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Unfortunate tragic events last night in the French capital. Many people dead and wounded.
Vive la République Française. Liberté égalité fraternité.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
Bitch, Please.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
These types of attacks, of various sizes, will continue in Europe and all Western societies. Liberal immigration policies are to fault, but to even discuss the issue gets you labeled a xenophobic, bigoted racist.
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Yeah, it was a horrific slaughter... :( I should reach my ole bud GillianSeed, see how he's doing over there. Actually know a few French people from the PCE scene, hope they weren't anywhere near the targeted locations. This was the result of simultaneously coordinated terror attacks Al-Qaeda style at ~7 different locations, theaters, restaurants, etc. You've got over >200 dead possibly, and hundreds others who took bullets but survived from psycho maniacs running loose with AK-47s...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTu0DJGUYAEEQZT.jpg)
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Yeah I'm hoping Squaresoft74 is ok...
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Islam is once again the issue but no one has the balls to admit it nowadays.
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Things like this make me wonder if we'll ever develop past such things, or if we're just a dead-end species destined for self-destruction.
Truly sad.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
Sad, but true. Hard to control who or what comes in once you stop asking questions and open the floodgates. Was hard enough as is prior to do background checks on people from the Middle East. You also have radicals who actually grew up in Europe involved in this kind of stuff. Isis recruits from all over the world, not just the middle east, and they are not so picky about the race of their membership.
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It really goes back to overthrowing the iron-fisted dictators in the region. It wasn't perfect, but terrorist attacks worldwide were down, and had we just stayed out of the region, they likely wouldn't have been able to do much against us. I get Kuwait, but do we really need to have permanent bases throughout the Arabian peninsula? Do we really need to get ourselves involved in every dispute there? Libya, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, and Iraq all were safer before American and European intervention.
We need to stop playing neo-colonialist, we need to stop playing world police. The old ideas of democracy for everyone were naive. With peace to Benjamin Franklin, there is no freedom without security and stability.
Edit: With all that said, we live in the realities of today, and it's difficult to go back in time. My hearts and thoughts go out to Parisians, all French, and the Lebanese. Fortunately, those I know there are safe.
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Horrible tragedy that kept getting worse and worse as the reports were more accurate throughout the day. I hate these sorts of things and I hate religious nutjobs. Have your religion, fine, I don't care. Just have the common decency to not kill people because your god is different from some other guy's god.
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Touko and Mooz, I hope you guys are safe.
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I have no doubt that the entirety of Western civilization has members of ISIS. Its sucks, but people gotta start being aware of what they are calling 'soft targets'(buildings or area's with lots of people & little security) no matter where we live. Thankfully I'm not in a big city, but I am semi close. My wife & I rarely go to any concerts or anything like that, though... I wonder if they'd target anything like Anime Expo/Comic Con/Etc?
Besides Gillian Seed, I was trying to think of any other French Obeyers. I think Shubibinman, Xavier, & Touko are all over there somewhere. It looks like Touko & Shubibinman were online today, so I'll assume they're fine.
I do think as this kind of stuff continues to happen, world leaders are eventually going to get tired of religion & put a kibosh on religions in general. Too much crap has been done in the name of God. Plus, think of all the riches various religions have. The Catholic Church for instance owns all types of services & buildings & such & are exempt from paying taxes on them. A lot of religions have deep pockets, so nations could prosper financially by raiding those pockets. I say it's just a matter of time, for better & worse.
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Islam is once again the issue but no one has the balls to admit it nowadays.
This is a very ignorant comment/statement as it seem that you are pointing fingers at a religion. Its not so much religion or guns/bombs that kills people, its people that kill people.
Well I guess you must have Big Ball since you are so clever to figure this out. Stop painting everyone with the same brush.
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Islam is once again the issue but no one has the balls to admit it nowadays.
This is a very ignorant comment/statement as it seem that you are pointing fingers at a religion. Its not so much religion or guns/bombs that kills people, its people that kill people.
Well I guess you must have Big Ball since you are so clever to figure this out. Stop painting everyone with the same brush.
I am pointing fingers at a religion, yes. I believe that islam is incompatible with modern secularism. And calling me ignorant is not the best way to convince me I'm wrong.
edit: upon reflection, I'm retracting from my comments. It took just a little bit of thinking to see I was wrong. Learning.
