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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: Kitsunexus on September 29, 2007, 06:53:04 AM
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This is the Panasonic 3D0 Realplayer. It looks like the Duo, but more importantly it looks like:
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The Playstation 3.
You know what else they have in common? Both of them were insanely expensive when launched (This model of 3D0 was $1000), they both had the latest technology for their time inside of them, they both tried to be the center of the home entertainment system, and they both suck because they have lackluster games.
This is just an observation I've made.
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I can never expect what these threads are about from reading their title names :D .
Keep in mind that the 3DO you posted is the FZ-10 model, which came later. The price and home entertainment part is right though.
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looks more like a duo but ya it does look close to a ps3..
If you posted this on a sony fanboy forum you'll probably get lynched!
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Not really :?
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It also looks like an Amiga CD32, and one of the later models of of CD-I...also, like of like a Marty, but a different color. It also looks like the prototype system from Taito that was never released (which I'm pretty sure was a PC Engine in disguise)
A lot of consoles looked the same back then.
BTW, I don't think any model of 3D0 was $1000 at any point. Not even in Japan, and this is a later priced-down model. It was more like $700 which is, adjusted for inflation, about what a PS3 cost.
Of course, as shitty as the PS3 is, blind loyalty will keep the user base high, and eventually software worth playing will be released, the price will come down, and someday, probably, it will be a machine worth owning. It's hard to imagine, but this is exactly what happened to the PS2. That thing was f*cking worthless when it came out, but now it has the best software library of any currently supported system.
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Lol, great comparison Kitsu :) The sad thing is that I own both those consoles :(
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You guys are also forgetting that it even looks kinda-sorta similar to the Wondermega and X'eye.
The 3DO was $699 when it originally launched. I bought one on the day of its release. I eventually got rid of it and never missed it. The model in your picture cost $399 I think. 3DO never tried to be the center of home entertainment besides playing audio CDs and Photo CDs. It could NOT play VideoCDs.
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Depending on where you went the Fz-10 could be had for $299.
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You guys are also forgetting that it even looks kinda-sorta similar to the Wondermega and X'eye.
The 3DO was $699 when it originally launched. I bought one on the day of its release. I eventually got rid of it and never missed it. The model in your picture cost $399 I think. 3DO never tried to be the center of home entertainment besides playing audio CDs and Photo CDs. It could NOT play VideoCDs.
It can if you have a mpeg adapter. At least the 3DO has some nice games. It takes too much heat from people who never invested real quality time with it.
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To my knowledge there was never an MPEG adapter, though I do remember one being talked about. I never saw anything in the stores, and I don't think the FZ-1 even had anywhere to hook on external peripherals at all. Kind of made that whole "M2" thing pretty silly. Road Rash and Return Fire were the best games on the system. I didn't feel those two games were worth keeping the system for since I could just get them on the PS. Also, the 3DO was one of the slowest loading systems EVER. Piece of shit.
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Wrongo, Joe. Panasonic did sell mpeg adapters in Japan that attached to the AV expansion port. If memory serves, Goldstar also sold an adapter along with a disc of Total Recall. Anyway you look at it, the adapters were overpriced and sold like poo.
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Yea the Mpeg was out there,but hard to get,and did not work on all models. My understanding is the Goldstar one only works on GoldStar units and the Panasonic one only worked on one of the Fz models,not both. 3DO direct sold the Panasonic one in limited numbers. The Goldstar one I saw alot in game stores,it included Total Recall in a pack in deal similar to the CD-I one that included Black Rain and Dances with Wolves.
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Wow,Necromancer,you and I both jumped on that one fast.
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Also,I always felt the 3DO loaded faster,depending on the game,compared to PS1,esp on the few fighters 3DO got. That and you didn't have to flip early model 3DO decks upside down in order to play the games.
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Yeah I've never really had a problem with my 3DO's loading time, Saturn and Playstation seemed worse for that to me.
That and you didn't have to flip early model 3DO decks upside down in order to play the games.
True. I like how PS2's came with a vertical stand to make it "look" cool when in reality it was there because Sony was afraid it wouldn't work unless you tilted the system over just like the original ;) .
