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Title: Ys IV
Post by: escarioth on August 22, 2016, 04:00:33 PM
wah ! :shock: that game translation , Short movies, classic gameplay and
add a cherry on top for those dubs.
.....
its freaking heaven   :pray:

i'm quite amazed . . .  seriously Nightwolve you really worked hard on that one.  :clap: :clap: :clap:

i just wanted to take a peek before starting back the 3 others games.  :-k
now i feel bad, i want to play right away   #-o
curse my own curiosity i should have waited until i was ready to start it.   ](*,)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: poponon on August 23, 2016, 01:17:05 AM
just finished this one two weeks ago. The translation efforts were really something - I don't think I've ever played another fan translation that seemed to be as much as a labor of love as this. Really amazing stuff. PCE community is the best

the game itself is a lot of fun too - just don't be like me and forget to get the heal ring the first time it's available or else you have to wait until near the end of the game to pick it up again. I think it's fairly soon afterwords but still
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: escarioth on August 23, 2016, 01:31:25 AM
ooh thanks for the tip :)
ill be cautious  :dance:
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on August 23, 2016, 01:54:04 AM
I'm playing through this now and about like 25 - 30% done and I have to say I am crazy impressed with the the dub and translation!  Everyone did an amazing job!
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: geise on August 23, 2016, 04:28:47 AM
Yeah, Nightwolve did an outstanding job with Ys IV.  Lets also not forget Burnt lasagna and the people he had doing the dub for this game.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: escarioth on August 23, 2016, 05:15:42 AM
Yeah, Nightwolve did an outstanding job with Ys IV.  Lets also not forget Burnt lasagna and the people he had doing the dub for this game.

Oh, they sure did an amazing job so far from what ive played. Big thanks to everyone if they're still around.
But Ill finish ys 1-2-3 first   8)

 
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: geise on August 23, 2016, 07:09:15 AM
Hmmm...an Ys marathon.  Why have I never done this before!?  :shock:
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: escarioth on August 23, 2016, 07:32:50 AM
Hmmm...an Ys marathon.  Why have I never done this before!?  :shock:

Thats the idea, i waited quite long to finally start this.
wanted to make the 3 first that i already finished years ago... and top the whole thing
with a brand new title i never played :D

i also never played the one on snes
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on August 23, 2016, 12:43:16 PM
Thanks escarioth, glad you enjoyed it! It was my dream to see it fully in English one day after buying it from TZD in 1996 (http://www.ysutopia.net/images/Ys4TZDBuy.gif) and getting stuck on that white knight (who won't let you back in the castle until you learn you must equip your 1st level equipment), never thought I'd actually lead the effort one day to make that happen! :)

It's literally the biggest project I ever managed, multiple programmers (myself included), translators, and then even more recruitment/management for voice acting, etc. Hard to believe it's now 99% English, minus the credits roll of the Japanese Hudson development staff, but that's minor and hardly anyone cares.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: nopepper on August 23, 2016, 05:41:44 PM
Thanks escarioth, glad you enjoyed it! It was my dream to see it fully in English one day after buying it from TZD in 1996 (http://www.ysutopia.net/images/Ys4TZDBuy.gif) and getting stuck on that white knight (who won't let you back in the castle until you learn you must equip your 1st level equipment), never thought I'd lead the effort one day to make that happen! :) It's literally the biggest project I ever managed, multiple programmers (myself included), translators, and then even more recruitment/management for voice acting, etc. Hard to believe it was it's now 99% English, minus the credits roll of the Japanese Hudson development staff, but that's minor and hardly anyone cares.


Great topic and thank you so much for your efforts, NightWolve.

This reminded me to send a donation your way, which everyone can do by going to NightWolve's site. The amount of effort and quality of work, while I know a labor of love, deserves some compensation from the community.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: escarioth on August 24, 2016, 02:52:46 AM
i have yet to play xak III too.
but YS first.

and yep , donations are always on my to-do list.
especially if its fan work. Its important to show the love for those hard working fans.
sadly, many prefer taking everything and not give anything in return,
but not all of them ;)

 
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: martinine on August 28, 2016, 02:22:35 PM
I said before, but I probably will again: Thanks Nightwolve! I had an Ys Marsthon this year as well. IV is so fantastic!
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on August 29, 2016, 12:44:59 AM
Recent donations went towards buying Shovel Knight, so it went towards a good cause...SHOVEL JUSTICE!!! :)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Gentlegamer on August 29, 2016, 08:28:48 AM
Recent donations went towards buying Shovel Knight, so it went towards a good cause...SHOVEL JUSTICE!!! :)

