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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: GUTS on August 24, 2007, 11:56:30 AM
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Obviously Keranu is the favored win in this poll since he automatically likes bad games just because they're bad. Steve loves tons of horrible games, but usually has at least some oddball reason for liking them that doesn't have to do with everybody else hating them. Black Tiger is a wild card, for every Blood Gear caliber game he likes, there is a Fighting Street in his closet that gets far too much praise. I'm predicting a sweep by Keranu since his bad taste is virtually unheard of anywhere on the internet or real life, in fact I'd wager you could stack him up against a worldwide circuit of bad game fanatics and even they'd be sickened by his "like" lists.
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I vote Steve since he loves Blodia so much and that's one of the fun games I don't like. Really though, all of us are on pretty equal terms.
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Well, not Steve. He can usually present a well-written case to defend his ridiculous opinions, so I can respect his views even when I don't agree with them. Sometimes he says dopey things, like his recent CF3 "observation," but those instances are rare.
Black Tiger not only has horrible taste, but insists on providing ridiculous "theories" as to why people don't like every awful PCE game that he does. He's a lot like the snerds in this respect. But I'll give him a lot of credit for one thing: I probably wouldn't have gotten into a number of great Japanese RPGs, or even as into that whole area of PCE play as I am now, if not for his guides. So that negates the recent nonsense he's been posting, to a point at least.
Keranu has the worst taste, period. He likes every piece of PCE shit that's ever been crapped out, comes up with inane reasons to rip on amazing games for other systems (like Lightening Force) that he'd absolutely adore if they were available for the PCE, and when he finally does find a PCE game to be "not so hot" it's usually something that's actually legitimately good like Spriggan.
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I voted black tiger because he likes buster bros. :P
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I voted black tiger because he likes buster bros. :P
God forbid anyone like that gay game!
I'm predicting a sweep by Keranu since his bad taste is virtually unheard of anywhere on the internet or real life, in fact I'd wager you could stack him up against a worldwide circuit of bad game fanatics and even they'd be sickened by his "like" lists.
I absolutely love how JJ & Jeff was an example in every single instance. I'd choose all three if I could.
Seriously though, I went with Keranu since about the only game I think we ever agreed on was Final Soldier. Oh, and Insector X isn't all that bad. But it's not anything to write home about.
I catch myself agreeing with Black Tiger and Steve (Blodia) from time to time.
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I voted for keranu sorry man you like keith courage in the alpha zone :P
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I actually never got into Exile II or Blood Gear, but I like Golden Axe, Rastan Saga II seemed alright for what it is the few times I've tried it and Keith Courage is a nice but flawed game I also like. I also think that Plump Pop is one of the greatest arcade games ever made.
I love Night Creatures (http://superpcenginegrafx.com/nightcreatures.wmv), so that should be enough to earn some bad taste respect. But I also agree when a game really is bad or flawed, even though I may still appreciate it. I don't think Fighting Street is a good game, but its still entertaining.
I'm just not very hateful in general. I like video games, so most bad games still have some value. I don't play games looking for reasons to hate them, only the opposite. Some of the games that are considered masterpieces actually aren't very fun, but many games people consider unspectacular really are. People who insist on only playing the best of the best are really missing out.
I don't favor unusual games, I just have a wider spectrum of appreciation that most people. I still love pretty much all the 'big' Turbo/PCE games, so its not like I hate Lords of Thunder but love Deep Blue(I don't like Deep Blue anyway). I also like games on any platform. I don't hate any console or have any negative biases. Unlike many of the people around here who are considered to have more 'normal' taste, but hate the Genesis, SNES or something.
I voted for Stevek666, since Keranu is more into cheezy and wacky stuff (games and otherwise), but Steve seems to have more of a genuine interest in bad games (especially when drunk). And I don't like cell phone games. :wink:
I still think that my poll option would sound a lot worse than Steve's if it said:
(another JJ & Jeff offender, Night Creatures, Golden Axe, Fighting Street) :P
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i voted for Steve666, since there was rastan II listed :mrgreen:
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I'm not voting for any of them. Cant really knock their taste,even if the majority feel its a bad game, its obviously doing something right for the few enjoying it.
