one of the two discs. If in the meantime anyone else wishes to contribute alternative ideas for a selection process then please do chime in and let me know, I'm certainly open to suggestions. However, those that involve shouting at strangers are likely to be considered somewhat more favourably.
Many thanks and warm regards.
:)
I bet there are folks who skip over this thread...if they even knew how generous you were being...is a raffle a nice way to determine the lucky winner?
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Sarumaru on September 01, 2015, 08:38:42 AM
I have traversed the crawl space... shuffling my way past the canned foods and first aid supplies, beyond the vintage taxidermy and just around the corner from the many boxes filled with covert surveillance photography of estaban, taken with my telephoto lens over the years. On completion of this truly epic voyage I was rewarded with sadly only TWO spare copies of the fabled 'Bootleg Ginga Fukei' (see attachment).
Like I said before, I'm happy to pass them on. Blue Beemer originally sent me a few extra's to pass on to some old friends from back in the day but as it turned out only one of them was interested. If you're unfamiliar with these, there's no case or manual or anything, just the misprinted glass mastered (silver) discs as can be seen in the attachment (yeah that's my massive middle digit, and yes of course you are most welcome).
The issue now is who to pass them on too. I'll give it a day or two for anyone else to register their interest below while I settle on a suitable strategy for selection. Currently I'm thinking maybe I'll go to a local cafe and start slapping stickers with individual user names onto the foreheads of random customers. The two 'participants' of this exercise that protest the violation of their personal space most prefusely will be awarded with a stern response of "Bootleg Ginga Fukei" shouted directly into their face. The forum member who's username graces their forehead during this exchange will in turn be awarded one of the two discs. If in the meantime anyone else wishes to contribute alternative ideas for a selection process then please do chime in and let me know, I'm certainly open to suggestions. However, those that involve shouting at strangers are likely to be considered somewhat more favourably.
Many thanks and warm regards.
:)
I bet there are folks who skip over this thread...if they even knew how generous you were being...is a raffle a nice way to determine the lucky winner?
(http://m.memegen.com/hd07x3.jpg)
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: MrBroadway on September 01, 2015, 08:51:47 AM
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Dicer on September 02, 2015, 12:20:58 AM
I'll put this in the shoddiest slapcrap case if I am graced with one, just to keep it all interesting...
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: reno5 on September 02, 2015, 07:43:35 AM
I have a copy with Sparky's label. Looks great ! Got mine from a raffle and i thins this is how you should give yours
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 02, 2015, 09:18:51 AM
I have two or three of these (loose BWM copies). The thing is, as much as this makes me sound like a total prick, I think I'll keep ahold of them for a while longer. I'm %90 certain that anyone who I give them too will just flip them. Almost none of the new members we get here are "lifers". They usually didn't know the PCE existed two years ago and then dump their collections quickly. Even if the guy I give mine too gives it away for free when he dumps his collection, the next guy to own it is likely to flip it. If not him, the next guy. Someone will do it.
So if you're still here in eight years I'll send you one. Hopefully you won't need it by then. Hopefully someone will make a flash card that runs CDROM2 isos right off a memory card and all those Capital One cards dry up and the game market totally crashes.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on September 02, 2015, 09:38:02 AM
I have two or three of these (loose BWM copies). The thing is, as much as this makes me sound like a total prick, I think I'll keep ahold of them for a while longer. I'm %90 certain that anyone who I give them too will just flip them. Almost none of the new members we get here are "lifers". They usually didn't know the PCE existed two years ago and then dump their collections quickly. Even if the guy I give mine too gives it away for free when he dumps his collection, the next guy to own it is likely to flip it. If not him, the next guy. Someone will do it.
So if you're still here in eight years I'll send you one. Hopefully you won't need it by then. Hopefully someone will make a flash card that runs CDROM2 isos right off a memory card and all those Capital One cards dry up and the game market totally crashes.
I agree with you.
