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NEC TG-16/TE/TurboDuo => TG-16/TE/TurboDuo Discussion => Topic started by: guyjin on September 07, 2006, 01:41:03 PM
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FINALLY got my duo working again. (had it plugged in to a bad socket on a power strip - had to run an extension cord across the room :shock: )
First game I played: Cosmic Fantasy 2. I haven't been able to play it since I got it.
And all I have to say is: WOW.
Scratch that, I won't be able to shut up about this game for a while :)
It's amazing what I was missing out on back in '91. Stupid SNES. :(
The spoken dialog is a little stiff, but I can forgive that.
Also, playing with just Van is a tad tedious. But I'm sure that will change soon enough. (I'm not reading any FAQs, so don't give anything away!
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FINALLY got my duo working again. (had it plugged in to a bad socket on a power strip - had to run an extension cord across the room :shock: )
First game I played: Cosmic Fantasy 2. I haven't been able to play it since I got it.
And all I have to say is: WOW.
Scratch that, I won't be able to shut up about this game for a while :)
It's amazing what I was missing out on back in '91. Stupid SNES. :(
The spoken dialog is a little stiff, but I can forgive that.
Also, playing with just Van is a tad tedious. But I'm sure that will change soon enough. (I'm not reading any FAQs, so don't give anything away!
Yeah, almost any of the games ported to the Turbo by Working Designs is a masterpoiece and one of the reasons several of us were Turbo Fans back in the day and looked st the SNES and Genesis fans like they were on crack. 8)
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I played through a friend's copy of CF2 back when it came out. I wish I had it myself. I remember Van's voice because it is the same guy (Hiro) from Lunar 2 who keeps saying "Lucia.... Lucia...." over and over and over. An RPG where the main protagonist isn't a mute. Wow. Just wow.
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I played through a friend's copy of CF2 back when it came out. I wish I had it myself. I remember Van's voice because it is the same guy (Hiro) from Lunar 2 who keeps saying "Lucia.... Lucia...." over and over and over. An RPG where the main protagonist isn't a mute. Wow. Just wow.
It was a Working Designs thing man! Yes it was! :twisted:
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CF2 is a bit dull when it comes to the ingame graphics and soundtrack and the battles are pretty average, but what really shines is the amazing story, characters, and cinemas; way ahead of any other RPG at it's time. There are lots of fantastic story moments in the game and all of us who have beat the game know what they are and I'm not going to spoil anything ;) .
By the way, there isn't anything wrong with the songs in the soundtrack itself, in fact a couple are quite good, it's just that there are only like four total songs in the entire soundtrack.
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Cosmic Fantasy 2 is an old favorite of mine. The story and characters are unforgettable, the ending is one of the best ever, the music (though there isn't much of it) is cool and really atmospheric at times, and Babs is hot. The battle system is the only thing that stinks (though I've always liked the way the enemies were drawn for some reason).
And SNES RPGs were terrible. I'd much rather play CF2, Dragon Slayer, Emerald Dragon, Manji Maru, Kabuki Den, or Ziria than any of that Super Nintendo slop.
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I don't go as far as Runin by saying SNES games are slop because there are some I like, but CF2 offers a story that no SNES RPG can really match.
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And SNES RPGs were terrible. I'd much rather play CF2, Dragon Slayer, Emerald Dragon, Manji Maru, Kabuki Den, or Ziria than any of that Super Nintendo slop.
Well, that's a bit harsh. But other than CF2, are any of those availiable in english? (I actually have ziria, but it's in Japanese, so I never play)
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Dragon Slayer was released in the US.
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CF2 is the first game to ever move me so much, that I actually cried. That may sound wierd, but it's true. I also get goose bumps when I hear certain songs. :P
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Chrono Trigger smashes Cosmic Fantasy 2 over it's mighty knee.
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There's nothing wrong with crying over a video game. I cry during Cosmic Fantasy 2's touching conclusion. I cry when the Ys Book I and 2 credits roll. And I certainly cry when I get to the middle of a level in Deep Blue and the scary music starts blaring and millions of enemies suddenly appear.
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Can't say I have cried during a game, but I've got the goosebumps during moments like CF2 and the end credits of Ys Book I & II. When a game can do that to someone, that really shows how powerful it is.
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I enjoyed CF2 immensely back in the day. The cinemas and all that...very nice. It also has OK load times. Not as quick as Manji Maru (I'm pretty sure nothing is) but much better than anything post-PS1.
Truely though, its a crap RPG. Absolutely terrible. The in-game graphics are sub-master system. The game play is the worst part though. All the shops sell items to protect you from certain kinds of elemental magic...but I'm pretty sure that no enemy in the game casts spells! Its really rare at least. The dungeons can be huge, boring, dirges. If you only have Van then you are a long long way from anywhere.
The game will always be special to me, but if it were a SNES game with no CD bonus, it would certainly be the worst RPG on that system. Even worse than 7th Saga. Not only does it suck rocks compared to Earthbound, Chrono Trigger, FFVI, etc, it can't compare to other PCE titles like Manji Maru, Emerald Dragon, Kabuki Den, Startling Odyssey, or even stuff that actually was translated like Y's 1&2, or Dragon Slayer.
