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Title: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 06, 2007, 10:01:56 PM
Tough call here.

Naxat brought us titles such as Coryoon, Psychosis, the Crush pinball series, W-Ring: The Double Rings, and the elusive Motteke Tamago.

IREM's library boasts such classics as R-Type, Mr. Heli, Ninja Spirit, and the infamous Vigilante.

This is a tough matchup because, in my opinion, both developers were very strong on the platform and each had an almost equal number of great games. In my eye, Naxat games always seemed to have a more "polished" feel to them. Apparently Naxat employed some very talented graphic programmers. On the other hand, IREM games all had subliminally similar qualities to each other, both graphically and musically. For me, there is something almost magical about the feel of an IREM game that just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside. Despite a virtual KO by Naxat in the technical superiority department, IREM wins the round on playability and fun factor alone. Not to mention there is something peculiarly charming about the light "tinkly" sound that all of IREM's library seems to share. Even Vigilante, despite being not too exciting to look at and overly easy, is still a shitload of fun to play. Don't get me wrong, Naxat titles such as the aforementioned Crush series and Psychosis are some of my favorite Turbo games to pop in on a rainy day. But nothing beats a Sunday afternoon run through Ninja Spirit.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Turbo D on October 06, 2007, 10:07:02 PM
Man this is a tough one dude  :-k Irem made some of the most bad-ass games, but so did Naxat. I guess I'll have to go with Irem since I play games by them more.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ceti alpha on October 07, 2007, 02:11:21 AM
Yeah, this is a really tough call. I know what you mean Nat about the "warm and fuzzy" feeling you get from IREM games. The light and tinkly sound on IREM games is great.  :) But then you have games like Nexzr and Psychosis. However, I'll have to go with IREM regardless at the moment. It probably just depends on my mood at the time, but Ninja Spirit and R-Type are arcade classics done to almost perfection for the TurboGrafx.  8)
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ccovell on October 07, 2007, 04:06:15 AM
The question is flawed.  IREM is a developer.  Naxat is a publisher.  Naxat published games for several smaller developers like Compile.  IREM also didn't port R-Type, Hudson did.

But as far as better releases go, Naxat had more and better games overall.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ceti alpha on October 07, 2007, 05:09:39 AM
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The question is flawed.  IREM is a developer.  Naxat is a publisher.  Naxat published games for several smaller developers like Compile.  IREM also didn't port R-Type, Hudson did.

But as far as better releases go, Naxat had more and better games overall.

Hmmm...OK that is interesting. Well, that changes things a little. I think I'm going to have to say Naxat since I actually haven't voted yet.  :)
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Michael Helgeson on October 07, 2007, 06:20:25 AM
I am going to stick with Irem,as far as the company itself goes,if it was not for Irem,Hudson would not have had any R-Type to port to begin with.

You can add that with other nice titles like Ninja Spirit and Vigilante and their other arcade ports.

I liked the stuff Naxat Soft placed on the table for sure,but I know I could never live without the Irem titles. Back in the day thats what compelled me to get a TG16. Those and Bloody Wolf that is.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rolins on October 07, 2007, 06:53:53 AM
I love Irem's Image Fight and Ninja Spirit, but Nexzr is just too good. Naxat Soft for the win.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 07, 2007, 07:38:37 AM
The question is flawed.  IREM is a developer.  Naxat is a publisher.  Naxat published games for several smaller developers like Compile.

Well excuse me. But come on, you know what I mean.

IREM also didn't port R-Type, Hudson did.

My copy of R-Type Complete CD makes no mention of Hudson anywhere in the game, in the manual, or on the case. "(C) 1991 IREM" is the only mention of a developer you'll find.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ccovell on October 07, 2007, 01:30:10 PM
My copy of R-Type Complete CD makes no mention of Hudson anywhere in the game, in the manual, or on the case. "(C) 1991 IREM" is the only mention of a developer you'll find.

You're switching games mid-way through the discussion, and you know it.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on October 07, 2007, 02:10:09 PM
It looks like R-Type Complete might've been put out by Irem, even though its a rehash of Hudson's port.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 07, 2007, 03:04:50 PM
My copy of R-Type Complete CD makes no mention of Hudson anywhere in the game, in the manual, or on the case. "(C) 1991 IREM" is the only mention of a developer you'll find.

You're switching games mid-way through the discussion, and you know it.