I know it sounds horrible, but we have seen so many folks treat PCE/TG-16 as a fad.
We have also seen folks who are selfish bastards and just want to make $$$$.
I actually am less offended by some goofball who is temporarily obsessed with PCE (the newly faithful, who then lose their faith) than the calculated machinations of a flipper.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: johnnykonami on September 02, 2015, 09:54:09 AM
Sucks to be stuck in the middle of all the flippers. I am just wanting to re-build my childhood collection and get a few other games to boot, prices anywhere but here are atrocious. And I'm talking about some common ass games, too. But as you know, if you check over at fleabay, people are trying to pawn of some of the shittiest games on the system as rare collectables. Sapphire isn't on my hit list per say, I remember it going for hundreds of dollars even back in the old turbo mailing list & newsgroup trading days. Always wanted to try it though, and I think the magic of emulation might assist me with that long before I acquire a copy with all the necessary hardware.
Kicking myself for not having a job during that period where nobody (the general public) gave a shit about collecting old games and they were going for cheap and even free in some cases. I had a friend who worked at funcoland and personally made out like a bandit on all the systems the store wouldn't buy as a policy - he picked up under the table.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Lost Monkey on September 02, 2015, 11:00:52 AM
I have two or three of these (loose BWM copies). The thing is, as much as this makes me sound like a total prick, I think I'll keep ahold of them for a while longer. I'm %90 certain that anyone who I give them too will just flip them. Almost none of the new members we get here are "lifers". They usually didn't know the PCE existed two years ago and then dump their collections quickly. Even if the guy I give mine too gives it away for free when he dumps his collection, the next guy to own it is likely to flip it. If not him, the next guy. Someone will do it.
So if you're still here in eight years I'll send you one. Hopefully you won't need it by then. Hopefully someone will make a flash card that runs CDROM2 isos right off a memory card and all those Capital One cards dry up and the game market totally crashes.
I agree with you.
I know it sounds horrible, but we have seen so many folks treat PCE/TG-16 as a fad.
We have also seen folks who are selfish bastards and just want to make $$$$.
I actually am less offended by some goofball who is temporarily obsessed with PCE (the newly faithful, who then lose their faith) than the calculated machinations of a flipper.
Whatever. Goofball Newbie or Flipper. Thanks...
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Opethian on September 02, 2015, 02:02:47 PM
you'll thank me later on all the heartache and money you would have wasted trying to attain your dreams
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: Black Tiger on September 02, 2015, 03:27:56 PM
I have two or three of these (loose BWM copies). The thing is, as much as this makes me sound like a total prick, I think I'll keep ahold of them for a while longer. I'm %90 certain that anyone who I give them too will just flip them. Almost none of the new members we get here are "lifers". They usually didn't know the PCE existed two years ago and then dump their collections quickly. Even if the guy I give mine too gives it away for free when he dumps his collection, the next guy to own it is likely to flip it. If not him, the next guy. Someone will do it.
So if you're still here in eight years I'll send you one. Hopefully you won't need it by then. Hopefully someone will make a flash card that runs CDROM2 isos right off a memory card and all those Capital One cards dry up and the game market totally crashes.
Especially if some is asking to pay over $100 for a bootleg and insists on a spine. How likely are they to never flip a cheap disc if they eventually have an opportunity to sell it for $100+?
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: ProfessorProfessorson on September 02, 2015, 04:10:29 PM
I think Keith intended to send me a copy, but it never happened. I suspect he forgot, no big deal, not worried about it either way. If a raffle does happens count me in, as I do still need a copy of the game.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: SignOfZeta on September 02, 2015, 05:38:21 PM
I have two or three of these (loose BWM copies). The thing is, as much as this makes me sound like a total prick, I think I'll keep ahold of them for a while longer. I'm %90 certain that anyone who I give them too will just flip them. Almost none of the new members we get here are "lifers". They usually didn't know the PCE existed two years ago and then dump their collections quickly. Even if the guy I give mine too gives it away for free when he dumps his collection, the next guy to own it is likely to flip it. If not him, the next guy. Someone will do it.
