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Title: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: runinruder on August 10, 2007, 12:30:55 PM
My buddy GUTS recently purchased the PCE RPG Sol Moonarge. He'd been looking forward to this game for a while, and boasted about how he'd put his skills to good use and type up a walkthrough for the rest of us.
Unfortunately, his plans went awry when he got stuck.
Stuck... after just one dungeon.
Following such a humiliating experience, GUTS was thinking about giving up RPGs entirely. I told him not to throw in the towel just yet, that there's probably some little-kid game out there that he might stand a chance of getting through.
What do you guys recommend? I thought of the English version of Neutopia, but he already owns that one, and has already gotten stuck and given up on it.
Maybe that home-brew thing, Magical Song or whatever? Whenever someone posts screens of it on this forum, there's always some little girl standing next to the monitor. GUTS is probably at her level when it comes to RPGs, so maybe this would be a good game for him.
What do you guys think? And let's limit this to PCE games, none of that Final Fantasy Mystic Quest crap. GUTS might stink at RPGs, but he isn't enough of a doofus to want to play an SNES game.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Black Tiger on August 10, 2007, 01:53:33 PM
Well, if Neutopia is RPG'ish enough, then how about Xanadu II?
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Post by: esteban on August 10, 2007, 02:58:04 PM
Well, GUTS has already experienced Basted in all of its glory, so I really don't know what to suggest...
:)
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: runinruder on August 10, 2007, 03:29:54 PM
Well, GUTS has already experienced Basted in all of its glory,
Yeah, he got stuck in the first town in that one. Of course, since about 90% of the game takes place in that first (and only) town, I guess we could say he got pretty far. :)
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: m1savage on August 10, 2007, 04:27:18 PM
Seiryuu Densetsu Monbit?
I'll take that Sol Moonarge off his hands if he's done with it. Here's a bit of help
http://pce.sytes.net/sorumona.html
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: runinruder on August 10, 2007, 04:30:55 PM
I'll take that Sol Moonarge off his hands if he's done with it. Here's a bit of help
http://pce.sytes.net/sorumona.html
He was using that walkthrough and said it wasn't helping. "It must be a glitch."
Is Monbit any good? I've yet to try that one.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: m1savage on August 10, 2007, 04:52:37 PM
I haven't played much of it so I really couldn't say. I'm in the middle of enough games at the moment so it's gonna have to continue waiting on me. :)
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on August 10, 2007, 06:36:11 PM
From what little I've played of it, Monbit seems decent.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Joe Redifer on August 10, 2007, 07:20:01 PM
How about that Bonk RPG that was never finished? That way when he gets stuck 3 minutes past the title screen, he can blame the game code instead of his 1337 RPG skilz.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on August 10, 2007, 07:45:46 PM
I found Starling Odyssey II to be fun, and relatively easy to get through. I did need help though. When the guy I bought it from couldn't help me anymore, I actually called Rayforce, and talked to the one guys there who spoke English. He explained that I needed the Orichalcum, which would make my airship teleport from tower to tower.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: turbofan1 on August 11, 2007, 01:42:45 AM
Maybe your friend Guts would want to play this game-(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/760/titlenh4.th.jpg) (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=titlenh4.jpg)
Its not A rpg,But its A kids game. :lol:
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: esteban on August 11, 2007, 04:47:27 AM
Maybe your friend Guts would want to play this game-(http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/760/titlenh4.th.jpg) (http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=titlenh4.jpg)
Its not A rpg,But its A kids game. :lol:
This game is actually tough! I have had a tough time with it, no joke! Builder Land is also tough as balls.
GUTS would smash these discs to pieces due to the extreme frustration they cause :).
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Anyway, have GUTS play Necromancer. Tell him that his goal is simply to see a handful of the enemies die a bloody, gory death. This seems like an appropriate goal to set for him, considering his skillz levelz.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: runinruder on August 11, 2007, 06:04:04 AM
How about that Bonk RPG that was never finished? That way when he gets stuck 3 minutes past the title screen, he can blame the game code instead of his 1337 RPG skilz.
