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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Chit-Chat => Topic started by: GUTS on January 03, 2007, 04:22:06 PM
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Its a tough choice.
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I remember when Duke 3d came out. I was really into Quake at the time, but completly lost interest after a few games of Duke. The level were nothing special and the graphics were a step back from Quake in most ways, but the game was just so f*cking fun. Duke is so damn obnoxious he borders on being cheesy, but somehow doesnt cross the line. Or maybe he does but it doesnt matter. He reminds me of the Bruce Campbell in the Evil Dead films.
Who knows if Duke Nukem Forever will ever come out. If it does, I think all that really matters is if they capture the whole persona. Its what made the game.
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The un-named shooter by MindRec is called Xymati, by the way.
Tough choice for me. It's between Neutopia III and PC Gunjin.
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Hmm no Nights on the list for the Wii foshame #-o
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...wait a minute. They are making a new NiGHTS game for the Wii?
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...wait a minute. They are making a new NiGHTS game for the Wii?
Rumor has it.
http://wii.ign.com/articles/753/753174p1.html
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Wait, doesn't vaporware mean games that never appeard & never will? If that's the case, Duke Nukem is a possible vaporware(I say that, since, you never know, it could end up happening). All the rest are coming(& some you don't know about :shock:), though I know BT is going thru some rough times right now with work, so their games could be awhile unfortunatly, but I can speak for us, that we're still working, maybe a little more then you think 8)
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Vapoware or not, I voted for PC Gunjin, because I've seen more of it than the other (hopefully)soon to be real games.
I've seen a bunch of early screenshots of the formally unnamed shooter, but it doesn't relay enough about the game to me. Also there are already lots of great PC Engine shooters but no side scrolling 'run & gunner's' that I can think of at the moment.
In the end, I'll probably enjoy Neutopia III the most. But again, I've seen pretty much nothing of it yet, so there's not enough for me to get excited about.
Mysterious Song may turn out to be the funnest RPG I've ever played, but from the few screenshots I've seen so far, it just looks like a decent PCE RPG.
Duke Nukem 3D for Saturn with Netlink is enough to hold me over for a lifetime.
Duke is so damn obnoxious he borders on being cheesy, but somehow doesnt cross the line. Or maybe he does but it doesnt matter. He reminds me of the Bruce Campbell in the Evil Dead films.
That's because most of his lines in the game were lifted from Army Of Darkness. There are also a couple from They Live, but thankfully Duke Nukem doesn't conjure up any images of flamboyant homosexual Roddy Piper.
I remember I got a demo for the game Blood when I got my first PC. It was basically an Army Of Darkness version of Duke Nukem. And within the first few seconds of the actual game, it already used two lines from AOD.
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Probably Shenmue 3 or Sonic X-Treme. Both have release dates of next Tuesday.
Then again Moon Dancer for the Mega Drive should be good, too!
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Probably Shenmue 3 or Sonic X-Treme. Both have release dates of next Tuesday.
Then again Moon Dancer for the Mega Drive should be good, too!
Come on, nobody's looking forward to Sonic Xtreme. :wink:
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We have a lot of stuff planned and being made at Frozen Utopia. I promise you all will see something cool soon :) .
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Damn! I wanna spill the beans! So many secrets to tell! :D
At least you won't be disappointed, I can tell you that. :wink:
Some real vaporware I'm looking forward to is Stalker.
(http://www.stalker-game.com/download/gallery/screenshots/sb_xray_15.jpg)
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Who knows if Duke Nukem Forever will ever come out. If it does, I think all that really matters is if they capture the whole persona. Its what made the game.
It'll be out when it's done. :wink:
I actually wish they made a new Shadow Warrior game for the PC instead of Duke Nukem this and Duke Nukem that. I thought Lo Wang was much more funnier than Duke mainly because he was a horny asian man who spoke broken english and kicked loads of ass. :)
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We (Frozen Utopia) haven't released a lot of screenshots of our in-progress games because first of all, we don't want to give too much away at once, and second of all, it's a rather bummer to have new screenshots come out and then get the game ages later (remember Darkwing Duck?). Unlike professional game studios, we have only a limited amount of time to work on things, plus we're not getting paid for the work we do so it's not like any kind of time schedule or 9-to-5 routine. You can rest assured that none of the Frozen Utopia games are vaporware, and there will actually be a demo of one of them rather soon...to not ruin the surprise, I won't say which one. :D
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Damn, you reminded me about Darkwing Duck......I'd rather forget about that game :roll:
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I hope Frozen Utopia's games are burnable to CD to be played on real hardware because I'd rather not play them at all than to be stuck playing them on an emulator.
