the problem is less the hardware, more the qualified people which will program on it.
I know. 'Tis but a dream. I still think it could be a money maker if it was done properly: go for the retro market as well as casual gamers and sell it cheap €50 – 80 and €20 a game. Still, it ain't gonna happen and the devs wouldn't be interested anyway.
That said, old computers do pop up in unusual forms. One of the kiddy toy computers about eight years ago was actually an Apple II in drag and then there's this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensch_Computer
More here: http://www.westerndesigncenter.com/wdc/mensch_computer.cfm
($995 if you're interested)
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Necromancer on June 05, 2007, 03:26:31 AM
It's an interesting idea, but not really feasible. A Gamecube or PS2 has far, far more horsepower than any of the 2D consoles had, and they can be bought brand new for $100 and $130, respectively. Just because they can do 3D graphics, doesn't mean that their games have to be in 3D. I can't see anyone being able to design, produce, and sell a new console that could undercut these two systems.
Genuine question and I mean in terms of game quality, not tech specs.
If technical specifications aren't important, than all of the consoles are pretty much equal. For any particular genre, there are damn good games on the NES, SNES, TG-16, NeoGeo, Genesis, etc. Some may look better than others, but that doesn't make the game any more entertaining or of higher quality. If you equate game quality to scaling, rotation, color count, parallax, or similar things, then you are actually talking about hardware capabilities. Based on objective abilities, the Saturn is the best 2D console as it is easily the most powerful (not surprising, considering it's also the newest).
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: FM-77 on June 05, 2007, 03:51:51 AM
It's an interesting idea, but not really feasible. A Gamecube or PS2 has far, far more horsepower than any of the 2D consoles had, and they can be bought brand new for $100 and $130, respectively. Just because they can do 3D graphics, doesn't mean that their games have to be in 3D. I can't see anyone being able to design, produce, and sell a new console that could undercut these two systems.
Actually, that's a really good point. Not only that but the economies of scale would make the fantasy console more expensive again, not only in terms of a manufacturer purchasing chips but also the overall level of sales of components. For example, the level of sales of a PowerPC core (as used in all three current gen consoles to one degree or another) might actually make them no more expensive on the open market than the modern descendant of an ageing and now specialist chip like the eZ80 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EZ80), Coldfire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coldfire) or 65816/65802 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/65816).
If technical specifications aren't important, than all of the consoles are pretty much equal. For any particular genre, there are damn good games on the NES, SNES, TG-16, NeoGeo, Genesis, etc. Some may look better than others, but that doesn't make the game any more entertaining or of higher quality. If you equate game quality to scaling, rotation, color count, parallax, or similar things, then you are actually talking about hardware capabilities. Based on objective abilities, the Saturn is the best 2D console as it is easily the most powerful (not surprising, considering it's also the newest).
More good points. I think I want at least PCE quality graphics and sound. Going back more than that they just seem too crude to my eyes now.
In the end I suppose it comes down to which has the best library plus the ever nebulous nostalgia factor.
I was never interested in the Neo Geo but am beginning to be. Bad sign. I'll probably buy one within a month.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Monster Bonce on June 09, 2007, 04:23:21 AM
I suppose lurking beneath the surface of my question is another question.
Should I buy a Neo Geo? Should I buy a Saturn?
I shouldn't be spending money right now so it'll be a while before I do, but, on balance, which is better (broad question, I know)? I already have a PC Engine, a PC Engine Duo, an N64 and a Wii. The Neo Geo is famed for its beat-'em-ups. I can't see me buying a lot of those—they're fun and all, but... I don't know.
Or should I just stick to the PCE/Duo? After all, I only have 15 PCE games (11 Hucard, 4 CD), about 6 N64 games, 2 Wii games and 5 VC games. There's still tonnes to find and play on the PCE.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: FM-77 on June 09, 2007, 04:30:09 AM
Do NOT buy a Neo-Geo. I repeat, do NOT! The system is madly expensive, the games are madly expensive, and the library consists of 99% beat-em-ups.
A Saturn is most certainly a good thing to have. Highly recommended. In addition, you really need to have a SNES and a Mega Drive. Obviously. :)
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Monster Bonce on June 09, 2007, 04:38:04 AM
I had a SNES back in the day. I might buy one again someday. I never liked the MD, though I did want to play Magical Flying Hat Turbo Adventure. When it became Decapattack I wasn't so interested, which probably says more about me than the game.
I was a SMS. I threw one out about 8 months ago, like the idiot I am.
Has the Neo Geo not come down in price? Even for older B and C grade ones?
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 09, 2007, 04:56:59 AM
The Neo Geo system itself isn't THAT expensive. I paid $125 for my current AES and that included a Universe BIOS (you want one) and an RGB bypass. Many games aren't expensive at all. You can find great games like Nam 1975, Magician Lord and similar for $30 and under, sometimes even brand new. Those aren't fighting games/beat 'em ups. There are other great AES games that go for a bit more, obviously, and some that might actually be considered somewhat expensive, like Neo Turf Masters (around $1800 or so). But seriously, the only ones who can't afford the Neo Geo are dirt poor and/or homeless people. And as we all know, homeless people do not deserve to be considered real human beings.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: td741 on June 09, 2007, 02:49:01 PM
You can just go the MVS (arcade board) route with a Neo-Geo as well. The games tend to be dirt cheap, and you've got the chance to purchase games that never officially made it to home format (i.e. Blazing Star).
