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Title: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on November 29, 2015, 03:27:40 AM
Hi guys,

while I was struggling against the last boss in 1941 my wife had the good idea to go quick between the table and the TV and hauled her feet in the Scart cable, which resulted in my supergrafx falling from 30cm on the floor and now it's dead (the supergrafx).

Symptoms:
- right after the fall, the image was frozen but music continued to play (IIRC, I powered it off right away).
- now when I power on the console all I got is a white screen without sound, same as when the card is not detected or when the slot is empty. I tried with several games, slighltly moving the card in the slot  trying to get the right position, but always the same result: white screen, no sound.

I opened the console to have a quick check and none of the chips is over heating.

Any Idea? (or condolences?)
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: MNKyDeth on November 29, 2015, 03:48:33 AM
This is a guess from me. But reflow the solder on the A/V, power and controller ports? Maybe something cracked a little from the jolt.

Try a different game in the system?

Any cracking on the PCB?

These are all just guess's so...
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: BlueBMW on November 29, 2015, 03:50:29 AM
The way the supergrafx shell holds the PCB in place makes the board more prone to cracking when impacted (I've seen it several times)  So its possible you got a small crack in the pcb.  Usually fixable with some effort.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: wyndcrosser on November 29, 2015, 05:58:47 AM
Open the "guy" up and let's see.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: Gentlegamer on November 29, 2015, 06:54:40 AM
After pcenginefx.com, go here http://www.divorcenet.com/resources/divorce-judge/hiring-divorce-lawyer.htm
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: EvilEvoIX on November 29, 2015, 10:41:05 AM
I hope you fix it soon.  Post status updates.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: mickcris on November 29, 2015, 11:23:23 AM
Yeah, the pcb most likely cracked and broke some traces. I got one cheap due to this issue and was able to repair it. Some of the broken traces can be a bit hard to see.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: csgx1 on November 29, 2015, 12:11:29 PM
Cracked pcbs are somewhat common? Sounds like a design flaw.

Just a thought...does your Supergrafx happened to be region modded? If so, the jolt could have loosened a connection.

30cm drop doesn't seem like a whole lot.  Hopefully it's an easy fix.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: thesteve on November 29, 2015, 01:01:11 PM
that system is prone to cracking
check board at stress points (heatsink mounts and where the cover touches the board)
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: Necromancer on November 30, 2015, 02:58:21 AM
Aww, man that sucks.  :(

On the plus side, you'll have a good response for a while when wifey is mad about something: "Yeah?  Remember that time you trashed my SGX?"
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on November 30, 2015, 03:44:04 AM
Thanks (and lol) for your responses guys.   :D

For now I just had a quick look searching for an over-heating chip or a crack, but didn't notice any of those. Don't think it's a loosen connection, because the console acts as if there was nothing in the Hucard slot, no image, no sound, just blank screen.

I hope it's just a crack, I should eventually find it.
I'll give you updates, thanks again.



Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: ginoscope on December 01, 2015, 02:51:18 AM
After pcenginefx.com, go here http://www.divorcenet.com/resources/divorce-judge/hiring-divorce-lawyer.htm


LOL I was thinking the same thing but in all seriousness I hope you figure out what is wrong with the system.  Like others have said check the av/controller port areas for loose connections.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: thesteve on December 01, 2015, 05:49:41 PM
just a note, the sound continued
if it was a solid tone look for a crack between work ram/card and 6280
if the sound continued normally look for cracks around the heatsink interrupting the data bus to a 6270
also try rock-on, as its sound runs without proper video function
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: wilykat on December 02, 2015, 01:45:34 AM
Cracked joint between any of the chip?  Get a really good magnifying glass, like jeweler's loupe and check over all the pins of the IC. Wiggle the IC as you check for pin, you might find a pin or 2 moving when it shouldn't move.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on December 02, 2015, 03:52:44 AM
Found !

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_486509WP20151202123830Pro.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer6004.html?id=486509WP20151202123830Pro.jpg)

Looks like I got some chirurgical soldering to do  :mrgreen:

The crack goes far under the HUcard slot, but only the traces from the huC6202 VPC are cut, those below seems OK as far as I could test them. Hope I'm right because I really don't want to unsolder the slot. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: blueraven on December 02, 2015, 04:24:21 AM
Found !

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_486509WP20151202123830Pro.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer6004.html?id=486509WP20151202123830Pro.jpg)

Looks like I got some chirurgical soldering to do  :mrgreen:

The crack goes far under the HUcard slot, but only the traces from the huC6202 VPC are cut, those below seems OK as far as I could test them. Hope I'm right because I really don't want to unsolder the slot. :mrgreen:


That was going to be my next comment; please post photos of the board.

I wish you the best of luck in bridging the traces, I have some similar work to do on a unit of mine. Keep us updated on your progress.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: mickcris on December 02, 2015, 07:26:27 AM
Mine had a crack there and 2 other places. You may end up having to remove the slot. I had to remove mine as the crack went the whole way up the left side. Can't really tell from your pic where yours is as it's pretty low resolution. I posted a couple pics of my board here:
http://www.pcenginefx.com/forums/index.php?topic=16172.msg399144#msg399144

edit: i clicked on your pic and can see its high res.  wasn't working on my phone for some reason.  but im thinking the crack probably extends to where the screw was holding the slot in place so hopefully there are no traces in between.  I cant remember exactly what it looks like under the slot.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: CatPix on December 02, 2015, 07:40:23 AM
This doesn't make me wanting to get a Supergrafx. I don't have the habit of slamming my systems down, and I have a Colecovision and a Bally Astrocade - I know what a flaky system is - but this doesn't feel like it's so worth the cost and pain :D

Good luck for fixing your system anyway!
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: wilykat on December 02, 2015, 09:58:28 AM
I don't know how much gap there is under the slot but a good camera with macro setting should be able to take picture then you could blow up the image on the computer to see where and how far the crack goes.

Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on December 03, 2015, 06:03:03 AM
I don't know how much gap there is under the slot but a good camera with macro setting should be able to take picture then you could blow up the image on the computer to see where and how far the crack goes.



I goes further than I hoped... or let's rather say that the crack is worse than I hoped.

First step of soldering this morning, before I had to go to work:

(I'm ashamed of posting that pic, as it looks dirty because of my shitty wires which starts to melt at 1inch from the soldering iron :oops:)(and no, there's no short  :mrgreen:)


(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_947548WP20151203122630Pro.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewerf275.html?id=947548WP20151203122630Pro.jpg)


Anyway, things get better:

(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_457655WP20151203122427Pro.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer5fdc.html?id=457655WP20151203122427Pro.jpg)


(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_165236WP20151203122523Pro.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer57b5.html?id=165236WP20151203122523Pro.jpg)


Tomorrow I'll work on the other cut traces under the slot, and post the results soon after.


Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: esadajr on December 03, 2015, 08:58:50 AM
it's alive!
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: mickcris on December 03, 2015, 10:02:28 AM
it doesn't look that bad. :)
also, i would not leave any wires under the plastic side piece of the slot.  there was one trace on mine that i had to find an alternative spot on the other side of the board cause the slot kept knocking my solder joint lose.  I think the case pushes that flat against the board.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: wilykat on December 03, 2015, 11:52:34 AM
You are using variable temp iron?  When wire melt, it may be too hot.  For most soldering work I usually do 325C although with those tiny SMD pins, maybe try 310? To avoid burning up the tiny traces.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: Vimtoman on December 03, 2015, 07:57:23 PM
Use Hook up wire its soldering proof but you need a special  stripper.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on December 04, 2015, 07:29:34 AM
Guess who's back ??  :dance:


(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_979166WP20151204155902Pro1.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewerf899.html?id=979166WP20151204155902Pro1.jpg)


My soldering iron doesn't have variable temp, I was too lazy to drive to the shop to buy better wire, but it did the job anyway. And without removing the slot!

Image of the final operation (minus the goo):


(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_494003WP20151204160103Pro1.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer3515.html?id=494003WP20151204160103Pro1.jpg)


And my happy convalescent SgX:


(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_373159WP20151204191119Pro1.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer6a4a.html?id=373159WP20151204191119Pro1.jpg)


Thanks to all of you for the good advices , the support, and the good jokes!

My SgX and my marriage are saved  :D
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: Necromancer on December 04, 2015, 07:32:38 AM
Well done.  The bandaids are a nice touch.  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: johnnykonami on December 04, 2015, 08:33:31 AM
Guess who's back ??  :dance:

My SgX and my marriage are saved  :D

Nice work resurrecting it!
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: wilykat on December 04, 2015, 11:12:16 AM
Nice!  So what can be done to prevent this? It sounds like SFX is assembled a little tight or too loose and is prone to cracking if dropped.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: blueraven on December 04, 2015, 02:09:07 PM
hahhahahahHHAHAHAHA!!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:

Fantastic!!!

Awesome job with the repair and glad to see you're back on the road!  :mrgreen:
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: RyuHayabusa on December 05, 2015, 11:09:38 AM
Good job saving the SGX.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: schweaty on December 05, 2015, 12:47:51 PM
Mad props.  That is great work
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: roflmao on December 05, 2015, 12:59:46 PM
The technical ability around these parts never ceases to amaze me.  Congrats on getting it up and running again!
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: seieienbu on December 05, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
So glad this story has a happy ending.  Congrats on the excellent workmanship.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on December 06, 2015, 08:14:25 AM
Thanks guys !  :oops: O:)

Nice!  So what can be done to prevent this? It sounds like SFX is assembled a little tight or too loose and is prone to cracking if dropped.

Maybe play with the SGX above pillows?

The fact is while repairing it, I noticed 2 subtle marks of former fixing, so maybe the  crack was already there but the traces weren't totally cut?
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: BlueBMW on December 06, 2015, 09:08:09 AM
Maybe cut out the mount posts near the middle of the board and not use those screws.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on December 06, 2015, 09:38:36 AM
Hey, good idea! I didn't put back those screws, but I didn't think to cut the mount posts.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: thesteve on December 06, 2015, 09:38:56 AM
the offending post has no screw, and i cut it on mine
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: csgx1 on December 06, 2015, 11:55:58 AM
Great job getting it working again!

I think I'll open up mine and cut the post too.  Is it only a single mounting post in the middle that seems to be causing trouble?
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: thesteve on December 06, 2015, 03:24:21 PM
yes
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: deubeul on January 19, 2016, 11:00:30 PM
Just a little bump to say that this morning, as I wanted to test the jaibar fix on my SgX, the problem was back  :x

But once opened and PCB naked, the console worked again. So I cut all the pots inside the console, put it back together and shaked it a little to verify by hear that everything was holding tight inside, now everything works fine!! Those pots really are evil.
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: Jason_dicarlo85 on January 19, 2016, 11:02:53 PM
I'm glad you were able to fix your system... Happy ending... Game on
Title: Re: RIP my beloved Supergrafx
Post by: NightWolve on January 21, 2016, 05:22:27 AM
(http://img15.hostingpics.net/thumbs/mini_373159WP20151204191119Pro1.jpg) (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer6a4a.html?id=373159WP20151204191119Pro1.jpg)

Yeah, nice touch with the band-aids. Congrats on saving it yourself! :)