I'm currently playing Shovel Knight on Wii U.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on August 30, 2016, 12:59:04 AM
Shovel Knight is pretty freaking awesome.  It strikes a pretty good balance of being challenging without being unfair, or cheap. 
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Zero_Gamer on August 30, 2016, 01:11:11 AM
I love Shovel Knight. The best part is the soundtrack. Its pretty unbelievable.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: escarioth on August 30, 2016, 05:05:22 AM
definetly a real good game :)
i would love to see more of these coming out with such quality.

anyway moving on with my YS marathon....slowly but surely.
i'm around half the second game done....cant wait to finally play the third on turbografx.

i always played on snes back then. first time ill try :)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: esteban on August 30, 2016, 05:14:27 AM
definetly a real good game :)
i would love to see more of these coming out with such quality.

anyway moving on with my YS marathon....slowly but surely.
i'm around half the second game done....cant wait to finally play the third on turbografx.

i always played on snes back then. first time ill try :)

Holy cow.

Ys III on TG-CD will be a treat.

:)

That music. Gotta play it loud.

Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on August 30, 2016, 06:10:36 AM
I wonder what happened with the scrolling in the TG16/PCEngine version of III.  There's like 1 or 2 spots where the scrolling is nice and buttery smooth and then everywhere else is stutter city.  Its as if 2 different people programmed how those sections would handle scrolling.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: geise on September 02, 2016, 02:51:19 AM
Hmmm...an Ys marathon.  Why have I never done this before!?  :shock:

Thats the idea, i waited quite long to finally start this.
wanted to make the 3 first that i already finished years ago... and top the whole thing
with a brand new title i never played :D

i also never played the one on snes
Don't ever play the ones on snes...ever.  Forget Ys V exists.  It's only ok for some music.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on September 02, 2016, 03:21:58 AM
I liked Ys V, its different (although closer to modern Ys games than the old ones).  I think it gets a bad rap and is a better game than people give it credit for.  Personally I liked it more than Ys III.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Gredler on September 02, 2016, 06:23:53 AM
I'll join in escarioth - I also have only played the snes version - and for many years that was the only Ys I'd have played up until my recent play through of book 1 and 2 that was amazing albeit marred by CD Drive issues causing cut scene audio to skip. I will gladly join you in a play through of Ys 3 when you get to it, and hopefully can keep pace. The brevity of the Ys games seems to make that possible, maybe we should start a separate thread and call it "End of Summer Ys 3 play through thread" :)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: geise on September 02, 2016, 06:37:06 AM
I really tried to like Ys V,  but it was so snesified it was kind of a turnoff.  It felt just like another snes/sfc game and not anything special like the other Ys games.  I can understand some liking Ys V over III, but I love the first 4 titles.  Ys V was hard for me to keep playing through.  Again though, it has some beautiful music.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: lukester on September 02, 2016, 08:37:17 AM
I really tried to like Ys V,  but it was so snesified it was kind of a turnoff.  It felt just like another snes/sfc game and not anything special like the other Ys games.  I can understand some liking Ys V over III, but I love the first 4 titles.  Ys V was hard for me to keep playing through.  Again though, it has some beautiful music.

Snesified? Is that because the graphics were much better? Because they were. Many of the backgrounds had much nicer color depth and detail. Some areas remind me of the top down sections in Legend of Xanadu 2.

I also liked the attack button. It was a nice change of pace, and it works well in the modern games.

My problem with Ys V is that it was too easy to grind, get money and kill bosses. You could really abuse the option system. Magic was also disappointing. It was also shorter than Ys IV. I'm not sure if these issues were fixed in Ys V expert.

Regardless, Ys IV pce is my favorite out of all the retro games in the series.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Necromancer on September 02, 2016, 08:50:59 AM
I don't know about 'snesified' but Ys V doesn't feel as much like an Ys game; the sprite proportions are all wrong for 'cute lil falcom sprites' and there's no border and hud.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on September 02, 2016, 01:37:39 PM
It's definitely a big change, though you can see the flow of where they were going.   I don't know if I would say it doesn't feel like an Ys game though.  V has much more in common with VI, VII, and the modern remakes than it does with the first 4 games.  If you can accept the modern ones, I think V fits in there.  It's kind of like the missing link between the original style and modern Ys.  I really enjoyed it though, it is definitely short, though not as short as III.  If you know what you're doing and are good you can easily beat III in like 4 - 5 hours. 

Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: nopepper on September 02, 2016, 03:23:03 PM
It's definitely a big change, though you can see the flow of where they were going.   I don't know if I would say it doesn't feel like an Ys game though.  V has much more in common with VI, VII, and the modern remakes than it does with the first 4 games.  If you can accept the modern ones, I think V fits in there.  It's kind of like the missing link between the original style and modern Ys.  I really enjoyed it though, it is definitely short, though not as short as III.  If you know what you're doing and are good you can easily beat III in like 4 - 5 hours.

I have never considered playing V, but you putting it in line with VII, which I consider to be an absolute jewel, is making me want to check it out.

I know nostalgia plays a big role in this, but I & II are still my favorites, with Book I being my absolute favorite. I love the simple elegance the game brings, and, maybe because of its brevity, it's still enjoyable to play through to this day.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on September 05, 2016, 11:56:50 PM
Well its more about the feel of it.  You can see where they were planning on going if that makes sense.  V is very much the start of modern Ys, as opposed to classic Ys, but I digress.

So I wanted to see if anyone else noticed this about Ys IV, or more specifically the dubbed version.  I have a Turboeverdrive 2.4 and normally I just leave it in and use the modded system 3.01 bios with it.  With the patched version of Ys IV though I noticed the game really doesn't like that.  If I run it with the the modded for everdrive bios I get a lot of lock ups, graphical glitches and other issues.  If I play the game without the everdrive in the system, and using just the Duo's bios, I get none of these issues.   Has anyone else run into this?  I guess I should also mention I'm playing on a PCE Duo.   
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Black Tiger on September 06, 2016, 02:38:46 AM
The biggest problem Ys V has is that it's titled "Ys". If it wasn't officially an Ys game, it could just be another forgettable hack 'n slash adventure game worth playing through once, instead of being terribly disappointing.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Bonknuts on September 06, 2016, 12:55:44 PM
Well its more about the feel of it.  You can see where they were planning on going if that makes sense.  V is very much the start of modern Ys, as opposed to classic Ys, but I digress.

So I wanted to see if anyone else noticed this about Ys IV, or more specifically the dubbed version.  I have a Turboeverdrive 2.4 and normally I just leave it in and use the modded system 3.01 bios with it.  With the patched version of Ys IV though I noticed the game really doesn't like that.  If I run it with the the modded for everdrive bios I get a lot of lock ups, graphical glitches and other issues.  If I play the game without the everdrive in the system, and using just the Duo's bios, I get none of these issues.   Has anyone else run into this?  I guess I should also mention I'm playing on a PCE Duo.   

 I haven't experienced this, but it could be that the game is doing something it shouldn't (writing to areas that are rom, which are normally fine on original system card games). Gate of Thunder tries to write to rom addresses on the system card. So maybe Ys IV has some left over development things that normally don't affect the regular system cards, but is writing to ED specific registers. I dunno. Would you mind posting this in the DEV section? There's a sticky for T.ED development or something related.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on September 11, 2016, 11:19:01 AM
If I run it with the the modded for everdrive bios I get a lot of lock ups, graphical glitches and other issues.  If I play the game without the everdrive in the system, and using just the Duo's bios, I get none of these issues.   Has anyone else run into this?  I guess I should also mention I'm playing on a PCE Duo.   

That's interesting, could you run a test with an original Japanese CD or unpatched CD-R and see if you still get the glitches mentioned ?
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on September 12, 2016, 12:29:29 AM
I do have the original Japanese CD so I will see if I can get it to do the same on that.  It probably won't be till this weekend though. 
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Serega81 on January 28, 2017, 10:04:06 AM
Il jump on the bandwagon.. Thanks for the excellent translation NightWolve :) Ys IV was one of the first games I played for my duo, my 14 year old ass was absolutely floored by it in 1995.. half screen character portraits, great cutscenes, I think I got sick from school instantly , and played it for 4 days straight till morning light. Thanks to you I can finally play it in English while simultaneously reliving my teenage years.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on March 27, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
Falcom [is Great Again] occasionally goes on PC Engine nostalgia trips for their Twitter followers, this one for "Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys" [1993]. It was developed mostly by Hudson Soft (now absorbed by Konami) with Falcom providing a working story and soundtrack.

