How much of the game do you think GamePro played in order to write their review? 0%? Less than 0%? Or did they just adapt NEC's press kit into a formal review? I have always hated GamePro since I was older than the 6-10 year-old market it was clearly aimed at.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Turbo D on October 07, 2007, 06:37:39 PM
:-s omfg, I now hate gamepro :x I can't believe that they wrote that shit its all completely wrong.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Keranu on October 07, 2007, 08:19:47 PM
"360 degree scrolling screens with an overhead perspective make for phenomenal 'you are there' role play action." :mrgreen:
I'm having a hard time figuring out if this is a review or an advertisement.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Black Tiger on October 07, 2007, 09:04:44 PM
I like how the femesexual reviewer says that the whole point of the game is exactly the opposite of what it really is. Then it goes on to say how the game "sports standard roleplay interface", just like all that ram-slamming in Phantasy Star, Final Fantasy and Dragon Warrior.
Its also logical to conclude that having two games on the same disc makes the adventuring twice as intense. Like if Sim Earth had included Sim City, then the management simulationing would also have been twice as intense.
And although I liked that the earlier GamePro TG-CD reviews included disc size, this genius actually makes a point of saying that the 500+ megs of size is all "gameplay data" instead of CD audio.
The best part is how at the very end its last two words contradict its very first two words, by making it appear that Ys is pronounced "eez".
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Keranu on October 07, 2007, 09:12:47 PM
The best part is how at the very end its last two words contradict its very first two words, by making it appear that Ys is pronounced "eez".
Haha, I got a kick out of that too.
When he says there is 20 minutes worth of animtaion sequences, I wonder if that's including the character portraits when speaking during the game? Because without those, I could only see about maybe eight minutes or so.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Black Tiger on October 07, 2007, 09:24:06 PM
The best part is how at the very end its last two words contradict its very first two words, by making it appear that Ys is pronounced "eez".
Haha, I got a kick out of that too.
When he says there is 20 minutes worth of animation sequences, I wonder if that's including the character portraits when speaking during the game? Because without those, I could only see about maybe eight minutes or so.
Well, technically, the credits is kinda an animation sequence and the "The End" screen animates forever, so really the game has infinity minutes of animation sequences.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 07, 2007, 09:50:34 PM
My favorite part is when it says "you're pretty much a spectator to the onscreen action" in battles since it supports a standard role-play fighting sequences. Nothing could be further from the truth, and that proves that didn't even turn the game on once. I wonder if they got any letters about that, or if any TG-CD owners even bothered with GamePro. Granted, I own the issue and a TurboCD unit, but I got the issue before I got a Turbo CD!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: TR0N on October 07, 2007, 10:56:28 PM
Now where's that scan of egm with it's Ys 1&2 review.
I remember when they realy hyped the game and gave it a 10.
Wich urge me more back then to get a,TG16+Turbo CD just to play it :oops:
Still if i would rate to it myself i don't think i give it that high of a score.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on October 07, 2007, 11:39:49 PM
My favorite part is when it says "you're pretty much a spectator to the onscreen action" in battles since it supports a standard role-play fighting sequences. Nothing could be further from the truth, and that proves that didn't even turn the game on once. I wonder if they got any letters about that, or if any TG-CD owners even bothered with GamePro. Granted, I own the issue and a TurboCD unit, but I got the issue before I got a Turbo CD!
Same here, I didn't get the Turbo CD until a year or so later.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: runinruder on October 08, 2007, 01:52:21 AM
When he says there is 20 minutes worth of animtaion sequences, I wonder if that's including the character portraits when speaking during the game? Because without those, I could only see about maybe eight minutes or so.
The numbers he used (24 minutes of voice, 14 bosses, 150 items, 43 music tracks, 20 minutes of animation) are ALL listed on the back of the box (and were probably mentioned in a press release as well). Joe's notion of the reviewer playing little or none of the game is probably right on.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: OldTurboBastard on October 08, 2007, 05:40:41 AM
Now where's that scan of egm with it's Ys 1&2 review.
I remember when they realy hyped the game and gave it a 10.
I remember that too. I think Ninja Spirit was given a 10 in the same issue, and at the time you never saw 10's in EGM. I was stoked!! looking back there was probably some bribery invloved in those reviews....although y's is certainly worthy of a 10
This review is pretty bad with all the flat out incorrect statements..did they even play the game???
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Necromancer on October 08, 2007, 06:26:33 AM
Its also logical to conclude that having two games on the same disc makes the adventuring twice as intense. Like if Sim Earth had included Sim City, then the management simulationing would also have been twice as intense.
