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Title: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 14, 2007, 02:18:03 PM
I like Dragon's Lair for what it is, but I also like Dragon's Slayer the Legend of Heros (or whichever the hell one came out on the Turbo in the US, I simply can't keep track of them all). I think Dragon's Lair is perhaps a bit more dragony.
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Kitsunexus on April 14, 2007, 02:35:44 PM
Wait, are you referring to the FMV Dragon's Lair, or the side-scrolling spinoff of the FMV Dragon's Lair?
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 14, 2007, 02:45:59 PM
Either!
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Kitsunexus on April 14, 2007, 03:13:26 PM
Dragon's Lair, it actually made laserdisc players USEFUL.
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Post by: TR0N on April 14, 2007, 03:23:47 PM
Dragons Lair i didn't even know there was a Dragons Slayer FMV game!?
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Post by: Turbo D on April 14, 2007, 03:45:39 PM
I'd say dragons lair, that game was pretty awesome.
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Post by: Keranu on April 14, 2007, 03:52:36 PM
I haven't played the old FMV Dragon's Lair game yet, so I voted Dragon Slayer.
Quote from: Kitsunexus
Dragon's Lair, it actually made laserdisc players USEFUL.
What do you mean by that? Laserdisc players are a fantastic media format for watching movies and ever since I got one, I find it more useful than a DVD or VHS player.
Quote from: Joe Redifer
Dragon's Slayer the Legend of Heros
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I recall you jumping on someone for incorrect spelling before, referring to "definitely" I believe. Shame be upon you for this one, Joe!
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Kitsunexus on April 14, 2007, 04:00:26 PM
Dragon's Lair, it actually made laserdisc players USEFUL.
What do you mean by that? Laserdisc players are a fantastic media format for watching movies and ever since I got one, I find it more useful than a DVD or VHS player.
VideoCD PWNS Laserdisc...
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Post by: Joe Redifer on April 14, 2007, 04:05:14 PM
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Shame be upon you for this one, Joe!
Yeah, I deserve it!
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VideoCD PWNS Laserdisc...
Sega CD Virtual VCR PWNS VideoCD, LaserDisc, DVD, VHS, Beta, BluRay, HD-DVD, real life, etc.
Keranu, do you want to buy any of my LaserDiscs? Some of them are DTS only, though.
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on April 14, 2007, 04:09:20 PM
I haven't played the old FMV Dragon's Lair game yet, so I voted Dragon Slayer.
Quote from: Kitsunexus
Dragon's Lair, it actually made laserdisc players USEFUL.
What do you mean by that? Laserdisc players are a fantastic media format for watching movies and ever since I got one, I find it more useful than a DVD or VHS player.
Quote from: Joe Redifer
Dragon's Slayer the Legend of Heros
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I recall you jumping on someone for incorrect spelling before, referring to "definitely" I believe. Shame be upon you for this one, Joe!
Actually, the correct english spelling is Legend of Gyro's! Silly Falcom doesn't always translate things correctly, Dalk Fukt comes to mind!
And, Dragon Slayer all the way!
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 14, 2007, 07:43:42 PM
I'd take Dark Fact over Dulk Fukt any day.
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Post by: termis on April 14, 2007, 08:14:34 PM
Dragon Slayer's a better game, but Dragon's Lair is definitely more "dragony".
Playing through Dragon Slayer II right now (about 2/3 of the way through). Not too impressed with this one. Game progresses way too slowly, and even when you characters are properly equipped and leveled up, a weak peon takes 8-10 hits before you kill it. It puts way too much emphasis on level raising & money collecting. As average it is, Part I is still a much better game.
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Post by: guyjin on April 14, 2007, 09:08:13 PM
never played dragon slayer, but it must be better than dragon's lair, which is UTTER SHIT. ](*,)
it singlehandedly destroyed LaserDisc as a format.
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: FM-77 on April 15, 2007, 01:44:37 AM
Both are bad games, but I chose Dragon Slayer, because it isn't as bad.
I haven't played the old FMV Dragon's Lair game yet, so I voted Dragon Slayer.
Quote from: Kitsunexus
Dragon's Lair, it actually made laserdisc players USEFUL.
What do you mean by that? Laserdisc players are a fantastic media format for watching movies and ever since I got one, I find it more useful than a DVD or VHS player.
Quote from: Joe Redifer
Dragon's Slayer the Legend of Heros
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I recall you jumping on someone for incorrect spelling before, referring to "definitely" I believe. Shame be upon you for this one, Joe!