Even if he had access to it, he wouldn't play it. He quit everything Bonk when he failed to get through any of the platformers.
I found Starling Odyssey II to be fun, and relatively easy to get through. I did need help though. When the guy I bought it from couldn't help me anymore, I actually called Rayforce, and talked to the one guys there who spoke English. He explained that I needed the Orichalcum, which would make my airship teleport from tower to tower.
That's a really good game. I completed it myself not too long ago. When I recommended it to GUTS, he mentioned that he'd already tried it and, predictably, failed to beat it.
Anyway, have GUTS play Necromancer. Tell him that his goal is simply to see a handful of the enemies die a bloody, gory death. This seems like an appropriate goal to set for him, considering his skillz levelz.
I think he bought that game just recently, actually, and gave up on it quickly.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: GUTS on August 11, 2007, 08:20:08 AM
Yeah Necromancer was awful, I only fought a couple battles.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Necromancer on August 11, 2007, 07:22:05 PM
Ta-Da! You speak my name, and I appear. :lol:
Well, perhaps it's just coincidence. I suggest that GUTS revisits Neutopia, as it's as easy as they come for an action rpg - if you can't handle this one, then maybe rpgs aren't your bag. Another pseudo-rpg that you can try is Beyond Shadowgate. The puzzles are fairly easy and you'll die a thousand deaths, but that's just part of the fun.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Turbo D on August 12, 2007, 01:52:48 AM
I can recommend to our friend guts to play Ys book 1. Its fairly easy, well, to me at least. All you have to do to kill bad guys is walk into them, haha. It is seriously one of the greatest rpg concepts out there. Well, I guess its more of an action rpg, but he will really enjoy it. If he gets stuck I can walk him through it.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: SignOfZeta on August 12, 2007, 02:12:25 AM
I can easily see a person getting stuck in an Y's game. There are no plot problems I can see hanging someone up, but the dungeons seem to go on forever. I've cleared Y's 1&2 half a dozen times probably, and I still get frustrated sometimes. Darm Tower, mainly, but also that big pyramid area as well.
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Post by: Black Tiger on August 12, 2007, 11:08:41 AM
Ys II has some terrible design, progression wise. Its like playing a digital comic, where you just continue to try everything everywhere until you make it somewhere new and aren't completely sure exactly how to repeat it.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: GUTS on August 12, 2007, 03:52:51 PM
The first Ys game was perfect, I have no complaints. In fact Darm Tower is still one of the best dungeons I've ever played in an action RPG. But Ys II, f*ck man a couple of the later dungeons were just so huge and boring, they went on for way too long. I've played through the first Ys a billion times, but part II I've only finished a couple of times due to getting bored on those later dungeons.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: nat on August 12, 2007, 03:56:10 PM
The "mine" in Ys I annoys me. It reminds me of the part in the old Colossal Cave text adventure where you get stuck in a "maze of twisty little passages, all alike".
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Emerald Rocker on August 12, 2007, 04:04:04 PM
The complex later dungeons of Ys II are what make the game so much better than the original.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: GUTS on August 12, 2007, 04:12:53 PM
They're not complex, they're cluster-f*cks.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: esteban on August 12, 2007, 05:14:09 PM
You guys are crazy if you think the mazes in Ys II are tough / annoying / boring. I'm with Emerald Rocker on this one.
And I think that Darm Tower is pretty damn lame, to be honest. I thought that back in the day, and I still feel that way. It is very repetitive and tedious... and it is a significant chunk of Ys I!!! At least with Ys II, you felt that there were a bunch of big places to explore.
Don't get me wrong: I love Ys I (I've played SMS and TG-CD versions a zillion times)! But if you're going to fault Ys II without faulting Darm Larm Pooparm Tower, well, I think you're wonky.