Some of the titles above are ones I totally adore or at least respect for being what they are in their time period like Street Fighter. I love Buster Bros. I also love Time Killers which I know tons of people hate to death,but for me it does sooo much right,that I really enjoy it quite a bit.
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's a tough one, though I like my share of some "bad" games (KCKC). :)
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You all suck.
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Keranu has the worst taste, period. He likes every piece of PCE shit that's ever been crapped out, comes up with inane reasons to rip on amazing games for other systems (like Lightening Force) that he'd absolutely adore if they were available for the PCE, and when he finally does find a PCE game to be "not so hot" it's usually something that's actually legitimately good like Spriggan.
I've already mentioned several times here at least two Turbo games I don't enjoy: JACK NICKLAUS GOLF and Blodia (whatever the American one is called). If I went through a list of Turbo games, I could probably pick out a few more I never particularly enjoyed, but those two are certain. I can non-biasely say that I wouldn't enjoy Thunder Force III or IV if it was on because the controls are just plain uncomfortable (Masters can back me up on this) and the graphics are dirty, but the soundtrack might've been better if it was on PCE. I love Spriggan, but not until I got to play it again when you held that tournament. I didn't like it so much before then, but I've learned to appreciate it a lot more since then.
What can I say? I'm a lover not a fighter 8) .
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I voted for Steve. I usually agree with a lot of what Black Tiger has to say and I know that Keranu is just "special". For instance:
Thunder Force III or IV if it was on because the controls are just plain uncomfortable (Masters can back me up on this) and the graphics are dirty, but the soundtrack might've been better if it was on PCE.
Yeah. Not sure who "Masters" is, but he sounds like like a cornhole. The controls couldn't be easier, and if you think you need to switch your weapons and adjust your speed a lot in either of those games, then you suck at videogames. And the music rawks da wurld on both of those games and would sound much thinner as a HuCard.
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Not sure who "Masters" is, but he sounds like like a cornhole.
Maybe he is referring to Ken Masters of street fighter :P
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Yeah. Not sure who "Masters" is, but he sounds like like a cornhole.
He's a guy we know from another site. Keranu fails to note that Masters has posted online reviews giving TF3 an 8/10 and Lightening Force a 10/10.
. The controls couldn't be easier
Yeah. Notice that Keranu never complains about Gate of Thunder having uncomfortable controls even though it basically has the same scheme, being that it's a Thunder Force rip-off and all.
And the music rawks da wurld on both of those games and would sound much thinner as a HuCard.
Be careful. There are guys here who will defend Turbo audio no matter how awful it sounds in comparison. You're certainly right, though.
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Yeah. Not sure who "Masters" is, but he sounds like like a cornhole.
He's a guy we know from another site. Keranu fails to note that Masters has posted online reviews giving TF3 an 8/10 and Lightening Force a 10/10.
Not sure about Lightening Force, but you must've missed his update (http://www.segabastard.com/features/hits.html) which he changes the score to a 6/10. Not only that, but he further comments saying how Gate of Thunder is the ultimate TFIII killer and the controls, " Perhaps it's the fact that all the sprites seem just a bit slippery. A good shooter has to feel a certain way.". I couldn't agree with him more on that. Runin out of all people really shouldn't be talking since he loves Legion (and why the hell isn't Runin on this list!? I don't even like Legion!)
Yeah. Notice that Keranu never complains about Gate of Thunder having uncomfortable controls even though it basically has the same scheme, being that it's a Thunder Force rip-off and all.
You guys aren't understanding me when I complain about the controls. The quote I pasted from Masters explains it well by describing the sprites as "slippery". The way your ship moves in TFIII and IV just never felt right to me and didn't feel as tight as other shooters (dare I say GoT?). I'm aware there is a speed adjustment options, but I'm not even sure if that has to do with it since none of the speed options feel comfortable (and I generally don't like speed adjustments in general). Also as Joe said, I never liked the long list of weapons to select from. Gates gives you three nice choices of weapons to choose from and they all come in handy for various spots of the game.
And the music rawks da wurld on both of those games and would sound much thinner as a HuCard.
Be careful. There are guys here who will defend Turbo audio no matter how awful it sounds in comparison. You're certainly right, though.