I too found this quite amusing. Since I have Ys Book I and II, Ys III, and Ys IV, does that mean that the adventuring is four or eight times as intense? Am I supposed to add or multiply? I'm so confused. :-k
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2007, 12:03:27 PM
Here is the EGM review from their 1991 Videogame Buyer's Guide. I don't think it had an actual regular issue review.
Here is the EGM review from their 1991 Videogame Buyer's Guide. I don't think it had an actual regular issue review.
I remember Ys I & II having a regular EGM issue review, my memory may be wrong, but I still remember what it looked like. :P
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2007, 12:46:59 PM
Quote from: rag-time4
Joe, did you notice that the last paragraph of the second review begins by saying that Y's plays like any other RPG
Yeah, both reviews suck. But at least the EGM one is somewhat entertaining to read.
Black___Tiger, I scoured my old issues of EGM and I could not find an Ys review, nor could I find reviews for anything else in this mag. Perhaps this issue substituted for a regular issue that year.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 08, 2007, 12:54:07 PM
I still have the memory of a standard verticle scored review in EGM, but since it was 20 years ago, I may be wrong.
It may have originated in another Buyer's Guide, since the 1992 issue reprinted the scores vertically as they originally appeared.
While checking google for old EGM scans, I came across this review (http://www.imdb.com/user/ur2699280/comments) of Ys I & II on imdb.com.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2007, 01:01:36 PM
Here's the Ninja Spirit review in that same issue:
Perhaps this issue substituted for a regular issue that year.
Pretty sure that was the case for this one. Props on posting the reviews for both games. "Sushi-x" - I remember when he showed up - "Who's this f@ckin' guy???".
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 08, 2007, 03:22:13 PM
While checking google for old EGM scans, I came across this review (http://www.imdb.com/user/ur2699280/comments) of Ys I & II on imdb.com.
Hahahaha, oh boy! :mrgreen: At least you didn't post my old GameFAQs reviews I wrote in middle school... those were just embarassing to the max! :D 8)
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2007, 04:45:26 PM
Due to the many, many posts here in this thread demanding to see more, I am forced to oblige! But since I am going to post 3 whole pages for your viewing pleasure, I am going to post them as clickable links instead of images! That's right, all you have to do is click on the text that looks a bit different from the rest of the text below and a whole new screen will open with a page from EGM! This truly is the future... who needs flying cars? Be careful not to let your browser shrink-to-fit the image or it may be hard to read.
EGM dedicates an ENTIRE PAGE to discuss the TurboGrafx-16 Entertainment Supersystem!! (http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/turboreview.jpg)
EGM also did a similar thing for the TurboExpress Portable Supersystem. (http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/turboexpressreview.jpg) (Love how their specs are almost completely different than the TurboGrafx-16 Entertainment Supersystem specs they gave)
EGM spends their own money to dedicate an ENTIRE PAGE to the SuperGrafx-16 Entertainment Supersystem!!! (http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/supergrafxreview.jpg)
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 08, 2007, 04:46:26 PM
I totally remember these reviews. :lol: I'm almost positive that I bought Ninja Spirit because of that review. However, I wasn't disappointed in the least. It is a sweet game and I would have given it the same scores.
Just amazing though. Thanks for posting those Joe. Memory lane. :)
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2007, 04:50:00 PM
EGM always made sure their information was 100% accurate at all times.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: nat on October 08, 2007, 05:12:30 PM
EGM always made sure their information was 100% accurate at all times.
It's funny you mention that.
Look at the "specs" given for the SuperGrafx system. Maximum resolution 160x146? Maximum colors on screen 128? All this after an article touting the SuperGrafx as NEC's next generation console! The specs they list are inferior to the specs they list for the TurboGrafx! I'm in awe that this misinformation actually made it to publication.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 08, 2007, 05:58:00 PM
HAHAHAHHAA! Thanks so much for those hilarious scans, Joe! That's just too, too, way too funny!
Quote from: nat
Look at the "specs" given for the SuperGrafx system. Maximum resolution 160x146? Maximum colors on screen 128? All this after an article touting the SuperGrafx as NEC's next generation console! The specs they list are inferior to the specs they list for the TurboGrafx! I'm in awe that this misinformation actually made it to publication.