Yeah, I'm exaggerating slightly to make my point (and for drama), but you get the idea :)
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Post by: Turbo D on August 12, 2007, 05:24:14 PM
I really enjoyed book 1 and the little bit of book 2 I played before my duo craped out.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Black Tiger on August 13, 2007, 12:28:51 AM
You guys are crazy if you think the mazes in Ys II are tough / annoying / boring. I'm with Emerald Rocker on this one.
And I think that Darm Tower is pretty damn lame, to be honest. I thought that back in the day, and I still feel that way. It is very repetitive and tedious... and it is a significant chunk of Ys I!!! At least with Ys II, you felt that there were a bunch of big places to explore.
Don't get me wrong: I love Ys I (I've played SMS and TG-CD versions a zillion times)! But if you're going to fault Ys II without faulting Darm Larm Pooparm Tower, well, I think you're wonky.
Yeah, I'm exaggerating slightly to make my point (and for drama), but you get the idea :)
Both Ys II and Darm Tower have too much unclear backtracking.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: esteban on August 13, 2007, 02:17:25 AM
You guys are crazy if you think the mazes in Ys II are tough / annoying / boring. I'm with Emerald Rocker on this one.
And I think that Darm Tower is pretty damn lame, to be honest. I thought that back in the day, and I still feel that way. It is very repetitive and tedious... and it is a significant chunk of Ys I!!! At least with Ys II, you felt that there were a bunch of big places to explore.
Don't get me wrong: I love Ys I (I've played SMS and TG-CD versions a zillion times)! But if you're going to fault Ys II without faulting Darm Larm Pooparm Tower, well, I think you're wonky.
Yeah, I'm exaggerating slightly to make my point (and for drama), but you get the idea :)
Both Ys II and Darm Tower have too much unclear backtracking.
:)
I actually don't mind the backtracking. I just wanted to make a point about Ys II relative to Ys I. :)
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: GUTS on August 13, 2007, 05:08:30 PM
Darm tower actually has some interesting and devious puzzles (breaking the pillar comes to mind, took me years as a kid to figure that one out), the huge dungeons in Ys II do not. I can't remember a single puzzle in Ys II, yet I can remember nearly every puzzle in Ys. If Ys II had even one memorable puzzle I might have played through it more often, but the dungeons and puzzles are all entirely forgettable, the only thing that stands out is the story and cinematics. Huge mazes are not fun.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: runinruder on August 14, 2007, 03:02:34 AM
Darm tower actually has some interesting and devious puzzles (breaking the pillar comes to mind, took me years as a kid to figure that one out), the huge dungeons in Ys II do not. I can't remember a single puzzle in Ys II, yet I can remember nearly every puzzle in Ys. If Ys II had even one memorable puzzle I might have played through it more often, but the dungeons and puzzles are all entirely forgettable, the only thing that stands out is the story and cinematics. Huge mazes are not fun.
I thought Ys II had some sweet puzzles. For instance, when you had to put on those earrings to eavesdrop on the monsters, and then you had to turn into a monster yourself to understand what they were saying.
In fact, the ability to change into a monster and talk to any random enemy you wanted to was f*cking awesome, and a lot of them made some pretty funny comments.
Ys II also had Dalles who actually did cool evil stuff instead of just making speeches like the other bad guys, and the exciting bell tower scene where Adol had to make a mad dash to the top in an effort to save a girl's life.
I agree that the last shrine was too big and got kind of tiresome, though. But at least it had better music than Darm Tower.
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Post by: esteban on August 14, 2007, 03:51:36 AM
Darm tower actually has some interesting and devious puzzles (breaking the pillar comes to mind, took me years as a kid to figure that one out), the huge dungeons in Ys II do not. I can't remember a single puzzle in Ys II, yet I can remember nearly every puzzle in Ys. If Ys II had even one memorable puzzle I might have played through it more often, but the dungeons and puzzles are all entirely forgettable, the only thing that stands out is the story and cinematics. Huge mazes are not fun.