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Actually, the PS1 works like normal for 1.5 years, then the internal sabotage timer goes off and you have to flip it over for another 1.5 years. Then the internal sabotage timer goes off again, and you can take it to the office and use it as a paperweight, or make a really odd bling-bling.
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I guess I'm the only person on the planet that had an FZ-1 3DO, because that model was slooooooow. Loading up Crash and Burn took forever. Road Rash was loooong as well. The Saturn loads really fast on most games. It blows the PS1 away in that regard. The Wii is a really slow loader... anyone play Metroid Prime 3?
The 3DO really showed its weakness when it attempted to run Gex. I was suddenly reminded of Ys 3 on the TurboGrafx in regards to the scrolling. ;) What a weak piece of dogshit. I hope Trip Hawkins gets a severely bad case of diarrhea.
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I never had problems with my psx. I even had it chipped. It works to this day :)
The 3DO really showed its weakness when it attempted to run Gex. I was suddenly reminded of Ys 3 on the TurboGrafx in regards to the scrolling. ;) What a weak piece of dogshit. I hope Trip Hawkins gets a severely bad case of diarrhea.
Gex is actually pretty good. The last boss had some good FX, you should check it out :wink:
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My Playstation still works as well.
I did have Gex. It was much too choppy for me. The Saturn version is much smoother, but I only rented it. I never cared enough about the game to buy it again.
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I guess I'm the only person on the planet that had an FZ-1 3DO, because that model was slooooooow. Loading up Crash and Burn took forever. Road Rash was loooong as well. The Saturn loads really fast on most games. It blows the PS1 away in that regard. The Wii is a really slow loader... anyone play Metroid Prime 3?
The 3DO really showed its weakness when it attempted to run Gex. I was suddenly reminded of Ys 3 on the TurboGrafx in regards to the scrolling. ;) What a weak piece of dogshit. I hope Trip Hawkins gets a severely bad case of diarrhea.
I think Trip has already had a bad case... many years ago. :)
I actually like a bunch of games for the 3DO, but it is much easier to appreciate something when you're not paying full-price. If I had owned the 3DO back in the day, I think I would have been pretty frustrated.
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I actually like a bunch of games for the 3DO, but it is much easier to appreciate something when you're not paying full-price. If I had owned the 3DO back in the day, I think I would have been pretty frustrated.
Agreed, I couldn't see handing over all that cash back in the day :lol:
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I actually like a bunch of games for the 3DO, but it is much easier to appreciate something when you're not paying full-price. If I had owned the 3DO back in the day, I think I would have been pretty frustrated.
Agreed, I couldn't see handing over all that cash back in the day :lol:
I know. It was mind-boggling, since I didn't have a proper job. Oh wait, it would have still been expensive even if I had a proper job!
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Yeah I've never really had a problem with my 3DO's loading time, Saturn and Playstation seemed worse for that to me.
You haven't lived until you have tried to play Last Blade 2 or Real Bout Fatal Fury 2 on a Neo CD
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The KOFs are way worse since they load three times as often. The Neo CD isn't as bad as people make it out to be. And no, I'm being one of these fools standing up for shit like 3DO or Jag when I say this. Seriously, Neo Geo CD isn't that bad. Its a bummer for KOF98 since often more time is spent loading than playing, but for stuff like Metal Slug 2, where the play time between loads is much longer, the Neo CD is a good alternative to expensive AES carts or even Saturn conversions. Of course MVS is the best choice, but most people just won't do that for some reason.
Honestly though, the thing with load times is that we get more and more used to them. Its amazing to think that people ever complained about load times on PC Engine, the vast majority of which are less than 5 seconds.
As time goes on people will seem to tolerate more and more. Test Drive Le Mans on PS2 loads just as long as any Neo CD title, where as the DC version only takes about half as long. Certain XBox games load like a mofo as well.
What I like is that most 1st party Nintendo games for GC, and what I've seen of Wii, have very little load times. I've never played Metroid Prime 3, but Wii Sports and Warioware basically don't have any load time. GC stuff like Mario Kart Double Dash, etc also has no load time, and I have to think that this is a conscious decision. I wish other developers/publishers would consider it.