Actually, the correct english spelling is Legend of Gyro's! Silly Falcom doesn't always translate things correctly, Dalk Fukt comes to mind!
And, Dragon Slayer all the way!
What about Dulk Dekt or Malficius?
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Post by: esteban on April 15, 2007, 07:20:46 AM
Actually, the correct english spelling is Legend of Gyro's! Silly Falcom doesn't always translate things correctly, Dalk Fukt comes to mind!
And, Dragon Slayer all the way!
What about Dulk Dekt or Malficius?
Yeah, is that from the SMS version of Ys? I remember looking at the instruction manual not too long ago... but I thought it was some other name...
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Post by: FM-77 on April 15, 2007, 07:35:26 AM
The Master System box says Dark Dekt, the game says Dulk Dekt. Neither of these translations were made by Falcom, nor was Malificus.
I don't think Falcom ever intended the name to be Dark Fact though. They've NEVER used that translation themselves. AFAIK, only Ys 1-2 TG uses that name.
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Post by: Keranu on April 15, 2007, 08:39:48 AM
The Master System box says Dark Dekt, the game says Dulk Dekt. Neither of these translations were made by Falcom, nor was Malificus.
I don't think Falcom ever intended the name to be Dark Fact though. They've NEVER used that translation themselves. AFAIK, only Ys 1-2 TG uses that name.
As retarded as it sounds, I think is is supposed to be Dulk Fukt. Multiple Japanese sites romanize "ダルク・ファクト (Daruku Fakuto)" as "Dulk Fukt", and even Falcom's own site hints this (look at Hugo "Fukt") for the official Ys Origin website here (http://www.falcom.co.jp/yso/character.html).
Personally, I'm glad they made him "Dark Fact" in the TCD version as opposed to "Dulk Fukt".
I guess it should be Dragon Slayer VII (VI? VIII?)-Part II? :-k Too many damn Roman numerals.
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Post by: FM-77 on April 15, 2007, 09:29:18 AM
More Dalk Fukt http://www.falcom.co.jp/licence/character/ys_e.html
More Daruku Fakuto http://www.falcom.co.jp/ys12cmp/ys1cmp2.html
He's just referred to as "Dalk" in the Falcom Classics (Saturn) game manuals.
Naw, Xanadu is Dragon Slayer 2. The "Dragon Slayer 2" you're talking about is Dragon Slayer 6 part 2.
The Legend of Xanadu is Dragon Slayer 8, whereas The Legend of Xanadu 2 is Dragon Slayer 8 part 2.
Meh, let's make the obligatory list for this to make any sense whatsoever...
Dragon Slayer 1 Dragon Slayer 2: Xanadu Dragon Slayer 3: Romancia (aka Dragon Slayer Jr.) Dragon Slayer 4: Draslefamily Dragon Slayer 5: Sorcerian (there are like a million different Sorcerian scenarios for Japanese computers) Dragon Slayer 6: The Legend of Heroes Dragon Slayer 6 pt 2: The Legend of Heroes 2 Dragon Slayer 7: Lord Monarch Dragon Slayer 8: The Legend of Xanadu Dragon Slayer 8 pt 2: The Legend of Xanadu 2 (+ Dragon Slayer Gaiden for Game Boy)
Note! The Legend of Heroes 3 and up is not part of the DS series, neither is Faxanadu, Xanadu Next or any other game that's related to either of the games in that list. Only those mentioned are part of the DS series.
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Kitsunexus on April 15, 2007, 12:42:55 PM
never played dragon slayer, but it must be better than dragon's lair, which is UTTER SHIT. ](*,)
it singlehandedly destroyed LaserDisc as a format.
You're entitled to your opinion about Dragon's Lair, but saying it ruined laserdisc is BULLSHIT. The game showed how laserdisc could be used creatively, it also showed it's great video quality. Unfortunately, it also showed how the arcade environment was not suitable for a laserdisc player, and so people shied away from the format, because they thought all the players had shitty build quality.
Except for the fact that the home is a lot better for a laser disc player than an arcade. However people weren't going to realize that.
So in summation, Dragon's Lair didn't ruin laserdisc, stupid f*cking mongoloids ruined laserdisc.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on April 15, 2007, 01:11:40 PM
More Dalk Fukt http://www.falcom.co.jp/licence/character/ys_e.html
More Daruku Fakuto http://www.falcom.co.jp/ys12cmp/ys1cmp2.html
He's just referred to as "Dalk" in the Falcom Classics (Saturn) game manuals.