Different strokes for different folks. I found the sound quality to be ear bleeding (I'm not blaming the Genesis because Sega has made awesome sounding games for the system), so yes I would prefer a "thinner" sound in this case.
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Not sure about Lightening Force, but you must've missed his update (http://www.segabastard.com/features/hits.html) which he changes the score to a 6/10.
So your "backup" feels the controls are okay enough to warrant the HIGHEST POSSIBLE SCORE in one case and poor enough to deserve a mediocre score in another. Sounds more like he's a backup for both of us at once. :D
Runin out of all people really shouldn't be talking since he loves Legion (and why the hell isn't Runin on this list!? I don't even like Legion!)
I'd be happy to comment on my own horrid tastes. I don't call my review thread "useless thoughts" for nothing. I have a sense of humor about it.
You constantly make comments about my tastes anyway whenever I mention my dislike for a game that you happen to love (Ys 4, Bonk's Revenge, etc.). I'm just making a few about your tastes now. Don't be a baby.
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Not sure about Lightening Force, but you must've missed his update (http://www.segabastard.com/features/hits.html) which he changes the score to a 6/10.
So your "backup" feels the controls are okay enough to warrant the HIGHEST POSSIBLE SCORE in one case and poor enough to deserve a mediocre score in another. Sounds more like he's a backup for both of us at once. :D
I haven't read his Lightning Force review but it may as well be outdated like his TFIII one. I hate TFIII and IV pretty equally since they feel a lot like the same game to me.
Runin out of all people really shouldn't be talking since he loves Legion (and why the hell isn't Runin on this list!? I don't even like Legion!)
I'd be happy to comment on my own horrid tastes. I don't call my review thread "useless thoughts" for nothing. I have a sense of humor about it.
And I don't have a sense of humor about bad games (http://lazerdorks.org/hardcoregaming/mathfun/index.html) ? I'm all about the cheese man, we're on equal terms here.
You constantly make comments about my tastes anyway whenever I mention my dislike for a game that you happen to love (Ys 4, Bonk's Revenge, etc.). I'm just making a few about your tastes now. Don't be a baby.
I don't recall "constantly" making comments about games you didn't like nor have I ever criticized you for not liking a game. I don't appreciate people accusing me of bias for loving every PCE game, bad or good, when in reality I love bad games for any system. Once again, I'm a lover not a fighter 8) .
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Thunder Force 3 and 4 feel completely different to me. I don't know what you mean by slippery controls. If I stop pressing a direction, the ship stops immediately. Perhaps the controls are too precise for you? If that Masters guy reviews something and then goes around and re-reviews stuff giving them a completely different score, I'd say it's an extremely safe bet that none of his reviews can ever be trusted. It's not like the games themselves actually change over time. So how could a review become obsolete? I bet he drinks his own diarrhea for breakfast. Oh, and you can tell him I said that! :dance:
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I haven't read his Lightning Force review but it may as well be outdated like his TFIII one.
Maybe his revised TF3 is outdated by now. :wink:
I don't recall "constantly" making comments about games you didn't like nor have I ever criticized you for not liking a game.
Come on now. You've criticized me plenty for my feelings on Ys 4 among other games, and let's not even get into your tirades when I've commented on the NES. I know you don't mean anything awful by it, but I'm not exactly out for your blood here either. :)
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Thunder Force 3 and 4 feel completely different to me. I don't know what you mean by slippery controls. If I stop pressing a direction, the ship stops immediately. Perhaps the controls are too precise for you?
It's not so much about your ship stopping immediately, but the slippyness of when it actually comes. It doesn't feel precise to me and I know it's not some kind of controller problem or anything like that. If I was a coder, maybe I could pull some technical stuff outta my ass but I guess only few notice this.
Come on now. You've criticized me plenty for my feelings on Ys 4 among other games, and let's not even get into your tirades when I've commented on the NES. I know you don't mean anything awful by it, but I'm not exactly out for your blood here either. ;)
I'll be a nerd and check out old posts later. I don't recall critcizing you (if I did I appologize) but I generally recall me giving reasons why myself and others like certain games you don't. I admit I was really surprised you didn't like Ys IV since I found it to be an ideal follow up to the first two, but I have nothing against you for it.