If they are to be CD, ISO releases would be great, rather than ISO+MP3 or some such thing.
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I hope Frozen Utopia's games are burnable to CD to be played on real hardware because I'd rather not play them at all than to be stuck playing them on an emulator.
If they are to be CD, ISO releases would be great, rather than ISO+MP3 or some such thing.
Don't worry, we'll have ISO releases for the demos and full versions of our games, mainly because the games use CD audio tracks, but it's nice to play on real hardware too.
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Sweet!
Also let me know if you need any voice acting. I have extremely limited acting skills and would be perfect for any game project. You'd think I worked for Working Designs or something, I'm that bad!
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Sweet!
Also let me know if you need any voice acting. I have extremely limited acting skills and would be perfect for any game project. You'd think I worked for Working Designs or something, I'm that bad!
Hey cool, old skool, WD-style voice actors rule! I don't think we need any for Mysterious Song, but you could definitely be a help for Neutopia III when we the voice acting parts are needed.
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I certainly hope Neutopia III doesn't come out, as being the eternal pessimist that I am, I told Keranu I would actually get a Turbo if it was ever released. :?
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And you totally are because there is no way in hell Neutopia III's not coming out :mrgreen: .
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Wait, we're for sure doing voice acting for Neutopia 3? Cool! So, maybe we'll be using my idea for the cinemas as well, that would rock :D I'll say no more then that, because I don't think we want to give too much away at this time.
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Wait, we're for sure doing voice acting for Neutopia 3? Cool! So, maybe we'll be using my idea for the cinemas as well, that would rock :D I'll say no more then that, because I don't think we want to give too much away at this time.
I don't know for sure, but I don't see why we wouldn't have it.
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Be sure to have lots of "Working Designs-isms" in the game like characters making references to current events and pop culture (like the constant "Hans & Franz" talk in Popful Mail) and make fun of politics and do all of the things Victor Ireland would do to
ruin improve the game tenfold!
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Working Designs was awesome, the voice acting wasn't half bad in their games considering the time they were made. IIn fact their later releases had some pretty decent voice acting work in them.
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I loved WD's humerous, cheesy voice acting.
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Word up!
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Here are a couple voices I recorded from Popful Mail to show how awesome Working Designs is:
http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/reviews/Popfulvoice1.mp3
- 144Khttp://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/reviews/Popfulvoice2.mp3
- 584K (Yeah. The dialog is THAT awesome).
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Yeah sounds like cartoon voice acting for a cartoony game. If you went into Popful Mail expecting the video game equivalent of a Dostoevsky novel then I can see where you'd think that was lame, but since Popful Mail is basically a saturday morning cartoon caliber RPG that voice acting completely fits.
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Sure, but did they have to steal their "humor" from Saturday Night Live?
This is a first, people actually defending Working Designs? The world must be coming to an end, just like the Working Designs company did because they couldn't make enough money due to all of their burnt bridges.
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Sure, but did they have to steal their "humor" from Saturday Night Live?
This is a first, people actually defending Working Designs? The world must be coming to an end, just like the Working Designs company did because they couldn't make enough money due to all of their burnt bridges.
I'm surprised that this is the first time you've encountered this. Working Designs are untouchable around here.
Now before I'm shunned from the Turbo community, I haven't actually questioned anything WD has ever done yet. 8-[
But instead of quitting while I'm ahead ( #-o)I'll just say that I too did not appreciate the Hanz 'n Franz character in Popful Mail and that that was the breaking point when I began skipping through the dialogue entirely.
Working Designs was actually a good decade ahead of their time, because although cartoons didn't sound anything like that back then, now every CGI family film, whether starring forest animals or penguins in Antarctica, is all about gettin' jiggy with the hip poppin' fresh culture references.
Except of course Working Designs' at the time were older than the average player of their games.
I'll take this last opportunity to apologize for my blasphemy before the agents break down my door. :wink:
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Anyone who enjoys Working Designs' humor needs to have their head examined. A lot of their jokes were passable when their games were new, but they haven't aged well at all. I cringe at the Christy Love reference everytime I see it in Dragon Force. :?