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Pussy.
next you'll say christianity was not the cause of the crusades! :lol:
Well, Islam had a big part to play in that, too...
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http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/?ref=yfp
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http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/?ref=yfp
Typical liberal horseshit.
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http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/?ref=yfp
Typical liberal horseshit.
yes, I agree. It is factual and based in reality. Typical liberal.
No, it's just your typical piece of liberal propaganda written by some self-loathing white liberal. Last time I checked, Muslims were the only ones flying planes into buildings, blowing up planes with bombs, attacking sporting events and concerts with bombs, attacking subways with bombs, attacking Western military installations with bombs and armed attacks, kidnapping and beheading people on video, etc etc etc.
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Shoulda posted this one in fighting street.
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http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/?ref=yfp
Typical liberal horseshit.
yes, I agree. It is factual and based in reality. Typical liberal.
No, it's just your typical piece of liberal propaganda written by some self-loathing white liberal. Last time I checked, Muslims were the only ones flying planes into buildings, blowing up planes with bombs, attacking sporting events and concerts with bombs, attacking subways with bombs, attacking Western military installations with bombs and armed attacks, kidnapping and beheading people on video, etc etc etc.
and surely this is happening 100% without any reason or provocation. I hate people who see in black and white. Shades of gray, yo. Yes, f*ck isis in their isis hole. They are in the wrong. I agree there. But you are simply a f*cking idiot if you can't see how wives and children getting killed in drone strikes wouldn't piss someone off and make them sympathetic to the extremist cause. Look at you, so eager to make blanket statements about "muslims"... so very different from blanket statements about "infidels" or "death to america".
"Self loathing white liberal"... that says all I need to hear. You're a f*cking idiot.
I thought that this woman summed up the issue quite nicely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry3NzkAOo3s
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http://www.salon.com/2015/11/14/our_terrorism_double_standard_after_paris_lets_stop_blaming_muslims_and_take_a_hard_look_at_ourselves/?ref=yfp
Typical liberal horseshit.
yes, I agree. It is factual and based in reality. Typical liberal.
No, it's just your typical piece of liberal propaganda written by some self-loathing white liberal. Last time I checked, Muslims were the only ones flying planes into buildings, blowing up planes with bombs, attacking sporting events and concerts with bombs, attacking subways with bombs, attacking Western military installations with bombs and armed attacks, kidnapping and beheading people on video, etc etc etc.
and surely this is happening 100% without any reason or provocation. I hate people who see in black and white. Shades of gray, yo. Yes, f*ck isis in their isis hole. They are in the wrong. I agree there. But you are simply a f*cking idiot if you can't see how wives and children getting killed in drone strikes wouldn't piss someone off and make them sympathetic to the extremist cause. Look at you, so eager to make blanket statements about "muslims"... so very different from blanket statements about "infidels" or "death to america".
"Self loathing white liberal"... that says all I need to hear. You're a f*cking idiot.
I never made a blanket statement about Muslims. That's you jumping to conclusions. I simply pointed out that when it comes to major terrorist plots around the world, Muslims have the market cornered. That's not to say all Muslims are terrorists at all, just that it's a rather large problem within their communities and in majority Muslim countries. As for the women and children, that's their tactic. Hide amongst women and children, then cry about the death of said women and children and use it as an excuse. They've been attacking Western targets decades before drones came to be, much less before drone attacks started so saying that's the reason Isis and Al Qaeda are attacking us is BS. Also, you are aware that the majority of people killed by Isis and Al Qaeda are other Muslims, right? Far more than America or Israel has ever killed. Muslims are being butchered by the thousands by other Muslims and all you hear is about big and little satan, America and Israel. Meanwhile you have Saudi Arabia, Dubai, the UAE and other Middle Eastern countries getting rich beyond comprehension off of oil money without so much as lifting a finger to help quell the issues in the region. Look, I can see in shades of gray. I didn't support the war in Iraq, though I thought the war in Afghanistan was justified due to their giving shelter to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. I also realize America isn't perfect in it's dealings with regimes in that area and have to take some responsibility for the mess there. Having said that, I think France, the UK, America, and other Western countries are paying the price for their liberal immigration policies. Look at London. Some neighborhoods have become a no-go zone for white Brits, where it is dominated by Muslims living under Sharia Law. To top it off, the UK courts actually recognize Sharia Law on many issues for the Muslims in the city, particularly when it comes to marriage and women's rights. But, to liberals this is progress. Let's change society to tolerate the intolerable.