So if you're still here in eight years I'll send you one. Hopefully you won't need it by then. Hopefully someone will make a flash card that runs CDROM2 isos right off a memory card and all those Capital One cards dry up and the game market totally crashes.
Especially if some is asking to pay over $100 for a bootleg and insists on a spine. How likely are they to never flip a cheap disc if they eventually have an opportunity to sell it for $100+?
I don't see any relationship between wanting your stuff to be complete and being a capitalist stooge. I like my stuff complete and I'm pretty sure I've literally never sold a game at a profit.
I just figure...if a guy has the same Turbo he's had for 20 years, and he's played it this whole time, he'll probably never ever get rid of it. Those are the only people I'd want to send one of these to. Everyone else is suspect. I know they want the thing bad now and aren't thinking about selling it, but people are fickle, and we've been on this forum long enough to see dozens of jerks go from noob to power seller in two months, from zero games to all the games and back to zero again. It's revolting.
I can't give something freely to someone and then tell them what to do with it. It's bullshit to do that, so I'll just give mine out when I meet people that I know are genuine humans instead of robot money changers.
I gave one away about three years ago, btw. I think I have two left. PM me if you want one and you aren't a shithead. If I don't repsond, no offense, but I don't trust you.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: wildfruit on September 02, 2015, 09:37:26 PM
I'll take one if I win. I should be getting arcade card soon. If I like I I'll keep it...if I don't I'll give it away here again. DEAL
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: savageone on September 03, 2015, 04:56:44 AM
Shouldn't everyone be playing MGS5? Go get this game.
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: MrBroadway on September 03, 2015, 05:35:02 AM
Shouldn't everyone be playing MGS5? Go get this game.
f*ck no.
Going to have to agree with O.P on this one. If I were playing a PS4/Xbone game, it would not be MGS5. Regardless of that fact, I haven't finished the GoTW so how can disOBEY?!
Title: Re: WTB fake Sapphire
Post by: seieienbu on September 03, 2015, 01:35:27 PM
I've been wanting a copy of Sapphire for a while. I figured I might be able to get a loose bootleg copy for reasonably cheap so I made a thread about it at the start of the year. I figured that, for trying to buy a bootleg, I'd likely get flamed or a lengthy discussion about ramification of bootleggers etc would happen like it did here. However, I ended up getting no responses at all.
Anyway, if an opportunity to get a pressed copy of Sapphire presents itself, such as a raffle or whatever, I'd consider myself fortunate to be included.
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: MrBroadway on September 12, 2015, 01:46:25 PM
LMS, if it's acceptable to get on this list to give it to a friend, I'd like to be considered for it, too. They're good, trustworthy people who would, of course, know the stipulations about getting rid of it properly (i.e. coming back here to this community).
Thanks!
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: shipwreck on September 17, 2015, 09:23:18 AM
I keep hearing the name tobais. Someone please school me on this....
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: Necromancer on September 17, 2015, 09:26:47 AM
I keep hearing the name tobais. Someone please school me on this....
No. Use search and quit spam posting.
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: LMS on September 19, 2015, 09:30:53 AM
Had a busy couple of weeks hence the lack of follow up. SignOfZeta and esteban make some very valid points though. It would be pretty lame to pass these off to someone for free, only to find out they used the opportunity for financial gain at a later date.
I'm not sure what to do now. I know you guys are into raffles but I'm not really down with that idea to be honest, it feels a bit too random. I've been a member here for almost a decade and keep an eye on the forums pretty regularly but as many of you know, I'm really not one to post often at all. If I have something to share (like the Richard Gibbs pdf I created) or a relevant comment to contribute then I'll chime in but otherwise I'm not really one to get that involved in discussions. So as a result, aside from a couple of exceptions I don't have any real links with anyone here in particular.