And you're being excessively anally retentive.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nodtveidt on October 07, 2007, 03:14:08 PM
My vote is with IREM.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Keranu on October 07, 2007, 03:20:52 PM
I was expecting this thread to be more about which company helped the system more but it looks like it's more about our own preference. In terms of which helped sales more and such, I think Irem did since R-Type can be considered as a system seller back then and Ninja Spirit was a really good follow up. In terms of which I prefer, I initially wanted to say Naxat Soft right away, but I'm not so sure and I do agree with Nat a lot about Irem's warm fuzzy feeling.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Kitsunexus on October 07, 2007, 03:23:20 PM
Since we really aren't talking about the TG-16 here (seriously, IREM was better in arcades), I will go with Naxat Soft.

They gave us Jaki Crush and Twisted Tales Of Spike McFang.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: TR0N on October 07, 2007, 03:50:39 PM
I love Irem's Image Fight and Ninja Spirit, but Nexzr is just too good. Naxat Soft for the win.
Agreed beside naxat soft gave me coryoon and nexzer.

Far as irem go's i just enjoyed them for,R-type,Ninja Spirit and Image Fight 1&2.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: runinruder on October 07, 2007, 04:10:38 PM
Naxat had its name on a lot of good games: the Crushes, Psychosis, Spriggan, Nexzr, Kaze Kiri, Faussete Amour, Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari (River City Ransom), Mahjong Sword, etc.  The only Irem entry I care much for at this point is Ninja Spirit. 
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: cho_aniki on October 07, 2007, 04:21:52 PM

 I really like both Naxat and Irem games, however Photograph Boy tips the scale in favour of Irem for me, as it is one of the five games I most enjoy on
 the Pc-engine. 
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Kitsunexus on October 07, 2007, 04:23:39 PM
Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari (River City Ransom)

Wasn't Naxat just the publisher on that? I know Technos made the NES version, did Naxat handle the TG-16 port?
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: runinruder on October 07, 2007, 04:27:25 PM
Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari (River City Ransom)

Wasn't Naxat just the publisher on that? I know Technos made the NES version, did Naxat handle the TG-16 port?

I thought it was established we were just going by releases.  I don't know what the hell Naxat "developed" on their own, I just noted some releases with their name on it.  I assume that was Nat's original intention with the poll since he cited the Crushes in the first post and everyone seems to say these days that Compile developed those.     
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Kitsunexus on October 07, 2007, 04:29:03 PM
Well shit dude, I see your point but you don't have to jump on me for it!  :roll:
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Keranu on October 07, 2007, 06:15:44 PM
Yeah I agree and think that all Naxat games, developed or published, should be counted (same with Irem).
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 07, 2007, 06:48:40 PM
Yeah I agree and think that all Naxat games, developed or published, should be counted (same with Irem).

Absolutely.

This poll is supposed to be a fun comparison of games from two different sources, not a forum for arguing semantics of the term "developer."

Runinruder hit the nail on the head with his last comment:

I thought it was established we were just going by releases.  I don't know what the hell Naxat "developed" on their own, I just noted some releases with their name on it. 

Also...

I really like both Naxat and Irem games, however Photograph Boy tips the scale in favour of Irem for me, as it is one of the five games I most enjoy on
 the Pc-engine. 

I never noticed IREM's name on Photograph Boy. I had no idea!

I was expecting this thread to be more about which company helped the system more but it looks like it's more about our own preference.

It can be either, or both. It's all opinion! Although my initial question was intended more to hear everyone's personal preference.

In terms of which I prefer, I initially wanted to say Naxat Soft right away, but I'm not so sure and I do agree with Nat a lot about Irem's warm fuzzy feeling.

I can often times tell an IREM game right off the bat my first time playing it, even if I ignore the title screen. I remember the first time I played Legend of Hero Tonma, no more than 30 seconds into it I realized it had to be IREM.

I thought this was a good matchup because it's so easy to go either way with it. For me, at least.

The only Irem entry I care much for at this point is Ninja Spirit. 

You're a shooter fan, like me. Have you done Mr. Heli yet?
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ccovell on October 07, 2007, 06:52:48 PM
Have you done Mr. Heli yet?

No: DO YOU PLAY MR. HELI?             :D :D :D
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Michael Helgeson on October 07, 2007, 07:25:43 PM
Since we really aren't talking about the TG-16 here (seriously, IREM was better in arcades), I will go with Naxat Soft.

They gave us Jaki Crush and Twisted Tales Of Spike McFang.