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Just to give you some news of all the French PCE scene guies : everyone is safe.
One of my rugby teammates was at the Bataclan (the concert venue) and managed to escape with his wife.
Unfortunetaly 2 guies playing for other teams of my rugby league have been killed and several others wounded.
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blah blah liberals blah blah I am a f*cking idiot
Stop proving it... you've already convinced me that you're f*cking idiot.
Why don't you actually post against his points instead of dismissing them. You cannot simply dismiss the truth and hide behind a wall of political correctness while rolling your eyes. Go over his points one by one and discuss why it's eye roll worthy. It's not how the World works and we were reminded once again in Paris.
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Just in case someone care, I'm fine!
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I'm glad shubi and other Frenchy OBEYers are okay. f*ck these extremist asshats.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
These types of attacks, of various sizes, will continue in Europe and all Western societies. Liberal immigration policies are to fault, but to even discuss the issue gets you labeled a xenophobic, bigoted racist.
It's confirmed now; 5 of the terrorists had French nationalities and at least 2 of them were born in Belgium.
So much for Syrian immigrates.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
These types of attacks, of various sizes, will continue in Europe and all Western societies. Liberal immigration policies are to fault, but to even discuss the issue gets you labeled a xenophobic, bigoted racist.
It's confirmed now; 5 of the terrorists had French nationalities and at least 2 of them were born in Belgium.
So much for Syrian immigrates.
Actually, one of the Paris attackers had a Syrian refugee passport and came through Greece. What you've said hits the nail on the head though. Western European countries like France and Belgium have been accepting immigrants from the Middle East for decades, many who've refused to assimilate into Western culture and raise their children under Sharia Law. Not all, but many. This is a problem that's been festering for quite some time and we're seeing the results. Letting an endless stream of refugees pour across their borders is only going to lead to more problems but the bleeding heart liberals will refuse to do anything because it might be xenophobic or racist to do so.
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It's not a "bleeding liberal" thing. It's what France have been doing for centuries.
If France was the second country in the world in the 1770 in term of population, it wasn't because of a super reproductive population.
The problem come from the failure of integrating those people for decades.
We parked them like cattle in dilapidated buildings in the outskirts of cities. We let communauratism grow.
I can't tell for Belgium or Germany tho what they do and don't do about it.
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Hmm. I can't think of any "no go" neighbourhoods or cases where sharia law has taken precedence over legislation.
None.
It's not a "bleeding liberal" thing. It's what France have been doing for centuries.
If France was the second country in the world in the 1770 in term of population, it wasn't because of a super reproductive population.
The problem come from the failure of integrating those people for decades.
We parked them like cattle in dilapidated buildings in the outskirts of cities. We let communauratism grow.
I can't tell for Belgium or Germany tho what they do and don't do about it.
Les banlieues oui?
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Sorry double post
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The problem come from the failure of integrating those people for decades.
That assumes they wanted to assimilate but the man kept 'em down. Perhaps that's true in France, but it sure as shit ain't true in the US.
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Les banlieues, indeed. Tho it's just a word for "suburbs". It just come that indeed, around Paris mostly, but also Marseille and other large French cities, some suburbs erected in the 60's were temporary housing for people moving from the countryside to towns.
Which mean they were build with no idea of quality, duration, and being a living place - just stack people in one place until said people can access decent housing.
In the 70's the oil crisis started, halting most housing projects. Also, as people moved from the already decaying buildings, immigrants were housed in, because they were empty and cheap solutions. And they stayed.
They couldn't integrate : they were living together, the nearest school (in France, you can not really choose the public school you wanna attend, it's the closest geographically to your home - private schools are up to your choice, but they aren't free of course) in which only the teacher would be French.
(http://banlieuesdefrance.blog.pelerin.info/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/dscf1403.jpg)
Yay, home sweet home
Ironically, usually, the immigrants themselves tried their bes to assimilate. But their kids and grand-kids didn't as well.