Its too bad that WD didn't stick with the Turbo for just a while longer. Subsequent Cosmic Fantasy games are *vastly* superior. So *so* much better. Another cool game for them to have done would have been Startling Odyssey II. That thing is a gem, and it has a fantastic ending.
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The in-game graphics are sub-master system.
You're insane.
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Chrono Trigger
*yawn* I fell asleep after two minutes of that bore-fest.
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Another cool game for them to have done would have been Startling Odyssey II. That thing is a gem, and it has a fantastic ending.
It's a decent game from what I've seen, but for '94 the production value seem a little low relative to other titles.
Chrono Triger was cool, but seriously over hiped. I've beat it twice. I like the first half of the game more than the second half.
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CF2 is great. Chrono Trigger is overrated...but also superb. Chrono Cross is INCREDIBLE though.
I never finished Dragon Slayer....will someday.
Ys IV kills them all!
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I was just joking about Chrono Trigger smashing CF2, I really like CF2 actually. BUT Chrono Trigger is still the best RPG I've ever played, I don't get how anyone could possibly not like it. The characters are great (well except for Chrono of course), the story is interesting, the graphics are very nice, but mostly it's just a blast. I've never played another RPG where fights and exploring were so much fun. Going through the time periods is a blast, and the new game+ feature with the different endings was pure f*cking genius.
Plus how can you not like the double and triple techs? Those were sweet, I've never played another RPG with such a unique battle system. I loved trying all the combos of characters and figuring out which techs were the best.
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I like Chrono Trigger, but the game can bore me, as nod posted, but not nearly as bad as some other games out there. I never really got into the battle system of the game either. It's cool and original and all, but it just seems "chunky" to me, something I don't feel comfortable using. Perhaps it's because the battles take longer to beat than a standard RPG? The graphics are beautiful though, especially when you go to that place in the sky and the music is pretty damn good as well. Maybe I should give the game another try, I made it to the end once but my saved got erased.
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I wish Chrono Trigger had more futuristic parts in the game - that's when the story hit a high point. Those were my favorite parts - that and the near distant past (were you find the toad guy). They were connected more with the present time of the game. The first time I played through it - back when it came out, I had a blast. The second time through on the emu many years later - wasn't as great as I remembered it. Nor was it much fun after 1/3 of the game. FFV and FFVI (US) were great and I've beaten both atleast 3 times. They hold up much better than CT.
Chrono Cross on PS1 was really fun, but I got stuck in the game - about half way through and lost interested when I realized that I had to start over again. Now a days, it's hard for me to play any 3D PS1 game. The graphics hurt my eyes :D With a few exceptions (FFIX), I'll take NES graphics over PS1 3D.
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I only played an hour or so into CF2. It started of with a bang, but was very tedious from the first town, through the first dungeon and into the second town. I'll have to give it another go soon. I think i accidentally erased my save, and didnt feel like starting over at the time.
About Chrono Trigger, thats a phenominal game. From the floating city of Zeal, to the whole court room trial, it was great all the way. What really makes it great is the multiple endings (14 i think). You really dont start having fun until you get the New Game+.
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Can anyone confirm, or deny a purpose to the protection items in CF2? I remember there being one that protects from fire, poison, etc, and yet I was never poisoned, or had a fire spell (or any other spell) cast on me once in the entire game. I may have been poisoned, not sure.
I've been wondering about this for ages. Is it a bug that WD introduced, or is the game that broke? Because...that's pretty broke. I mean, these things are in all the shops, and they seem to have no frikken use whatsoever...like that dude that sells insurence in Animal Crossing.
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Can anyone confirm, or deny a purpose to the protection items in CF2? I remember there being one that protects from fire, poison, etc, and yet I was never poisoned, or had a fire spell (or any other spell) cast on me once in the entire game. I may have been poisoned, not sure.
I've been wondering about this for ages. Is it a bug that WD introduced, or is the game that broke? Because...that's pretty broke. I mean, these things are in all the shops, and they seem to have no frikken use whatsoever...like that dude that sells insurence in Animal Crossing.
According to Don Shirley, the protection items serve no purpose in the USA version of CF2, as all enemy magics were removed from the game by WD to ease the difficulty level. So now their only purpose is to serve as cashflow enhancers...you find one, you sell it for pure profit. :D It's not a bug per se, but it was intentional. It seems some other things broke in the process though.
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That...is an incredibly stupid idea, and a bad localization choice...even by WD standards.
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I only played an hour or so into CF2. It started of with a bang, but was very tedious from the first town, through the first dungeon and into the second town. I'll have to give it another go soon. I think i accidentally erased my save, and didnt feel like starting over at the time.
That's pretty much exactly how I thought of the game when I first played it. However during a certain spot in the game that isn't too, too far off from where you are, the interest level will practically explode and the game only gets better from there on :) .