I don't hate Working Designs, if they didn't exist, then I wouldn't have been able to play some of my favorite games of all time. But honestly, their humor sucks. As does their localization for certain games - Shining Widsom being the most attrocious example that I've run across.
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And is Lunar 2 really the most appropriate place to bash Bill Clinton? Why would anyone on Lunar even know who Clinton is? It makes no sense. I bet Victor Ireland has ringworms in his anus.
The issue here isn't whether Popful Mail is cartoony and thus justified, it's that pretty much ALL of Working Designs' games are like this, serious like Lunar/Dragon Force or cartoony like Popful Mail and, umm, that's it. They all have the same "humor" and lame references to pop culture. CGI movies these days suck, unless they're from Pixar. And they only get about every other movie they make right.
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I voted Neutopia III. I'm a huge fan of the originals, so I'm dying to play this one. However, I'm still really looking forward to the other games like PC Gunjin, Xymati, and Mysterious Song.
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I'm eagerly awaiting the long delayed Nintendo e-reader series! Game and Watch, and the Mario 3 series 3 and 4! They are going to kick ass!
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Well I guess I need my head examined, I always enjoyed their humor. They were capable of some damned fine serious translations too when the game called for it, like Growlanser 2 & 3, Arc the Lad, and Alundra (some jokes in there too, but overall a very serious game). Sure some of their jokes missed, but I always felt their characters were always very well written and the jokes were in appropriate places, for example the clinton joke in Lunar 2 is some random NPC that you have to talk to twice to even get him to say it so you actually have to go out of your way to see it.
Personally I miss them, I always looked forward to their releases and really enjoyed their writing. They're one of the few companies where I can't sell off their games because of the good memories attached to them.
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Ditto!
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Well I guess I need my head examined, I always enjoyed their humor. They were capable of some damned fine serious translations too when the game called for it, like Growlanser 2 & 3, Arc the Lad, and Alundra (some jokes in there too, but overall a very serious game). Sure some of their jokes missed, but I always felt their characters were always very well written and the jokes were in appropriate places, for example the clinton joke in Lunar 2 is some random NPC that you have to talk to twice to even get him to say it so you actually have to go out of your way to see it.
Personally I miss them, I always looked forward to their releases and really enjoyed their writing. They're one of the few companies where I can't sell off their games because of the good memories attached to them.
They were capable of some damned fine serious translations/writing, which is why it was disappointing when some of their titles that deserved such got the poo poo humour treatment.
Cosmic Fantasy 2 was perfectly balanced with wacky humour and from what I remember, Exile had an awesome dark dramatic plot that complemented that game.
I don't remember too many specifics after that, but I do remember being disappointed whenever a game I was enjoying got tainted with occasional lowbrow jokey/cheezy comment("The world is my oyster!!!") in the main dialogue(random npc's can say anything as far as I'm concerned, even swipes at U.S. Democats :wink:).
But even in the worst cases, the games were enjoyable overall and I'm glad that Working Designs was around to bring so many fun titles over here and I'll always be a WD fan.
It's just crazy how at some places online people won't accept a single less than positive comment about them in any specific way, let alone in general. Plus the fact that zealous WD fans aren't content to simply say that they appreciate the writing, but insist that it's all genius. I can't think of any other publisher that I've seen fans of react to potential criticism in the same way.
I guess its the underdog syndrome, like Turbo fans that defend the TG-16/PCE so rabidly, even in the face of obvious ignorance.
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I agree with GUTS on this. And also, dated humor or not, I still feel it's a helluva lot more entertaining than the typical NPC conversations. I could give a crap less about the nearest inn, I'd rather hear old Clinton jokes or even better, Guy Kazama refrences.
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Dude, if WD games were laced with Guy Kazama references they'd still be in business, for sure. And RICH!
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I agree with GUTS on this. And also, dated humor or not, I still feel it's a helluva lot more entertaining than the typical NPC conversations. I could give a crap less about the nearest inn, I'd rather hear old Clinton jokes or even better, Guy Kazama refrences.
At least Clinton jokes are jokes, where as many NPC's just spout jingles like "Where's the beef?" and "Calgon take me away" like bad season 4+ Family Guy.
