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Title: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Otaking on July 03, 2016, 06:55:28 AM
You're voting for which is better for every console variation/expansion and game ever released in CD-Rom format for either the PC Engine/TurboGrafx or Mega Drive/Genesis.
Inspired by below new Happy Console Gamer video he just uploaded and because I like versus polls. :P https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8P1_aJVGI
PS this is just for fun, try not to be a dick. :lol:
Title: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: esteban on July 03, 2016, 07:40:41 AM
I can't see any poll...
But I'll be back later!
UPDATE: Obviously, if we are voting on THE WHOLE CABOODLE, then TG-CD/DUO wins, hands down.
For ever and ever.
Amen.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: rxmage on July 03, 2016, 07:46:06 AM
Sega had some good cd games, but I feel they tried to stick with FMV too long. NEC on the other hand, seemed to understand sooner where the real power of cd enhanced games could take the gaming experience and then came out with some truly incredible games.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 03, 2016, 07:52:47 AM
So we're supposed to weigh the hardware of the CD-ROM a particular amount, combined with the libraries?
I don't think that technical superiority on any level is enough to tip the balance of the massive and high quality library of Turbo/PCE CD games.
Most people tend to agree in Sega forums too, so you won't find any kind of radical bias here, at least in favor of Turbo/PCE. There are still too many people here and in other forums who don't have a clue what was actually released for Sega/Mega-CD and insist that it's mostly/all "fmv crap".
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: WoodyXP on July 03, 2016, 04:39:36 PM
I gave the nod to NEC. Developers made better use of the platform. Had the Sega CD received the same level of support it would have been top dog.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: SignOfZeta on July 03, 2016, 05:36:46 PM
Please. Only the most hardcore Sega fanboy would say anything other than PCE. I love the Sega CD but they did so little with it and not for very long.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: TR0N on July 03, 2016, 07:28:05 PM
Own both but in terms of quality the turbo-cd has it in spades.I do enjoy the sega-cd for the likes of popful mail,lunar tsss etc but it's out number by crappy fmv games.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Keith Courage on July 03, 2016, 09:47:42 PM
SEGA CD is much better because it has Marky Mark (http://www.museumofplay.org/online-collections/images/Z007/Z00770/Z0077016.jpg)
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Groover on July 04, 2016, 01:46:36 AM
As someone who has had their Sega CD since launch I still think TurboGrafx CD wins this.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Dicer on July 04, 2016, 02:33:32 AM
As stated by others, Turbo CD was used in a better way...none of that FMV mess.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: poponon on July 04, 2016, 02:39:50 AM
pce-cd just on size of library and number of worthwhile games. Sega CD has its fair share of great games though, and is definitely a worthwhile console. 32x on the other hand......
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: retro junkie on July 04, 2016, 02:59:25 AM
There is really no contest. I had both during their "Glory days." I kept waiting for Sega to figure out what their CD attachment was for. Except for a few gems, total disappointment. When my Sega CD died, I dumped the games. I had no interest to seek out another Sega CD attachment.
But the Turbo totally got it right. Love my Turbo Duo.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 04, 2016, 03:08:54 AM
As stated by others, Turbo CD was used in a better way...none of that FMV mess.
Turbo and PCE CD games do have fmv and only a small percentage of the Sega/Mega-CD library can be considered "fmv games".
Yeah. The term "FMV" is used way too many times in this thread by people who obviously haven't actually taken a good look at the system. It's probably more accurate to say that Sega's marketing term was all about FMV and that's why it's still the only thing that comes to mind for most people.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 04, 2016, 07:03:41 AM
The games that are considered straight-"fmv" style as far as gameplay are titles like Dragon's Lair and Space Ace. That kind of gameplay is popular today and featured in many of the biggest hit games which win "Game of the Year" awards.
I don't understand the stigma associated with Sega-CD games which feature fmv. If you only count the kind I described, it's not a lot and people love the gameplay when they don't think a Sega-CD is connected. The rest of the Sega-CD games that contain fmv are traditional genre games. I think that games with fmv only nake up 18% of the worldwide Sega/Mega-CD library.