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I haven't played CF2 since it came out but...I remember being not terribly impressed by it. The cinemas and voice were nice, but the battle system was very, very slow. All those little loads (like spooling attack sounds off the CD) didn't help either.
One thing I do remember is getting stuck at one point in the game and writing a letter to Working Designs about it. Yeah, I used to do that in the old days because lots of devs/pubs actually answered their mail back then. :) Anyway, someone from WD called me up and told me how to get past the part I was stuck at. That built up some goodwill between me and WD, but that evaporated years later when I had the audacity to ask Vic Ireland about the translation of some parts of Alundra and he blasted me for it in a very nasty email. :lol:
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All those little loads (like spooling attack sounds off the CD) didn't help either.
No attack sounds were loaded from the CD during runtime...obviously this would have disrupted the audio. :P But the other loads, yes, they were annoying but necessary due to the tiny amount of memory the game had to work with. Had this been a super cdrom, that all would have been eliminated, as there would have been plenty of memory to work with...but alas...
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I have never really played Cosmic Fantasy 2. I've always wanted to, though ( I remember seeing screenshots of it way, WAY back). However, all these small things that I keep hearing about keeps me away from the game. I hate a slow RPG. I hate random encounter and I hate long, boring dungeons.
Too bad. The story seems interesting.
About Chrono Trigger: I like the game but I never finished it because I got tired of it. I loved it up until then, though. Definitely one of the better RPGs I've played. Square games tend to get repeditive and boring after a while (like 15-20 hours or so), this is the case with every Square game I have ever played.
I also disagree with the one who said SNES RPGs are crap. Sure, there are many bad RPGs for it, since there are so many (like a hundred, at least!), but there are some really awesome RPGs and I dare say SNES is the best RPG system to this day. Although Ys IV PCE beats them all (DESPITE the awful level grinding that game requires). :)
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I owned an SNES for its RPGs, since the hardware was too crippled to handle much else properly. :D The PCE is the shooter console, plain and simple, not the RPG console.
Seldane: there are a few parts in CF2 that are quite long-feeling but most of the game moves at a pretty decent pace. A lot of people blow it out of proportion simply because the game kicks their ass and they get all pissy. :D
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Personally, I consider the Playstation(1) the system for RPGs--traditional RPGs, at least. The Duo crushes all other systems as far as action-RPGs go.
The SNES is the system for hilariously awful "special effects" and visual blunders. Falling fat men, rotating space stations, flicker-ravaged lava men... the SNES has it all!
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Any time you have a special effect, there's always going to be someone to overuse it. I think more than one developer got overzealous with the special effects of the SNES and ended up churning out a ton of cheesy-looking games. Special effects are nice when used correctly (in moderation...). I've yet to find a PCE game that overused special effects (imagine if Jackie Chan used the silhouette trick constantly...ugh).
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Yeah, I had this discussion with someone just the other day, in fact. Turbo/PCE/Duo games may not have been capable of the "technological wizardry" that games available on other machines of the era were, but they used their strengths optimally and discreetly. The silhouettes in Jackie Chan are neat every time I see them, just as the scrolling effects in Shape Shifter's forest and Macross 2036's "crystal" planet level are beautiful.
On the other hand, lots of SNES games "showcase" so many examples of goofy, needless "effects" (frequently crippling the action in the process) that I just end up laughing at them or getting irritated and turning them off.
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Wow runinrider, you really really hate snes. I will agree that the mode 7 type stuff is way overused, as well as the mosiac effect (going through a keyhole in mario world/poised in FFVI). The other graphics effects can be really useful. The best thing is the transparency. It really helps add atmosphere to games such as Super Metroid, Zelda (in the forest for example).
This kinda doesnt really have anything to do with Cosmic Fantasy 2 though does it :D. On that note, I started a new game finally. I just got Annie in my party, but died trying to make it through the cave. I will say that its MUCH more fun with more than 1 person in your party. The battles arent so tedious anymore.
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The anti-SNES thing here is pretty wierd...
I mean, if this was 1992 and we were all 12 and our parents decided we could only have one system for XMas, I would expect this sort of..."allegiance", or whatever the hell it is, but its much later, most of us are much older, and the systems are so cheap they are basically free now.
I love the PCE. I always have. I don't go to any other console specific forums other than Neo Geo Pocket. I was always the only guy in the immediate geographical area with a "Turbo" system other than my brother, and like most of you guys I only bought EGM for the small mentionings of PCE releases from Japan. My NEC fandom is not in question.
That said, you guys talking smack about the SNES are out of your damn mind. The RPGs on the SNES are, for the most part, a lot different than the style with which PCE RPGs were made. Both systems were *excellent* for RPGs. Better than anything since. For the people that can't read Japanese the SNES is definitely the better option, although far too many good RPGs were left in Japan for both systems.
As for the special FX thing....
The SNES is the system for hilariously awful "special effects" and visual blunders. Falling fat men, rotating space stations, flicker-ravaged lava men... the SNES has it all!