I know! I was thinking the same thing! They're making the newer system look worse! And like Joe said, it's funny how different the Turbo Express specs are than the TurboGrafx-16 Entertainment Supersystem! I think I can understand EGM fooling someone with the Turbo Express specs, but the Super Grafx spec list was just downright stupid!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 08, 2007, 06:05:53 PM
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Look at the "specs" given for the SuperGrafx system. Maximum resolution 160x146? Maximum colors on screen 128?
OMG... That is just ridiculous. I guess these magazines thought that they could lie to their readers because they were "too young" to understand. =; Or it could be just lazy writing. Probably both. [-X
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2007, 06:16:39 PM
EGM checks and rechecks their facts to make sure their information is 100% correct. If published specs for a system you own change from one issue to the next, the innards of your machine actually change to reflect what is published in EGM.
Did anyone notice that the SuperGrafx uses the NES processor? On the SMS page, they listed it having 256 colors with 52 onscreen at once. For the GameBoy, the resolution is listed as 320x224. All pure awesomeness.
OK, now for the numbered reviews of each system... actual ratings! How do you think the mighty SuperGrafx compared to the wimpy NeoGeo? Click here to find out! (http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/systems.jpg)
Quite a large image, so it's just a link.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 08, 2007, 06:23:46 PM
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EGM checks and rechecks their facts to make sure their information is 100% correct. If published specs for a system you own change from one issue to the next, the innards of your machine actually change to reflect what is published in EGM.
hahaha!! Joe, I bet you don't even know when your being sarcastic or not anymore. :lol:
Your use of sarcasm is, as Darth Vader would say, "Most impressive".
I just can't believe that the Supergrafx was able to muster so much out of the NES processor. Simply amazing. That NEC - always pulling rabbits out of their hats. i.e. Johnny Turbo. :P
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ccovell on October 08, 2007, 06:38:20 PM
Ahh, good old EGM. That buyer's guide was one of their best issues. Super Famicom Preview, a couple of 10s for Turbo games in one issue... oh, and massively incorrect tech specs.
But I wouldn't take EGM to task about the CPUs for the TG and NES: they are essentially 6502s. The TG's has several great instructions added in, and the NES' has a few taken away, but they are very code-compatible with your average 6502 program.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: rag-time4 on October 08, 2007, 07:52:57 PM
While checking google for old EGM scans, I came across this review (http://www.imdb.com/user/ur2699280/comments) of Ys I & II on imdb.com.
Hahahaha, oh boy! :mrgreen: At least you didn't post my old GameFAQs reviews I wrote in middle school... those were just embarassing to the max! :D 8)
Would those be your Ys 1, 2, and 4 (I, II, IV) that are still up there? :-"
There are a lot of Turbo games that don't have reviews on Gamefaqs. I've been too lazy to do many. I've only done one.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 08, 2007, 08:03:22 PM
I've only had a couple reviews actually posted on GameFAQs. I've written more, but they were never posted. Even the ones that did go up take awhile to be posted. Why?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: OldTurboBastard on October 09, 2007, 07:25:11 AM
This got me thinking about "Team Game Pro" that was put together around this time - you filled out a survey and sent it in and eventually they printed a list on one the pages of GamePro. I was on it - i had dreams oof packages from gamepro coming in the mail full of games that needed to be reviewed....nothing ever happened of course. Does anyone have the issue? If i recall it was a page full of about 100 names.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 09, 2007, 07:42:18 AM
I love how the SuperGrafx gets good scores even though it only had 3 games and Sushi-X says that developers seem "non commited", but they all trash the SMS for lack of good software and the Gameboy is a "joke" that is soon to be "extinct"
The Turbo CD's $400 price keeps it from boosting the TG-16 scores, but the $400 Turbo Express gets higher scores than the TG-16.
Even the Lynx gets better scores than the SMS. The editors blame the SMS's catalog, but its clear that it never stood a chance in the press.
I'm assuming that the "SFX" would become the Super Famicom. Too bad the Neo Geo can't compete with unreleased consoles. They should've pointed out how poor the Neo Geo holds up to the Playstation 3 as well.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 09, 2007, 10:53:24 AM
While checking google for old EGM scans, I came across this review (http://www.imdb.com/user/ur2699280/comments) of Ys I & II on imdb.com.
Hahahaha, oh boy! :mrgreen: At least you didn't post my old GameFAQs reviews I wrote in middle school... those were just embarassing to the max! :D 8)
Would those be your Ys 1, 2, and 4 (I, II, IV) that are still up there? :-"
Yep!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 09, 2007, 12:21:43 PM
And the Lynx outperforms both the Genesis and TurboGrafx. This was said most likely because it had hardware scaling. Other than that, their games pretty much all looked like complete ass. Blue Lightning was the only one that I enjoyed. Which would you rather have, a Turbo Express or a Lynx?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: handygrafx on October 09, 2007, 01:44:55 PM
EGM always made sure their information was 100% accurate at all times.