In fact, I think I'm going to auction off a copy and give any resulting funds to a UK based charity called sense who provide support for deafblind people which is a hardcore shitty situation. This way some folk who will never have a decent opportunity to obey can get a bit of justice too...
https://www.sense.org.uk/
What do all you guys expressing an interest think about that idea, would you be up for getting involved or was it more about grabbing a freebie?
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on September 19, 2015, 10:14:51 AM
LMS, use Sapphire proceeds for a good cause... :)
In addition, though, I speak for everyone across the Atlantic when I say that you should still hold a raffle—for a jacket potato.
We're hungry over here. :)
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: Otaking on September 19, 2015, 10:45:52 AM
If I have something to share (like the Richard Gibbs pdf I created) or a relevant comment to contribute then I'll chime in but otherwise I'm not really one to get that involved in discussions.
And what a contribution, that Richard Gibbs fanzine scan PDF was awesome!!! best thing I've seen on this forum since I've been on here.
In fact, I think I'm going to auction off a copy and give any resulting funds to a UK based charity called sense who provide support for deafblind people which is a hardcore shitty situation. This way some folk who will never have a decent opportunity to obey can get a bit of justice too...
https://www.sense.org.uk/
Great idea and a really worthy cause.
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: Lost Monkey on September 19, 2015, 11:20:31 AM
Bit of a catch-22 isn't it? If someone offers cash for it, they somehow don't deserve to have it.. The alternative is that they are just looking for a freebie...
The people hanging onto these discs in most cases did not pay much, if anything, for them and just happened to be in the right place at the right time... Simply having one has become some sort of measuring stick of worthiness around here... implying that it has some greater intrinsic value... f*ck THAT. This disc is barely a notch above a CD-r, and only because it will play on any system with an ACD, and CD-r's will not (necessarily).
In three years of expressing my interest in obtaining one of these worthless boots, I have had exactly one offer - straight up trade for my original Dracula X.
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: esteban on September 19, 2015, 11:24:58 AM
Bit of a catch-22 isn't it? If someone offers cash for it, they somehow don't deserve to have it.. The alternative is that they are just looking for a freebie...
The people hanging onto these discs in most cases did not pay much, if anything, for them and just happened to be in the right place at the right time... Simply having one has become some sort of measuring stick of worthiness around here... implying that it has some greater intrinsic value... f*ck THAT. This disc is barely a notch above a CD-r, and only because it will play on any system with an ACD, and CD-r's will not (necessarily).
In three years of expressing my interest in obtaining one of these worthless boots, I have had exactly one offer - straight up trade for my original Dracula X.
Paradise. Lost. Monkey.
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: LMS on September 19, 2015, 12:03:12 PM
Bit of a catch-22 isn't it? If someone offers cash for it, they somehow don't deserve to have it.. The alternative is that they are just looking for a freebie...
The people hanging onto these discs in most cases did not pay much, if anything, for them and just happened to be in the right place at the right time... Simply having one has become some sort of measuring stick of worthiness around here... implying that it has some greater intrinsic value... f*ck THAT. This disc is barely a notch above a CD-r, and only because it will play on any system with an ACD, and CD-r's will not (necessarily).
In three years of expressing my interest in obtaining one of these worthless boots, I have had exactly one offer - straight up trade for my original Dracula X.
If this is a direct response to me then I'm not sure I really follow you... You're right that I paid nothing for these discs and it was indeed very much a case of being in the 'right place at the right time. And I agree that aside from their novelty in being a weird misprinted item, they have little more intrinsic value than a CDR. Hence my initial desire to get them into the hands of people who might place more personal value on them. The concern is, as pointed by other forum members, there's no real way to verify that's what will happen if they're handed out at random. The scenario that would really suck is if someone opportunistic where to take one for free and then immediately list it on ebay or sell it privately. I'd love to think that wouldn't happen but there's no real way to tell.