There are a few consolized systems and superguns available. If you get yourself an MVS 2 slot, you only really need to wire a supergun for Video and power, the rest can be done on the board (stereo headphone out, and neo-geo stick connectors on the board).
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 09, 2007, 03:09:01 PM
Powerwise: Commodore CD32 (it's a f*cking AMIGA!!!) and the Neo·Geo.
Gamewise: The SNES, no contest.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: TR0N on June 09, 2007, 04:26:03 PM
You can just go the MVS (arcade board) route with a Neo-Geo as well. The games tend to be dirt cheap, and you've got the chance to purchase games that never officially made it to home format (i.e. Blazing Star).
There are a few consolized systems and superguns available. If you get yourself an MVS 2 slot, you only really need to wire a supergun for Video and power, the rest can be done on the board (stereo headphone out, and neo-geo stick connectors on the board).
Agreed man it's funny when people think there only option is a AES.
Given there are many ways to play MVS at home either by cab,consolized or running the mvs board through a supergun.
Collecting for the neo isn't that expensive.. if you pick the MVS route jmwalsh.
While the system is know for it's fighters it does has it's "share of sports,action platformers and shooters as well.
My setup is a cmvs 2-slot and so far i have 30+ games and i'm satisfy of 'what i got for it right now.
Not to put the saturn down either since i have one too.
Since the saturn is great for shooters and all.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 09, 2007, 04:28:48 PM
Given there are many ways to play MVS at home either by cab,consolized or running the mvs board through a supergun.
You forgot the Phantom converter cart.
Please that thing is trash i had one when i own a AES.
Some games would play fine while others wouldn't not to mention, it doesn't work on ..any snkp titles thanks to the lockout those titles have.
I'd all most the recomend the, Super MVS Converter II but again i've seen the reviews on that it will play every thing, but you can end up with a glitch in the graphics.
Realy playing mvs carts on it's original hardware is the best way to go about it.
Nuff said!
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 09, 2007, 05:09:37 PM
You didn't mention sac-carts. It's the only use for those Ragnagard and World Heroes AES cartridges.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: TR0N on June 09, 2007, 06:19:47 PM
The CD-32 sucked ass, unless you REALLY like James Pond and that sort of shit.
Über word. Couldn't agree more. The real Amiga featured many nice games, but for some reason they chose to pretty much only port the junk to the CD-32.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 10, 2007, 07:14:57 AM
The CD-32 sucked ass, unless you REALLY like James Pond and that sort of shit.
Yeah, but that's why you get the system module so you can play the floppy games. EVERYBODY knows the Amiga floppy games are better than the CD games.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 10, 2007, 10:28:44 AM
Everybody? Even George W. Bush? How about Eric Estrada and Lindsay Lohan, have they been made aware of this as well? Well, you said EVERYBODY so surely they must know.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 10, 2007, 10:31:50 AM
Everybody? Even George W. Bush? How about Eric Estrada and Lindsay Lohan, have they been made aware of this as well? Well, you said EVERYBODY so surely they must know.
They probably do, I've just never asked them. :P
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 10, 2007, 12:05:58 PM
The Jaguar was the most nuclear-capable console ever. Tons of bombs on that thing.
OK who here LOL'd at that?
I won't lie. I grimaced.
And I don't mean that purple pedo thing.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 10, 2007, 04:13:28 PM
To mess with the MVS and AES subject again,the Phantom 1 worked well, I had one a couple of years back before I switched over to MVS stuff. The problem with it was not liking newer games,and the death grip it had on carts. It was hard to place on and remove carts. For the price you would have to spend on a AES console and a Phantom 1 or Super MVS converter you could afford to buy a consolized 2 Slot and some games.
MVS carts are far cheaper,and are constructed better then the AES carts. You also have a larger selection to choose from readily available on ebay and other net shops dealing in arcade hardware. Average MVS cart prices tend to be from $7-90 depending on the game. If you want to own Shock Troopers or Blazing Star its a easier task with a MVS in your hands.
Yea the NEO has a ton of fighters,but it also has a ton of other types of games,shooters,top view racers,puzzle titles,action games,and sports games. The Saturn is a great system too,for its 2d and its 3d depending on the games you plan to buy. Neither system can do wrong in my eyes.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: TR0N on June 10, 2007, 04:49:27 PM
To mess with the MVS and AES subject again,the Phantom 1 worked well, I had one a couple of years back before I switched over to MVS stuff. The problem with it was not liking newer games,and the death grip it had on carts. It was hard to place on and remove carts. For the price you would have to spend on a AES console and a Phantom 1 or Super MVS converter you could afford to buy a consolized 2 Slot and some games.
Agreed that's why i don't recomend the Phantom 1 to any body.
Had the same experince as well with the converter and i still, see it as junk and to be overated as well.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 12, 2007, 10:52:58 PM
Take a look at this.
http://www.chicago-gaming.com/alegends.php
They need to start making something like this more cheaper so that everybody can afford them. It basically is an arcade machine cabinet with great arcade games already installed on it. I would get one (especially for the mortal kombat, ghost'n goblins and goulsn' ghost's), but I can't afford one. Damn things cost at least 2 grand.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 12, 2007, 11:01:37 PM
The monitor is laying too flat in the upright. I've never seen an arcade with a near-horizontal monitor unless it was one of those tabletops that you found at Godfather Pizza. Also the connection is probably s-video and not even RGB, and I wouldn't be surprised if the games were emulated.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 13, 2007, 05:56:43 AM
They have some of those that run in the $200 - $400 range. They're not very good, they're just game-on-chip units wired up to a subpar arcade cabinet.