Of all the lame stereotypes casual retro enthusiasts pick up, the Sega-CD "fmv crap" is the worst.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Dicer on July 04, 2016, 08:25:45 AM
I am fully aware that SegaCD isn't all FMV, but it is a large share of it's catalog...I'm also aware that a few titles on our beloved Turbo delved into FMV territory.
But yes between both platforms, the Turbo/PCE-CD has more to offer overall, not only in sheer volume, but variety of content, esp if you are a Japanese reading/speaking individual.
I shouldn't have to expand on my original answer, but hell here it is...
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: ShaneRC51 on July 04, 2016, 09:16:25 AM
FMV Crap =
Sewer Shark Tomcat Alley Night Trap Ground Zero Texas Etc...
Those kinds of games forever ruined my memories of Sega CD. There were some great games, like Final Fight CD, Out of this World, Lunar, The Terminator, and one of my favs, Silpheed. As much as I liked those games, I still get an ulcer when thinking about Sega CD because of those damned FMV games.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: TR0N on July 04, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
Sewer Shark Tomcat Alley Night Trap Ground Zero Texas Etc...
Those kinds of games forever ruined my memories of Sega CD. There were some great games, like Final Fight CD, Out of this World, Lunar, The Terminator, and one of my favs, Silpheed. As much as I liked those games, I still get an ulcer when thinking about Sega CD because of those damned FMV games.
Well...then you're stupid. That's the only way to put it.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Necromancer on July 05, 2016, 06:50:52 AM
In terms of libraries, the PCE mops the floor with the FEKA CD. It has some damn fine games (Flink is a personal favorite), but the PCE has 10x more.
It's hard to pick a clear winner on hardware capabilities. Each has its advantages: the FEKA with a speedy cpu, hardware scaling and rotation, and more ram than Super CD; the PCE-CD still with more colors and gobs of rame with the Arcade Card.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: geise on July 05, 2016, 07:30:50 AM
I'll take bigger sprites and more colors any day of the week. Not to mention no Ys Book I & II, Spriggan, or Gate of Thunder.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on July 05, 2016, 06:06:13 PM
man, this is definitely a no brainer. The turbo/pc engine cd had a ton more variety of games and much better ones too! I won't lie, sega cd has some good games and all but can't come close to the higher power that is pc engine/turbo cd!!!!
All hail nec!
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: BigusSchmuck on July 06, 2016, 02:30:37 AM
You ask this on a PCE/Turbo forum? Seriously? Sega never had a killer app for their Sega CD whereas NEC had at least a dozen. Enough said.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Otaking on July 06, 2016, 02:31:13 AM
I prefer the PC Engine CD, but the few times I've seen this same subject come up on other forums normally the Mega-CD/Sega CD comes out on top. To give examples I was searching some other forums where I'd seen it discussed in the past but couldn't find the threads.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Otaking on July 06, 2016, 02:35:46 AM
You ask this on a PCE/Turbo forum? Seriously? Sega never had a killer app for their Sega CD whereas NEC had at least a dozen. Enough said.
For Sega-CD:
Shining Force CD Lunar EB Keio Flying Squadron Robo Aleste Snatcher The Space Adventure
Mega-CD:
Shadowrun Urusei Yatsura
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: geise on July 06, 2016, 04:40:21 AM
Why play Robo Aleste when you can play Spriggan? I would take Bari-Arm over Robo Aleste. It was such a let down. There are some great games on the Sega CD just few and far between. The library is way smaller.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: majors on July 06, 2016, 05:15:02 AM
This poll/thread has to be a new kind of filter to purge the Sega fanboy accounts from PCFX.
Title: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: esteban on July 06, 2016, 05:34:52 AM
MORE: Le Musique.
The Sega CD/Mega CD has a wealth of Red Book tunes that I, sadly, only know about 30-50% of.
For example, Nostalgia 1907 has a soundtrack that I really dig (for whatever reason, don't get too excited). Anyway, I really like listening to it when I work.
Only for MEGA CD.
:)
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 06, 2016, 06:34:23 AM
Why play Robo Aleste when you can play Spriggan? I would take Bari-Arm over Robo Aleste. It was such a let down. There are some great games on the Sega CD just few and far between. The library is way smaller.