The non-French borns are part of the French society, but the French born 3rd and 4th generation aren't. This is where the failure is.
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Catpix, here's the issue though. Who asked them to come to France? It's like the whole idea is, get to the border, announce your arrival, and expect to be put up in a cushy little house with a car, free education, and a free dog for the kids. What the hell ever happened to deposing tyrants and making your homeland a better place? Why is the solution to everyone's ills simply getting to a Westernized country and mooching off the government? America and Europe are being flooded by unskilled, uneducated, dirt poor immigrants who get on government programs the instant they cross the border. That's why Europe and America are going broke.
That assumes they wanted to assimilate but the man kept 'em down. Perhaps that's true in France, but it sure as shit ain't true in the US.
Exactly. Most people are unaware that the US halted most immigration from 1924 to 1965 to allow for assimilation of the waves of European immigrants. However, no such moratorium has been done for the millions and millions that have come since. Many immigrants in the US and Europe simply do not want to assimilate.
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Catpix, here's the issue though. Who asked them to come to France? It's like the whole idea is, get to the border, announce your arrival, and expect to be put up in a cushy little house with a car, free education, and a free dog for the kids.
That's what's being reported out of Sweden. Refugees are pissed because there is not enough permanent housing, food, etc. Pissed because Christian church bells are rang within their earshot, refused water and blankets cause they were emblazoned with the Red Cross. So they are holding violent protests.
My only source is Red Ice Radio, and I haven't confirmed at other outlets, but I trust their content 100 times over any "mainstream" outlet.
Edit: .... And I think it is absolutely, positively, 100% bat shit insane that our Goverrats are still making plans to accept 10,000 of these people, after the Paris attacks!
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Catpix, here's the issue though. Who asked them to come to France? It's like the whole idea is, get to the border, announce your arrival, and expect to be put up in a cushy little house with a car, free education, and a free dog for the kids.
That's what's being reported out of Sweden. Refugees are pissed because there is not enough permanent housing, food, etc. Pissed because Christian church bells are rang within their earshot, refused water and blankets cause they were emblazoned with the Red Cross. So they are holding violent protests.
My only source is Red Ice Radio, and I haven't confirmed at other outlets, but I trust their content 100 times over any "mainstream" outlet.
Edit: .... And I think it is absolutely, positively, 100% bat shit insane that our Goverrats are still making plans to accept 10,000 of these people, after the Paris attacks!
Exactly. In areas of London white Brits are being stopped on the streets at night and told to dispose of alcoholic beverages, to stop holding hands with their girlfriends in public, etc. by enforcers of Sharia Law. Anything, and I mean anything, can be viewed as offensive and reason to bomb and massacre people.
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unskilled, uneducated, dirt poor immigrants who get on government programs the instant they cross the border
Beleive it or not, as the Calais jungle prove, it's not what's going on ATM. Plus, France has now one of the lowest levels of immigrant acceptance - that is, immigrants that get a visa to stay in France legally. Even Great Britain allow more immigrants!
And after that, they don't have a choice really - they HAVE to sit through a government program to learn the language, customs and laws, and to get a job.
Overall, survey shows that French Muslims have much more openness and tolerance then their British and German counterparts -- so our assimilation model isn't completely broken.
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Catpix, here's the issue though. Who asked them to come to France? It's like the whole idea is, get to the border, announce your arrival, and expect to be put up in a cushy little house with a car, free education, and a free dog for the kids.
That's what's being reported out of Sweden. Refugees are pissed because there is not enough permanent housing, food, etc. Pissed because Christian church bells are rang within their earshot, refused water and blankets cause they were emblazoned with the Red Cross. So they are holding violent protests.
My only source is Red Ice Radio, and I haven't confirmed at other outlets, but I trust their content 100 times over any "mainstream" outlet.
Edit: .... And I think it is absolutely, positively, 100% bat shit insane that our Goverrats are still making plans to accept 10,000 of these people, after the Paris attacks!
http://www.thelocal.se/20140108/rape-is-a-muslim-form-of-punishment-sweden-democrat
seems legit
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In the Koran, women are essentially property and aren't allowed to say yes or no. Sex is either between a man and his wife (wives) or slaves, or it's forbidden premarital sex or adultery.