It's like, if you WANT a multi-arcade cabinet, go build a MAME cab or liberate a Nintendo Playchoice from some abandoned bowling alley.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 13, 2007, 06:05:44 AM
I figured no one would believe me, so here you go:
To me, there's just something wrong about owning multi-cabs, I'd rather walk into a room full of old arcade cabinets that I owned, then just having one of these very poor emulators in the house.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Necromancer on June 13, 2007, 06:46:59 AM
I played around with one of those cabinets at a local Target and it was better than I expected. The cabinet wasn't very stout and the monitor sucked, but overall it was pretty decent for the price. Still, building your own MAME cabinet is the best choice.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 13, 2007, 09:16:55 AM
No, THIS is the best choice: the Arcadia Multi Select System!
IT'S A MULTI-GAME AMIGA POWERED ARCADE CABINET!!!
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/arcadia.html
Ninja Masters PWNZ!
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: SignOfZeta on June 13, 2007, 12:18:42 PM
The best 2D console right now that is still being supported would be the DS, or the PS2. If you consider the GBA still active (technically it is) then that pretty rad as well.
The best 2D systems of all time would be the NeoGeo (don't buy an AES, get an MVS), or Saturn. The DC is pretty great too.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 13, 2007, 11:01:42 PM
They have some of those that run in the $200 - $400 range. They're not very good, they're just game-on-chip units wired up to a subpar arcade cabinet.
It's like, if you WANT a multi-arcade cabinet, go build a MAME cab or liberate a Nintendo Playchoice from some abandoned bowling alley.
It probably would cost equal to build a MAME cabinet and I did think about it a few times while back. I just don't know if I'm ready to put in hundreds of hours and dollars for something that I could rather just buy instead of building, then again, it would be better if I built it instead because then I have put in all the effort and my own imaginative customizations to it. Then I would truly have more a right to call it my own if I built it.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 14, 2007, 02:50:06 AM
They have some of those that run in the $200 - $400 range. They're not very good, they're just game-on-chip units wired up to a subpar arcade cabinet.
It's like, if you WANT a multi-arcade cabinet, go build a MAME cab or liberate a Nintendo Playchoice from some abandoned bowling alley.
It probably would cost equal to build a MAME cabinet and I did think about it a few times while back. I just don't know if I'm ready to put in hundreds of hours and dollars for something that I could rather just buy instead of building, then again, it would be better if I built it instead because then I have put in all the effort and my own imaginative customizations to it. Then I would truly have more a right to call it my own if I built it.
Plus if you build it, you'll have good emulation, not shit emulation.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Keranu on June 14, 2007, 08:46:39 AM
You know, the PC-FX could've been the ultimate 2D console (at least game wise) with the right developers and encouragement since it was pure 2D, but just failed flat. Hopefully independent development can fix that.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 14, 2007, 12:11:17 PM
Sometimes you can run across a local arcade vendor that will gladly help you convert a cab into a mame cab,so long as you supply the computer and parts and buy a cab. You will have to pay them,but it usually wont be more then 200-300 bucks depending on how much work it will require,if the monitor needs a new cap kit,ect ect.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 14, 2007, 12:44:31 PM
You know, the PC-FX could've been the ultimate 2D console (at least game wise) with the right developers and encouragement since it was pure 2D, but just failed flat. Hopefully independent development can fix that.
I agree 100% with this.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: GUTS on June 14, 2007, 03:05:42 PM
I don't know about the PCFX, even the most impressive 2D games on it aren't as impressive as Saturn and PSX 2D games. The Saturn was a beast, although the PCFX definitely had the advantage in full screen video playback.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 14, 2007, 03:16:13 PM
I don't know about the PCFX, even the most impressive 2D games on it aren't as impressive as Saturn and PSX 2D games. The Saturn was a beast, although the PCFX definitely had the advantage in full screen video playback.
Well that depends. Do you mean the stock Saturn, or a Saturn with an MPEG card?
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Keranu on June 14, 2007, 03:56:50 PM
I don't know about the PCFX, even the most impressive 2D games on it aren't as impressive as Saturn and PSX 2D games. The Saturn was a beast, although the PCFX definitely had the advantage in full screen video playback.
I don't quite mean graphic wise, but gameplay wise since it was a 2D only console during the beginning of an age of 3D consoles. It could've benefitted from improved previous 2D games as well as innovating new kinds of 2D games. Graphically however I think the system could've been pushed waaay more as well with all that power in it to look just as good as 2D Saturn and PS1 games, but for what we got, it doesn't look a whole lot better than PCE's nicer games.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 14, 2007, 04:06:23 PM
I don't know about the PCFX, even the most impressive 2D games on it aren't as impressive as Saturn and PSX 2D games. The Saturn was a beast, although the PCFX definitely had the advantage in full screen video playback.