I've played a lot of SNES titles and I can say I have no f*cking clue what you are even talking about. The SNES has many special FX tricks, we all know that, and they can be used very well. I fact I'd say that for the most part they were used very well. For example Macross: Scrambled valkyrie is loaded with SNES specific FX, and that game is just totally great from begining to end. The PCE Macross shooter from about that time, 2036, is also good in its own unique way. Its has a real story, and great new designs, voice acting, etc.
If you're some kind of video game equivalent of the Amish, then I guess you could argue that all of these fancy, new-fanged tricks are just the work of the devil, and don't really have anything to do with gameplay, but that's true of the SNES's eye candy as well as the long, load-happy cinema sections of PCE games. Furthermore, of the PCE had the kind of SFX that the SNES has (or any SFX to speak of...) they would be used just as often and you know it.
There are all sorts of bad game systems out there. The SNES isn't one of them, and if you think it is you need to pull your head out of your rabid fanboy ass and look around. You are only screwing the yourself by avoiding the SNES.
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SNES games for the most part are pretty sad, but there are a few good ones. Obviously you haven't played many SNES games if you haven't seen the over use of the shit SNES special effects. And for a guy who starts off comparing snes bashers to 12 year olds, you sure typed a lot for someone who is too old for console wars.
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A "few" good SNES games? There are many more high quality games on the SNES than on the PCE (or ANY other system, for that matter). No doubt about it.
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SNES games for the most part are pretty sad, but there are a few good ones. Obviously you haven't played many SNES games if you haven't seen the over use of the shit SNES special effects.
I'm pretty sure I've played all but 30-50 SNES games released world-wide. I think we just have a different idea of of what constitutes over use. I've played a lot of crap on SNES, but most of it was 3rd party American shit I don't count. "A few good games" is just....nuts. Its like saying Porsche has been know to make a few good cars.
And for a guy who starts off comparing snes bashers to 12 year olds, you sure typed a lot for someone who is too old for console wars.
Anyone that makes non-sensical statements about such things has the air of someone who is proud of the only choice they could have made. Twleve year olds have no money, usually only get one system per generation, and many times turn into huge advocates of that system for no reason other than the fact that that's the one they have...which is a lame reason. Its pretty much like patriotism (ie: stupid).
I was trying to level the playing field, to defuse what has become silly. Its pretty easy for some tool to say that Bonk's Revenge is a better game than Yoshi's Island, but it usually takes more typing to prove that that guy has the asthetic sense of a Chia Pet collector.
The SNES is one of the greatest systems ever, IMO the greatest system ever. If you feel otherwise perhaps you should have bought Uniracers, or Yoshi's Island instead of Mortal Kombat, and Charles Barcley's Shut Up and Jam.
If you want to talk about how much the N64, the greatest disapointment in gaming history, totally sucks, overuses its FX, etc then I'll join right in with you. That thing was terrible.
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A "few" good SNES games? There are many more high quality games on the SNES than on the PCE (or ANY other system, for that matter). No doubt about it.
Well from a pure percentage standpoint, most games on most systems are shit. The PS probably has 40-50 good games, more than I'll ever really have time to play, but there are probably about 2000 PS releases, making the majority of the library total crap.
After all, Midway, Acclaim, etc all made SNES games, lots of them, and nearly all were junk.
The systems that avoid bloatware the best are usually ones with very small game libraries, and very little 3rd party support. The Neo Geo for example only has 2 or 3 total crap releases, but that's because the entire library is mostly either 1st party, or very very close 3rd party.
The Neo Geo Pocket from what I've seen only has one bad game (Dive Alert) and a bunch of Pachi-slot shit that doesn't even count, IMO.
The PCE has a pretty incredible quality ratio considering all the non-Hudson releases. PCE 3rd parties were the most original I can think of. Technos, and Naxat, those kind of companies. I miss that sort of development ethic.
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GUTS, I agree with you 100%. There are a few really good games that I keep my SNES around for, but for the most part, it's a useless machine. PCE Duo and Genesis both annihilate it.
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I'll chime in with this-
While I wasn't 12 when the snes came out in the US (15) and the effects were impressive for the first run on games. I had a GEN, Duo, and SNES systems. But it became apparent that the snes could so easily handle transparency layers, multiple BGs(up 4), and scaling/rotation that it just wasn't thrilling to see SNES do these effects anymore. It had an over saturation effect on me. I think this is what Nod is refering to. It's akin to watch the PS1 do the same effects and going, "wow!". The real special effect for the SNES was keeping it from slowing down and I'm serious when I say this. The only reason I beat Super EDF because one the weapons would cause slow down in the game by 70%.
Ratio wise the snes had more crap that good, but the snes did have a good amount of great games. Off the top of my head: Actraiser, FFVI, FFIV, Contra, Zelda(very little FX but ver fun game), Chrono Trigger, Lagoon, UN Squadron, Super Ghouls and Ghost, Super Mario World, Mystical Ninja, Ys III(Better than the MD version), Castlevania IV, Cybernator.
The more crap that came out for the SNES, the more I turned to import for the Duo. Genesis also follow this trend - Greendog, Verter Man(s), etc.