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Exactly. In areas of London white Brits are being stopped on the streets at night and told to dispose of alcoholic beverages, to stop holding hands with their girlfriends in public, etc. by enforcers of Sharia Law. Anything, and I mean anything, can be viewed as offensive and reason to bomb and massacre people.
I googled this. Am I missing something, or has this only actually happened a couple times in the past few years, and the nut-jobs doing it got arrested (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london)?
That's what's being reported out of Sweden. Refugees are pissed because there is not enough permanent housing, food, etc. Pissed because Christian church bells are rang within their earshot, refused water and blankets cause they were emblazoned with the Red Cross. So they are holding violent protests.
Googled this, too. What came up first was actually violent anti-muslim protests.
Not trying to brush off the stuff that's actually happened. But there's a lot of talk of Europe being transformed into an immigrant hellhole, and if it's mostly just non-violent grumbling about churchbells with the occasional little brushfire, that seems a tad exaggerated.
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Yep, people select their information sources to go in their direction.
I mean if you listen to Faux News, some parts of Paris were no go zones as well.
(http://thehigherlearning.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/no-go-zones.png)
There is no doubt that in some places, communities tried to establish their own rules, or some protested for things.
But like for "Chistian" bells (Well, no other major religion in europe have religious places with bells); some people protested against them. It's even a common thing that you see popping in the news multiple time here a year (mostly when online news have nothing else to feed their colums in one hour).
Rampant Muslim invasion? Nope, just some jerks moving from larger cities to more "quiet" and rural places and being bothered because the first bell ring at 7H during Sunday (because you know, that church wasn't here when they bough their house).
And sure enough, if you remove all the Pierre Dupont and Maurice Durand from the list of protesters you'll eventually found an Abdul Alhazred and you can claim "Muslims wanna destroy the church".
And about the Koran being mysoginic... It's about the same in the Torah/Old Testament, and only slightly less worse in the New Testament.
Of course today such things aren't as enforced in Christianity as they were once, but they were.
Not even mentionning the bloody war between Christians themselves, exactly what is going on with the Sunnnites and the Chiites today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew's_Day_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Calas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Jean_de_la_Barre
(and that's only events that I heard of in school... I'm sure you can quote lots more things from other European countries... and even the USA, like the Salem Witch Trial.)
I mean :
Regarding Jean-Francois Lefebvre, chevalier de La Barre, we declare him convicted of having taught to sing and sung impious, execrable and blasphemous songs against God; of having profaned the sign of the cross in making blessings accompanied by foul words which modesty does not permit repeating; of having knowingly refused the signs of respect to the Holy Sacrament carried in procession by the priory of Saint-Pierre; of having shown these signs of adoration to foul and abominable books that he had in his room; of having profaned the mystery of the consecration of wine, having mocked it, in pronouncing the impure terms mentioned in the trial record over a glass of wine which he held in his hand and then drunken the wine; of having finally proposed to Petignat, who was serving mass with him, to bless the cruets while pronouncing the impure words mentioned in the trial record.
In reparation of which, we condemn him to make honorable amend, in smock, head bare and a rope around his neck, holding in his hands a burning candle of two pounds before the principal door of the royal church... of Saint-Wulfram, where he will be taken in a tumbrel by the executioner who will attach before and behind him a sign on which will be written, in large letters impious one; and there, being on his knees, will confess his crimes...; this done, will have the tongue cut out and will then be taken in the said tumbrel to the public marketplace of this city to have his head cut off on a scaffold; his body and his head will then be thrown on a pyre to be destroyed, burnt, reduced to ashes and these thrown to the wind.
Merely 10 years before the American independance, you could be legally killed for shouting obscenities to a piece of wood and to a glass of wine ( ! )
Now this doesn't excuse at all the acts of terrorists, but it's a reminder of what our civilization was at, merely 250 years ago. And that what made Christianity being what it is now, didn't come FROM the Church, but from the societies it lives in(I feel a slippery slope coming here).
If things had been different, maybe we'd be of Muslim confession and Christians would be a group of raging terrorists in Middle east.
Religion is just a lever used by power hungry groups that like to see their name making the world shake in fear.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
These types of attacks, of various sizes, will continue in Europe and all Western societies. Liberal immigration policies are to fault, but to even discuss the issue gets you labeled a xenophobic, bigoted racist.