I thought it was established we were just going by releases.  I don't know what the hell Naxat "developed" on their own, I just noted some releases with their name on it.  I assume that was Nat's original intention with the poll since he cited the Crushes in the first post and everyone seems to say these days that Compile developed those.     


Yeah I agree and think that all Naxat games, developed or published, should be counted (same with Irem).


If we judge by all these rules then pretty much,and can count titles across all platforms,then I will add these 2 links for your reading pleasure,and to maintain that Irem stays on top.

http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/irem/irem.htm

http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/rtype/rtype.htm
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Keranu on October 07, 2007, 08:22:33 PM
I can often times tell an IREM game right off the bat my first time playing it, even if I ignore the title screen. I remember the first time I played Legend of Hero Tonma, no more than 30 seconds into it I realized it had to be IREM.
Yeah IREM games are extremely identifiable, at least to me as well. Especially their TG16/PCE games! I think it's really the sound quality that does it, but there is a graphic distinction as well.

Mr. Heli rocks!
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Kitsunexus on October 07, 2007, 08:24:16 PM
OOOOOOH it's EVEN!
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on October 07, 2007, 09:37:34 PM
Naxat brought alot to the table publishing wise........so
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Kitsunexus on October 07, 2007, 09:41:22 PM
IN YOUR FACE, IREM!

(http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/8/88/Boom_headshot.jpg/162px-Boom_headshot.jpg)
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: runinruder on October 08, 2007, 01:45:20 AM
You're a shooter fan, like me. Have you done Mr. Heli yet?

Not yet.  I still need to play Image Fight, too.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Necromancer on October 08, 2007, 08:48:34 AM
This one is indeed a toughy.  My vote's for Naxat, since I've wasted more time playing Alien Crush and Devil's Crush than anything in Irem's library (though Ninja Spirit is close).
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: _joshuaTurbo on October 08, 2007, 11:44:52 AM
Yeah I know everyone is in a bad mood cause the Packers lost last night....  I understand....... me too.....


My vote was for IREM-  Ninja Spirit is amazing!
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rag-time4 on October 08, 2007, 12:08:26 PM
Both developers are great. Are they the two greatest 3rd party developers for PC-Engine? Maybe Falcom has to get throw into the mix, but Irem vs Naxat is a clash of titans.

I think that R-type, particularly the original, gives the nod to Irem.

Of course, I totally love Image Fight so maybe I'm biased, but really I think R-Type is a signature release on the platform that really showed off the power of the PC-Engine soon after its initial release.

No mudlinging intended though... Naxat gave the system a lot of great games as well, with the pinball crash/crush games being perhaps the most signature.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on October 08, 2007, 12:49:43 PM
The following lists are from pcecp.com


Games with Naxat's name on them-

      1943 Kai 
      Alien Crush
      Alzadick - Summer Carnival '92 
      Break In 
      Bubblegum Crash 
      Burning Angel 
      Chikudenya Toubee 
      Coryoon 
      Devil Crash/Devil's Crush
      Digital Champ 
      Double Dragon II: The Revenge 
      Double Ring 
      Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari 
      Downtown Nekketsu Soreyuke Daiundoukai 
      Eternal City Toshi Tenso Keikaku 
      Faussete Amour 
      Hot Blood High School Dodgeball 
      Hot Blood High School Soccer 
      Hot Blood High School Soccer 
      Kaze Kiri 
      Mahjong Clinic Special 
      Mahjong Lemon Angel 
      Mahjong Sword Princess Quest Gaiden 
      Makai Prince Dorabo-chan
      Motteke Tamago
      Naxat Open 
      Naxat Stadium 
      Nexzr 
      Nishimura Kyotaro Myst.: Hokutosei No On... 
      Paranoia/Psychosis 
      Pastel Lime 
      Psycho Chaser 
      Quiz De Gakuensai 
      Sankokushi Eiketsu Tenka Ni Nozomu 
      Seirei Senshi Spriggan 
      Spriggan Mark 2: Re Terraform Project 
      Star Mobile 
      Summer Carnival '93 - Nexzr Special 
      Super Real Mahjong P II & III Custom 
      Super Real Mahjong P IV Custom 
      Super Real Mahjong P V Custom 
      Super Real Mahjong Special 
      Titan 
      Tsuppari Ozuma Heiseiban 
      Wizardry I & II 
      Wizardry III & IV 
      Wizardry V - Heart of The Maelstrom 
      Yamamura Misa Suspense: Kinsen Ka Kyo E ... 
      Yami No Ketsuzoku Harukanaru Kioku 
      Yokoyama Kouki Shin Sankokushi 
      Zero Wing 