Speaking of Family Guy, the dated pop culture references reminded me of the episode when Stewie was in acting class and the girl says "You are the weakest link goodbye". :P
If Working Designs was still around, by the time their next release made it out, it'd be filled woodsman and pixies spouting one liners like "Not gonna catch me ridin' dirty", "Seacrest out", "Kitchen Fresh Chicken" and "Deal or no deal".
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Those lines are too new. Remember, all WD games are delayed substantially. So if a new WD came out on Tuesday, it'd have lines like "Phone a friend" and fantastic humor about George W. Bush choking on a pretzel.
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Those lines are too new. Remember, all WD games are delayed substantially. So if a new WD came out on Tuesday, it'd have lines like "Phone a friend" and fantastic humor about George W. Bush choking on a pretzel.
That's why I said "by the time their next release made it out." :wink:
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Neutopia 3 WILL have odd and hard-to-find content in it, that's for sure. Whatever it will be is a secret, but it will be there. Ha ha!
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TongueMan's Logic (http://www.chrismcovell.com/) is not on that list?
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I agree with GUTS, except that I don't need my head examined. Their translations kicked ass -- the out-of-place humor was part of what made Dragon Force more fun (because otherwise it was kind of like "Dark Wizard lite", so the translation/humor helped give it its own style).
The reason I ended up disliking WD was because they started lying about things like PSX Thunder Force 5 having a hidden boss (it doesn't), and they decided to start bringing out shitty games like Silpheed: Lost Planet, RayCrisis, and the Lunar 2 remake. Yeah, maybe Lunar 2 PSX wasn't *that* bad, but they delayed the game forever and still "didn't have time" to add the Star Tower theme? Come on. I could forgive the poor shooter selection as Victor Ireland's poor personal taste (he actually said RayCrisis was awesome, and DoDonPachi sucked, you know?) but the lies were inexcusable. When asked about how to reach TF5's "secret boss" on the WD message board, he... forgot where it was. But insisted that it was there.
It's not.
But at least their stuff up until then was perfect, and they ended off their career with some nice games there, too (Arc collection, Growlanser collection).
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I personally loved both their Lunar remakes, & they became 2 of my favorite games ever. However, I hadn't played the Sega CD versions until years later, so, it's a different experience for me.
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What sucks about WD is that they took ALL the credit for EVERYTHING. Even today most people believe WD actually DEVELOPED games like Lunar, etc.
Bastards.
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Although they didn't turn out the way I wanted(non-random battles), I liked both Lunar remakes for Saturn(I haven't finished LMS).
I only tried the PSX version of Lunar SSS, which wasn't total garbage after all the downgrades. But the load & save times were way to long. WD really should've tried to get them shorter like they did for Albert Odyssey(another good overall WD script I believe) and if they did, well then I appreciate the couple of hours of my life they saved me.
I've heard lots of stories of Victor Ireland being arogant in interviews, press releases, fan chats, reviews, etc, but I never got into the politics of the company.
I don't hate any publishers personally, but can understand more how some people do hate particular companies over the blind devotion that other publishers recieve.
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What sucks about WD is that they took ALL the credit for EVERYTHING. Even today most people believe WD actually DEVELOPED games like Lunar, etc.
Bastards.
I don't think WD took the credit for everything, but the WD fanboys made the impression.
By the way, I liked the Lunar remakes also, I don't think they're as bad as people say. I do prefer the originals more (and I even played those ones afterwards) but they're all good.
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And by the way again, Tongueman's Logic rules! I was addicted to the demo he released and look forward to the full version when it's done. I hear he is having problems finding a musician, which is kind of odd to me since those seem to be easy to find. Maybe he needs PSG musicians?
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I am playing through Magic Knight Rayearth right now and the title screen says something like "Translation ©1992-1996 Working Designs", so I think they only took credit for the translations. I'll have to try and stomach my way through the Exile games next.
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I have the Saturn version of L: SSS, & it seems like it's worse then the PS1 version. There's slowdown everywhere, I remember the first cave especially, it just looked & felt horrible. I don't remember the PS1 version being like that, so I've never understood people's complaints against it.
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Working Designs did an awesome job with Rayearth. I think that's one of their best, personally.