Canceling out games is only what console war fans do. Why not play all the good 16-bit games? If Sonic and Mario cancel each other out, then neither is a killer app.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: geise on July 06, 2016, 07:09:33 AM
Canceling out games is only what console war fans do. Why not play all the good 16-bit games? If Sonic and Mario cancel each other out, then neither is a killer app.
I just don't think Robo Aleste is a good game. I owned the Sega CD around the same time I got my Duo back in the day. I enjoyed both, just the Duo a lot more.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Otaking on July 06, 2016, 08:38:30 AM
I've always maintained that Spriggan is a far superior game to Musha Aleste let alone Robo Aleste. Spriggan is an absolute masterpiece, those other two are average at best.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on July 06, 2016, 08:42:14 AM
My vote goes to Sega CD. See!?
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Gypsy on July 06, 2016, 08:47:38 AM
I've always maintained that Spriggan is a far superior game to Musha Aleste let alone Robo Aleste. Spriggan is an absolute masterpiece, those other two are average at best.
YES.
Anyway, I'm not really adding anything here but yeah it's PCE CD by a mile. The Sega CD library pales in comparison.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 06, 2016, 08:51:16 AM
I've never liked Musha, ever since renting it and playing through a couple times when it first came out. Just like Sylphia, few people cared about it for years until collectards heard that Complie might be involved. Then it instantly became an uber rare and legendary game. Robo Aleste is more interesting. I still like Musha more than a lot of games because it's still a decent game and a shooter, but I just find it boring.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Gentlegamer on July 06, 2016, 08:54:14 AM
Choosing FEKA CD auto-bans your account.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Gypsy on July 06, 2016, 08:55:57 AM
I've never liked Musha, ever since renting it and playing through a couple times when it first came out. Just like Sylphia, few people cared about it for years until collectards heard that Complie might be involved. Then it instantly became an uber rare and legendary game. Robo Aleste is more interesting. I still like Musha more than a lot of games because it's still a decent game and a shooter, but I just find it boring.
Games aren't fun until they are rare and collectible obviously.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Sarumaru on July 06, 2016, 12:34:11 PM
This thread should have just been called "PCE/TGCD was better, do you agree?". Because obvs :mrgreen:
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: TR0N on July 06, 2016, 02:07:54 PM
No problem if it was for the ost on ecco the dolphin i can understand :wink: :wink:
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: xelement5x on July 07, 2016, 07:09:10 AM
I have seen iterations of this thread many times and I'll say what I always do:
In terms of US only releases, I feel like the SegaCD has a better library.
But in terms of a global or even Japananese only market, the PCE CD family is the clear leader.
In Japan the MegaDrive was nowhere near as popular, and the devs and amount of money and time spent on producing titles for it pales in comparison to what was put into the PCE CD. I love them both and play and collect for them both, and both have some excellent exclusive titles too.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Bonknuts on July 07, 2016, 09:31:48 AM
SegaCD is like that one time you got a random hookup in college, and they were super cute, but the sex wasn't much to write about. You still think about it from time to time; a strange mixture of disappointment and admiration (she was super cute).
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Gredler on July 07, 2016, 09:50:10 AM
This thread is the pcefx thread equivalent of a rhetorical question asked by a musician during a concert.
"Any metal fans here tonight?"
"Are you ready to rock?"
"I can't hear you!"
"Hey PCEfx forum, is the PCE better than FEKA?!"
*Crowd roads incoherently*
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Punch on July 07, 2016, 03:31:18 PM
:lol: pretty much
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: kosko99 on July 07, 2016, 07:30:23 PM
I recently bought a Sega CD and if we are talking about catalogue only I'd say TurboCD wins (imho). Sometimes I got troubles to pick a game to play on the NEC console because I couldn't decide on so many games to try. On the other hand, when seeing the Sega CD games I had troubles to pick a "non meh" game... sega got few good CD games like Sonic, Final Fight, Shining Force and such, but as for the rest ugh...
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: spenoza on July 08, 2016, 07:10:50 AM
Better is such a loaded word... Technically, the Sega Genny + CD is extremely powerful and should crush the competition hands-down (with the exception of more limited color reproduction). But the catalog is kind of a dog. There are some good titles, but not enough. The PCE CD catalog is so much stronger it's not even a fair fight. Technical specs don't mean a damn thing if they aren't used to good purposes. And two of the better Sega CD games are lackluster SuperCD ports (I guess Dungeon Explorer is different enough it might not be a straight port?).