Games with Irem's name on them-

      Eiyuu Sankokushi 
      Image Fight 
      Image Fight II 
      Legend Of Hero Tonma 
      Photograph Boy 
      R-Type HuCards
      R-TYPE Complete CD 
      Sol: Moonarge 
      Mister Heli No Dai Bouken 
      Ninja Spirit 
      Racing Spirits 
      Vigilante 


I don't think its a fair comparison, when going by any game each company is associated with. Naxat has more good games plus a bunch more in general quantity.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 08, 2007, 01:06:19 PM

I don't think its a fair comparison,

Sure it is, we're talking quality not quantity.

But even if it were a battle weighted by numbers, half the shit on Naxat's list is garbage. I mean, Super Real Mahjongg times 865? Maybe if you're Super Bored.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Keranu on October 08, 2007, 03:01:44 PM

I don't think its a fair comparison,

Sure it is, we're talking quality not quantity.

But even if it were a battle weighted by numbers, half the shit on Naxat's list is garbage. I mean, Super Real Mahjongg times 865? Maybe if you're Super Bored.
Yeah and by comparison of looking at both lists, IREM looks to have nearly all solid games since there aren't as much. I still haven't voted yet, it's so hard!
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Michael Helgeson on October 08, 2007, 04:05:58 PM
Plus I thought we agreed to consider games on all plat forms. This means In the Hunt,the Gunforce titles,all the R-Types,ect...
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 08, 2007, 05:03:58 PM
Plus I thought we agreed to consider games on all plat forms. This means In the Hunt,the Gunforce titles,all the R-Types,ect...

Actually, I only had the Turbo (PCE, whatever) in mind with my initial poll. Someone (Keranu?) later on suggested we include all platforms.

Still-- IREM FTW!
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Kitsunexus on October 08, 2007, 05:12:40 PM
Plus I thought we agreed to consider games on all plat forms. This means In the Hunt,the Gunforce titles,all the R-Types,ect...

Actually, I only had the Turbo (PCE, whatevever) in mind with my initial poll. Someone (Keranu?) later on suggested we include all platforms.

Still-- IREM FTW!

Why do you and Ceti ALWAYS get me mixed up with Keranu! It's kind of flattering, because Keranu's cool, but seriously, there is a BIG difference in the spelling,. Like most of the letters. >____<
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 08, 2007, 05:16:47 PM
Plus I thought we agreed to consider games on all plat forms. This means In the Hunt,the Gunforce titles,all the R-Types,ect...

Actually, I only had the Turbo (PCE, whatevever) in mind with my initial poll. Someone (Keranu?) later on suggested we include all platforms.

Still-- IREM FTW!

Why do you and Ceti ALWAYS get me mixed up with Keranu! It's kind of flattering, because Keranu's cool, but seriously, there is a BIG difference in the spelling,. Like most of the letters. >____<

I can't speak for Ceti alpha, but I personally have the attention span of a crack addict.

Seriously though, I am extremely bad with names, especially in person. You can introduce yourself to me a million times and I will still forget your name. If we ever happen to meet and you notice I'm calling you "dude" and "man" a lot feel free to tell me your name again.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Keranu on October 08, 2007, 05:44:05 PM
Why do you and Ceti ALWAYS get me mixed up with Keranu! It's kind of flattering, because Keranu's cool, but seriously, there is a BIG difference in the spelling,. Like most of the letters. >____<
I think it's because we post a lot and our names both start with a K.

Quote from: nat
Seriously though, I am extremely bad with names, especially in person. You can introduce yourself to me a million times and I will still forget your name. If we ever happen to meet and you notice I'm calling you "dude" and "man" a lot feel free to tell me your name again.
Same here. I'm fantastic with faces (I have a really good ability of identifying actors from films), but really bad with names.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ceti alpha on October 08, 2007, 06:19:29 PM
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Why do you and Ceti ALWAYS get me mixed up with Keranu!

Haha!!  Sorry man.  #-o I thought it only happened once and I probably had a couple beers or maybe even a joint.  :-" I promise not to make it a habit.  :) Like Nat I'm really terrible with names in person. It's actually something I'm seriously working on getting better at right now. After being introduced I always repeat the name out loud to him/her, or if I still forget I just come right out and say that I've forgotten their name, apologize and ask again. Most people understand as it's a common problem. However, I'll remember a face forever. Just one of those things.