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I agree that there are many terrible SNES games, but there are many terrible games on every system (especially the PS1). The SNES was the biggest system on the market (by far!) and therefore it got a lot of games, so it is not surprising that there were many bad games released for it.
You can't compare game libraries by "ratio", because even if 99% of the SNES library sucks, that remaining 1% is still at least ten times bigger than the PCE's "good games" ratio.
However, both the PC Engine and the Mega Drive (especially the PC Engine) has games much worse than the worst SNES games. Games so bad that I just find it incredible that they actually got released.. or even developed! Look at "Basted" for example - it looks like someone's first attempt at making something in Basic. That game is just so insanely bad I can't express myself! :shock:
Try playing Basted. Just for laughs, or possibly a heart attack. It is by far the worst game I have ever played. For any platform. Even Minesweeper looks better graphically than that game.
Also: when I got my PC Engine system, my first feeling was disappointment. I realized there were only like ten must-play games on the system (must-play, not decent which seems to what most "good" PC Engine games appear to be. Look at Cosmic Fantasy 2, for example). When I got my second SNES (last year), the first feeling I had was excitement: now I can play all those hundreds (exaggeration) of awesome SNES games again! Fantastic! (I had a similiar feeling when I finally got around to modding my Mega Drive so that I could play imported games.)
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Basted was ahead of its time.
It had one town and, essentially, one maze (only the one leading to the last boss is really any kind of "dungeon"). Yet, it had a heavy focus on plot and cinematics. The cinemas were actually exceptional (the ones later in the game, that is--the ones early on were merely solid for the most part).
In this respect, it was a parody of the story-heavy, gameplay-light RPGs that dominate the marketplace today--and, of course, it was released before modern RPGs were EVEN MADE.
Thanks to such forethought on behalf of Basted's designers, we can confidently say that the work they put in was worthwhile. It served a purpose in the annals of gaming history. It's something unique: a parody of what was yet to come.
(Plus, the story is actually rather nice.)
Stuff like Zelda III, on the other hand, served no purpose and has no reason to still exist in this universe.
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Lots of people with lots of different opinions and ideas on what makes a great system. The key issue here is that you'll never be able to convince anyone otherwise...console loyalty is a religion in and of itself and like all religions, you cannot convince someone else that your idea is better than theirs.
An example: I found Zelda III to be one of the most fun games I've ever played. The storyline was crude and clichéd, Link looked like a drunken fat bastard, Zelda looked like a poorly-pixelled box of crackers, most of the enemies were lucky to have 3 frames per direction, the music was mostly forgettable, but the game was fun regardless and had tons of replay value...I still play it thru from time to time just for nostalgia's sake.
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Stuff like Zelda III, on the other hand, served no purpose and has no reason to still exist in this universe.
So that's why it is regarded as one of the best games in history, because it served no purpose? If you had actually played it instead of looking at screenshots (because it isn't that pretty), you'd know that it is very close to perfection for a 2D game. Zelda A Link to the Past is by far the most entertaining game I have ever played. The replay value is just incredible.
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I don't know if it could be called one of the greatest games in history, but it was definately a lot of fun and had high replayability, mainly because it was interesting (despite the sucky storyline) and wasn't too short and wasn't too long.
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I thought Zelda 3 was considered one of the best games because it happened to be a top-selling game on the top-selling system of the time. Luck, man, luck!
Anyways. Runinruder's defense of Basted sounded pretty tongue-in-cheek to me, so it's silly to get so worked up about it... although I agree that Basted is actually very fun and playable, as far as "bad" games go.
Compare that to stuff like Brainlord (SNES) and Lagoon (SNES), which aren't fun at all. If you step outside of RPGs, then there's Mo Hawk and Headphone Jack (SNES), which is far worse than Turbo/PCE duds like Keith Courage and Legion.
For me, the SNES was a system of disappointments. Zelda 3 was OK, but I'd say Ys has more replay value. How can I say that? Easy -- I've actually replayed Ys.
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Hell I've played through both Shenmue 1 and 2 more times each than I've played through Zelda 3. I still like Zelda 3, though.
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Ironically, I enjoyed Basted enough to play through it twice, while I've guided drunken, oafish Link through the junkyard that is Zelda III only once.
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I actually like Link's Awakening more than Link to the Past. Wind Waker is my favorite though.
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The key issue here is that you'll never be able to convince anyone otherwise...console loyalty is a religion in and of itself and like all religions, you cannot convince someone else that your idea is better than theirs.
Ah, so its exactly like patriotism then. I was giving people too much credit. My mistake.
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Basted was ahead of its time.
It had one town and, essentially, one maze (only the one leading to the last boss is really any kind of "dungeon"). Yet, it had a heavy focus on plot and cinematics. The cinemas were actually exceptional (the ones later in the game, that is--the ones early on were merely solid for the most part).
In this respect, it was a parody of the story-heavy, gameplay-light RPGs that dominate the marketplace today--and, of course, it was released before modern RPGs were EVEN MADE.