I don't quite mean graphic wise, but gameplay wise since it was a 2D only console during the beginning of an age of 3D consoles. It could've benefitted from improved previous 2D games as well as innovating new kinds of 2D games. Graphically however I think the system could've been pushed waaay more as well with all that power in it to look just as good as 2D Saturn and PS1 games, but for what we got, it doesn't look a whole lot better than PCE's nicer games.
They were both conceived as 2D only consoles. However, while one saw the writing on the wall and added hardware 3D capability, the other chose to tough it out and died a miserable death.
Have no pity, it's simply survival of the fittest.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 14, 2007, 04:42:47 PM
I don't know about the PCFX, even the most impressive 2D games on it aren't as impressive as Saturn and PSX 2D games. The Saturn was a beast, although the PCFX definitely had the advantage in full screen video playback.
I don't quite mean graphic wise, but gameplay wise since it was a 2D only console during the beginning of an age of 3D consoles. It could've benefitted from improved previous 2D games as well as innovating new kinds of 2D games. Graphically however I think the system could've been pushed waaay more as well with all that power in it to look just as good as 2D Saturn and PS1 games, but for what we got, it doesn't look a whole lot better than PCE's nicer games.
Have you played Zenki? Zenki kind of hinted at what the PCFX might be capable of graphics-wise in a 2D platformer environment. There are some shots in that game you'd swear were polygons (most likely pre-rendered stuff, but still nice) mixed with really nice "pixel art". I think had programmers pushed the system like they did the Turbo/PCE, we could've seen many things on par with what the PS1 and Saturn offered just as you suggest. Zenki and MegaMan X4, for example, are quite similar graphically.
Trouble is, the system died an early death and most of the programmers focused on exploiting the FMV qualities of the console in making digital comics instead of 2D platformers or shooters.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: termis on June 14, 2007, 04:55:42 PM
I don't know about the PCFX, even the most impressive 2D games on it aren't as impressive as Saturn and PSX 2D games. The Saturn was a beast, although the PCFX definitely had the advantage in full screen video playback.
Well that depends. Do you mean the stock Saturn, or a Saturn with an MPEG card?
Well, I thought Saturn FMV using TrueMotion (Fighters Megamix, Virtual On, Last Bronx) didn't look half bad. Too bad this wasn't used for most of their games.
Cinepak, on the other hand, was really quite horrible -- though there were a couple exceptions (Enemy Zero and Eve Series games). I recall being pretty damn amazed by Playstation FMV after after having only played the Saturn for so long.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Keranu on June 14, 2007, 08:06:30 PM
Have you played Zenki? Zenki kind of hinted at what the PCFX might be capable of graphics-wise in a 2D platformer environment. There are some shots in that game you'd swear were polygons (most likely pre-rendered stuff, but still nice) mixed with really nice "pixel art". I think had programmers pushed the system like they did the Turbo/PCE, we could've seen many things on par with what the PS1 and Saturn offered just as you suggest. Zenki and MegaMan X4, for example, are quite similar graphically.
I've played Zenki and while it does indeed look very nice, I still stand by my statement. As Black_Tiger has posted before, Zenki looks a lot like a PCE game, except with some special effects like transparencies, FMV, etc... The colors and design themself though look really PCE-ish, not that it's a bad thing or anything, but Zenki probably had artists who have worked on PCE games. I think Zenki is just a small portion of what the PC-FX was capable of and I really hope to see further development for it so we can see some jaw dropping stuff.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: GUTS on June 15, 2007, 08:45:51 AM
I've never played a Saturn with the MPEG card, but it seems like cheating to count that since it was an add-on. The regular cinepak and trumotion were pretty lame compared to the PCFX and Playstation's video (I think even the 3D0 could do better full screen playback), that has always been my only complaint about the Saturn. Play something like Solo Crisis on Saturn and be amazed at how bad FMV can look, which is totally weird because by the end of the Sega CD's life they were doing full-screen FMV that was only hampered by the Genesis's color palette, it seems like that tech would have carried over to the Saturn.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: FM-77 on June 15, 2007, 10:11:49 AM
I've never been a fan of in-game videos, at least not in older games (like PS1, etc), as the videos tend to look nothing like the actual game. I prefer the old-fashioned way: just the regular character sprites moving around automatically, talking, etc. or even PCE-esque picture-based "videos".
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 15, 2007, 11:42:47 AM
I don't understand why we're comparing FMV. Do you guys actually like that shit? Do you need medical attention?
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Keranu on June 15, 2007, 12:01:34 PM
FMV is cool, but not important.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: termis on June 15, 2007, 12:46:43 PM
^Agreed, by no means the most important thing, but better to have than not to have.
Or worse, to not have and keep on trying exploit it (aka Sega CD).
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: FM-77 on June 15, 2007, 12:48:11 PM
So you're saying EVERY game should feature FMVs? :o
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: termis on June 15, 2007, 12:50:11 PM
Yup, that's what I mean - EVERY SINGLE one. If the game doesn't have FMV, it sucks balls [-(.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Black Tiger on June 15, 2007, 12:52:13 PM
Have you played Zenki? Zenki kind of hinted at what the PCFX might be capable of graphics-wise in a 2D platformer environment. There are some shots in that game you'd swear were polygons (most likely pre-rendered stuff, but still nice) mixed with really nice "pixel art". I think had programmers pushed the system like they did the Turbo/PCE, we could've seen many things on par with what the PS1 and Saturn offered just as you suggest. Zenki and MegaMan X4, for example, are quite similar graphically.