This scenario illustration is an example of cell painting, and they call it Nostalgia Illustration #19.

https://t.co/azSDP9LJZd
http://www.ysutopia.net/projects/ys4/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6XNkzvVAAAMuUO.jpg)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: elmer on March 27, 2017, 12:42:26 PM
I love their art style! It's so cool that they post these things.  :D

I've got to finish playing your translation someday ... I'm stuck on one of the bosses, and am a poor-enough player that I'll probably have to hack myself an invincibility cheat to get passed him and back to the rest of the game.  :oops:

I was really enjoying it up until that darned boss!
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Gypsy on March 27, 2017, 01:51:03 PM
I love their art style! It's so cool that they post these things.  :D

I've got to finish playing your translation someday ... I'm stuck on one of the bosses, and am a poor-enough player that I'll probably have to hack myself an invincibility cheat to get passed him and back to the rest of the game.  :oops:

I was really enjoying it up until that darned boss!

You gotta believe in yourself man! Plus Ys games are easy peasy.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on March 28, 2017, 03:14:48 AM
That is some damn nice art work from them, thanks for sharing it!
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Serega81 on March 28, 2017, 08:59:17 AM
Seeing this thread pop back up again I have a question.  I started my Ys journey on the Snes with Ys III before I owned a Duo, since then I have played through Ys1 - Ys4 on the Duo/TG CD.  However I never touched any of the next gen Ys games, the PS2 ones etc..  To those who have, would you reccomend any of them?  How do they measure up against their classic counterparts?
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Black Tiger on March 28, 2017, 01:50:17 PM
I love Ys I - III, Dawn of Ys and to a lesser extent, Eternal/Complete I & II.

Everything that came after doesn't have the same magic and feel very un-Ys.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Necromancer on March 29, 2017, 02:46:04 AM
NW: thanks for sharing the cool art.  I hope they post up more of 'em.

Serega81: I've played the four PSP games (Ys I & II Chronicles, Oath in Felghana, Ark of Napishtim, and Ys 7) and enjoyed 'em quite a bit.  They're worth checking out, especially for the sweet music;  they let you switch on the fly between the newer arranged versions and the old tunes from PC-88, X68K, or whatever.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Gypsy on March 29, 2017, 05:48:56 AM
The new games are great, but they are definitely very different experiences. For me, Oath is my favourite version of III though I'm sure many would have a different view of it. I would say just try the new games and see what you think about them.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on March 30, 2017, 01:00:41 AM
Seeing this thread pop back up again I have a question.  I started my Ys journey on the Snes with Ys III before I owned a Duo, since then I have played through Ys1 - Ys4 on the Duo/TG CD.  However I never touched any of the next gen Ys games, the PS2 ones etc..  To those who have, would you reccomend any of them?  How do they measure up against their classic counterparts?

The Ys IV remake on Vita (Memories of Celceta) is really good.  I personally am not a fan of Ark of Napishtim, found it easily the worst in the entire franchise. The other new games are definitely worth playing though.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Gypsy on March 30, 2017, 09:48:44 AM
MoC definitely blows Ys VI away. VI could honestly stand a remake.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on March 30, 2017, 06:55:20 PM
I love Ys 6.  It's not Oath, which is my favorite, but it's a great game.  Deffinitely better then the current versions of Ys 5.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: seieienbu on March 30, 2017, 09:13:44 PM
Out of all the games in the series, I feel like Ys 5 plays the least like Ys out of any of them.  More than anything else, I think of Ys as games with fast paced action.  Ys 5 wasn't just slow for an Ys game, it was slow for a snes game.  There were few enemies on screen, it took forever to move around, and in the event that multiple enemies were on screen at once the game would somehow become slower still.

Even the 3rd one still has fast paced combat and quick exploration.  You can change it from top down to a side scroller but it still feels like Ys to me.  Perhaps the PS2 port plays better but I've never played it so I can't say.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on March 31, 2017, 04:17:38 PM
I would play through the SNES Ys V 10 more times before ever firing up 6 ever again.  Ys V to me was very much the cornerstone on what modern Ys games built upon.  You can see that continuation in 6, Oath, Memories and VII.  6 just has aged so poorly IMHO.  It needs a major remake, from the poor hit boxes, the painful platforming, the controls, all of it needs major upgrades.  I really don't get why people are so down on V, yeah it's short and you can miss a fair amount of side stuff, but I don't think it terribly hurts it.  If V had come to the US during the SNES years it's a game I would have been all over and probably played through multiple times.  Kind of like Soul Blazer.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on April 02, 2017, 03:04:57 AM
I love their art style! It's so cool that they post these things.  :D

I've got to finish playing your translation someday ... I'm stuck on one of the bosses, and am a poor-enough player that I'll probably have to hack myself an invincibility cheat to get passed him and back to the rest of the game.  :oops:

I was really enjoying it up until that darned boss!