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I can't speak for Ceti alpha, but I personally have the attention span of a crack addict.

Haha.......uh....what were we talking about?  :?

Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rag-time4 on October 08, 2007, 07:43:14 PM
The following lists are from pcecp.com


Games with Naxat's name on them-

      1943 Kai 
      Alien Crush
      Alzadick - Summer Carnival '92 
      Break In 
      Bubblegum Crash 
      Burning Angel 
      Chikudenya Toubee 
      Coryoon 
      Devil Crash/Devil's Crush
      Digital Champ 
      Double Dragon II: The Revenge 
      Double Ring 
      Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari 
      Downtown Nekketsu Soreyuke Daiundoukai 
      Eternal City Toshi Tenso Keikaku 
      Faussete Amour 
      Hot Blood High School Dodgeball 
      Hot Blood High School Soccer 
      Hot Blood High School Soccer 
      Kaze Kiri 
      Mahjong Clinic Special 
      Mahjong Lemon Angel 
      Mahjong Sword Princess Quest Gaiden 
      Makai Prince Dorabo-chan
      Motteke Tamago
      Naxat Open 
      Naxat Stadium 
      Nexzr 
      Nishimura Kyotaro Myst.: Hokutosei No On... 
      Paranoia/Psychosis 
      Pastel Lime 
      Psycho Chaser 
      Quiz De Gakuensai 
      Sankokushi Eiketsu Tenka Ni Nozomu 
      Seirei Senshi Spriggan 
      Spriggan Mark 2: Re Terraform Project 
      Star Mobile 
      Summer Carnival '93 - Nexzr Special 
      Super Real Mahjong P II & III Custom 
      Super Real Mahjong P IV Custom 
      Super Real Mahjong P V Custom 
      Super Real Mahjong Special 
      Titan 
      Tsuppari Ozuma Heiseiban 
      Wizardry I & II 
      Wizardry III & IV 
      Wizardry V - Heart of The Maelstrom 
      Yamamura Misa Suspense: Kinsen Ka Kyo E ... 
      Yami No Ketsuzoku Harukanaru Kioku 
      Yokoyama Kouki Shin Sankokushi 
      Zero Wing 



Games with Irem's name on them-

      Eiyuu Sankokushi 
      Image Fight 
      Image Fight II 
      Legend Of Hero Tonma 
      Photograph Boy 
      R-Type HuCards
      R-TYPE Complete CD 
      Sol: Moonarge 
      Mister Heli No Dai Bouken 
      Ninja Spirit 
      Racing Spirits 
      Vigilante 


I don't think its a fair comparison, when going by any game each company is associated with. Naxat has more good games plus a bunch more in general quantity.

Tiger, you reveal your pernicious agenda by spelling out all the Naxat Mahjong games while lumping all the R-Type HuCards together!!

 :x
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rolins on October 08, 2007, 11:22:12 PM
The following lists are from pcecp.com
...
I don't think its a fair comparison, when going by any game each company is associated with. Naxat has more good games plus a bunch more in general quantity.
I didn't realize Naxat published that many games. More than half of those game I've never played before, nor do I even care to play in the near future. From Naxat and Irem these are the only games I wouldn't mind playing all day.

Naxat:                      vs           Irem:
Double Dragon II                       Image Fight
Nexzr                                      Ninja Spirit
Seirei Senshi Spriggan
Devil Crash



Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: spenoza on October 09, 2007, 04:07:37 AM
I really am most fond of Naxat Soft. Irem's stuff is good, quality gaming, but Naxat really put out some creative and weird titles.

Does anyone know the actual developers behind many of those Naxat titles? Someone declared Compile might be linked to the Crush/Crash games, but is there a solid source we can go to?
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rolins on October 09, 2007, 04:56:14 AM
I really am most fond of Naxat Soft. Irem's stuff is good, quality gaming, but Naxat really put out some creative and weird titles.

Does anyone know the actual developers behind many of those Naxat titles?

Nexzr (I think) was developed by Kaneko. They also had a hand in developing of Star Parodier, Aero Blasters, and Super Star Soldier (none these are published by Naxat btw). I'm not sure if they did the Heavy Unit port but that's one their own arcade games, so maybe.