Trouble is, the system died an early death and most of the programmers focused on exploiting the FMV qualities of the console in making digital comics instead of 2D platformers or shooters.
Most of the graphics in Zenki FX look like PC Engine graphics. Like they were even using the PCE's pallete(kinda like the PCE'ish graphics in Kakutoden).
I think that a very similar looking port could've been made for PCE or that the PC-FX game may very well be a scrapped PCE game ported to PC-FX.
Of course, if you judge graphics not by the actual, you know, graphics, instead by layers like many people do, then Zenki FX is more of a Genesis game. :wink:
Well, I thought Saturn FMV using TrueMotion (Fighters Megamix, Virtual On, Last Bronx) didn't look half bad. Too bad this wasn't used for most of their games.
Cinepak, on the other hand, was really quite horrible -- though there were a couple exceptions (Enemy Zero and Eve Series games). I recall being pretty damn amazed by Playstation FMV after after having only played the Saturn for so long.
It really depends on the developer. Tengai Makyo IV uses Cinepak and its some of the very best quality fmv on PSX or Saturn(and its full screen).
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Keranu on June 15, 2007, 01:14:30 PM
It would be a lot of fun to see any PC-FX game ported to PCE, though FMV-based ones like Battle Heat would be tricky.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 15, 2007, 04:23:50 PM
FMV, if done right (and not every 4 seconds), can be enjoyable as a means of conveying a story.
It is not, however, an enjoyable means of conveying gameplay.
I also believe that Battle Heat could very well be ported to PCE. My proof lies in the Gameboy Color version of Dragon's Lair. This is not the sucky platform game, this is the actual arcade game, each frame converted to sprites, and it is playable on the GBC. Find the ROM, it's very interesting.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: termis on June 16, 2007, 07:17:17 AM
It would be a lot of fun to see any PC-FX game ported to PCE, though FMV-based ones like Battle Heat would be tricky.
No idea what Battle Heat on the FX is, but if it needs FMV, the PC Engine has the amazing HuVideo which looks way better than the new generation of High Definition DVD formats! :^o
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 16, 2007, 07:19:38 AM
Battle Heat seems like a good idea on paper, but I find it's nearly impossible to play.
But there's also a small possibility that I'm simply retarded and can't figure out when to execute moves.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Keranu on June 16, 2007, 11:46:05 AM
Battle Heat is possible to play. I never got good at it, but once I figured some things out, it was pretty neat.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 16, 2007, 12:16:33 PM
So how do you do it? Please share your wisdom with me. I try to execute moves according to the manual but my character literally just sits there while the CPU delivers wallop after wallop. I get the feeling I'm not exectuing them at the right time or something. Do I have to wait for the FMV of my opponent to stop? That's generally what I do but I get the idea that's not a good strategy.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Keranu on June 16, 2007, 12:18:38 PM
I haven't played it in a long time, so I'd have to load it up again to see. Aaron Nanto has a movelist guide on his PC-FX site somewhere.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 16, 2007, 08:49:28 PM
They have some of those that run in the $200 - $400 range. They're not very good, they're just game-on-chip units wired up to a subpar arcade cabinet.
It's like, if you WANT a multi-arcade cabinet, go build a MAME cab or liberate a Nintendo Playchoice from some abandoned bowling alley.
It probably would cost equal to build a MAME cabinet and I did think about it a few times while back. I just don't know if I'm ready to put in hundreds of hours and dollars for something that I could rather just buy instead of building, then again, it would be better if I built it instead because then I have put in all the effort and my own imaginative customizations to it. Then I would truly have more a right to call it my own if I built it.
Plus if you build it, you'll have good emulation, not shit emulation.
New problem, I don't want to build an arcade game with a computer emulating it. Is it possible I could just build a arcade game machine using 100% authentic arcade parts? I've tried googling everywhere and only came across sites that tell you how to build arcade cabinets using shit like MAME.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Turbo D on June 16, 2007, 09:04:29 PM
Its very possible. Just get an old arcade, convert the monitor connector to plug in to your computer. Then get x arcade joystick or keyboard button mapper to connect to the joystick and bottons. Then your all set. I've been working on an arcade project myself, but it is far from complete.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 16, 2007, 09:13:36 PM
I mean I don't want to use a computer to emulate the arcade. I want to build a cabinet with the screen, the joystick and buttons, the sound system and speakers, the power supply, the game program on big electronic board, and I don't know what else I may need because the only sites I can find only tell me how to do it the computer emulation way.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 17, 2007, 05:21:01 AM
Oh, it's possible,but it'd be a bit difficult and expensive.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 17, 2007, 06:21:21 AM
You will need a guide of some type for getting the wood cust. cut and you will have to put it all together. In cases like this I suggest building a bottom half and a top half. It would be easier to move then.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 17, 2007, 06:25:07 AM
Wood? I thought most arcade cabs were made out of particle board. Only the best, y'know?
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: FM-77 on June 17, 2007, 07:24:19 AM
Hey! Why do you guys turn every single thread into arcade threads? :(
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 17, 2007, 08:42:43 AM
I mean I don't want to use a computer to emulate the arcade. I want to build a cabinet with the screen, the joystick and buttons, the sound system and speakers, the power supply, the game program on big electronic board, and I don't know what else I may need because the only sites I can find only tell me how to do it the computer emulation way.