[QUOTE author=Joe}If that Masters guy reviews something and then goes around and re-reviews stuff giving them a completely different score, I'd say it's an extremely safe bet that none of his reviews can ever be trusted. It's not like the games themselves actually change over time. So how could a review become obsolete? I bet he drinks his own diarrhea for breakfast. Oh, and you can tell him I said that![/quote][quote="ruder]Maybe his revised TF3 is outdated by now.[/QUOTE]Perhaps his view has changed yet again, but I haven't heard anything. Last time I talked to him, he still didn't like TFIII as much, granted that was months ago.
I should also point out that I can learn to appreciate and enjoy games I dislike (or even hate) after playing them enough, especially if I own them. A good example that comes to mind is Ranger X, which I thought was a clunky piece of crap when I first played it but after playing it enough, I learned to love it a lot. I will try to give Lightening Force another chance soon (since I don't own TFIII), but I've gotta say that I have gave this and TFIII numerous tries and the charm just never sparkled on me.
Also I've been meaning to put together a list of TG16/PCE games that I don't like for months now, but haven't gotten around to it. I feel it's important for people to be aware of games that Keranu doesn't even like. This will be another thing on my to-do list.
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What do you think of Thunder Force II? Personally, I love it.... both overhead and sidescrolling stages.
Also, you love Double Dungeons and its dirty graphics. You would rather all the kittens in the world die before you'd give up your copy of Double Dungeons!
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THIS IS ESTELIZA.
ROGER, GOOD LUCK.
You and I are the only ones who love TF2, Joe.
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In the prototype review page I made for my site, I have a score for personal preference and in the few reviews I've got in the works, I try to explain who might like a game and why.
Reviews by humans don't determine a game's true quality, only personal judgements. I don't know anyone who doesn't change their mind from time to time over the years about things like games, movies, books, etc. I don't think that by going further in depth with a re-review destroys credibility, only the opposite.
Its the smug bastards at EGM who stand by their reviews till death. When Gamefan actually started re-reviewing games for special reasons, I respected them more, not less.
Too many people, including 'classic gamerz', are blown away be aesthetics or gimmicks the first time they experience some games and only later are they able to take a clearer look at a game and judge it with less bias.
Also, personal judgement of a genre's games should change/grow as they play more and more of them. I'd trust Billy's opinion of Gradius after playing 100 shooters more than his opinion of it back when it was the only shooter he'd ever tried.
I also think that its narrow minded to decide absolutely how you feel about a game and then vow to never go back on your decision. I hope to learn to someday get into most of the games I don't like that most people swear are fun. I also find myself getting tired of some games that I once thought were the best.
As for shooters feeling 'slippery' or not 'arcade' or whatever. I know that some do feel weird to me and the other night I was thinking about how in some games it bugs me when a ship doesn't animate as you turn up or down. It shouldn't make a difference, but it does for me. :)
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THIS IS ESTELIZA.
ROGER, GOOD LUCK.
You and I are the only ones who love TF2, Joe.
Don't forget me. 8)
I wouldn't have gotten hooked on the Genesis from the get go if it weren't for that game. :)
I was more impressed by the overhead stages than the sidescrollers when I first played it back in the day.
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Lightening Force is one of God's gifts to shooter fans. Thunder Force 3... well, it plays fine, it's just lacking in intensity.
As for Thunder Force 2, that game was just conceptually flawed from the start. The overhead scenes are trash, and the sidescrolling bits are on the level of Whip Rush.
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What do you think of Thunder Force II? Personally, I love it.... both overhead and sidescrolling stages.
I own it, but I've barely played any of that game. I couldn't figure out what to do, but it seemed cool (I like games that mix genres like that). Will be on my to play list.
Also, you love Double Dungeons and its dirty graphics. You would rather all the kittens in the world die before you'd give up your copy of Double Dungeons!
I'm not going to argue with you about Double Dungeons; it has really shitty dirty graphics. Some enemies look cool (I like the mummy rhino thing), but the tiles are dreadful. The scrolling is nice though, so maybe that played a part in it to make the scrolling easier or something. Anyway, that game is all about da two player dungeon exploring, yo.