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I have the Saturn version of L: SSS, & it seems like it's worse then the PS1 version. There's slowdown everywhere, I remember the first cave especially, it just looked & felt horrible. I don't remember the PS1 version being like that, so I've never understood people's complaints against it.
The battle bg's went from super colorful on Saturn to Genesis looking on PSX. Most of the Saturn specific effects were replaced by mediocre ones instead of taking advantage of the PSX's strengths. Other than the load & Saving times, I don't remember everything specifically, but I played the Saturn version to death for a couple years before trying the PSX version.
Going in, I expected the same game with some improvements. I was shocked at how much was lost in the translation. Same with Grandia, again 2 things that really stood out were the seriously degraded battle bg's and ruined Saturn sfx.
I've never heard anyone say anything negative about either PSX Lunar before. I just remember my own experience.
What sucks about WD is that they took ALL the credit for EVERYTHING. Even today most people believe WD actually DEVELOPED games like Lunar, etc.
Bastards.
I don't think WD took the credit for everything, but the WD fanboys made the impression.
By the way, I liked the Lunar remakes also, I don't think they're as bad as people say. I do prefer the originals more (and I even played those ones afterwards) but they're all good.
I prefer the Lunar SSS remake to the original. I still like the original for what it is, but it's not so hot aesthetically or gameplay wise and feels like(and probably is) an unfinished game.
But Lunar EB Sega-CD is the opposite. I think it'll always be underappreciated for what it is, even though it enjoys a pretty good rep. It's more impressive to me than any of the big SNES RPG's.
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Working Designs did an awesome job with Rayearth. I think that's one of their best, personally.
Yeah, Rayearth was one of their best localizations. I like how they left the "puuu?" voice of the little animal intact. :P
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I'll have to try and stomach my way through the Exile games next.
The WD humor is pretty toned down in the Exile games. There was one cool line a boss said which was "It will be our Cosmic Fantasy!", but beside that the only one I can really think of is "Man that guy has bad B.O." or something. Oh and also in Exile 2, there were signs that advertised Cosmic Fantasy 3 I think, much like how Cosmic Fantasy 2 did.
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Yeah, in Exile 2, if you go into the bushes near the god of hate's lair, you meet up with someone, & they talk about going over to Cosmic Fantasy 3, & Nayam wants to sing in it, but then he says something like I'll see you in Exile 3.
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Working Designs did an awesome job with Rayearth. I think that's one of their best, personally.
Agreed, it's really good. The pop-culture references aren't overwhelming. So far I've seen a Bob Vila reference (do they know who he is in Tokyo?) and I think maybe one other thing. Other than that it lets me enjoy the game.
I don't mind companies advertising their other games in a game.
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Working Designs did an awesome job with Rayearth. I think that's one of their best, personally.
Agreed, it's really good. The pop-culture references aren't overwhelming. So far I've seen a Bob Vila reference (do they know who he is in Tokyo?) and I think maybe one other thing. Other than that it lets me enjoy the game.
I don't mind companies advertising their other games in a game.
Bob Vila sama is a major celebrity in Japan. He got paid $4 million for his last wasabi commercial. :wink:
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The original Exile had a lot of good dialogue but Exile II had a couple of "ruin spots" where they just dropped the ball, such as talking about how the cable was cut and no more MST3K. Little things like that diminished some of the seriousness of the game. Of course, couple that with the bugs list that's a mile long and it turned out feeling like a half-assed attempt at a sequel to a game that could never be properly sequelled in the first place. For the Lunar games...I never played the original Eternal Blue, but I did pick up a copy of the PSX remake...and owned it for 10 minutes before returning it to the store. The game was CRAP. Silver Star Story was decent, I liked the expansive storyline, but the game mechanics compared to the original was also crap and the game just felt like a constant drag that was very hard to enjoy.
Anyone ever play Vay? The humor in that one is actually pretty decent...of particular note are the talking horses and dogs ("Do you expect me to give you some vital information? I'm just a dog!") and the reference to karaoke singers...
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The original Exile had a lot of good dialogue but Exile II had a couple of "ruin spots" where they just dropped the ball, such as talking about how the cable was cut and no more MST3K. Little things like that diminished some of the seriousness of the game. Of course, couple that with the bugs list that's a mile long and it turned out feeling like a half-assed attempt at a sequel to a game that could never be properly sequelled in the first place. For the Lunar games...I never played the original Eternal Blue, but I did pick up a copy of the PSX remake...and owned it for 10 minutes before returning it to the store. The game was CRAP. Silver Star Story was decent, I liked the expansive storyline, but the game mechanics compared to the original was also crap and the game just felt like a constant drag that was very hard to enjoy.