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Someone declared Compile might be linked to the Crush/Crash games, but is there a solid source we can go to?

When Compile's homepage used to be around they had near-complete list of games made by them. I clearly remember the Crush games for pc-engine and snes being on that list. Best source that I know, since I've never seen the ending credits of any those games. Check out the wikipedia, I think several people salvaged the list there or whats left of it. It's cool there's more Compile fans appearing here and there, wasn't like that 2 years ago. Wonder why?
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Necromancer on October 09, 2007, 05:18:51 AM
It's cool there's more Compile fans appearing here and there, wasn't like that 2 years ago. Wonder why?

Because retro gaming is cool now.  In a couple of years the sheeple will have found something else to follow, but it's nice to have 'em on board in the meantime.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on October 09, 2007, 07:20:18 PM
I really am most fond of Naxat Soft. Irem's stuff is good, quality gaming, but Naxat really put out some creative and weird titles.

Does anyone know the actual developers behind many of those Naxat titles?

Nexzr (I think) was developed by Kaneko. They also had a hand in developing of Star Parodier, Aero Blasters, and Super Star Soldier (none these are published by Naxat btw). I'm not sure if they did the Heavy Unit port but that's one their own arcade games, so maybe.

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Someone declared Compile might be linked to the Crush/Crash games, but is there a solid source we can go to?

When Compile's homepage used to be around they had near-complete list of games made by them. I clearly remember the Crush games for pc-engine and snes being on that list. Best source that I know, since I've never seen the ending credits of any those games. Check out the wikipedia, I think several people salvaged the list there or whats left of it. It's cool there's more Compile fans appearing here and there, wasn't like that 2 years ago. Wonder why?

In an old EGM, it claimed that some/all of the team responsible for Aeroblasters, also did Gate of Thunder.  Taito did the Heavy Unit ports, I think both for Turbo & Genesis....well, alteast for Turbo I know.  And that port is TERRIBLE!  The Genesis version(you won't hear me say this often) blows it out of the water!
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Kitsunexus on October 10, 2007, 06:55:18 AM
Seriously though, I am extremely bad with names, especially in person. You can introduce yourself to me a million times and I will still forget your name. If we ever happen to meet and you notice I'm calling you "dude" and "man" a lot feel free to tell me your name again.

It's OK. I'm bad with names and faces and numbers (I think I have number dyslexia. o_0)
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on October 10, 2007, 07:30:18 AM
I don't think its a fair comparison, when going by any game each company is associated with. Naxat has more good games plus a bunch more in general quantity.

Tiger, you reveal your pernicious agenda by spelling out all the Naxat Mahjong games while lumping all the R-Type HuCards together!!

 :x

Its called copy & pasting. But those Mahjong games are all real actual different games. The R-Type HuCards are all the same, the PCE versions are just two halves of the NA version. You neglected to point out how I lumped Paranoia and Psychosis together, even though that game under went some real changes.

You're talking as though you'd compare Square Soft against Irem by lumping Final Fantasy 1 - 3 as the same game but counting R-Type HuCards as 3 seperate games.

All you've done is proclaimed your lack of objectivity. :wink:



I don't think its a fair comparison,

Sure it is, we're talking quality not quantity.

But even if it were a battle weighted by numbers, half the shit on Naxat's list is garbage. I mean, Super Real Mahjongg times 865? Maybe if you're Super Bored.

You just happened to leave out of my quote the part I said about how Naxat had more good games. Which was obviously meant to discount all the games from both companies that most people around here don't care about(like Mahjong).

Most of Nintendo's catalog is garbage, but nobody discounts the company as "who wants to play Mario's Missing?"

If you cut out the fat, these are the games that most people here would consider playing-


      NAXAT                                                 IREM

      1943 Kai                                                Image Fight
      Alien Crush                                             Image Fight II
      Alzadick - Summer Carnival '92                   Legend Of Hero Tonma
      Burning Angel                                          Photograph Boy
      Coryoon                                                 R-Type HuCards
      Devil Crash/Devil's Crush                           R-TYPE Complete CD
      Double Dragon II: The Revenge                  Sol: Moonarge
      Double Ring                                            Mister Heli No Dai Bouken
      Downtown Nekketsu Monogatari                 Ninja Spirit
      Faussete Amour                                      Vigilante
      Kaze Kiri   
      Makai Prince Dorabo-chan
      Motteke Tamago 
      Nexzr
      Paranoia/Psychosis 
      Seirei Senshi Spriggan 
      Spriggan Mark 2: Re Terraform Project   
      Summer Carnival '93 - Nexzr Special
      Zero Wing


R-Type CD is basically the same game as the HuCards. Gameplay and fun-wise, its identical to the TG-16 version, only most people prefer the chip tunes.