It's funny you mention that.
Look at the "specs" given for the SuperGrafx system. Maximum resolution 160x146? Maximum colors on screen 128? All this after an article touting the SuperGrafx as NEC's next generation console! The specs they list are inferior to the specs they list for the TurboGrafx! I'm in awe that this misinformation actually made it to publication.
I remember this. even when I read it in 1990, I knew INSTANTLY it was wrong.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: handygrafx on October 09, 2007, 01:49:07 PM
IIRC, Video Games & Computer Entertainment had a pretty good review of Ys Book 1 & 2. can't find it though.
I remember when Ys III was reviewed in another issue of the same magazine, the reviewer said that he only liked about 1/4 of the music selections.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 09, 2007, 02:05:04 PM
Here's some more interesting stuff. First from that same EGM 1991 Buyer's Guide:
(http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/propaganda.jpg) I actually had one of those cards!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 09, 2007, 02:44:46 PM
I remember that card, what EGM's propaganda doesn't mention is that the card does list cpu speeds. It just also includes MIPs. From what I remember, that card was the most accurate spec comparison I saw back in the day. Certainly much less misleading than the specs tossed around in mags like EGM.
I've never seen any promotional material from NEC/TTI that compares specs against the SFC. I'm guessing that they're only refering to interviews or just making it up altogether.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 09, 2007, 02:58:37 PM
The "Nintendo" comparisons they speak of are comparisons to the NES, not the SFX.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 09, 2007, 03:14:31 PM
I just hate it when people type it like Y's. Why did that ever start? I don't see an apostrophe anywhere - do you guys?! ](*,)
That's like me typing Halo: "Hello".
Many official Y's games spell it that way.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 09, 2007, 04:45:10 PM
The Sega Master System version had the apostrophe. It was also the first version of Ys ever released in the mighty US of A, so that might account for it back in those days in the press.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Cleria on October 09, 2007, 05:15:08 PM
Uhm no?
When did the Master System come out?
*Wikipedia's it*
Damn the press...it looks better w/o the apostrophe though doesn't it?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 10, 2007, 07:53:35 AM
Damn the press...it looks better w/o the apostrophe though doesn't it?
The Sega Master System came out in 1986, but Y's SMS was released in 1988 and had the word Y's all over it. I have the IBM/Apple version, which is the only other Ys game released in the mighty Northern America before the Turbo-CD version.
It came out a year after the SMS game, but they did manage to spell the title (in/)correctly as "Ys".
Check out the game disc of Ys IV PCE to see a very large "Y's".
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 10, 2007, 12:21:40 PM
I definitely prefer it without the apostrophe. I wonder what missing letters its inclusion could possibly represent.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 10, 2007, 01:54:10 PM
I definitely prefer it without the apostrophe. I wonder what missing letters its inclusion could possibly represent.
I always thought of Y as being a name and the title was refer to Y's vanished omens. Plus everyone in my hometowm called it "Why's" until I got the Turbo CD version.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 10, 2007, 01:55:50 PM
Ah, a possessive apostrophe! That Y is just so greedy!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 10, 2007, 04:10:15 PM
I definitely prefer it without the apostrophe. I wonder what missing letters its inclusion could possibly represent.
I always thought of Y as being a name and the title was refer to Y's vanished omens.
HAHAHA, such an awesome deep thought! Wow, I've never even thought about that before, but that could be right.
I think another thing that should be taken into consideration is the old legend of the mythical city of Ys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys). Now I have always heard, from on Ys fan, is that the video game is actually loosely based off the King of Ys (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/a/poul-anderson/king-of-ys.htm) book, but I'm not sold on that idea these days. Granted I don't really know anything about the legend, but I don't really see much of a connection. Perhaps the name itself inspired the video game.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Cleria on October 10, 2007, 06:02:11 PM
I definitely prefer it without the apostrophe. I wonder what missing letters its inclusion could possibly represent.
I always thought of Y as being a name and the title was refer to Y's vanished omens.
HAHAHA, such an awesome deep thought! Wow, I've never even thought about that before, but that could be right.
I think another thing that should be taken into consideration is the old legend of the mythical city of Ys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys). Now I have always heard, from on Ys fan, is that the video game is actually loosely based off the King of Ys (http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/a/poul-anderson/king-of-ys.htm) book, but I'm not sold on that idea these days. Granted I don't really know anything about the legend, but I don't really see much of a connection. Perhaps the name itself inspired the video game.