I thought Ys II had some sweet puzzles. For instance, when you had to put on those earrings to eavesdrop on the monsters, and then you had to turn into a monster yourself to understand what they were saying.
In fact, the ability to change into a monster and talk to any random enemy you wanted to was f*cking awesome, and a lot of them made some pretty funny comments.
Ys II also had Dalles who actually did cool evil stuff instead of just making speeches like the other bad guys, and the exciting bell tower scene where Adol had to make a mad dash to the top in an effort to save a girl's life.
I agree that the last shrine was too big and got kind of tiresome, though. But at least it had better music than Darm Tower.
Ahhh, once GUTS clarified his position, I could see where he is coming from. I don't agree that Ys II is totally devoid of enjoyable puzzle-solving, but I do agree that many, many games (in general) fail to be as stimulating as they could be. I don't think Ys II falls short in this respect, but I can appreciate what GUTS is saying. Runin, of course, brings up some great points.
Forgive my faulty grey cells: was it Ys I or Ys II with the sewers that were drained to reveal another level of exploration? I have always loved that! Very, very kool! I'm sure some folks might have felt it was anti-climatic (as opposed to exploring a completely new level), but I loved how the "familiar" had become a brand new maze to navigate / solve ... :)
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Post by: Necromancer on August 14, 2007, 04:51:39 AM
Forgive my faulty grey cells: was it Ys I or Ys II with the sewers that were drained to reveal another level of exploration? I have always loved that! Very, very kool! I'm sure some folks might have felt it was anti-climatic (as opposed to exploring a completely new level), but I loved how the "familiar" had become a brand new maze to navigate / solve ... :)
I'm pretty sure that was Ys II. I remember thinking that the drained sewer was pretty damn cool and unexpected the first time I played it.
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Post by: Turbo D on August 14, 2007, 04:53:57 AM
ya, it is ys 2
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Post by: esteban on August 14, 2007, 09:49:17 AM
Forgive my faulty grey cells: was it Ys I or Ys II with the sewers that were drained to reveal another level of exploration? I have always loved that! Very, very kool! I'm sure some folks might have felt it was anti-climatic (as opposed to exploring a completely new level), but I loved how the "familiar" had become a brand new maze to navigate / solve ... :)
I'm pretty sure that was Ys II. I remember thinking that the drained sewer was pretty damn cool and unexpected the first time I played it.
If so, then Ys II is certainly holding its own! :)
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: runinruder on August 14, 2007, 10:10:20 AM
Let's not forget that in addition to the sewer draining and the evil antics of Dalles and the awesome transforming-into-a-monster elements already mentioned, Ys II also featured the adorable Lilia, the beastly (but friendly and very cool) Keith Fact, the famous "YOU ANIMAL" line, the mystical scenes where you visit the priest statues, the nifty fire magic to add variety to combat (especially boss battles), and the insanely dramatic climax when the goddesses are engulfed in flames and Adol must face Darm as his sword begins to glow.
Ys I had great music and Dark Fact. Ys II had great music and all the other cool stuff.
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Post by: Black Tiger on August 14, 2007, 12:16:43 PM
Let's not forget that in addition to the sewer draining and the evil antics of Dalles and the awesome transforming-into-a-monster elements already mentioned, Ys II also featured the adorable Lilia, the beastly (but friendly and very cool) Keith Fact, the famous "YOU ANIMAL" line, the mystical scenes where you visit the priest statues, the nifty fire magic to add variety to combat (especially boss battles), and the insanely dramatic climax when the goddesses are engulfed in flames and Adol must face Darm as his sword begins to glow.
Ys I had great music and Dark Fact. Ys II had great music and all the other cool stuff.
The cool stuff in Ys II is fine. I just don't consider some of the lesser fun dungeons part of it.
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Post by: Keranu on August 14, 2007, 01:23:46 PM
Solomine Shrine kicked ass!