Thanks to such forethought on behalf of Basted's designers, we can confidently say that the work they put in was worthwhile. It served a purpose in the annals of gaming history. It's something unique: a parody of what was yet to come.
(Plus, the story is actually rather nice.)
Stuff like Zelda III, on the other hand, served no purpose and has no reason to still exist in this universe.
Zig beat me to the punch, but he didn't praise your post like I thought he would. Runin, this is one of the most creative posts I've read in a long time. Friggin' brilliant. It brought a tear to my eye... no joke. :)
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The key issue here is that you'll never be able to convince anyone otherwise...console loyalty is a religion in and of itself and like all religions, you cannot convince someone else that your idea is better than theirs.
Ah, so its exactly like patriotism then. I was giving people too much credit. My mistake.
Don't worry SignOfZeta, there's no reason to renounce your faith in people just quite yet. Opinions *can* be changed with the right words, with the right evidence, and with a little bit of first-hand exposure to something they've never played. The problem here is that you're trying to teach people that the SNES is a good system, which is flatly incorrect.
Hopefully, with time, I will be able to cure you of your SNES patriotism.
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I think ive had an epiphany. All this time, ive been enjoying games on many different systems. It turns out it was all a bit fat lie. From this point on, i will like one, and ONLY one system. Everything else will be junk. SNES? too many graphic effects. Xbox? PS1&2? The disks are too big. Gamecube? The disks read backwards, and that defies the theory of relativity. Genesis? it had crappy controller ports. And all the rest. Junk.
There can be only one!
Phillips CD-i.
(http://www.philipscdi.com/players/cdi_910.jpg)
(ps, im being sarcastic. Cant we all just get along? :( )
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Dude I've played ever SNES game ever released in the US, and on actual cartridges to boot. You know how many I care to replay? About 10. You know how many Genesis and Duo games I still like to play? A f*cking shitload more than that. So yeah, the SNES has a FEW good games.
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GUTS has also played a TON of import SNES games. I know this because he traded them all to me, since he didn't want that crap anymore.
I kind of like Umihara Kawase, though.
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Dude I've played ever SNES game ever released in the US, and on actual cartridges to boot. You know how many I care to replay? About 10. You know how many Genesis and Duo games I still like to play? A f*cking shitload more than that. So yeah, the SNES has a FEW good games.
Wait, Genesis? OK, I get it, you're just f*cking with me now. You really had me going there for a minute. Heh he, Genesis. Yeah, good one.
I'm a huge Sega fan, but not because MK1 had fatalities in it. The Genesis was easily the worst Sega system.
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I had to double-check the opening post again to remember what this thread was about. Sheesh, Aaron should just open a console advocacy forum so you guys can keep this sort of thing centralized.
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I like CF2.
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I'm a huge Sega fan, but not because MK1 had fatalities in it. The Genesis was easily the worst Sega system.
Hrm...I always figured the Genesis to be the BEST Sega system since it got the most software support during the life cycle of ANY Sega console. The Saturn had a few games I loved (most notably, Dark Savior) and of course, the SMS with the original Phantasy Star is just plain classic, but the Genesis really, IMO, had the largest selection of titles I liked (the Sonic series, PSIV, a great Strider port, and even some oldies like Jewel Master and Columns). But again, it's all a matter of taste.
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Wow, this thread is almost spawning in as many directions as the PCE vs Genesis vs SNES thread. I'll do what I always do in threads like this, USE MY NUMBER TOPIC SYSTEM!
1. ) Runin, outstanding Basted defense.
2. ) I like a Link to the Past and don't consider it trash like Nick Evil and the gang do, but it's definitely not my favorite game in the series and I haven't really beat it more than once - more like once and a half and some quick boot ups. The variety of items and their uses in dungeons were enough to entertain me in the game.
3. ) I agree with grahf, we should stick with the one and only CD-i.
4. ) I think SNES is loaded with just as many fun games as the Turbo and Genesis, but I still give the edge to Turbo and Genesis anyday.
5. ) Genesis is Sega's worst system? :lol: No need to further comment.
6. ) I agree with malducci, I like CF2.
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Yeah the "Genesis is the worst Sega system" comment is easily the most insane thing said in this entire thread, and that includes the parts where somebody compared not liking the snes to patriotism and said Zelda III was a masterpiece.
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And don't forget the Chrono Trigger praising part of this thread, that was pretty insane too.
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Let me ask this to everybody: What's your favorite system?
To the people who says Mega Drive and/or SNES sucks, and then says PCE/TG is the best system ever: a big :roll: for you.
Also: play Basted everybody! Laughter/heart attacks for everyone!
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To the people who says Mega Drive and/or SNES sucks, and then says PCE/TG is the best system ever: a big :roll: for you.
Hey Captain Obvious...you're on a PCE fan forum. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hey Captain Obvious...you're on a PCE fan forum. WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Yeah but my point is that the 16-bit war is over. Totally over. And people are still fighting. :roll:
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Yeah but my point is that the 16-bit war is over. Totally over. And people are still fighting. :roll:
Seldane is right about this. We have been resurrecting the "console wars" of yore.
