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Title: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: reliq on November 10, 2017, 06:18:55 PM
Is there a list of exclusives games the consoles had during its lifetimes. by exclusive I mean games that were not arcade ports or were on other systems during the time the console was on the market If a games was later ported to modern consoles I still count it as exclusive
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Black Tiger on November 11, 2017, 06:47:59 AM
There aren't any lists in English, as most English speakers people have no clue about hundreds of PC Engine games.
We can begin posting examples here to piece together the best list we can.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: exodus on November 11, 2017, 01:06:26 PM
hmm, I think it'd be less time consuming to make a list of all the games that were ported - PCE had a lot of exclusives!
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: xelement5x on November 11, 2017, 01:58:32 PM
The problem is, there are games that are "ports" but can wind up as more of a re-imagining of the arcade version with the constraints of the system. Not saying PCE is weak, but when you're trying to port a game from custom hardware to it there is going to be stuff cut, especially if it is on a HuCard.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: reliq on November 11, 2017, 04:16:15 PM
I thought something like would exist already but I was wrong, I have been buying exclusive games for my NES/Famicom, and SNES/Super fami and I had the same problem looking for the same information Well with Nintendo is easier considering Nintendo never puts their games on other consoles(with a few exceptions of course) I will try to make a list for the PC Engine but I will focus on the Hu Cards for now, which is the ones I am interested I hope I can share my findings here later
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: hoobs88 on November 12, 2017, 04:16:29 AM
PCECP.com has a list of all of the games for PC Engine and TG-16. That might be a good start.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Black Tiger on November 12, 2017, 04:43:14 AM
Here are some console exclusives:
Tengai Makyou Ziria Tengai Makyou II Manjimaru Tengai Makyou Fuun Kabuki Den Kabuki Itouryoden Dawn of Ys Tenshi no Uta Tenshi no Uta II Record of Lodoss War Record of Lodoss War II Fang of Alnam Star Breaker Cosmic Fantasy 3 Cosmic Fantasy 4 Chapter 1 Cosmic Fantasy 4 Chapter 2 Babel Efera and Jiliora Fairy Dust Story XZR II/Exile WP Startling Odyssey Startling Odyssey II Legend of Xanadu Legend of Xanadu II Popful Mail Basted Auleria Beyond Shadowgate Shapeshifter Night Creatures Neo Nectaris Lady Phantom Macross Love Song Vasteel Solid Force Astralius Travelers La Valeur Beast Master KO Monster Maker Gulliver Boy Sol Moonarge Last Armageddon Hi Leg Fantasy Lady Sword Bectonancer Sindibad Benkei Gaiden Necross Susana o Densetsu Gai Frame Monsho no Gaia Sword Master Dungeon Explorer Neutopia Neutopia II Gotzendeiner Ruin Magicoal Fray CD Xak I & II Xak III Neo Metal Fantasy Dragon Knight & Graffiti Dragon Knight II Dragon Knight III
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: sunteam_paul on November 12, 2017, 06:25:59 AM
Dragon Knight II wasn't a PCE Exclusive, it came out on a bunch of computers beforehand. I guess that might go for a few others on that list too.
Same for Xak I & II.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: exodus on November 12, 2017, 07:18:53 AM
popful mail is also not console exclusive (came out on sega cd) but this is as good place to start, so I'll add some:
blood gear shubibinman 1, 2, 3 every Face game except Ryuukyuu PC genjin 1+2, 3/3CD PC denjin/CD keith courage / wataru anesan
actually just looking through my collection it's kind of tiring, so I'm gonna stop for now :P
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: sirhcman on November 12, 2017, 07:40:27 AM
There are hundreds, many of which are lame as hell. I suggest you collect via some other high concept.
Ha! That's exactly what I was thinking.
I guess it's cool to compile a list just for shits and giggles, but "exclusive" is a slippery term and hard to nail down. Do PCs count? Lots of PCE games are console exclusives but were first on PC-98, Towns, etc. How much has to change for it to be an exclusive? Ys IV is considered non-cannon and is quite different from the SNES game, but it does share most characters and plot points.