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: GUTS on August 14, 2007, 03:46:13 PM
Maybe I need to play through Ys II again, I forgot about turning into a monster, that was kinda cool. But I take issue with runin saying the music was better in II, the Darm tower theme in Ys is one of the best video game music tracks ever written, up there with Mega Man 2 Wily's theme and the main world music from Dragon's Curse.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: runinruder on August 14, 2007, 04:16:56 PM
Maybe I need to play through Ys II again, I forgot about turning into a monster, that was kinda cool. But I take issue with runin saying the music was better in II, the Darm tower theme in Ys is one of the best video game music tracks ever written, up there with Mega Man 2 Wily's theme and the main world music from Dragon's Curse.
I didn't say "the music was better in II." I said the final shrine has better music than Darm Tower. The Darm Tower tune is definitely the one I like the least in the game.
Both I and II, as I've already said, have great music. I don't mentally split the soundtrack up into two separate books; I consider it one fantastic whole. That's how I view "Book I & II" as a game, in fact, but since we are comparing, I do think II has more cool stuff.
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Post by: Black Tiger on August 14, 2007, 04:55:57 PM
I can't help but split the games in my mind, since I played so much Ys SMS for years before finally getting the Turbo version. :P
Although the Darm Tower theme isn't one of my favs, if I remember correctly, I don't like the Darm area music too much either compared to the rest of the soundtrack(s).
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Post by: Keranu on August 14, 2007, 05:32:02 PM
Darm Tower had awesome music, but I prefered the Solomine Shrine song more since it felt a lot more epic and fitted the scene better.
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Post by: esteban on August 14, 2007, 05:36:05 PM
I can't help but split the games in my mind, since I played so much Ys SMS for years before finally getting the Turbo version. :P
Even though I played the SMS version, I still see TG-CD Ys I & II as a complete whole. In fact, I now see the SMS version as "incomplete"! I know it sounds funny, but Ys I & II is so awesome that I immediately felt that it was the "true" yardstick by which to measure everything else.
SUCH IS THE GREATNESS of our favorite game :).
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Black Tiger on August 15, 2007, 01:12:35 AM
To me, Ys I feels like a complete game that was designed as such from the beginning and Ys II feels tacked on, even though its still cool.
Ys II feels like .
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Post by: esteban on August 15, 2007, 01:46:15 AM
To me, Ys I feels like a complete game that was designed as such from the beginning and Ys II feels tacked on, even though its still cool.
Ys II feels like Back to the Future II (http://youtube.com/watch?v=N_tZecUMJGQ).
Hahahhahaha :). Yeah, BthFII = 100% crap. What a stinker. But they really did a good job promoting / hyping it, because I gladly spent $$$$ to see it.
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Post by: nat on August 15, 2007, 04:55:50 AM
Whoa, hold on a minute.
You guys love JJ & Jeff and hate Back to the Future II?
Now I know something is amiss. Are you guys impostors from Opposite World?
Back to the Future II is far and away the best entry in the series, hands down. III is by far the worst (you always know a series is done when it either goes Western or goes into outer space), and I is OK.
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Post by: esteban on August 15, 2007, 06:17:33 AM
You guys love JJ & Jeff and hate Back to the Future II?
Now I know something is amiss. Are you guys impostors from Opposite World?
Back to the Future II is far and away the best entry in the series, hands down. III is by far the worst (you always know a series is done when it either goes Western or goes into outer space), and I is OK.
BttF I = awesome, awesome. When it came out, it was "one hell of a ride."
BttF II = Lame, lame, lame. Even if I were to try to evaluate it on its own, it falls apart because it is devoid of fun, tension, compelling story, etc. etc. I had more fun wasting my money on Harry and the Hendersons (and that's saying something). I did enjoy BttF 2 more than Cool World (but this isn't saying much, is it?). After all these years, I'm still slightly annoyed I paid good money to see Cool World.
Hell, Short Circuit 2 did a better job than BttF 2.
BttF II, unfortunately, is on par with Speed 2: Cruise Control.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: nat on August 15, 2007, 06:43:26 AM
Hell, Short Circuit 2 did a better job than BttF 2.