It's confirmed now; 5 of the terrorists had French nationalities and at least 2 of them were born in Belgium.
So much for Syrian immigrates.
Hold your horses. This post is premature, as the investigation is far from complete. The refugee count will increase. They've already announced more refugee associations with the attack.
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Catpix, we're talking about now, not 300 years or more ago. Look, I agree with you about religion. The history of Christianity is littered with horrible crimes. I'm an atheist who feels religion in general is outdated and more trouble than it's worth. Having said that, I don't think explaining away the truth about modern day Islamic extremism with claims of poverty and social disadvantage helps anybody. Most of the 9/11 hijackers we're well off and educated, as are most of the Islamic terrorists who've attacked in the West. There are thousands upon thousands of people flooding into the West with an ideology incompatible with democracy and the freedoms we enjoy. It's time to stop tap-dancing around the problem and do something about it.
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No, there isn't thousand and thousand people with ideologies incompatible with our way of life. It it was, they would have been in the streets already and setting everything ablaze.
7 guys with AK47 guns set France in a state of war.
If all, or even 1/10 of the refugees were willing to fight a war with Europe, they would have already be coming with guns and shooting everywhere.
The Syrian refuggees are fleeeing away FROM Daesh and the crazy RELIGIOUS dictatorship set up by Bachar El-Hassad.
Most might not agree with all the values we got, but they aren't willing to fight them anyway.
Hold your horses. This post is premature, as the investigation is far from complete. The refugee count will increase. They've already announced more refugee associations with the attack.
Well what I mentionned are just official declarations by the Attorney of Paris (I think it's the right translation...) so it can't get better sources than that.
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Exactly. In areas of London white Brits are being stopped on the streets at night and told to dispose of alcoholic beverages, to stop holding hands with their girlfriends in public, etc. by enforcers of Sharia Law. Anything, and I mean anything, can be viewed as offensive and reason to bomb and massacre people.
I googled this. Am I missing something, or has this only actually happened a couple times in the past few years, and the nut-jobs doing it got arrested (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london)?
You are correct. I can think of no "no go" areas in any parts of London that I have been to. In fact the only community I can think of that was very closed to outsiders was/is orthodox Jews in Stamford hill. . They are VERY private. But still, not a no go area.
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No, there isn't thousand and thousand people with ideologies incompatible with our way of life. It it was, they would have been in the streets already and setting everything ablaze.
Not to defend the overall sentiment, but that's not really the case. There is a strong discourse among many even moderate Muslims that ordinary Western life is not compatible with Islam. That doesn't mean they're going to be terrorists or anything, though. Of course, the same is true for many religious people, so singling out Islam is merely scapegoating.
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No, there isn't thousand and thousand people with ideologies incompatible with our way of life. It it was, they would have been in the streets already and setting everything ablaze.
Not to defend the overall sentiment, but that's not really the case. There is a strong discourse among many even moderate Muslims that ordinary Western life is not compatible with Islam. That doesn't mean they're going to be terrorists or anything, though. Of course, the same is true for many religious people, so singling out Islam is merely scapegoating.
Singling out Islam is merely scapegoating? Are you serious? Have you watched the news lately? How often do you see religiously motivated Christians, Jews, Taoists, Hindus, etc. blowing up planes, buildings, cars, etc. I'm no fan of religion in general but let's be honest here.
You are correct. I can think of no "no go" areas in any parts of London that I have been to. In fact the only community I can think of that was very closed to outsiders was/is orthodox Jews in Stamford hill. . They are VERY private. But still, not a no go area.
Muslim No Go Zones:
http://abc7.com/news/muslim-in-paris-life-inside-the-no-go-zones/1088953/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/16/cnn-owes-jindal-apology-nyt-admits-mythical-muslim-no-go-zones-exist/
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Muslim No Go Zones:
http://abc7.com/news/muslim-in-paris-life-inside-the-no-go-zones/1088953/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/16/cnn-owes-jindal-apology-nyt-admits-mythical-muslim-no-go-zones-exist/
I honestly think Breitbart is just as retarded as the shit you'll read at Salon or Mother Jones (and to be clear that Salon article posted earlier was a whole lot of stupid). The ABC article you linked seems to show a rough area of town. I don't know if that's any more "no go" than shitty parts of any big city and I don't think it has anything to do with religion.