Anyone ever play Vay? The humor in that one is actually pretty decent...of particular note are the talking horses and dogs ("Do you expect me to give you some vital information? I'm just a dog!") and the reference to karaoke singers...
I love Vay, it's a good plain RPG and it gets bonus points from me for having a Dragon Slayer style display. I also like all the hidden stuff and the rings(?) with effects. I remember that the last area's music reminded me of Thriller and thast the final boss music was all of a sudden crazy techno unlike anything in the game before.
Vay is all over the place, so any jokiness doesn't detract from the game. But WD actually added to the game's darkness. Even though I never got attached to the characters, that scene where someone gets killed was disturbing.
But Vay is another game where if WD didn't artificially increase the difficulty again, they should've at least fixed the few super long boss battles.
The Lunar EB remake should've just upgraded the graphics and cinemas and left it as-is. I hope that WD didn't add in the paying to save the game feature again with the PSX version? :?
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Well, for what it's worth, I do like the fact that WD did some reprogramming of the bg's in Exile 2, so that there was some depth to some of the levels. The main one being the first levels clouds, which, in the Jp version, were totally static!
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That "pay to save" in Lunar 2 never really bothered me, and I am a save whore. I always had more than enough whatever-it-was that I had to pay, except maybe in the very beginning of the game. I thought Lunar 1 was super-short, but pretty good. I think Lunar 2 is a lot better if you've played through Lunar 1 first, and I played them back to back (followed by the ever-so-spectacular DS Lunar). I have never played the PS or Saturn Lunars, but I would like to have the MPEG version along with the MPEG card for my Saturn. Somebody send me an MPEG card NOW!
Did Victor Ireland and Bernie Stolar have a bad break-up from a sexual relationship or something? I know they hated each other and that hatred was basically the reason Dragon Force II never came to the US. How wrong are my facts?
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WD left Sega after getting a shitty booth location at E3 or CES or wherever it was. It was some petty shit followed by petty shit. Both those guys are f*cking a$$holes and the US Saturn market could have been loads better if they were just...more cool.
Obviously Bernie could be blamed for DF2 %100 since he headed SoA at the time, and that is a Sega produced game in Japan. Even if WD wasn't interested, Sega should have been publishing the DF games themselves in the first place. Same with Sakura Wars, the rest of Shining Force, and supporting the RAM cart(s).
As long as this has turned into a WD thread, I'll just give my two cents. Vic is a puerile egotist and his crap company got what it deserved. Building a huge fan base around putting someone else's (usually) excellent product in a (way too) shiny box with English text is a piss poor situation. The more people complained about their idiotic "humor", and multi-year delays, the more idiotic the humor got, and the games were even later eventually leaving us with a situation where...it was almost like WD was holding Lunar for ransom, and the ransom was that they had to listen to their retarded jokes. Like...Vogon poetry...
Atlus is everything people thought WD was (ie: niche gaming saviour) . They translate the game, do it on a regular schedule, and get the f*ck out of the way. Would Summon Night be cooler with stupid fold up paper people, or a crap puppet? No. It wouldn't. I like a good LE as much as the next guy, but really WD's LEs weren't that great most of the time, and even when the stuff turned out cool (the pendant from Lunar 2) they pack in a half dozen other stupid-ass things like paper people or "hilarious" audio bloopers from stupid English voice actors I didn't want to hear in the first place.
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Atlus has always been pretty cool, but that f*cking douchebag that works for them Vyerslives or whatever on their message board has soured me on the company. He's a total ass f*ck prick to everyone who doesn't worship their company, I stopped visiting their forums after reading some super un-professional posts by the guy. If anyone from Microsoft or some other company pulled that shit they'd be fired in a second, but Atlus lets him get away with it for some reason. As a result all the regulars there think they have free reign to be total cock suckers too.
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I used to talk to one of the Shirley Bros. every so often, & whichever one it was, he was really cool. We'd talk for a an hour about different games for the Turbo, & what they were looking forward to, & what they were planning on doing, etc. Those were good times.