The reason why you only find DIYs for MAME cabinets is because if you wanted an arcade machine you can just buy one. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems really really obvious to me.
Actual arcade machines are usually much simpler than MAME machines since virtually everything is build onto the PCBs. An arcade machine is just a power supply, some joysticks, and a monitor fitted into a moldy, rotted-out, rat's nest with a few deadly spiders thrown in. If you live in the US you can find arcade machines for sale cheap in almost every city.
If you want something a little more permanent, you should buy one of the fiberglass models from Japan like a NeoCady, or Sega Astro/Blast City, or whatever. They usually have much bigger monitors that you can rotate if you feel like going from fighters to shooters. My friend bought his Astro City on eBay for about $300. It was in California, and cost another $300 to ship it to Michigan via yellow freight. The cheaper route would be to buy an unwanted MVS, or Street Fighter machine or something, but chances are you'll end up replacing everything in it at a greater cost further down the road. The most expensive part is the monitor.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Turbo D on June 17, 2007, 02:31:37 PM
If you want to have a splatter house arcade, I would suggest buying a cheap jamma cabinet and finding the jamma board of splatter house and plugging it in. All jamma cabs and jamma boards should be compatible. I am assuming that a jamma board of splatter house exists tho. Sorry if any of this information is incorrect.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 17, 2007, 05:01:57 PM
I heard D-Lite builds custom arcade cabinets...
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 17, 2007, 05:16:01 PM
If you want to have a splatter house arcade, I would suggest buying a cheap jamma cabinet and finding the jamma board of splatter house and plugging it in. All jamma cabs and jamma boards should be compatible. I am assuming that a jamma board of splatter house exists tho. Sorry if any of this information is incorrect.
Maybe not necessarily a Splatterhouse game, although I have thought on it off and on. I also like Joust, Haunted Castle, Ghosts'n Goblins, Ghouls'n Ghosts, Gauntlet, Smash T.V.. However though, Splatterhouse would be an excellent first arcade game to get.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nodtveidt on June 17, 2007, 05:27:18 PM
I mean I don't want to use a computer to emulate the arcade. I want to build a cabinet with the screen, the joystick and buttons, the sound system and speakers, the power supply, the game program on big electronic board, and I don't know what else I may need because the only sites I can find only tell me how to do it the computer emulation way.
In order to develop your own arcade motherboard from scratch, you need knowledge in applied electronics, specifically in the area of microcomputers. If you can't do something even as simple as a 6502-6567 unit, you're in the wrong business. :)
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 17, 2007, 06:19:10 PM
Don't hold your breath on nabbing a Splatterhouse PCB. They rarely pop up on ebay,when they do they fetch over 100 bucks.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 17, 2007, 06:29:31 PM
If I see one come up, I'll pay as long as it's less than $300. And I don't think arcade game PCBs are that expensive but since Splatterhouse is a rare game, it's hard telling.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: TR0N on June 17, 2007, 06:48:20 PM
If I see one come up, I'll pay as long as it's less than $300. And I don't think arcade game PCBs are that expensive but since Splatterhouse is a rare game, it's hard telling.
Sure is still try picking up, Splatter House for the FM Town Marty that also go's for a high price :shock:
Heck if i just had a supergun i go with the pcb of that instead.
Realy namco needs stop being so stubborn... and put the arcade version of splatter house in a collection.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 17, 2007, 08:56:12 PM
True, Namco needs to understand they done beat the Mortal Kombat competition with Tekken and get over it already. And quite being wimps on how the game might raise the ratings on a Namco Museum collections compilation because Midway put Mortal Kombat 2 and 3, and also Smash T.V. and Total carnage, and Narc on their Arcade Treasures collections. Every damn Namco Museum games they come out with always have the same games on them:Pac-man, Ms. Pac-man, Galaga, Galaxian, Pole Position, Dig-Dug. How about a change for once.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 18, 2007, 04:12:17 AM
Yeah, no kidding.
I have the Namco Museum on my Nintendo 64. Pole Position f*cking rules.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 18, 2007, 04:31:22 AM
I have the PS1 Namco Museum and indeed, Pole Position kicks ass.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Paisa49 on June 18, 2007, 05:56:58 AM
The Sega Saturn, hands down.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: TR0N on June 18, 2007, 02:38:00 PM
Why OH WHY did that stupid song rise from the grave... ¬_¬
Becuse namco are pussy ? :wink:
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 19, 2007, 01:01:15 PM
The greatest 2D console ever built is obviously the NEO-GEO MVS. It has the best 2D games ever made. I love everything on it. Everything I say is always the truth because I am Dark Joe Redifer.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: TR0N on June 19, 2007, 06:35:02 PM
The greatest 2D console ever built is obviously the NEO-GEO MVS. It has the best 2D games ever made. I love everything on it. Everything I say is always the truth because I am Dark Joe Redifer.
Agreed end of line.
Beside the NeoGeo push it with it's giga power now what does the, Genesis and SNES have eh!? eh!?
Nada zip zero zlich :roll:
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 19, 2007, 10:10:17 PM
Genesis has Blast Processing™. No console would or could even dare compete with that.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: TR0N on June 19, 2007, 11:02:03 PM
Genesis has Blast Processing™. No console would or could even dare compete with that.