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Black Tiger, EGM and GameFan's re-reviewing of games (or not) is an entirely different situation where the game they reviewed is often not 100% complete. A person simply should not be reviewing games in the first place if they haven't played a well-rounded catalog of games. They should also be reviewing games not based on memories of the first time they experienced them in 1992, but by playing them as much as they can right before writing the actual review. They should explain what makes them enjoy it or not. A re-review makes me think that a person missed something the first time, thus making their reviews suspect... how many other reviews are inadequate? Does this person always overlook stuff? Why isn't this person thorough? When will this person find the current review inadequate? Yes, opinions can change, but that should be no more than an amendment to the original review itself with something like "In my original review of this game, I forgot to press the START button at the title screen since I am a complete retard. So now I am enjoying this a little more than before". If you want to review games, stand up and have some balls. Only in serious cases where grave errors are made or serious mis-information was involved should the score be changed. If you disagree, don't ever accuse any person of being a hypocrite.
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Black Tiger, EGM and GameFan's re-reviewing of games (or not) is an entirely different situation where the game they reviewed is often not 100% complete. A person simply should not be reviewing games in the first place if they haven't played a well-rounded catalog of games. They should also be reviewing games not based on memories of the first time they experienced them in 1992, but by playing them as much as they can right before writing the actual review. They should explain what makes them enjoy it or not. A re-review makes me think that a person missed something the first time, thus making their reviews suspect... how many other reviews are inadequate? Does this person always overlook stuff? Why isn't this person thorough? When will this person find the current review inadequate? Yes, opinions can change, but that should be no more than an amendment to the original review itself with something like "In my original review of this game, I forgot to press the START button at the title screen since I am a complete retard. So now I am enjoying this a little more than before". If you want to review games, stand up and have some balls. Only in serious cases where grave errors are made or serious mis-information was involved should the score be changed. If you disagree, don't ever accuse any person of being a hypocrite.
Do you think then, that someone shouldn't begin playing a game to write a review for right after, unless they first play most of whats out there in the genre first? Even if they are reviewing a game based on recent experience, trying to score a game so that it is proportionate to other games can only be done going by memory of everything else.
When Pong came out, it would've scored a 10/10. Whats wrong with going back to rereview it say, once every decade or so? I'm guessing that as much as it amazed people when it came out and as much fun as they had with it, anyone who has been playing games regularly ever since isn't going to be as impressed by it today.
If someone loved a game and scores it high, but later goes on to play many superior games of the same genre on the same console, whats wrong with them adjusting their score(s)? I think whats most important is just explaining the experience, breaking down the game to give the reader a good idea of what to expect and some insight into why different people might enjoy it or who should steer clear. And if a rereview explains how/why they feel differently about certain aspects, then its basically just an addition to the original review, providing further insight to how different people might feel about it.
Especially since most people seem to people have various biases about hardware/technology and as more and more time goes by, opinions of consoles seem to level out. Not as many people today feel that the SNES is as 'good-as-32-bit' as people did back when it peeked.
Toshinden got great reviews from everyone when it came out. Check out Nick Rox & Takuhi's comments in particular-
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You can say they were just being idiots at first, but everyone did the same thing. Takuhi(?) put it best when he said "Sorry Takara, you don't get points for novelty anymore."
Plus many people aren't able to play console hardware with anything better than composite and later have different opinions of graphics once they get a 'better picture'. Some people can play a port in component or S-Video on one system, but only composite on another. Whats wrong with rereviewing the visuals once they're able to compare the graphics with a clear view of each. You can't even compare Genesis graphics in composite to TG-16 or SNES in composite, since its so blurry and different on various Genesis hardware. I'm now finding many Genesis games look radically different with a clear image and its changed my opinion of many.
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Hahaha, that's great, Black_Tiger!
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I think Black_Tiger and Keranu have great taste in games, what are you weirdos talking about?
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Black Tiger... you keep missing the point!