Naw, Xanadu is Dragon Slayer 2. The "Dragon Slayer 2" you're talking about is Dragon Slayer 6 part 2.
The Legend of Xanadu is Dragon Slayer 8, whereas The Legend of Xanadu 2 is Dragon Slayer 8 part 2.
Meh, let's make the obligatory list for this to make any sense whatsoever...
Dragon Slayer 1 Dragon Slayer 2: Xanadu Dragon Slayer 3: Romancia (aka Dragon Slayer Jr.) Dragon Slayer 4: Draslefamily Dragon Slayer 5: Sorcerian (there are like a million different Sorcerian scenarios for Japanese computers) Dragon Slayer 6: The Legend of Heroes Dragon Slayer 6 pt 2: The Legend of Heroes 2 Dragon Slayer 7: Lord Monarch Dragon Slayer 8: The Legend of Xanadu Dragon Slayer 8 pt 2: The Legend of Xanadu 2 (+ Dragon Slayer Gaiden for Game Boy)
Note! The Legend of Heroes 3 and up is not part of the DS series, neither is Faxanadu, Xanadu Next or any other game that's related to either of the games in that list. Only those mentioned are part of the DS series.
Romancia seems pretty fun, I could be wrong, so it might be one of those titles we'll hack & patch n' stuff, put it on the Turbo, in english, with better graphics & music :D
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: FM-77 on April 15, 2007, 01:40:49 PM
Romancia sucks. A lot. Don't bother trying it out.
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Necromancer on April 16, 2007, 04:28:41 AM
One's on laserdisc and one's on the Turbo - therefore Dragon Slayer gets the win (it's more fun too).
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: FM-77 on April 16, 2007, 04:41:23 AM
Is this the only forum in the world where people have actually used laserdiscs?
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 16, 2007, 11:10:28 AM
Is this the only forum in the world where people have actually used laserdiscs?
Yeah (http://forumz.tomshardware.com/games/Laser-Disc-Players-forum-88.html) I (http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/community/forums/board/) believe (http://laserdisc.proboards86.com/index.cgi) so (http://)...
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Post by: Necromancer on April 16, 2007, 11:22:28 AM
Yeah, what the hell's this lazerdisk thing y'all are talking about? :-"
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 16, 2007, 11:25:15 AM
You're not gonna believe it, Ethel, it's a record player, that PLAYS MOVIES! IN COLOR GOSHDARNIT!
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: Joe Redifer on April 16, 2007, 12:21:58 PM
Keranu, I can't see my OUTBOX in my PM folder, so I can't just cut and paste the titles which I sent him (he was only interested in my RF Demodulator because he enjoys demodulating RF. Hell, who doesn't?) Is there any way that I would be allowed to see the PMs I've sent so I could copy and paste and send one to you? You're a mod. FIX IT NOW! Oh wait, you probably have to be an Admin to do that.
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: FM-77 on April 16, 2007, 12:34:29 PM
Joe, it's on the left side of the MY MESSAGES page, just below the Inbox text. You can also use this link to reach it directly:
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Post by: Turbo D on April 16, 2007, 12:36:22 PM
If you don't click this one box your outgoing messages wont be saved in the outbox. I think this is what happened to joe.
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: FM-77 on April 16, 2007, 12:46:33 PM
Actually messages are saved in the outbox by default.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on April 16, 2007, 01:49:16 PM
Yeah, there are no messages in my outbox. I checked earlier. And I never deleted it. I even checked my outbox right after I sent it and before Michael read it, and it wasn't there. I recently just sent him another PM and it isn't in my outbox, either.
I see the box Turbo D is talking about. That seems odd, it should be checked by default.
PS - I copied and pasted the text from another forum I posted it on long ago and sent Keranu a PM.
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Post by: Keranu on April 16, 2007, 01:58:29 PM
Sorry I can't do any actual forum change stuff, only the administrator can. I received your PM Joe, will reply!
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 16, 2007, 02:13:42 PM
BTW, the ultimate laserdisc game is the one that needed the MSX hooked up to the laserdisc player, what was that called?
Oh yeah, Star Fighters. I just like it for the graphics and music...
Title: Re: Dragon's Lair vs Dragon Slayer
Post by: guyjin on April 16, 2007, 03:58:35 PM
You're entitled to your opinion about Dragon's Lair, but saying it ruined laserdisc is BULLSHIT.