So that's what the 32x was for to help it's blast processing #-o
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 20, 2007, 05:55:33 AM
What is it with all these f*cking retarded DARK POSTERS? It was funny when it was just Keranu, now it's like Digimon gone wrong.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 20, 2007, 05:57:43 AM
I heard the evil reign of the dark lord Dark Keranu is over. He was defeated by an insurmountable pile of cheese.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 20, 2007, 08:03:26 AM
Yes,even I saw that the end was near,and not even Dark Jesus could stop it. Because of this,I went into my hyperchamber,added some play-doh,chemical Stupid-X,a few DNA samples taken from Joes last hair cut at Wal-Mart,for I have many spies there,and I made a mindless clone of Joe Redifer. Problem is he oddly looks like a long lost Baldwin brother... Mind this I do not,I then placed my evil soul into this mindless clone,and thus became DARK JOE REDIFER ! ! !
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 20, 2007, 08:07:14 AM
Genesis has Blast Processing™. No console would or could even dare compete with that.
The Neo-Geo has it also,they just never talked about it because it was such a weak feature compared to Mega and Giga Power. All M68000 cpus have Blast processing. Even the first Amiga could do Sonic if they wanted it to.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: GUTS on June 20, 2007, 08:16:34 AM
It's classic message board behavior, one person does something haflway funny or clever and then everybody else has to jump on the bandwagon with their version. Everybody thinks they're a f*cking comedian.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 20, 2007, 08:30:47 AM
Well, clearly I'm a genius since I started it.
In actuality, the things I say and do on here (just as the things I say and do in "real life") are more for my own benefit than anyone else's. In layman's terms, I f*cking crack myself up, dude. If someone else finds them funny too, hey, more fun for everyone! If not, well, I'm still laughing anyway.
But you know, they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 20, 2007, 08:48:53 AM
Actually,Im not quite sure what you all are talking about,but I did suggest everyone start naming themselves Keranu for a day. After that Dark Keranu appeared,ect. But alas,this joke is old as shit,not even funny to me anymore either. I don't want to be a Baldwin for that matter. The only fond memory I will have of it is my Dark Jesus pokemon...
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 20, 2007, 08:50:57 AM
You're right, Joe Redifer does look like a Baldwin. And there are so f*cking many of them, who's to say he isn't?
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 20, 2007, 09:38:06 AM
In actuality, the things I say and do on here (just as the things I say and do in "real life") are more for my own benefit than anyone else's. In layman's terms, I f*cking crack myself up, dude. If someone else finds them funny too, hey, more fun for everyone! If not, well, I'm still laughing anyway.
But you know, they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
That is the most amazing thing anyone has ever said. SAVED. You are like the Oracle from the Matrix, you've said what I needed to hear. ^_^
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 20, 2007, 11:55:37 AM
Only the Genesis had Blast Processing™. If any other console had it, they surely would have advertised it since it is so awesome. Blast Processing™ can cure Genital Herpes®... 60 times a second! Other consoles don't need to cure Genital Herpes® because their owners never have sex!
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 20, 2007, 12:15:41 PM
Only the Genesis had Blast Processing™. If any other console had it, they surely would have advertised it since it is so awesome. Blast Processing™ can cure Genital Herpes®... 60 times a second! Other consoles don't need to cure Genital Herpes® because their owners never have sex!
Coming from a Baldwin,I'm not so sure we can take your word for it. We all know the members of the Baldwin family break their word,get into trouble with the law,and call their children abusive things over the phone.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Joe Redifer on June 20, 2007, 01:01:25 PM
Not me. I hate children! I have vowed never to have any. Not only is the world already overpopulated beyond all reasonable extremes, but kids are just damn annoying! No way I will give up my life/freedom/sanity just to raise some little booger-muncher! The world needs more people who refuse to procreate!
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 20, 2007, 01:22:21 PM
Not me. I hate children! I have vowed never to have any. Not only is the world already overpopulated beyond all reasonable extremes, but kids are just damn annoying! No way I will give up my life/freedom/sanity just to raise some little booger-muncher! The world needs more people who refuse to procreate!
That would be me. Not only do I hate kids, but I'm afraid of commitment, so no children (or girlfriend) for me.
SINGLE IS AWESOME!
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 20, 2007, 04:39:12 PM
I'm currently single and enjoying it, but I can't be single forever though. Someday I'll take the job and the challenge, just not now.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Turbo D on June 20, 2007, 04:44:57 PM
I'm single aswell, life is easier this way
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 20, 2007, 05:16:10 PM
Recently, a couple of people from these forums (who shall not be named) tried to make me change my ways over IRC (they found me a GF). Said people could NOT get it though their head that I didn't want to like this girl, and could not understand why their self-proclaimed "matchmaking skills" weren't working.
A couple of "f*ck you"'s were exchanged, and three people ended up on my ignore list, yet they STILL persisted, trying to talk through me via the topic bar. Poor fools didn't realize that Chatzilla can turn off topics. So I hope that got through to those idiots.
As for the girl, she still wanted to be friends. We were talking over IRC, and she said she had to leave, and asked if I would be around later. I said "Yes". I never went back into that chatroom. :)
Some of you may say thats a dastardly bastardly thing to do.
But know this.
I will DIE FIGHTING before I EVER get into a relationship.