This diarrhea-guzzling "Masters" douchebag reviewed games looooooooooooong after they came out... looooooooooong after 32-bit systems came and went and probably reviewed them during the PS2 era. How would he be blown away by the wicked graphics and awesome sound then like the GameFan tards did with Toshinden (Gamefan's scores were always too high and every game made them hard)? It's not like he'll go back and say "Oh man, after playing a bunch more PS2 games, I find that the Genesis graphics don't stand up. Since I am a dumbf*ck, I'm gonna lower the score. Please don't read my reviews again since I may change the score at any time once I figure they are obsolete". By your logic, every videogame review ever written is now obsolete and should be re-reviewed.
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Oh man, Steve is catching up to me! I'm supposed to win!
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It's probably the cell phone games catapulting steve up through the rankings, I think he's the only person in north america who actually plays them.
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The thought of cell phone games gives me nightmares.
Like four or five years ago my wife took the state certification test (practical) to get her cosmetology license. They test you in some building like three hours from anywhere. We had to drive there the day before and stay the night in a motel since the test was at 8:00am and we didn't feel like getting up at 2:30am and trying to drive there the same day. So I dropped her at the testing place at 8:00 and went back to the motel. Checkout time was 11 so I slept until it was time to leave. Her test didn't end until 2pm so I sat in the car from 11am through 2pm with absolutely nothing to do but play the two cell phone games on my phone. The town was so small they didn't have anything but an industrial section, a gas station, Burger King, McDonald's and the motel. Seriously. There was nothing. I don't even think anybody lived there-- it was just one of those "freeway towns" right off I-5 for people to stop in on their way to better places.
Those were probably the worst three hours of my life. I will never touch another cell phone game again.
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Black Tiger... you keep missing the point!
This diarrhea-guzzling "Masters" douchebag reviewed games looooooooooooong after they came out... looooooooooong after 32-bit systems came and went and probably reviewed them during the PS2 era. How would he be blown away by the wicked graphics and awesome sound then like the GameFan tards did with Toshinden (Gamefan's scores were always too high and every game made them hard)? It's not like he'll go back and say "Oh man, after playing a bunch more PS2 games, I find that the Genesis graphics don't stand up. Since I am a dumbf*ck, I'm gonna lower the score. Please don't read my reviews again since I may change the score at any time once I figure they are obsolete". By your logic, every videogame review ever written is now obsolete and should be re-reviewed.
But thats exactly what he did. After playing Gate of Thunder, his opinion of TF3 changed. I don't agree with it, but to him the bar was raised. Like say if someone loved sports games on Turbo/PCE, but hadn't played many on other consoles. I think its logical for them to look at some of those games differently after playing the best sports titles on Genesis and SNES.
Earlier, I mentioned how one might guage games within a genre on the same console different after they've played say, 60% of them as opposed to 15%. I see it happen with people who play more games within a so-called generation. Like how your Sega-CD scaling demo takes the thunder out of SNES Mode 7 effects.
And many people do find old games to look ugly once they've played the mighty PS2. Many people have a magic line, where at one point in time games automatically switched from ugly to gorgeous. For some, 8-bit is crap, but 16-bit rules. Some people love NES graphics, but hate the Atari/Coleco generation.
I'm not one of those people, but I take it into consideration when I do something like, on occasional actually try listening to one of those Retronauts episodes on 1up.com. I think that they would probably be more impressed by the SMS if they tried more than the 4 or 5 games they could even think of.
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That's another reason why I don't feel games should get a "10" unless they really, really deserve it. These days EGM hands them out like candy, as do most GameFAQs "reviewers". I rate a game based on how much I enjoy it. Playing Streets of Rage 2 didn't make me appreciate the first one any less or lower my opinion of it even though I think the sequel is better. The only exception would be is if I said "OMG it's the best game EVAR!" since that can and will change all the time.
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The mistake here is in assuming reviewers (professional or otherwise) have more game-playing experience than anyone else. They don't. And, while experience can be an issue, there's something else to consider:
Some games get worse over time. Some games get better over time. And when you play a game for the very first time, it's impossible to tell which category it will fall into.
Contemporary reviews are often written as a sort of "time capsule", capturing the writer's enjoyment at a particular singular point. Because of that, it's hard to gauge which games will become classics, and which ones will fade in power -- because the reviewer hasn't let enough time pass to know any better. That's why it's so easy to point and laugh at old magazine reviews.