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: esteban on July 08, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Better is such a loaded word... Technically, the Sega Genny + CD is extremely powerful and should crush the competition hands-down (with the exception of more limited color reproduction). But the catalog is kind of a dog. There are some good titles, but not enough. The PCE CD catalog is so much stronger it's not even a fair fight. Technical specs don't mean a damn thing if they aren't used to good purposes. And two of the better Sega CD games are lackluster SuperCD ports (I guess Dungeon Explorer is different enough it might not be a straight port?).
Dungeon Explorer on Sega CD...is just a different sort of game. It's OK, I suppose (I haven't really been excited by it), but it certainly is not awesomely fun like the PCE Dungeon Explorer.
Overall, the Sega/Mega-CD library just isn't as interesting to me as the PCE.
:)
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Bonknuts on July 08, 2016, 07:45:03 PM
Baked potatoes are loaded. Better is subjective and applicable at the same time.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: crazydean on July 09, 2016, 09:13:31 AM
I just bought a US Sega-CD. I haven't had much time to play it, but the load times are way faster than my PCE Duo. Is this typical?
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 09, 2016, 09:48:29 AM
I just bought a US Sega-CD. I haven't had much time to play it, but the load times are way faster than my PCE Duo. Is this typical?
I'd say that my Duo is faster at loading the initial game, but it varies between level/mode. I spent the afternoon exploring a Mega CD I bought a decade ago ( http://segaretro.org/Game_no_Kanzume_Vol.2 ) and was upset that until last week I couldn't actually play the f*cking thing. Initial load is pretty rough, and reboot is slow, but each game itself loads up quickly. Then again, many of these were early 90s downloadable over modem...
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 10, 2016, 10:12:46 AM
I choose both! There's more than just FMV games on the Sega CD just like there's more than just sports games on the Genesis. If that taints your memories then that's your problem.
I'm betting that if NEC could, they would have been all over the FMV bandwagon. Nowhere along the line did they say "Let's stick to good, real games because we feel that's a better use of the technology". The problem with Sega is that they had the budget, the marketing and the CPU to make lots and lots of FMV games. They took that money and made it so the FMV was eventually full screen. Of course I'm not saying those games were good, but Sega of America heavily invested in it and advertised it, thus is was. Wasn't really the case in Japan. Road Avenger is the tits, though. NEC's first FMV product on their system was also less-than-stellar. Sherlock Holmes paused every few seconds whereas the Sega CD version did not. "But Joe... the Turbo version has 512 horizontal pixels so much sharper!!!" Would you rather watch a Blu-ray where the video paused every few seconds or a DVD that plays smoothly for the entire duration? I thought so. They shouldn't have done such a high resolution. That was a dumb decision. Needless to say the genre thankfully didn't catch on like some thought it would.
Hardware-wise I appreciated that Sega added more to theirs in the terms of 133t FX and more processing power. NEC's product is basically just a TurboGrafx-16 with a CD player and an additional sound chip. This may be seen as a weakness but at the end of the day it was a strength, because that makes it harder for them to make stuff like FMV games. Magical Dinosaur Tour is truly what the system is all about though.
EDIT: Another thing I'd like to add is that Sega of Japan never really learned how to make proper games for their own system. No Japanese developer really did. It was the Europeans and Americans who got BY FAR the most out of that scaling and rotation hardware. Japan was very inept and making games for the thing. A few exceptions of course, but generally it was just lazy programming over there.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Bonknuts on July 10, 2016, 10:31:47 AM
EDIT: Another thing I'd like to add is that Sega of Japan never really learned how to make proper games for their own system. No Japanese developer really did. It was the Europeans and Americans Europeans working for American companies who got BY FAR the most out of that scaling and rotation hardware. Japan was very inept and making games for the thing. A few exceptions of course, but generally it was just lazy programming over there.
Fixed for you.