Anyways, here's a few more exclusives:
Air Zonk Super Air Zonk Star Parodier Final Zone 2 Gate of Thunder Alien Crush Camp California Chew Man Fu Darkwing Duck Talespin Dead Moon Dungeon Explorer 2 Cratermaze
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Digi.k on November 13, 2017, 03:12:14 AM
Taito: Hana Taka Daka Space Invaders Fukkatsu Bari Bari Densetsu Gensō Tairiku Aurelia Gambler Jiko Chūsinha: Mahjong Puzzle Collection
Namco: Final Blaster Genpei Tōma Den: Kan no Ni / Samurai Ghost Chibi Maruko-chan: Quiz de Piihyara Obocchamakun
UPL Gomola Speed
Salio: Daichi Kun Crisis - Do Natural
NEC Avenue: Download Download II Ane San Splash Lake Renny Blaster
NEC Home Electronics: Genji Tsushin Amedama Moonlight Lady Metamor Jupiter 21 Emon Private Eyedol Bazar de Gozarre
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Black Tiger on November 13, 2017, 03:14:46 AM
If all that matters is basic story, plot or characters, then most Mario games only count as the same.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: shubibiman on November 13, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
@Black Tiger :
Tengai Makyou Ziria => Later released on the Xbox 360 Tengai Makyou II Manjimaru => Later released on the Gamecube and the DS XZR II/Exile WP Startling Odyssey => I'm not sure which episode but one of the two (maybe both) Startling Odyssey games was also released on the PS1. Startling Odyssey II Gulliver Boy => also released on the Sega Saturn (exact same version) Last Armageddon => also released on the Famicom Dungeon Explorer => also released on the SFC under a different title and later released on the NDS.
Some titles are computer ports but as has being stated, we're only talking about console exclusives.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Black Tiger on November 13, 2017, 11:21:31 PM
Tengai Makyou Ziria => Later released on the Xbox 360 Tengai Makyou II Manjimaru => Later released on the Gamecube and the DS XZR II/Exile WP Startling Odyssey => I'm not sure which episode but one of the two (maybe both) Startling Odyssey games was also released on the PS1. Startling Odyssey II Gulliver Boy => also released on the Sega Saturn (exact same version) Last Armageddon => also released on the Famicom Dungeon Explorer => also released on the SFC under a different title and later released on the NDS.
Some titles are computer ports but as has being stated, we're only talking about console exclusives.
OP set the rules about ports to future hardware not counting.
Ziria 360 is not even close to the same game.
I thought that the Famicom LA game was different, but have only tried it out through emulation.
Dungeon Explorer isn't on SFC, but I excluded DEII because of Crysyal Beans.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on November 14, 2017, 04:29:01 PM
The DS & PSP Dungeon Explorers are comletely new games, they're not rehashes of the first Dungeon Explorer, but rather, are Diablo clones.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Black Tiger on November 15, 2017, 05:38:30 AM
Sega-CD Dungeon Explorer is also unique.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: reliq on November 15, 2017, 12:48:16 PM
There are hundreds, many of which are lame as hell. I suggest you collect via some other high concept.
Why would I buy something that is not the original release? The original is always superior no matter what I already stated that PC ports and arcade ones dont count nor games that were ported to a newer console Bonk adventure is okay, maybe I should have added that games that were ported to older consoles is okay
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Arkhan on November 15, 2017, 12:53:10 PM
Yes, superior equipment doesn't mean it will play better
many ports and subsequent releases include significant patches and fixes, especially in the earlier days. soukyuugurentai for the saturn - the original has some bugs that are fixed by the saturn collection edition, which also adds english support. is the original better?
The xbox port of Silent Hill 2 adds significant content, which was backported to PS2 in a greatest hits edition. Is the original superior?
Virtua Fighter 4 released on PS4, but a greatest hits version, Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution, includes game balancing, loads of features, and a 10th anniversary edition of Virtua Fighter. Is the original better?
Speaking of Virtua Fighter, the original Saturn port was so poorly put together, so maligned by fans, that Sega put out Virtua Fighter Remix, with better textures, a faster framerate, and all around better handling. Is the original Virtua Fighter the better game?
But though you didn't say it explicitly, I guess you probably mean a game on its original console is always better than a port to a newer console. Let's talk about that, then.
The first Valis game was released on MSX. It looks like this:
Is that better than the PCE release, which looks like this?
Is this game
Better than this one?
As much as I love Riviera on the Wonderswan, and has its specific charms related to resolution and colore palette, would you say the japanese-only wonderswan original is superior to playing it on GBA or PSP in English with extra content?
Even the lovely Panzer Dragoon. Is the Saturn version
Truly superior to the PS2 version, which just increases the fidelity of the textures?