I don't feel comfortable selling (or even trading) them because as everyone is aware they were originally distributed for free, which is what lead to the idea that maybe a charity could benefit from an auction of one instead. I'm not expecting it to raise any significant amount but it seems like a nice neutral way to solve the issue. If someone offers more than anyone else in the auction and then chooses to flip it for profit, then at least a charity got to benefit to some extent in the process. If said sneaky winner outbid everyone else, then went to the trouble of listing and successfully selling it for more elsewhere, then maybe that's not the biggest injustice in the world anyway.
Your point about the catch 22 nature of the situation makes no sense to me at all though. If you want to offer cash for it (and it's more than anyone else in the auction) then you clearly deserve it and will receive it. If you're not prepared to spend any cash to get it then that's totally fine too, but in that case you are by definition 'just looking for a freebie'. There's nothing wrong with being interested in something for free and I never meant to suggest that when I asked but if nobody here is interested in paying for it, then it's hardly worth me attempting an auction as there will be no bidders.
Apologies if I misread the tone of your post but the catch 22 question seemed like it was addressed at me directly as a response to my previous post.
Title: Re: DNWTB (Do not want to buy) fake Sapphire
Post by: Lost Monkey on September 19, 2015, 12:55:17 PM
Bit of a catch-22 isn't it? If someone offers cash for it, they somehow don't deserve to have it.. The alternative is that they are just looking for a freebie...
The people hanging onto these discs in most cases did not pay much, if anything, for them and just happened to be in the right place at the right time... Simply having one has become some sort of measuring stick of worthiness around here... implying that it has some greater intrinsic value... f*ck THAT. This disc is barely a notch above a CD-r, and only because it will play on any system with an ACD, and CD-r's will not (necessarily).
In three years of expressing my interest in obtaining one of these worthless boots, I have had exactly one offer - straight up trade for my original Dracula X.
If this is a direct response to me then I'm not sure I really follow you... You're right that I paid nothing for these discs and it was indeed very much a case of being in the 'right place at the right time. And I agree that aside from their novelty in being a weird misprinted item, they have little more intrinsic value than a CDR. Hence my initial desire to get them into the hands of people who might place more personal value on them. The concern is, as pointed by other forum members, there's no real way to verify that's what will happen if they're handed out at random. The scenario that would really suck is if someone opportunistic where to take one for free and then immediately list it on ebay or sell it privately. I'd love to think that wouldn't happen but there's no real way to tell.
I don't feel comfortable selling (or even trading) them because as everyone is aware they were originally distributed for free, which is what lead to the idea that maybe a charity could benefit from an auction of one instead. I'm not expecting it to raise any significant amount but it seems like a nice neutral way to solve the issue. If someone offers more than anyone else in the auction and then chooses to flip it for profit, then at least a charity got to benefit to some extent in the process. If said sneaky winner outbid everyone else, then went to the trouble of listing and successfully selling it for more elsewhere, then maybe that's not the biggest injustice in the world anyway.
Your point about the catch 22 nature of the situation makes no sense to me at all though. If you want to offer cash for it (and it's more than anyone else in the auction) then you clearly deserve it and will receive it. If you're not prepared to spend any cash to get it then that's totally fine too, but in that case you are by definition 'just looking for a freebie'. There's nothing wrong with being interested in something for free and I never meant to suggest that when I asked but if nobody here is interested in paying for it, then it's hardly worth me attempting an auction as there will be no bidders.
Apologies if I misread the tone of your post but the catch 22 question seemed like it was addressed at me directly as a response to my previous post.
Wasn't directed at you, as much as the situation in general.
In my opinion, you and anyone else are welcome to do with these discs as you wish.
The catch-22 is caused by the reseller paranoia around here (which is mostly justified!) which causes people to believe that someone who has to ask for the disc doesn't deserve to have it.