Singledom. It is my Sparta.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Michael Helgeson on June 20, 2007, 05:33:16 PM
Recently, a couple of people from these forums (who shall not be named) tried to make me change my ways over IRC (they found me a GF). Said people could NOT get it though their head that I didn't want to like this girl, and could not understand why their self-proclaimed "matchmaking skills" weren't working.
A couple of "f*ck you"'s were exchanged, and three people ended up on my ignore list, yet they STILL persisted, trying to talk through me via the topic bar. Poor fools didn't realize that Chatzilla can turn off topics. So I hope that got through to those idiots.
As for the girl, she still wanted to be friends. We were talking over IRC, and she said she had to leave, and asked if I would be around later. I said "Yes". I never went back into that chatroom. :)
Some of you may say thats a dastardly bastardly thing to do.
But know this.
I will DIE FIGHTING before I EVER get into a relationship.
Singledom. It is my Sparta.
What in the hell was all of that about. Who the f*ck in here was trying to set you up. Are we a secret dating service here now? Jeez
And yes,speaking from experience,marrage,or even long term relationships can suck the life out of you. There are things you will miss out on after you are single again,like the company,because you get so used to someone being around,even if its someone you hate. But after abit you get used to it,and you realize you get to buy whatever you want and do as you please again,and its like slipping back into comfy house slippers again. I don't know when I will ever bother to date again. currently all I have time for is myself,my kids and our cat. I really don't want to expand my family beyond that right now. More women = more problems and less money.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Turbo D on June 20, 2007, 05:35:56 PM
As for the girl, she still wanted to be friends. We were talking over IRC, and she said she had to leave, and asked if I would be around later. I said "Yes". I never went back into that chatroom. :)
It was probably a guy.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 21, 2007, 05:08:38 AM
no, the first rule of fight club is not to watch it. =;
The first rule of hating Fight Club is DIAF.
Actually, I've never seen it. ¬_¬
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: GUTS on June 21, 2007, 08:07:46 AM
What the f*ck? You've never seen Fight Club?? Jesus man! I hope no one has ruined the ending for you, much of your enjoyment of the movie hinges on being completely blown away by the ending. It's like watching The Crying Game when you know the girl is a dude, it's just not nearly as sweet of a movie when you're not kicked in the teeth by the revelation.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 21, 2007, 08:13:16 AM
What the f*ck? You've never seen Fight Club?? Jesus man! I hope no one has ruined the ending for you, much of your enjoyment of the movie hinges on being completely blown away by the ending. It's like watching The Crying Game when you know the girl is a dude, it's just not nearly as sweet of a movie when you're not kicked in the teeth by the revelation.
Actually yeah, I've asked a friend about the ending, it's something about making bombs out of soap and then blowing up credit card companies or shit like that.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: terrormask on June 21, 2007, 08:22:51 AM
Why are you all talking about Fight Club, Clockwork Orange is a better movie and more worth talking about. Besides, that's not the topic of this thread.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 21, 2007, 08:26:01 AM
Same here and I say it to the little f*cker everyday. Just eight more years and the bastard's out the door. :dance:
As for the matchmaking f*cktards - thanks for keeping it out of the forums, I guess. We must have had some girls join the forum, 'cause no self-respecting man would attempt to push another man into a relationship.
It was Keranu, Black Tiger, Helgeson and myself. We set him up with this girl (http://www.time-is-fun.com/Nintendo-Girl-400.jpg).
Damn,I thought it was this girl.... (http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/nenh10205131839.jpg) I'm sure everyone knows by now who she is....half the members here had her as a girlfriend at one time or another.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 21, 2007, 12:40:56 PM
ROFL U CRAZAY.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 21, 2007, 02:41:46 PM
It was Keranu, Black Tiger, Helgeson and myself. We set him up with this girl (http://www.time-is-fun.com/Nintendo-Girl-400.jpg).
Steer clear of that chick. She has SNERDatitis, which is related to hepatitis and causes severe brain damage. Ah, screw it. It's worth it and you only live once.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 21, 2007, 05:36:35 PM
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Necromancer on June 21, 2007, 05:56:05 PM
After a quick perusal of the member list (yes, I am an idiot), my guess is asshat or tychom. At least they're the only two that I saw that fit your pattern.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Kitsunexus on June 21, 2007, 06:20:01 PM
Nope, let's add more letters! ^:^
_ _ _ H A S
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: nat on June 21, 2007, 06:37:53 PM
After a quick perusal of the member list (yes, I am an idiot), my guess is asshat or tychom. At least they're the only two that I saw that fit your pattern.
If I see one come up, I'll pay as long as it's less than $300. And I don't think arcade game PCBs are that expensive but since Splatterhouse is a rare game, it's hard telling.
If I see one come up, I'll pay as long as it's less than $300. And I don't think arcade game PCBs are that expensive but since Splatterhouse is a rare game, it's hard telling.
Still when it's on ebay uk you don't have to worry about bid wars much.
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: guyjin on July 09, 2007, 04:28:58 PM
...the splatterhouse arcade PCB looks suprisingly unimpressive. I was expecting... i dunno, a red circuit board or SOMETHING...
Title: Re: Ultimate 2D console
Post by: Turbo D on July 09, 2007, 07:23:55 PM
it just looks like any other pcb, haha. I would buy it if I had a super gun or jamma cab, but I don't. That one dude was looking for this for his project. I am currently trying to build a computer powered mame cab and am almost finished. Just got to make a joystick and hook up to comp :D