I've looked at a lot of Japanese code (well, most of it on the PCE, but others have reported the same thing on other systems like the NES, SNES, etc). Japanese greatest strength is their game design, but their worst attribute is generally inefficient or un-optimal use of hardware. You get a few exceptions, but it's not the norm. If it's there and easy to use, you'll see it in game.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: esteban on July 10, 2016, 03:27:37 PM
"Sub-optimal".... Damn, that is an interesting pattern, if it is accurate.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 10, 2016, 04:03:54 PM
The PC Engine can do large windows of fmv just fine and those lazy persons of Japanese descent were the ones who proved it with Yuna and Gulliver Boy.
It just wasn't deemed worthwhile by Hudson.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Necromancer on July 11, 2016, 05:25:01 AM
I'm betting that if NEC could, they would have been all over the FMV bandwagon. Nowhere along the line did they say "Let's stick to good, real games because we feel that's a better use of the technology".
Agreed. If HuVideo was part of the dev kit when Super CDs came out, I'm sure we'd have seen it used in lots of games; I doubt there'd be much stuff like Sewer Shark or Make My Video, but I'm sure it would've been used a lot for cut scenes, especially in rpgs and digi-comics.
Magical Dinosaur Tour is truly what the system is all about though.
:lol:
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 11, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
Personally I always liked PCE-style cutscenes vs the FMV anime cutscenes just because I like the clean colors vs the grainy colors. I like Popful Mail's intro on the Sega CD more than I like Keio Flying Squadron's for this reason. One thing that I've noticed in a lot of low-budget PCE CDs (those that usually remained in Japan) is that there was no music behind most of the dialog, they sounded like they were in a small room and the only animation would be moving lips. I prefer a little more effort than that.
PS - Is the guy behind the Batman Returns engine on Sega CD European? I forget the dude's name but would remember if I read it. I'll just call him Brian Green for now.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: spenoza on July 11, 2016, 02:46:12 PM
Japanese greatest strength is their game design, but their worst attribute is generally inefficient or un-optimal use of hardware. You get a few exceptions, but it's not the norm. If it's there and easy to use, you'll see it in game.
If there's only enough budget for either more efficient/optimal code OR more polishing of the core game design, I'd opt for the latter, so I don't know that that's a problem, really, unless there was time and money for both and they simply didn't have the talent for the former.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: elmer on July 11, 2016, 04:26:09 PM
PS - Is the guy behind the Batman Returns engine on Sega CD European? I forget the dude's name but would remember if I read it. I'll just call him Brian Green for now.
I assume that you're talking about the driving game, and not Andy Green's 2D side-scroller sections.
It was a guy called John O'Brien, Irish. He did a bunch of driving games back in the UK for Ocean which is how he got the gig.
Batman Returns was made by Acme Interactive/Malibu Interactive (same company, different names per-merger vs post-merger).
Bob Jacobs (of CinemaWare and TV Sports fame) founded Acme Interactive and head-hunted a bunch of guys from the UK for his new company.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 14, 2016, 12:10:26 PM
He did the best work on the system outside of Core.
Which is another English company that Bob raided for talent, bringing most of the original founders over to California. For example ... Andy Green, who did the 2D sections on Batman Returns.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 14, 2016, 12:38:46 PM
Those 2D sections were just awful. However Core also did Battlecorps and Soul Star which were amazing graphically. Not-so-much BC Racers though.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: elmer on July 14, 2016, 01:06:38 PM
I'm betting that if NEC could, they would have been all over the FMV bandwagon. Nowhere along the line did they say "Let's stick to good, real games because we feel that's a better use of the technology".
Agreed. If HuVideo was part of the dev kit when Super CDs came out, I'm sure we'd have seen it used in lots of games; I doubt there'd be much stuff like Sewer Shark or Make My Video, but I'm sure it would've been used a lot for cut scenes, especially in rpgs and digi-comics.
Magical Dinosaur Tour is truly what the system is all about though.