BttF II, unfortunately, is on par with Speed 2: Cruise Control.
=;
Oh no you didn't.
:( I was particularly harsh, wasn't I? Not one of my finer moments :). But it was fun to tease you.
Anecdote: My friend convinced me (and lots of fellow students) that he had a mail-order catalog with the "surfboards" that were in BttF II! He said he ordered one! We wanted to believe him! He was really good at convincing folks... but he kept forgetting to bring that damn catalog in... kids would ask him, "Hey, did your hoverboard arrive yet?"
I don't know if kids in middle/high school today would be so gullible, but we were :).
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Post by: Turbo D on August 15, 2007, 07:03:58 AM
ha ha, you were a gullible kid :P
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Post by: nat on August 15, 2007, 07:31:40 AM
What school did you go to again?
A kid at my school said the exact same thing! I never believed it but lots of other kids did. Truth is, I think the kid making the claim wanted it to be true so bad he actually started believing it himself.
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Post by: Turbo D on August 15, 2007, 07:40:10 AM
haha, there were kids like that at my skool too.
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Post by: Keranu on August 15, 2007, 10:05:55 AM
Dude I've been watching Back to the Future 1 and 2 like every night for the past month! I think Back to the Future is like my all time favorite movie.
Anyway, I think Back to the Future Part 2 is about as good and perfect as a sequel can get and when you take into consideration of how the first one ended, the two Bobs did an incredible job writing a sequel for that, with Jennifer being in the DeLorean and all. Biff Tannen was an unbelievabley good character in the sequel, which made it a big highlite of the movie for me as well as seeing the future and Marty having to go back to 1955 again while avoiding himself. Awesome, awesome stuff and I think BttF2 has the most amazing special effects than any movie. I still slightly prefer the first one though since it's pure classic chram, but BttF2 was the perfect sequel.
It's a lot like Star Wars to me where the first one is a timeless fun adventure, the second one being an epic sequel, and the third being duller than the others, though I think BttF3 is much worse of a sequel than Jedi was. Strangely enough, my favorite parts of BttF3 and Jedi where the beginning and end with the middle being boring and silly.
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Post by: esteban on August 15, 2007, 10:27:02 AM
Dude I've been watching Back to the Future 1 and 2 like every night for the past month! I think Back to the Future is like my all time favorite movie.
Anyway, I think Back to the Future Part 2 is about as good and perfect as a sequel can get and when you take into consideration of how the first one ended, the two Bobs did an incredible job writing a sequel for that, with Jennifer being in the DeLorean and all. Biff Tannen was an unbelievabley good character in the sequel, which made it a big highlite of the movie for me as well as seeing the future and Marty having to go back to 1955 again while avoiding himself. Awesome, awesome stuff and I think BttF2 has the most amazing special effects than any movie. I still slightly prefer the first one though since it's pure classic chram, but BttF2 was the perfect sequel.
It's a lot like Star Wars to me where the first one is a timeless fun adventure, the second one being an epic sequel, and the third being duller than the others, though I think BttF3 is much worse of a sequel than Jedi was. Strangely enough, my favorite parts of BttF3 and Jedi where the beginning and end with the middle being boring and silly.
Sorry, but BttF2 was crap. Lame. Not interesting. Outside of a handful of movies (Aliens? Wrath of Khan? Rambo II? Empire Strikes Back? ), sequels are weak. Sure, I'll go see them, but the greater the original film was, the harder it is for the sequel to attain even a fraction of its predecessor's greatness.
Of course, after all my ranting, I actually want to watch BttF II again!
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Post by: Black Tiger on August 15, 2007, 12:35:08 PM
Dude I've been watching Back to the Future 1 and 2 like every night for the past month! I think Back to the Future is like my all time favorite movie.