It is fun, as long as nobody takes it too seriously. :)
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16-bit wars are great. By the way, Seldane, I don't think there is a PCE fan here that says both Genesis and SNES suck. Maybe one of the two but never both. And if there, shame on them because I find it hard to be a PCE fan without being a Genesis or a SNES fan. One of the reasons why I love PCE so much is because to me it got the best from both worlds of the Genesis and SNES, both hardware and software-wise. Example; speed from Genesis, colors from SNES; action games from Genesis, RPGs from SNES :) .
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I'm a huge Sega fan, but not because MK1 had fatalities in it. The Genesis was easily the worst Sega system.
Hrm...I always figured the Genesis to be the BEST Sega system since it got the most software support during the life cycle of ANY Sega console. The Saturn had a few games I loved (most notably, Dark Savior) and of course, the SMS with the original Phantasy Star is just plain classic, but the Genesis really, IMO, had the largest selection of titles I liked (the Sonic series, PSIV, a great Strider port, and even some oldies like Jewel Master and Columns). But again, it's all a matter of taste.
Well, if I owned stock in Sega in 1992, then I'd say I liked the Genesis the best because that's back when Sega actually made money. It was Sega's most popular machine in the US, therefore I can see the console warriors getting behind it. Its kind of like the WWII for patriots.
Even the worst Sega system is still a nice system, but I feel that it can't compare to the Saturn, or DC for many reasons.
From a hardware perspective, just chips and that sort of thing, the Mega Drive was weak sauce compared to its counterparts; the PCE, and the SuFami. As mentioned elsewhere on this forum the MD hardware didn't really excell at anything. It was resonably fast, so it did much better with shooters than the SuFami, but ultimatly the PCE is a better shooter system.
From a software perspective things are even worse. As we know, most software is crap so that leaves it up the small percentage of good stuff to define the machine. I really like Sonic 1, and 2, Phansaty Star IV, and Gunstar Heroes. I recently had a chance to get an X'Eye for a very good price, but I turned it down because I really don't know what I would play on it. Nobody wants to play garbage sports games from EA now that they are 10 years old, least of all me since I hate sports games. The same goes for movie licensed titles, or stuff based on toys and comic books. Anything that is multi-playform is almost always better on SNES (Ninja Turtles: Tournament Fighters, Street Fighter II, etc.
The Saturn gave us Guardian Heroes, Radient Silvergun, Sakura Wars, Bomberman SS, Fighters Megamix, VF2, Death Tank Zwei, great shooters...just amazing (Parodius, Salamander, DoDonpatchi, Batsugun, on and on and on), three Panzer Dragoon games, and a metric shitload of amazingly great ports of Capcom, and SNK fighters.
The DC gave us two more Sakura Wars games (part 3 is the best) more shooters, more fighters, Shenmue 2, Skies of Arcadia, Grandia 2, and Rez. Mother f*cking *REZ*, man.
I don't recall the MD doing anything like that. Not even close.
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I love all Sega systems as well, but the DC is my least favorite system from the company. Granted there were some freakin' awesome games on the system (REZ doesn't really toot my horn, but whatever), but I could not stand the controller and how loud the system was when the laser moved. At least I could use the Total Control 3 and plug in a Saturn controller for the fighting games, though. The VMU pisses me off and I hate hearing it whine whenever I power up the console, and I am not about to replace the batteries in the thing.
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SignOfZeta:
You just basically admitted that you like the Genesis the least of the Sega systems (something along the lines of "sucks") even though it was extremely successful and popular in the US in it's run in the 16bit wars, but you blast someone/anyone else from thinking the SNES sucks? Believe it or not, but a person's opinion that a system "sucks" might not even be relative to it's success, popularity, or even it technical prowness.
Whats up with the "patriot" analogies? I, myself, prefer car analogies :D
On another note: I feel the complete opposite of Seldane. I just don't get really excited about playing SNES anymore or about seeing a new game I hadn't known before on the system. Atleast not in the way I do for PCE and SuperCD (MegaCD too). I still occasionally use my SNES and SNES emus. Maybe I'm just burnt out on SNES.
16bit wars are geat, though! I remember when EGM posted specs between all three system. Genesis was listed as have the ability to do polygons :lol: That was classic. And it was so obvious the editor was biased in favor of Genesis over Snes. Then again, EGM always was.
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I love all Sega systems as well, but the DC is my least favorite system from the company. Granted there were some freakin' awesome games on the system (REZ doesn't really toot my horn, but whatever), but I could not stand the controller and how loud the system was when the laser moved. At least I could use the Total Control 3 and plug in a Saturn controller for the fighting games, though. The VMU pisses me off and I hate hearing it whine whenever I power up the console, and I am not about to replace the batteries in the thing.
Yeah, I hate the DC pad. Its very very very badly designed. It sucks for fighters, and it cramps my hands terribly. Because of thise I very rarely use it. Usually I use a Saturn Vitura Stick Pro, or a regular Saturn pad. Only games that require analog sticks, or the VMU slot actually get me to plug the standard pad in. All racing games are played with the Thrustmaster wheel.