End of the day, I don't live in France or anywhere in Europe. I'm inclined to believe the guys that live there. That said, there's a obviously a massive problem with Islamic extremists. I fully support killing daesh anywhere they reside.
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I'm afraid we will see more of this all over Europe since they accepted tens of thousands of Syrian "Refugees" into their countries.
These types of attacks, of various sizes, will continue in Europe and all Western societies. Liberal immigration policies are to fault, but to even discuss the issue gets you labeled a xenophobic, bigoted racist.
It's confirmed now; 5 of the terrorists had French nationalities and at least 2 of them were born in Belgium.
So much for Syrian immigrates.
http://www.thelocal.fr/20151120/paris-attackers-refugees-migrants
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http://www.thelocal.fr/20151120/paris-attackers-refugees-migrants
This doesn't change the fact that the Syrian refugees aren't responsible of Daesh using those event to send terrorists in.
There was no refugee crisis in January when the Charlie-Hebdo attack happened.
Multiple suspiscious people from Syria and Turkey have been arrested before and during the refugee crisis with forged passports, most of them of shocking good quality.
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http://www.thelocal.fr/20151120/paris-attackers-refugees-migrants
This doesn't change the fact that the Syrian refugees aren't responsible of Daesh using those event to send terrorists in.
There was no refugee crisis in January when the Charlie-Hebdo attack happened.
Multiple suspiscious people from Syria and Turkey have been arrested before and during the refugee crisis with forged passports, most of them of shocking good quality.
Dude what are you talking about? This has been going on for years. The EU admitted 180k refugees in 2014.
It doesn't matter that "true" refugees do not condone terror, or that a small percent of "refugees" are terrorists. It only takes a small percentage to plan these attacks, and obviously the government cannot detect these people. It is the government's responsibility to protect its citizens. If it cannot determine which of the thousands coming into the country support the jihad, its only option is to close the boarder.
It should concern everyone that with the amount of active surveillance and snooping our governments perform, they still did not pick up on this.
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Found this video earlier, not sure if it is B.S. Scare Tactics or has some truth. Either way it is scary.
http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2015/heres-the-refugee-video-liberals-do-not-want-you-to-see.html?utm_source=fnot1&utm_medium=facebook
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Hmmm, anything that says "the video that ____ doesn't want you to see" or "_____ exposed!" I always take with a ridiculously undersized grain of salt. There's always a chance of those kinds of articles or videos are true, but I consider it highly suspicious & suspect to just a bunch of hate speech & twistings from people on the other side of an argument.
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What is hate speech? Is it only one sided or can it be from both sides? The video shows an unbelievable amount of Syrian Refugees walking to Germany, watch the video, you tell me what you think.
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I think we are pretty much living and witnessing the self destruction of western civilization.
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Hmmm, anything that says "the video that ____ doesn't want you to see" or "_____ exposed!" I always take with a ridiculously undersized grain of salt.
Agreed. I won't say anything about that video specifically (it won't play for me), but anything titled in such a way is pretty much guaranteed to be slanted half truths and not even close to honest reporting.
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What is hate speech? Is it only one sided or can it be from both sides? The video shows an unbelievable amount of Syrian Refugees walking to Germany, watch the video, you tell me what you think.
I don't mean that it's literally hate speech, I just mean in general, that things in the news/social media/etc. phrased certain ways I tend to be suspicious of & take with a grain of salt. I couldn't get the video working either, so I can't comment on it.
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What is hate speech? Is it only one sided or can it be from both sides? The video shows an unbelievable amount of Syrian Refugees walking to Germany, watch the video, you tell me what you think.
I don't mean that it's literally hate speech, I just mean in general, that things in the news/social media/etc. phrased certain ways I tend to be suspicious of & take with a grain of salt. I couldn't get the video working either, so I can't comment on it.
OK, well I just clicked on the link, and it worked for me? Try again.
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It still doesn't work for me, and I'm okay with that.
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I think we are pretty much living and witnessing the self destruction of western civilization.
That actually began when idiots with guns decided to colonize the world.