Anyway, I think Back to the Future Part 2 is about as good and perfect as a sequel can get and when you take into consideration of how the first one ended, the two Bobs did an incredible job writing a sequel for that, with Jennifer being in the DeLorean and all. Biff Tannen was an unbelievabley good character in the sequel, which made it a big highlite of the movie for me as well as seeing the future and Marty having to go back to 1955 again while avoiding himself. Awesome, awesome stuff and I think BttF2 has the most amazing special effects than any movie. I still slightly prefer the first one though since it's pure classic chram, but BttF2 was the perfect sequel.
It's a lot like Star Wars to me where the first one is a timeless fun adventure, the second one being an epic sequel, and the third being duller than the others, though I think BttF3 is much worse of a sequel than Jedi was. Strangely enough, my favorite parts of BttF3 and Jedi where the beginning and end with the middle being boring and silly.
Exactly Keranu, Ys II is about as good and perfect as a sequel can get and when you take into consideration of how the first one ended. :)
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: esteban on August 15, 2007, 02:57:25 PM
Dude I've been watching Back to the Future 1 and 2 like every night for the past month! I think Back to the Future is like my all time favorite movie.
Anyway, I think Back to the Future Part 2 is about as good and perfect as a sequel can get and when you take into consideration of how the first one ended, the two Bobs did an incredible job writing a sequel for that, with Jennifer being in the DeLorean and all. Biff Tannen was an unbelievabley good character in the sequel, which made it a big highlite of the movie for me as well as seeing the future and Marty having to go back to 1955 again while avoiding himself. Awesome, awesome stuff and I think BttF2 has the most amazing special effects than any movie. I still slightly prefer the first one though since it's pure classic chram, but BttF2 was the perfect sequel.
It's a lot like Star Wars to me where the first one is a timeless fun adventure, the second one being an epic sequel, and the third being duller than the others, though I think BttF3 is much worse of a sequel than Jedi was. Strangely enough, my favorite parts of BttF3 and Jedi where the beginning and end with the middle being boring and silly.
Exactly Keranu, Ys II is about as good and perfect as a sequel can get and when you take into consideration of how the first one ended. :)
Wrong.
Ys II has been shamed by the reference to Back to the Future II. Ys II has been made a mockery.
I hold my head in grief.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Black Tiger on August 15, 2007, 04:47:31 PM
Sorry, but BttF2 was crap. Lame. Not interesting. Outside of a handful of movies (Aliens? Wrath of Khan? Rambo II? Empire Strikes Back? ), sequels are weak. Sure, I'll go see them, but the greater the original film was, the harder it is for the sequel to attain even a fraction of its predecessor's greatness.
Of course, after all my ranting, I actually want to watch BttF II again!
How is seeing a fun overly done future not interesting? How was it not great when Biff Tannen ruled the world in 1985!? HOW DID YOU NOT LIKE HYDRATED PIZZA OVENS!?!??! :)
Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale never intended to write a sequel for the first movie, but Hollywood forced them to. I am extremely amazed of how well of a job they did and it's one of the best sequels of all time. Personally I didn't think Rambo II was a great sequel since it was so different from the first, but it was an enjoyable movie nonetheless.
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Post by: esteban on August 15, 2007, 06:11:01 PM
What I'm saying is that Ys II is as awesome as can be considering that the first game wrapped up nicely at the end.
I really just want to rant about BttF II. I'm being a troll. I'll stop now :). I wasn't even paying attention to the Ys discussion once Keranu mentioned the movie :).
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Post by: esteban on August 15, 2007, 06:14:08 PM
Sorry, but BttF2 was crap. Lame. Not interesting. Outside of a handful of movies (Aliens? Wrath of Khan? Rambo II? Empire Strikes Back? ), sequels are weak. Sure, I'll go see them, but the greater the original film was, the harder it is for the sequel to attain even a fraction of its predecessor's greatness.
Of course, after all my ranting, I actually want to watch BttF II again!