To me though a "system" is identified by the software, and internals and during the DCs short lifespan its software totally trounced the so-called competition. I mean, seriously, compare the DC with the last year of PS1, and the first year of PS2. Its a clear victory for Sega, and this was never the case with other Sega systems. Shit, the DC only had two real years of serious support. The PS2 didn't even get a good game until it was out for two years. All those great DC games came out in an amazingly short period of time. It could have been even better obviously if VF4 and Panzer Dragoon Orta weren't hijacked for other machines, and Shenmue wasn't left without a home. What a waste...
...but my favorite is still the Saturn :)
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Whats up with the "patriot" analogies? I, myself, prefer car analogies :D
Its simple. A patriot is someone who thinks the country he lives is the best in the world simply because he lives in it. It sounds very egotistical at first, but really its just ignorance. He doesn't know what else is on offer. The same thing is true of people who only have one game machine for whatever reason (usually economic). They bought a Genesis, got it for Xmas, found it in a pawn shop for $5, whatever so they think its the best when really they just don't know what else is out there.
I was lucky/irresponsible/old enough to have bought all three major 16-bit systems during their original lifespan. My impression at the time is that the SNES had the best big-budget mainstream stuff (Tetris Attack, FFVI, Super Street Fighter II, Yoshi's Island) the PCE had the most original and artistic games (Photo Boy, Chouainiki, Momotaro) and the Genesis...didn't really have the most, or best of anything.
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Its simple. A patriot is someone who thinks the country he lives is the best in the....
No, I meant: what's up with the repeative use of. Implying that it might be one your favorite analogies. Like I said, mine is car analogies :D
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He keeps using it because it makes him feel superior to everyone else and he thinks that anybody who disagrees with him about the SNES being the best system does it purely out of ignorance and narrow-mindedness. It hasn't occured to him yet that he's the only one in this debate displaying those qualities.
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The Dreamcast was able to have many rapidly-produced games of good quality because of how the system was set up. Most developers in this world know how to code for a Windows environment, so it was just a matter of making little tweaks here and there to get the software to work within a strict hardware set under CE.
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He keeps using it because it makes him feel superior to everyone else and he thinks that anybody who disagrees with him about the SNES being the best system does it purely out of ignorance and narrow-mindedness.
Yep!
It hasn't occured to him yet that he's the only one in this debate displaying those qualities.
Of course, this topic may have died without me. I'm doing God's work here!
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The Dreamcast was able to have many rapidly-produced games of good quality because of how the system was set up. Most developers in this world know how to code for a Windows environment, so it was just a matter of making little tweaks here and there to get the software to work within a strict hardware set under CE.
Well it was easy to program for, but not because of CE. Almost no games use CE. I can't think of any good ones that do.
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Sega Rally 2 used CE, I believe. And look how the framerate stuttered! They should have at least used Mac OS 9 for that game. :)
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Sega Rally 2 used CE, I believe. And look how the framerate stuttered! They should have at least used Mac OS 9 for that game. :)
Oh yeah, Sega Rally 2. Isn't there a code or something that locks the framerate to 30fps so you won't barf or something? I thought there was. Low frame rate is no problem, rapid random switching framerates...disquieting...
Other than SR2, I know Spirit of Speed 1937 uses CE. That was a great idea for a game, but a really horrible execution. Some pedophiliac galget crap uses it as well.
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I think framerate is extremely important. The most important factor of all, actually.
If the scrolling isn't COMPLETELY ultra-smooth, I can't play the game. That's why I prefer old consoles like MD, PCE, SNES, etc - always perfect framerate (from what I've played, anyway).
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I think framerate is extremely important. The most important factor of all, actually.
If the scrolling isn't COMPLETELY ultra-smooth, I can't play the game. That's why I prefer old consoles like MD, PCE, SNES, etc - always perfect framerate (from what I've played, anyway).
After all the mud that has been slung about the SNES in this retarded thread already, you're opening up another can of worms with that one. :)
Anyway, I can think of a few more DC games that used Win CE, almost all ports of Windows games. IIRC, the only reason Sega Rally 2 used CE was at the time Sega's own development libraries didn't have any working netcode (and Sega Rally 2 was playable online in Japan).
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After all the mud that has been slung about the SNES in this retarded thread already, you're opening up another can of worms with that one. :)
I never said anything bad about the SNES (at least not in this thread). I love every old video game system, but I tend to complain about them at times. :wink:
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Well it was easy to program for, but not because of CE. Almost no games use CE. I can't think of any good ones that do.
Oh, I wasn't aware that few games used CE, I was always told that most of them did. Ah well, learn something new every day. :D
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After all the mud that has been slung about the SNES in this retarded thread already, you're opening up another can of worms with that one. :)
I never said anything bad about the SNES (at least not in this thread). I love every old video game system, but I tend to complain about them at times. :wink:
You misunderstood me. I happen to like the SNES as well, but bringing up framerates along with the SNES is bound to inspire the SNES haters in this thread. After all, slowdown in many games was a real weakness of the SNES. :)