On Irem's list, only R-Type and Ninja Spirit are generally considered real PCE classics. Around the same level("classic-wise"), Naxat has Spriggin, Alien Crush, Devil's Crush, 1943, Coryoon and Nexr.

A lot of people would consider Kaze Kiri to be a big PCE classic and one of the best games on the system. I don't think its so great, but thats just my opinion.

Aside from the number of big games, Naxat can match all of Irem titles in terms of generally percieved quality and fun with titles from its own list. But there would still be about as many remaining good Naxat games as Irem put out altogether.

Sure you could pick out a company that only ever put out one or two games and say that it outclasses a larger publisher's large catalog of great games because those two games are such uber classics.

But thats like saying that Konami beats Hudson in a PC Engine matchup.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rag-time4 on October 10, 2007, 10:56:33 AM

Its called copy & pasting. But those Mahjong games are all real actual different games. The R-Type HuCards are all the same, the PCE versions are just two halves of the NA version. You neglected to point out how I lumped Paranoia and Psychosis together, even though that game under went some real changes.

You're talking as though you'd compare Square Soft against Irem by lumping Final Fantasy 1 - 3 as the same game but counting R-Type HuCards as 3 seperate games.

All you've done is proclaimed your lack of objectivity. :wink:

 :lol:

What, did my avatar give it away?
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 10, 2007, 11:14:28 AM

..... <insert long message here detailing Naxat's superiority> .....


Bottom line is that this is a matchup, and people's votes are opinions.

I'm personally of the opinion that IREM's strong games are better than Naxat's. End of story. Apparently 10 other people share my views.

There's no right or wrong answer.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Black Tiger on October 10, 2007, 01:59:05 PM
I think that Irem is better than Naxat, since Irem is a real developer who made their own games, many of which I love. I really like that Irem feel.

But I also think that most people (myself included) didn't realize how many games Naxat was associated with and if a list like the last one I posted had been given initially, there would probably be less votes for Irem.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: nat on October 10, 2007, 02:47:33 PM
I think that Irem is better than Naxat, since Irem is a real developer who made their own games, many of which I love. I really like that Irem feel.

But I also think that most people (myself included) didn't realize how many games Naxat was associated with and if a list like the last one I posted had been given initially, there would probably be less votes for Irem.

I was aware of the quantity difference but that doesn't really change my feelings. There are some Naxat titles I haven't played, like Kaze Kiri and the 422 Super Duper More Real Than Real Life Itself Mahjongg games. But I've played most of the good ones.

IMO, if we were talking "technical" superiority, Naxat would win hands down. IREM's games may not all look or sound as nice, but the gameplay and that "IREM charm" elevate them above and beyond.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Michael Helgeson on October 10, 2007, 03:11:48 PM
I share the view that Irem made all their own games and Naxat didn't,which keeps Irem on top for me.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rag-time4 on October 13, 2007, 08:36:25 PM
   
Games with Irem's name on them-

      Eiyuu Sankokushi 
   

Does anyone know anything about this game? I can't seem to find one for sale on ebay. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen one...
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: Keranu on October 14, 2007, 10:57:41 AM
   
Games with Irem's name on them-

      Eiyuu Sankokushi 
   

Does anyone know anything about this game? I can't seem to find one for sale on ebay. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen one...
I haven't played it or even remembered the title, but after looking it up in the offline PCE CD catalogue, it looks to be like some kind of Japanese strategy game with a heavy language barrier.
Title: Re: Third-Party Developer Matchup!!!
Post by: rag-time4 on October 15, 2007, 10:20:59 AM
   
Games with Irem's name on them-

      Eiyuu Sankokushi 
   

Does anyone know anything about this game? I can't seem to find one for sale on ebay. In fact, I don't think I've ever seen one...
I haven't played it or even remembered the title, but after looking it up in the offline PCE CD catalogue, it looks to be like some kind of Japanese strategy game with a heavy language barrier.

Keranu, thanks for the info! I'll have to investigate further. Makes sense that it's a strategy game... not too many sellers on ebay offer a good selection of strategy games.