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Well, for what it's worth, I do like the fact that WD did some reprogramming of the bg's in Exile 2, so that there was some depth to some of the levels. The main one being the first levels clouds, which, in the Jp version, were totally static!
If that's true, then that's awesome. :D I'd still wonder if WD really did it from scratch or if it was something leftover from the developer like the changes to Magical Chase.
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I'm not sure if they did it from scratch, but it sounded like they did. But I have both versions, & they deffinitly improved the graphics some for their release.
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Adding scrolling to a section of the BG isn't hard to do. They did it for Popful Mail as well.
Update: Found a masturbation joke in Magic Knight Rayearth. Was rolling on the floor laughing for 2 straight hours. Those WD guys are just TOO witty!
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Adding scrolling to a section of the BG isn't hard to do. They did it for Popful Mail as well.
If I understand the technical issues correctly, adding parallax to a pce game is much more involved than doing the same for Genny, Sega CD, etc. because the pce parallax was achieved by coding since the hardware didn't support extra planes like Genny and company...
That said, I don't think that adding parallax in Exile 2 was God's gift (via WD) to tg-16 fans, though the gesture was nice.
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Since I PWN Exile 2, I'll have to play it to see these highly coveted background scrolling sequences. Then I will decide how much work WD did. If it isn't much, I will want a partial refund for the game since I bought it brand new at release and have PWND it ever since.
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Highly coveted? They're really nothing special. I bought it brand new as well and never thought twice about whether it had parallax or not.
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Same here, though it has been awhile... a very loooong while since I have played it. I can still remember the opening voice, though... "SSssssssssssaaaaadlerrrrr. I have come from afar..... to sspeed you to your... desssssstiny!"
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I didn't say it was highly coveted, I just think it was cool that they did it :dance:
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It is highly coveted and cherished by all Turbo fans. Case closed!
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I sold mine for $10 less that retail six or seven years after buying it. I then sold the cardboard slip-case thing to someone for $5 so I basically paid $5 to rent the game for a very long time. In that time I only finished it once because the collision is *horrible* even though the cinemas are great.
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The collision detection is so bad in Exile II, it's really ashame too since the concept of the game is so great. If the collision was fixed and had music more like the first one, then I'd prefer it over the original. Since it doesn't, I like the first one more.
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It is highly coveted and cherished by all Turbo fans. Case closed!
I know you're jesting, but Exile 2 is shunned by most folks. It wasn't until we had some lengthy discussions about it here that I decided to give it another chance. Paying full-price for this game left a bad taste in my mouth for a long time.
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My only problem with Exile II is the way Sadler runs 1 inch away from the edge of the screen, its maddening. I can handle the difficulty and bad collision detection, that didn't bother me too much. Its a shame that Working Designs didn't have more time with the game, since they added some parallax they probably could have fixed all the other problems if they had waited 6 months to publish it.
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It is highly coveted and cherished by all Turbo fans. Case closed!
I know you're jesting, but Exile 2 is shunned by most folks. It wasn't until we had some lengthy discussions about it here that I decided to give it another chance. Paying full-price for this game left a bad taste in my mouth for a long time.
The game may be shunned by the small number of game playing Turbo/PCE owners, but the collector's love jacking up the price of this dust magnet.
I loved the original and tried really hard to get through the Turbo sequal, but got stuck at one boss and gave up for good. I still hope to give it another chance some day.
I didn't say it was highly coveted, I just think it was cool that they did it :dance:
Exactly. Even when WD did stuff I didn't like(like charging to save), it's cool that they did some actual programming to try to improve some games. I really wanted to see how their Neo Geo ports would've turned out.
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Yeah, I hope that someday, somehow, those Neo Geo ports will make it onto the net or something. Because that Shirley Brother I used to talk to, said they were done. As for Exile 2, I do enjoy the game, but like Guts said, I don't like how close you get to the end of the screen. I do like the music better in the first one, but, in a way, I'd say the music fits the 2nd game better.
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Ahh yes I forgot about the bad scrolling Exile II. You had to be like 32 pixels from the end of the screen for it to scroll, it was really annoying.
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I remember Exile 1 and 2 both being super-baby-easy, like Cadash. I know I beat them both, so they must be easy.
Exile II runs 1 inch from the edge of the screen? Just like Popful Mail! Damn Working Designs and Victor Ireland, why is he always drunk when he decides where to place my character in relation to the edge of the screen?