What pisses me off is to see load times in PS2 conversions of 2D fighters like Neo Geo Battle Colosseum or Fist of the North Star since the same sorts of fighters from the same companies had zero load time on DC, and often even on the Saturn.
MSHvsSF on Saturn=zero load time. Fist of the North Star on PS2=I've forgotten which character I picked by the time its loaded.
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Honestly though, the thing with load times is that we get more and more used to them. Its amazing to think that people ever complained about load times on PC Engine, the vast majority of which are less than 5 seconds.
I couldn't agree more. The Turbo seems like it loads super fast since the PS1 and PS2 were the most popular consoles of their generations, and they loaded slower than glaciers on may occasions. Of course Gate of Thunder's load times have always amazed me, especially when it was brand new.
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NeoCD would have rocked, if they would have just cut the redbook audio. Seriously, the Neo·Geo's soundchip is AMAZING, and they would have had enough room to keep all the animation frames if they had just cut the redbook.
I'm not saying I don't ENJOY the Redbook, I'm just saying that if they had cut it and kept the arcade experience, we might see SNK instead of Sony.
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NeoCD would have rocked, if they would have just cut the redbook audio. Seriously, the Neo·Geo's soundchip is AMAZING, and they would have had enough room to keep all the animation frames if they had just cut the redbook.
Most Neo CD games do have all the animation. The only ones that are cut, at least from what I recall, were the older pre-CD games that were all converted to CD in a mad rush post-facto. KOF98 is, from what I could tell, just about perfect plus load times.
If you are thinking maybe that the room on the CD couldn't contain all of both the redbook music, and the graphical data. This is not the case. The actual game data (not CD audio) is well under 100MB on almost any Neo CD game leaving the rest of the CD useless for anything but redbook. The reason animation in any 2D game on CD is cut is because of the RAM shortcomings of the system. This is one of the reasons why the PS1 has such an incredibly shitty port of KOF98, where as the Neo CD one is perfect (plus hella load) even though they both use the same sized media: The Neo CD has way more memory than a PS1
Either way having redbook music if anything would have saved memory (thus making more animation possible) since with the music coming from the CD, no memory is needed for the sample-heavy tunage they were using at the time.
I'm not saying I don't ENJOY the Redbook, I'm just saying that if they had cut it and kept the arcade experience, we might see SNK instead of Sony.
Um...no.
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Ps1 models up to Model number 5xxx tended to last no more then 6 months to a year if you played games often. My first 1xxx died after 2 months. This was back when the laser was placed close to the power supply area. Heat kills. They fixed the issue with the 7xxx on up. I owned a FZ1. I never had any complaints about the load times,and I only like the PC and 3DO ports of Need for Speed and Road Rash,along with Total Eclipse and Off World Interceptor and the Wing Commanders. I also liked Super SF 2 Turbo/X and Sam Sho 1 on 3DO more then on PS1.
I still feel like that Sam Shodown 1/2 port on PS1 is = to dog shit. And games like ShockWave 2 blew me away on that system. There are some really nice import titles on it too. The 3DO was just different. You either liked it alot or hated it. I still think its amazing it was the first system to have all the video jacks including S-Video,while both the Saturn and Ps1 on up still skimp on this to this very day.
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Having all of the video jacks was pretty nice. Made it much more difficult to get anything better than s-video out of it, though. Road Rash was indeed best on the 3DO. Need for Speed... not so much. The PS1 and Saturn versions took a very small bump in texture resolution on their versions, but they moved so much better and they had a whole bunch of other tracks that were worth playing as well. The PS1 added extra texture warping to its version and some nice, dirty grain as well! Those two extra touches are what made PS1 games the favorite of the world.
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LOL when all the other consoles are in the locker room comparing Z-Buffer sizes, PS1 gets called a queer and gets beaten up.
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So true,PS1 had a horrible time of it. Joe,I thought both the PS1 and Sat version of NFS sucked hard core. They were missing the ass hole racer guy,the new tracks were loop tracks that were boring,the new race music was gay,and yea the visuals went down hill.