Oh wow, surprised you got stuck on a boss. It seemed easy enough to just go back and grind for EXP if you really ran into problems on any of the Ys games. The great challenge for me has been Galbalan in Felghana, I can't defeat him on Inferno max difficulty setting. I sure love his design, his patterns, etc. though, it's all very well crafted.

The major issue that got people stuck with Ys IV was when playing it in Japanese as I was in 1997. It was the first import Japanese ARPG I bought for $55 and I justified it because I'd at least get an awesome soundtrack even if I couldn't understand the story and possibly get stuck (which I did).

There's a white knight who blocks the entrance back to the castle that you escaped from at the start of the game. With the English patch, you'll know what to do, you'll have understood the hints, but without it, most will get stuck and it was game over for me for years until the Internet and guides.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on April 02, 2017, 03:51:03 AM
I love their art style! It's so cool that they post these things.  :D

I've got to finish playing your translation someday ... I'm stuck on one of the bosses, and am a poor-enough player that I'll probably have to hack myself an invincibility cheat to get passed him and back to the rest of the game.  :oops:

I was really enjoying it up until that darned boss!

I have had something for that.

http://www.ysutopia.net/projects/ys4/#downloads

Get the Ys4hack ZIP file. It's a Perl script for either the YAME or MagiceEngine state files. You can just get the offsets for gold or EXP from it and hex edit your state file, then reload it. You also need to cause an event change, exit or reenter a town, etc. for the changes to appear. Or, load state file, save your game within it, reset, and load it with the Continue option.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: seieienbu on April 02, 2017, 05:28:34 AM

The major issue that got people stuck with Ys IV was when playing it in Japanese as I was in 1997. It was the first import Japanese ARPG I bought for $55 and I justified it because I'd at least get an awesome soundtrack even if I couldn't understand the story and possibly get stuck (which I did).

Wow, $55?  That seems like a steal for an import title back then.  I think I paid around $100 for it after finding an ad in the back of a magazine.  Where did you get it from?
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: elmer on April 02, 2017, 09:24:17 AM
Oh wow, surprised you got stuck on a boss. It seemed easy enough to just go back and grind for EXP if you really ran into problems on any of the Ys games.

OK, you shamed me into trying again ... and "nope", that's one mean boss, and grinding got boring-as-heck after I levelled-up and still got my behind kicked!  :oops:

It's the "Ice Immurer", which the FAQ says is one of the toughest bosses in the game.  :roll:


Get the Ys4hack ZIP file. It's a Perl script for either the YAME or MagiceEngine state files. You can just get the offsets for gold or EXP from it and hex edit your state file, then reload it. You also need to cause an event change, exit or reenter a town, etc. for the changes to appear. Or, load state file, save your game within it, reset, and load it with the Continue option.

Thanks!

I'm really trying-my-best to play the game without cheating and giving myself extra stuff like that ... unless I get blocked.

So I took the "programmer's way out" since I'm playing in Mednafen, and just figured-out where the current HP is stored in RAM, and then gave myself a bunch of extra HP whenever I was getting dangerously-low.  :-"

It's stored at $68:FC4E, BTW.

Now that I'm passed that one bit, hopefully I can go back to playing as normal.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: seieienbu on April 02, 2017, 11:41:53 AM
That's a tough one; every time I've faced the Ice Murmurer I've taken several attempts before getting it right.  That definitely an interesting approach to beating him, I must say!
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: technozombie on April 02, 2017, 12:33:41 PM
I used to be against cheating, but with the limited time I have nowadays it's more important to get past a frustrating part and get back to having fun.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on April 02, 2017, 03:16:52 PM

The major issue that got people stuck with Ys IV was when playing it in Japanese as I was in 1997. It was the first import Japanese ARPG I bought for $55 and I justified it because I'd at least get an awesome soundtrack even if I couldn't understand the story and possibly get stuck (which I did).
Wow, $55?  That seems like a steal for an import title back then.  I think I paid around $100 for it after finding an ad in the back of a magazine.  Wheere did you get it from?