Just look at the Nights/SMB64 phenomenon... when they came out, both were highly rated, but SMB64 came out on top. And the reasons given made a lot of sense (one being that it was potentially the start of a brand new genre, and thus more important). But now a lot of people recall Nights more fondly, because it has never been replicated, and also because it's just much easier to pick up and play than SMB64.
After playing a game for the first time, a reviewer can make educated guesses, but they have no way to *know* a game's (1) genre impact, or (2) enduring replayability. So if someone "re-reviews" a game, taking those two things into account, it's understandable that the score would change. It doesn't mean they were stupid or hypocritical; it just means that new information is being considered, which wasn't available at the time of original review.
And that can happen no matter what game is being reviewed. Unless you've let the game sit and fester in your mind for a year (or more), you may very well find yourself looking back and wondering what the hell you were thinking by giving it a 9, 10, or whatever.
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Some good points, but then I must ask if you feel reviews have any worth at all? I agree it is impossible to tell if a game will become a classic or not. I reviewed Mike Tyson's Punch-Out on the NES a little while back and I gave it a 4. I didn't find it very fun and I simply could not get in to it. But that game is considered a classic (and overrated in my opinion). People went apeshit I write my reviews with what I think about the game at the time. Like I said before, amending a review (but leaving all of the original text intact) would be the best way to go. Just a new paragraph on why an opinion has changed over time.
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Mike Tyson's Punch-Out is rad to tha max!
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Hahhahahahahhahaa!
I just got back from Boston (hence my absence from the boards for the past few days) and I was going through the threads... little did I know that this gem would be here!
I don't want to vote (it will taint the results, but if Keranu and B_T didn't vote for the same person, I should vote for the remaining candidate to cancel-out all of our votes)... but I want to see the results!
So, someone has to post the current results :).
Oh yeah: Scrabble Blast is an AWESOME as a cell-phone game, you bastards!
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I don't think I've voted for anyone, but the poll no longer displays an option for me to vote so maybe I have. If I did, I probably voted myself then, but again I don't remember voting because I didn't want to skew the results either.
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Wow, apparently I did vote and more surpisingly I voted for Steve! I removed my vote now so it's all good. Black_Tiger, did you vote for anyone?
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Wow, apparently I did vote and more surpisingly I voted for Steve! I removed my vote now so it's all good. Black_Tiger, did you vote for anyone?
Post the current results :)
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Wow, apparently I did vote and more surpisingly I voted for Steve! I removed my vote now so it's all good. Black_Tiger, did you vote for anyone?
Post the current results :)
Do you not have the option to View Results? I guess that's a moderator thing then, mwahahaha.
Keranu - 8 (53.3%)
Steve666 - 6 (40%)
Black Tiger - 1 (6.7%)
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Please add 3 more votes for Steve from me k thanx.
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Please add 3 more votes for Steve from me k thanx.
No! I'm supposed to win this poll by a landslide !! Besides I don't think I can vote more than once. :-k
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GENPEI TOUMADEN IS THE BEST GAME EVER!!!!
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Are you sure you're not thinking of its sequel ? :lol:
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Had to go with option #2. Anyone who likes cellphone games is just...ugh. :D
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Had to go with option #2. Anyone who likes cellphone games is just...ugh. :D
Hahhahahahaa.
You know, I recently got Metal Slug and Tetris Mania. So, I have to ask EA: Why can't I customize the difficulty in Tetris? I want to adjust height and speed, goddammit.
And still I persist...
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HA! I like FMV games and I thought Menace Beach (NES) was mediocre! I beat ALL OF YA!!! :dance:
Okay. Maybe I shouldn't have shared that with you guys...
I may not be a harsh critic of games, but I appreciate what each game does well...
A warning from the poster: Some of my comments coming up, you might not like. Don't read if you are feeling easily offended.
And if you guys think that Gate of Thunder totally pwns the Thunder Force series, I accuse you of all being biased NEC fanboys! [-X
I like Thunder Force! In my opinion, one of the best shooter series on Sega.
So, your ship in TF has weird controls, and it stops on a dime but feels slippery... WTF!? This sounds like whining to me...
So what makes Gate of Thunder so much better than Thunder Force? Can someone explain it to me? I guess without hearing any arguments to support this, it just sounds a little fanboyish...