I didn't mean that literally; I was trying to be funny.
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Post by: Turbo D on April 16, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
I thought that it was funny :lol:
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Post by: Keranu on April 16, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
Those old laserdisc games were so high tech looking. My favorite is M.A.C.H. 3 (http://www.atarihq.com/coinops/laser/mach3.html), which the inferior After Burner game shamefully rip offed :) .
By the way, that Star Fighters game looks sweet! I didn't know there were any MSX games that used laserdiscs.
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Post by: guyjin on April 16, 2007, 04:41:28 PM
Those old laserdisc games were so high tech looking. My favorite is M.A.C.H. 3 (http://www.atarihq.com/coinops/laser/mach3.html), which the inferior After Burner game shamefully rip offed :) .
By the way, that Star Fighters game looks sweet! I didn't know there were any MSX games that used laserdiscs.
Didn't sega have their own laserdisc shooter? it was in space...
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 17, 2007, 02:22:18 AM
Those old laserdisc games were so high tech looking. My favorite is M.A.C.H. 3 (http://www.atarihq.com/coinops/laser/mach3.html), which the inferior After Burner game shamefully rip offed :) .
By the way, that Star Fighters game looks sweet! I didn't know there were any MSX games that used laserdiscs.
Didn't sega have their own laserdisc shooter? it was in space...
Astro Belt, FTW...
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Post by: gundarN on April 17, 2007, 06:36:31 AM
I liked Firefox and Galaxy Ranger. I know I probably shouldn't, and if I were to play them today I would be appalled.
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 17, 2007, 10:59:33 AM
What about Cube Quest and Interstellar Laser Fantasy?
I mainly like the trippy CGI laser games.
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 17, 2007, 11:07:40 AM
Oh and unless I'm WAY wrong here, there was some laserdisc game by Taito that used the anime Ninja Scroll as it's video, and it was never released over here although we did receive a censored PS1 port. It was called Ninja Hayate, I think? There was also a game called Chuck Rock which used a Lupin the III anime movie, and some Space Cruiser Yamato game (WAVE GUN!).
EDIT: Aight so I WAS way wrong, Ninja Hayate is 1984 and is a completely original (and mainly family-friendly) anime, Ninja Scroll is 1993 (way past the laserdisc game novelty years) and would require HEAVY editing to be shown in arcades.
So Ninja Hayate did NOT use Ninja Scroll as it's video, my bad.
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Post by: Keranu on April 17, 2007, 11:17:56 AM
What about Cube Quest and Interstellar Laser Fantasy?
Whoa, stop. Tell me more about this Interstaller LASER Fantasy. This could be the coolest game ever made.
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 17, 2007, 11:30:37 AM
ISLF is really nothing to swoon over, I just like the CGI... http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/games/pages/ilf.asp
Oh and btw, the Chuck Rock game was wrong, my bad, I meant Cliff Hanger, lol!
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Post by: Hobo Xiphas on April 17, 2007, 11:40:02 AM
Jesus Christ.
INTERSTELLAR LASER FANTASY? And it is a LASERDISC game?!?!?!
I don't think anyone could ever come up with a better name in the history of humanity. We might as well press the button to launch the ICBMs, this game was the apex of human civilization!
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 17, 2007, 11:46:54 AM
Yeah if you call a time-limited on-rails space shooter with alright CGI the apex of human civilization... the graphics are a tad better than Cube Quest though...
The only worthy of note thing about the game was the canyon scene - it was created by taking a large styrofoam disk and blow torching a path through it, and then running the camera through it...
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Post by: Hobo Xiphas on April 17, 2007, 11:51:46 AM
The gameplay is secondary to the title of the game in this case.
INTERSTELLAR LASER FANTASY
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Post by: FM-77 on April 17, 2007, 12:05:04 PM
The person behind this avatar does not appreciate the direction this thread is going. :(
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 17, 2007, 12:11:27 PM
The person behind this avatar does not appreciate the direction this thread is going. :(
You don't want us to fulfill...your interstellar laser fantasies?
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Post by: Keranu on April 17, 2007, 02:41:24 PM
Ok it's official: INTERSTELLAR Laser Fantasy is the best title name ever made and just because of it's title name, it's the official best game ever made.
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Post by: BonkThis on April 23, 2007, 07:47:04 AM
Space Ace FTW! :dance:
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Post by: Kitsunexus on April 23, 2007, 11:59:16 AM