Well, wouldn't you know, it's a piece of history I wanted to save!

(http://www.ysutopia.net/images/Ys4TZDBuy.gif)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on April 02, 2017, 07:31:35 PM
Gah, they spelled Ys wrong!!!@)$iq3p9rje[worginvw[eoahoei  Man, Van Nuys, forgot all about that.  That's like a 20 minute drive from me.  I can't recall if I ever went by the old TZD building.  I feel like somebody did at one point & took pics.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: MisterCrash on April 02, 2017, 11:58:42 PM
Gah, they spelled Ys wrong!!!
Well, to be fair, the Ys IV disc label has an apostrophe in it.

I got my copy from TZD as well. When I saw they had copies of Ys IV, I immediately placed an order. I started playing it right away, but got lost in the language barrier fairly quickly. I revisited it years later and followed the GameFAQs guide to get through it. Otherwise, that part that NightWolve mentioned would easily have caused me to quit.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: geise on April 03, 2017, 02:43:32 AM
I would play through the SNES Ys V 10 more times before ever firing up 6 ever again.

Napishtim is f*cking amazing.  If you aren't playing it on PC you're doing it wrong.  I played it 6 months ago and it's still beautiful.  BTW Ys V over 6?....really?
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Necromancer on April 03, 2017, 03:29:05 AM
Nice old invoice, NW.  'Tis cool that you've kept it all these years.  :mrgreen:

As for Ark of Napishtim, I played through the PSP version and can't say I had any issues with bad controls, cheap hit boxes, or the like.  The only real negative was how it loads all the frickin' time; they weren't too painful on the PSP Go, but I'm sure they be a nightmare off UMD.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on April 03, 2017, 03:53:13 AM
The finally bosses for SNES Ys IV were the only ones in the series that made me just break down and use a cheat code.  Specially the one before the last one, I just could not get past that a$$hole.

I would play through the SNES Ys V 10 more times before ever firing up 6 ever again.

Napishtim is f*cking amazing.  If you aren't playing it on PC you're doing it wrong.  I played it 6 months ago and it's still beautiful.  BTW Ys V over 6?....really?

To be fair I played in PS2 since that is the version I have, but it just did not click with me.  Yeah, really.  I think people shit on Ys V for no reason.  I had fun with the game and I never experienced the frustration I did with Ark, where I had to land jumps that were a few pixels in size but with an imprecise long jump mechanic, or deal with my sword slashing over an enemy multiple times but seeming only hitting the hit box to register it half the time.  I like the characters, and the story was typical Ys fair, but the gameplay, at least on the PS2 one made the game feel a bit more like a chore.  I know on the PC side of things you can use the Wings of Alma to teleport and that would have been REALLY nice on the PS2 version, instead it just takes you out of dungeons, or to the Alma trials.

Like I said I liked the characters and story well enough, if we could get a remake for it I'd be all for that.   
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on April 04, 2017, 02:25:14 AM
Nice old invoice, NW.  'Tis cool that you've kept it all these years.  :mrgreen:

Built with Microsoft Excel by the look of it. I made sheets like that myself many times, for school and work. ;) For a time I was well versed with Corel WordPerfect and its spreadsheet sister program Quattro Pro before Microsoft overtook it all as the office standard, it was still popular at that time period, so that's the other possibility I'm thinking.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: GaijinD on April 06, 2017, 02:09:09 PM
I like the characters, and the story was typical Ys fair, but the gameplay, at least on the PS2 one made the game feel a bit more like a chore.

I don't remember having any of the same issues, but it's been a while. I was playing using a code that switched the graphics back to 2D, which I wouldn't think would have affected the gameplay, but I suppose it might have.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: crazydean on May 08, 2017, 04:10:11 PM
So it's difficult to navigate the forum on my phone, and I couldn't find the Ys IV translation thread. Anyway, thanks Nightwolve for making this translation happen!

I just finished the game, and it was a ton of fun! The only pain in the ass was that f*cking snow boss. I had to grind like four levels just to be able to damage him.