How is seeing a fun overly done future not interesting? How was it not great when Biff Tannen ruled the world in 1985!? HOW DID YOU NOT LIKE HYDRATED PIZZA OVENS!?!??! :)
Robert Zemeckis and Bob Gale never intended to write a sequel for the first movie, but Hollywood forced them to. I am extremely amazed of how well of a job they did and it's one of the best sequels of all time. Personally I didn't think Rambo II was a great sequel since it was so different from the first, but it was an enjoyable movie nonetheless.
I'm going to rent this goddam movie this weekend to see if I can appreciate some aspect of it. :)
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Keranu on August 15, 2007, 07:00:32 PM
If you can impreciate Blodia, I think you can appreciate frickin' Back to the Future Part II out of all things! Saweet Jesus! :mrgreen:
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Post by: esteban on August 16, 2007, 01:19:40 AM
That's what I impreciate about the game -- the fun factor :).
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: nat on August 16, 2007, 04:32:57 AM
When I was in Hawaii three months ago I spent many-a-night sitting on the deck of our rental house playing Blodia on my GT as the sun went down and enjoying a Corona or three.
Good times!
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Post by: Necromancer on August 16, 2007, 06:09:47 AM
When I was in Hawaii three months ago I spent many-a-night sitting on the deck of our rental house playing Blodia on my GT as the sun went down and enjoying a Corona or three.
Good times!
I don't believe you - Blodia was just your cover story for when you got caught ogling the bikinis. :lol:
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Post by: nat on August 16, 2007, 06:38:07 AM
No, I got caught doing that during the day.
Blodia was there to relax me after all the "excitement."
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Post by: Keranu on August 16, 2007, 10:06:43 AM
When I was in Hawaii three months ago I spent many-a-night sitting on the deck of our rental house playing Blodia on my GT as the sun went down and enjoying a Corona or three.
Good times!
Haha, awesome! They should replace that Corona commercial of that guy relaxing on the beach with you playing your GT instead.
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Post by: sunteam_paul on August 22, 2007, 05:23:06 AM
Blodia was there to relax me after all the "excitement."
You found Blodia relaxing? How is this possible?
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: Keranu on August 22, 2007, 10:06:42 AM
Now I can certainly see how Blodia is relaxing. It may not be enjoyable to actually play, but having nice soft tunes accompany the slow pace of the ball traveling through tubes seems relaxing to me :) .
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: nat on August 22, 2007, 03:44:01 PM
Yeah, Keranu's got it.
Except I actually enjoy the gameplay. To some extent. In somewhat small doses.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: esteban on August 22, 2007, 05:05:44 PM
I enjoy Blodia. It's a great concept and decently executed. Totally fun puzzler.
(http://junk.tg-16.com/images/diablo.jpg)
:)
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: GUTS on August 23, 2007, 02:20:09 PM
You know if Blodia had a little guy that got chased around by the ball and winning the stage meant smashing him up against one of the walls in a bloody mess, I would have probably thought it was ok. Especially if he got all panicky as you got closer to completing the puzzle and running him down.
Title: Re: Could someone recommend a little-kid RPG for GUTS?
Post by: nat on August 24, 2007, 03:35:04 AM
You know if Blodia had a little guy that got chased around by the ball and winning the stage meant smashing him up against one of the walls in a bloody mess, I would have probably thought it was ok. Especially if he got all panicky as you got closer to completing the puzzle and running him down.
That's a completely awesome idea.
Anyone up to code Blodia 2?
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Post by: Keranu on August 24, 2007, 09:30:06 AM
I would love to see that. By the way, does it actually show that guy on the cover running around in the game for Diablo?
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Post by: esteban on August 27, 2007, 02:02:50 PM
I would love to see that. By the way, does it actually show that guy on the cover running around in the game for Diablo?
http://www.lemon64.com/games/details.php?ID=3852
Unfortunately, no. The artist realized that the coverart wouldn't be nearly as gripping if he didn't arbitrarily insert a hairless albino into the composition. Bravo!
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Post by: Keranu on August 27, 2007, 02:18:45 PM