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HA! I like FMV games and I thought Menace Beach (NES) was mediocre! I beat ALL OF YA!!! :dance:
Okay. Maybe I shouldn't have shared that with you guys...
I may not be a harsh critic of games, but I appreciate what each game does well...
A warning from the poster: Some of my comments coming up, you might not like. Don't read if you are feeling easily offended.
And if you guys think that Gate of Thunder totally pwns the Thunder Force series, I accuse you of all being biased NEC fanboys! [-X
I like Thunder Force! In my opinion, one of the best shooter series on Sega.
So, your ship in TF has weird controls, and it stops on a dime but feels slippery... WTF!? This sounds like whining to me...
So what makes Gate of Thunder so much better than Thunder Force? Can someone explain it to me? I guess without hearing any arguments to support this, it just sounds a little fanboyish...
The soundtrack is better. And soundtrack = 50% of a SHMUP's worth.
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The soundtrack is better. And soundtrack = 50% of a SHMUP's worth.
I pretty much agree with the second part of that statement. Gate of Thunder has an awesome soundtrack. But then again, so does Thunder Force 2, 3, and 4. I prefer the music in TF 2 and 3 to part 4, though. The melodies are righteous and totally rad.
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The soundtrack is better. And soundtrack = 50% of a SHMUP's worth.
I pretty much agree with the second part of that statement. Gate of Thunder has an awesome soundtrack. But then again, so does Thunder Force 2, 3, and 4. I prefer the music in TF 2 and 3 to part 4, though. The melodies are righteous and totally rad.
While that may be true, my favorite is Thunder Force V.
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GoT wins by default for having 3 other games built into the disk, haha, j/k.
HA! I like FMV games and I thought Menace Beach (NES) was mediocre! I beat ALL OF YA!!! :dance:
Okay. Maybe I shouldn't have shared that with you guys...
I may not be a harsh critic of games, but I appreciate what each game does well...
A warning from the poster: Some of my comments coming up, you might not like. Don't read if you are feeling easily offended.
And if you guys think that Gate of Thunder totally pwns the Thunder Force series, I accuse you of all being biased NEC fanboys! [-X
I like Thunder Force! In my opinion, one of the best shooter series on Sega.
So, your ship in TF has weird controls, and it stops on a dime but feels slippery... WTF!? This sounds like whining to me...
So what makes Gate of Thunder so much better than Thunder Force? Can someone explain it to me? I guess without hearing any arguments to support this, it just sounds a little fanboyish...
fanboyish arguments? Thunder Force was released on Nec hardware, not sega hardware. I think that GoT has better graphx and sound.
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Thunder Force was released on Nec hardware, not sega hardware.
Huh?
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I believe he's refering to Thunder Force 1, which if I remember correctly, was released on an NEC computer. Hardcore Gaming 101 said it had little music (just one song, William Tell Overture if I remember correctly), and overhead stages (ala TF2) only.
According to the arguments used in this thread, that must mean it sucks. :wink:
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Yes, that was the one I was referring :) I thought that it would be funny, especially since everyone really means ThunderForce2 or later when they say ThunderForce :lol: But ya, part 1 was released on some nec home computer or something like that.
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So what makes Gate of Thunder so much better than Thunder Force? Can someone explain it to me? I guess without hearing any arguments to support this, it just sounds a little fanboyish...
The one thing I do like about the Thunder Force games is that there are some pretty cool level designs. I like the composition of the music as well, but I really didn't like the quality of it. Other than that, I think Gates is pretty much superior in every aspect: Graphics - A lot smoother and colorful with really nice background details.
Sound - Really nice sound effects and outstanding unique music
Controls - Super smooth
Gameplay - Nice and straight forward with lots of cool enemies to destroy, incredibly sweet level layouts (none of that dead openness of TF), and big bosses.
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Yes, that was the one I was referring :) I thought that it would be funny, especially since everyone really means ThunderForce2 or later when they say ThunderForce :lol: But ya, part 1 was released on some nec home computer or something like that.
It was multi-platform d00d, just like Madden '08. It appeared on many different Japanese computers. Some versions of it may have had more music.
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I'll add that ThunderForce II was originally a X68000 game.