:lol:
I believe this is true, but the fact that it was so far from reality illustrates one of my favorite things about NEC systems; there was almost no development outside of Japan. If there were then they'd being using programmers that actually get paid and were allowed to go home every day, there would have been software tool R&D, but there also might have been Dick Vitale's Awsome Baby College Hoops spread across 3 CDs with radical FMV segments and the six part series might have made so much money that it wasn't worth translating good RPGs (which barely happened anyway). It's good to have one system like this.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 14, 2016, 02:39:39 PM
Madden Duo CD Football is a $0 budget peek at that alternate reality.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Alt-Nintega2 on July 14, 2016, 02:54:26 PM
Is Mega CD better than Sega CD? The word MEGA sounds cooler. Is it better?
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 14, 2016, 03:40:55 PM
but there also might have been Dick Vitale's Awsome Baby College Hoops spread across 3 CDs with radical FMV segments
That would have been truly awesome. Then on future consoles we could have crossovers like Scottie Pippin X Dick Vitale Super Turbo EX plus Alpha Dash spread across 16 Blu-rays (4 for each quarter).
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: martinine on July 17, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Late to the party:
When I was a kid I LOVED...both...
But ultimately found Sega CD more accessible. No store in my suburban/rural town carried TG16. I had to drive at least an hour to get anything (which is why I only had a few games for my Turbo). If I could convince my parents into buying a game for me, it would be tough to also get them to drive an hour to scoop a TG16 game, so I more often played Sega CD. Also the Blockbuster Video carried Genesis and SNES but no Turbo.
Now, in hindsight, and multifaceted adult opinion, I vote Turbo CD. I won't knock anything on Sega CD except that Sega should have added video out through the cd, so the Genesis could compete in the "colors on screen" market place. There are many games I love on both systems, but in overall playability, I choose Turbo. The Ys series builds a really solid foundation for me here. Snatcher on Sega CD.
Make no mistake. It's really very close for me, but I think, if we are including all PCE CD titles it's a no brainer. My copies of Kamen Rider Zo, Lunar, and Night Trap are pulling their nostalgia spades though!
Great thread. I've really enjoyed reeading what everyone thought as this is a question I often ponder.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: esteban on July 17, 2016, 05:05:41 PM
WARNING: I am spamming this on the other thread, too. But the discussion really belongs here...
Ben Heck says...
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/ben_heck1.jpg)
...but note that he is not using using the upgraded SCD System Card...
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Bonknuts on July 17, 2016, 07:50:51 PM
Ben Heck is just a console modder. He doesn't know anything about actually coding or specs on these old systems (even more obvious by his comparison pic). Why do people turn to him for areas he's not an expert or even qualified in?
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 18, 2016, 03:28:18 AM
Ben Heck has made some hilariously bad spec comments in the past. I think that he was foolish enough to do a comparison between SNES and Genesis and said the same stupid things SNES fanboys do about it being a hi-res sprite monster.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Joe Redifer on July 18, 2016, 01:41:43 PM
He didn't even get the Genesis speeds right. It's 7.67 or 7.68Mhz I believe, not 7.61. And the Z-80 is 3.58Mhz, not 4. To say nothing of using the bare-bones Turbo CD specs. And he forgot the backup RAM.
EDIT: He forgot the ADPCM in the Turbo and the 8-channel PCM in the Sega CD. Sure he said ASIC but that's really more for the scaling n' rotation, isn't it?
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 18, 2016, 04:09:07 PM
And by the time the SNES CD-ROM was supposed to come out, the PC Engine CD had 2304KB "EXP RAM", not just 64.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: esteban on July 19, 2016, 12:34:08 AM
And by the time the SNES CD-ROM was supposed to come out, the PC Engine CD had 2304KB "EXP RAM", not just 64.
Did any of the later Mega-CD versions (like the CDX and brethren) have a double-speed disc drive?
I did a preliminary search but didn't find any thing useful.
I'm not suggesting that the CDX or Wondermega or ______ represent stock hardware... I'm just curious what features were available and at what time.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Black Tiger on July 19, 2016, 06:57:26 AM
No, a faster drive would screw up the games.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: xelement5x on July 19, 2016, 10:19:45 AM
Yeah, the only Sega hardware I can think of that might have a different drive would be the LaserActive, but when the PAC is inserted I would assume drive speed is limited by the other components.
Title: Re: PC Engine CD/TurboGrafx CD Vs Mega-CD/Sega CD - which is better?
Post by: Bonknuts on July 23, 2016, 02:59:45 AM