I'm sure this has been answered many times before, but why didn't they release this in the US? They managed to churn out It Came From The Desert and other gems. Without looking it up, I'll assume it was timing, probably nearing the end of the life cycle of the system.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: SignOfZeta on May 08, 2017, 04:50:30 PM
Back then US versions of games would take forever to happen, like a year and a half. A year and a half after Ys IV the PlayStation was in and the Turbo was dead as hell.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on May 08, 2017, 04:54:49 PM
I'm sure this has been answered many times before, but why didn't they release this in the US? They managed to churn out It Came From The Desert and other gems. Without looking it up, I'll assume it was timing, probably nearing the end of the life cycle of the system.

Yep, same reason Dracula X never made it on over which was also released in 1993, the US face of NEC and Hudson known as TTi was calling it quits right around this time, getting beat out by Sega and Nintendo... You figure it likely would've got the same Ys III crummy dub work, not the budget and talent Ys Book I & II received, so if our team did just a tad better than that, you got a better localization by fans in the end. :)

The script though could use some good editing but it's respectable enough. XXXSEED's cock-flasher never redid it as I had asked, he only finished the 4% Rachel hadn't and I was misled about that for a time, so one day perhaps SamIAm might be interested. Tough to motivate a retranslation is the thing.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Black Tiger on May 09, 2017, 12:21:39 AM
Ys IV was released a week before 1994. TTi already knew they were done and were just killing time by that point.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: elmer on July 18, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
I'm really trying-my-best to play the game without cheating and giving myself extra stuff like that ... unless I get blocked.

So I took the "programmer's way out" since I'm playing in Mednafen, and just figured-out where the current HP is stored in RAM, and then gave myself a bunch of extra HP whenever I was getting dangerously-low.  :-"

Now that I'm passed that one bit, hopefully I can go back to playing as normal.

Errrr ... I'm a wuss!  :oops:

Once I'd figured out how to cheat, I just did so on every Boss fight so that I could continue playing the game.

I'm a total failure as an Ys fan!  [-X


Thanks to NightWolve for all the hard work with the English hacking, and to everyone involved in the dub, it was a lot of fun!!!  :clap:


The script though could use some good editing but it's respectable enough. XXXSEED's cock-flasher never redid it as I had asked, he only finished the 4% Rachel hadn't and I was misled about that for a time, so one day perhaps SamIAm might be interested. Tough to motivate a retranslation is the thing.

I'm definitely curious as to how SamIAm's translation would be different ... but yeah, it doesn't seem likely that it would ever happen.

The script and dialog-triggers in Ys IV seemed a lot less sophisticated than what Falcom did in the LoX games.

It'll be interesting to get further in Anearth and see if that's a Hudson-vs-Falcom thing, or just a difference between the times that the games were developed.


It *seemed* as though I wouldn't have known what to do next in Ys IV a lot of the time if I hadn't been using a WalkThrough.

LoX1 had a few points like that (we've tried to give slightly better clues), but LoX2 is very linear and simple, and just wants you to enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on July 18, 2017, 06:58:15 PM
It's not terribly hard, if I had a problem with a boss, I just remember I'd do a little more grinding for EXP.

When I bought it in the 90's, I only got stuck due to that white knight blocking your way back into the castle you were once imprisoned in. I won't spoil the solution, but it's a clue provided in the story which you'll catch when playing in English.

I knew I'd get an awesome soundtrack at least, predicting I might get stuck with a JRPG aside from not getting to enjoy the story (I was not exactly a rabid import buyer, but Ys IV made the list along with Dracula X being the first!) so that's how I justified blowing $55 bucks on it from Turbo Zone Direct... I loved the previous Ys releases, and it was the last the PC Engine would ever see, so either way, I had to own it!

Anyway, glad you had a good time with it and I look forward to your Xanadu work. :)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Black Tiger on July 20, 2017, 06:06:27 AM
What I love about that part of Ys IV is that when I got stuck there for a while, I actually logically worked out in my head what should get me in, but didn't remember the earlier scene clear enough at first, as it was my first time through and I'd already spent a fair amount of time stuck at a couple other points before that.

It was so satisfying both getting past strong gaijin protection and figuring it out as it was intended to be. :)
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: Johnpv on July 21, 2017, 01:51:39 AM
It was so satisfying both getting past strong gaijin protection and figuring it out as it was intended to be. :)

 :clap: :lol: Best line I've read in awhile.
Title: Re: Ys IV
Post by: NightWolve on September 16, 2017, 08:22:38 AM
It was so satisfying both getting past strong gaijin protection and figuring it out as it was intended to be. :)
:clap: :lol: Best line I've read in awhile.

Yeah, that situation does qualify as "strong gaijin protection," that's one way to put it. :)