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The original Exile was pretty easy once you learned the game. Exile II was hard but for the wrong reasons. Once you learned the flaws though, you could easily learn ways to exploit them and the game ended up being almost as easy as the first. Most people never made it past Djinn though, I can't tell you how many emails I've gotten from frustrated players wanting to know how to beat that a$$hole. I always thought Djinn should be the final boss, because the real final boss of the game was a pathetic joke, even compared to the creampuff final boss of the original Exile. And the Japanese version is even easier.
The sad part is that Exile II, due to its glitches, flaws, and annoyances (such as the ultra-annoying dialogue sound effect!), has little replay value whereas the original Exile has plenty of replay value despite being easier and a little shorter.
Cadash? Relatively easy, depending on who you play as and your knowledge of enemy patterns and level makeup. I found the Ninja, despite having low attack power at the beginning, to be the most powerful character once you make it into the second world and ESPECIALLY after obtaining the Dagger Of Swallow. Now there's a game again with plenty of replay value, I must have played all three versions (Arcade, TG, and Genesis) hundreds of times over.
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I've never found any part in Exile II, besides the last dungeon (mainly due to it's subboss), to be difficult really. Dijin took me a few tries to beat, but he was pretty easy once I got the hang of it.
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Who's Dijin, is that the god of hate? Anyways, yeah, the only really difficult part for me, is & always has been the last level of Exile 2, but, I've beaten it, so, it's beatable :dance:
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The original Exile was pretty easy once you learned the game. Exile II was hard but for the wrong reasons. Once you learned the flaws though, you could easily learn ways to exploit them and the game ended up being almost as easy as the first. Most people never made it past Djinn though, I can't tell you how many emails I've gotten from frustrated players wanting to know how to beat that a$$hole. I always thought Djinn should be the final boss, because the real final boss of the game was a pathetic joke, even compared to the creampuff final boss of the original Exile. And the Japanese version is even easier.
The sad part is that Exile II, due to its glitches, flaws, and annoyances (such as the ultra-annoying dialogue sound effect!), has little replay value whereas the original Exile has plenty of replay value despite being easier and a little shorter.
Cadash? Relatively easy, depending on who you play as and your knowledge of enemy patterns and level makeup. I found the Ninja, despite having low attack power at the beginning, to be the most powerful character once you make it into the second world and ESPECIALLY after obtaining the Dagger Of Swallow. Now there's a game again with plenty of replay value, I must have played all three versions (Arcade, TG, and Genesis) hundreds of times over.
I totally agree: Exile and Cadash have great replay value. And Cadash is a blast because the choice of characters provide a slightly different experience through the game (Tangent: Dungeon Explorer is kool like this as well, assuming you use the powerups to focus on the characters' strengths).
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I'm definitely one of those that got stuck on Exile 2. And yeah, that whole "you gotta be at the edge of the screen before you scroll" was annoying as hell.
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Djinn is Do-Tar's guardian, the sub-boss of the final areas, who appears at the end of The Great Ark.
Crully is the god of hate at the top of the Spire Of Eternity. The game is definately beatable once you work the flaws to your advantage (killing the bat-things in the Tower Of Souls using Rumi's edge-of-screen-knife-flaw comes to mind...those things are a pain otherwise).
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Djinn is Do-Tar's guardian, the sub-boss of the final areas, who appears at the end of The Great Ark.
Crully is the god of hate at the top of the Spire Of Eternity. The game is definately beatable once you work the flaws to your advantage (killing the bat-things in the Tower Of Souls using Rumi's edge-of-screen-knife-flaw comes to mind...those things are a pain otherwise).
Whoops, I thought Djinn was that dude with the axe that joins your party. But yeah, that Dijin guy is tough.
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I made it to the waterfall boss, pulled off the most amazing acrobatic gaming skillz you've (n)ever seen and still couldn't beat the cheapo. I haven't played it since.
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That would be Lawrence. Once you get him, he completely kicks ass in the three areas that follow. But yeah, he's a cheapo when you fight him, and it's mainly due to the aforementioned problems with the game engine itself.
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You guys really know your Exile II. You must be real diehard fans of that game.
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Most of the games I've played hundreds of times, I can recall specific details for. Maybe I should write an Exile II guide or something...