I could go on forever, but original is not always best, and quite often the original can't fully execute the developers' desired vision.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: reliq on November 15, 2017, 07:14:00 PM
Yes, superior equipment doesn't mean it will play better
many ports and subsequent releases include significant patches and fixes, especially in the earlier days. soukyuugurentai for the saturn - the original has some bugs that are fixed by the saturn collection edition, which also adds english support. is the original better?
The xbox port of Silent Hill 2 adds significant content, which was backported to PS2 in a greatest hits edition. Is the original superior?
Virtua Fighter 4 released on PS4, but a greatest hits version, Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution, includes game balancing, loads of features, and a 10th anniversary edition of Virtua Fighter. Is the original better?
Speaking of Virtua Fighter, the original Saturn port was so poorly put together, so maligned by fans, that Sega put out Virtua Fighter Remix, with better textures, a faster framerate, and all around better handling. Is the original Virtua Fighter the better game?
But though you didn't say it explicitly, I guess you probably mean a game on its original console is always better than a port to a newer console. Let's talk about that, then.
The first Valis game was released on MSX. It looks like this:
Is that better than the PCE release, which looks like this?
Is this game
Better than this one?
As much as I love Riviera on the Wonderswan, and has its specific charms related to resolution and colore palette, would you say the japanese-only wonderswan original is superior to playing it on GBA or PSP in English with extra content?
Even the lovely Panzer Dragoon. Is the Saturn version
Truly superior to the PS2 version, which just increases the fidelity of the textures?
I could go on forever, but original is not always best, and quite often the original can't fully execute the developers' desired vision.
Yes the original is always better. do you want me to show you bad ports to newer consoles or to PC? Damn I didn't even notice you were the guy that said he makes games for a living, not sure why I am even replying to you
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 15, 2017, 09:20:25 PM
The original is always the original and if you want original then nothing else would do. This is completely independent of quality though. There are many games on PCE that themselves are superior conversions from other system and even defining "original" is hard sometimes.
If you were collecting music or something this would actually make sense (I collect New Order 12" singles from Factory Records exclusively) but it just doesn't hold up with games. You're going to have Drac X sure, but also Energy and Darkwing Duck and crapola like that, omitting games like Advanced VG which is fun and way better than the PC game it was made from.
I often stick to a particular version for ages (CVS2 on DC, for example) and rarely buy HD remixes and shit like that but really your theory just doesn't work because it leads to f*cked up piles of junk nobody wants or plays ever like Battlefield in Tokyodome '94 or whatever.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: ClodBuster on November 15, 2017, 10:38:36 PM
I decide on a game-by-game basis which version meets my taste better than the other.
Unless for old music, where I try to avoid any remasters IF reasonably possible. But that's a whole different story about loudness war and can not be compared to video games in my opinion, and I agree with Zeta about that.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: Necromancer on November 16, 2017, 01:59:34 AM
"original is always better!"
Really? Anyone want to argue that NES Bomberman is better than PCE Bomberman?
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: spenoza on November 16, 2017, 02:36:16 AM
I dunno. I feel like the constraints you've provided are rather arbitrary (and some of your claims easy to disprove). If you really want to list PC Engine originals, you need to exclude anything that has a version on another platform, even decades later, if that other version is nominally the same game. Which is to say, the only true PC Engine originals are those games for which the core experience can only be had on the PC Engine, and not some other system or platform, before or after.
Regardless, if you want help constructing a list of games meeting particular criteria, you need to make sure you are being specific in the details of your request, and when those details seem odd, clear in explaining why those criteria are important. Basically, if you want our help you need to tell us why we should care.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: exodus on November 16, 2017, 06:15:19 AM
I sure wasted my time last night, ha ha
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: cr8zykuban0 on November 16, 2017, 07:34:14 AM
I didnt see anyone mention hihou densetsu:chris no bouken.
Im pretty sure its an exclusive for the pc engine. Its a super underrated platformer.
Title: Re: PC Engine exclusives
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 16, 2017, 07:54:01 AM
Really? Anyone want to argue that NES Bomberman is better than PCE Bomberman?
That may be the absolute best example. NES Bomberman wasn’t the original but I like this because it’s a company that made a game and then later on made their own system and remade the game for that. It did indeed turn out way better. A huge Bomberman fan wants them all of course but if you could only have one version of “Bomberman” the PCE version clearly works over all the rest and you’re never going to play the earlier games. If you only collect “original” you’ll never have the best Bomberman.