I just checked out some links on the books of Ys and it doesn't look like they'd have a connection at all. There's a mythical article about something named Ys here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys).
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 10, 2007, 06:54:11 PM
Yeah I linked to that article in my post. Still doesn't sound like the game, so if anyone has any proof regarding this, please post! I seem to recall reading a link somewhere gave info about the King of Ys books and I recalled some slight similarities, I think either a "red head" or possibly even a "floating island", but my memory is very hazy!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Cleria on October 11, 2007, 01:06:59 AM
Lol the way you described that was funny..."Hiya I'ma red head on a floatin' island and ma king is like this dude. Wassup y'all?"
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Turbo D on October 11, 2007, 07:39:15 AM
I think that the apostrophe sucks and should go away :P
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Cleria on October 11, 2007, 12:30:45 PM
I just received my GST paycheck - I'm going to go see if I can find one of those novels and see what they're like.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 11, 2007, 01:48:27 PM
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I just received my GST paycheck
Cool, another Canadian. :)
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Cleria on October 11, 2007, 01:52:17 PM
Yeah...thas me...eh?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 11, 2007, 02:01:16 PM
Do all Canadians get a special paycheck from this so-called "GST"?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Cleria on October 11, 2007, 02:10:59 PM
No idea. Why?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Gentlegamer on October 11, 2007, 02:37:36 PM
I was about to quip that perhaps GST is Canadian welfare ( :-" ), then I Googled and saw that it is a Goods and Services Tax, and a GST check is a refund on this tax (I think).
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 11, 2007, 05:24:40 PM
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I was about to quip that perhaps GST is Canadian welfare ( Whistle ), then I Googled and saw that it is a Goods and Services Tax, and a GST check is a refund on this tax (I think).
Correct. 8) The GST was created to basically help pay down our debt. We've been paying off our debt annually for the last 13 or 14 years and we've made a considerable dent. Thanks to the GST and excellent fiscal management from the Liberals. But there's still a lot more to pay off. ](*,) But there's no turning back now. Running a deficit and wild spending is a sure way to lose power in Canada. It's become part of Canadian policy whether you're a Conservative or a Liberal. I can't speak for the NDP, but they'll never be in power anyway. hehe. So, at the rate we're going now, Canada should be debt free in about 15 to 20 years.
The US has to really hunker down and start paying off their debt. And we're talking trillions and trillions. #-o Makes me nauseous just thinking about it. :-&
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 11, 2007, 05:41:41 PM
The US has to really hunker down and start paying off their debt. And we're talking trillions and trillions. #-o Makes me nauseous just thinking about it. :-&
But don't you just love the fact that we spend millions of dollars each day for our troops in Iraq? :mrgreen: We gotta get dem terrorists, damn it!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Joe Redifer on October 11, 2007, 08:29:59 PM
GamePro hates the TurboDuo with a passion. They gave it a HUGE thumbs down!
Are you gonna just sit there and take that? WELL??!!?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Necromancer on October 12, 2007, 05:27:31 AM
Eh, some of the article is fact. The Duo was $300 and a good value, had less buttons than the competition, had a smaller library with minimal third party support, yet had some of the best five player gaming action. I won't argue with the words, but the giant thumbs down graphic can suck my sweaty sack. This is for you, bud:
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 12, 2007, 05:48:06 AM
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Are you gonna just sit there and take that? WELL??!!?
haha Joe. :clap:
Well, first of all, "2 Super CD"? What is that? Secondly, it's 8 bit CPU is faster and more of a work horse than the SNES' CPU. As for its 16-bit processor, there's actually two of them, which explains why the Turbo makes games hold up and in some cases are better than its Genesis and SNES counterparts.
The two button controller was kinda embarrassing back in the day when you had the 6 button SNES and the 3 button Genesis. However, there really weren't that many games that actually used anymore than two buttons at that time. So, the controller issue really was more of an image thing. "Look, we have more buttons!!!" Though it was annoying the times when you had to use the select button.
CD access time annoying? Yeah, those couple seconds are really annoying.... :roll: I hope that reviewer has gotten over his CD apprehension over the years given the fact that even NINTENDO uses CDs now. I'd hate to see his review of Halo: "It's an amazing game, but I just can't wait around for the maps to load so I don't bother playing it."
TTI's titles are more suited for the Japanese market. Well, that's what I loved about the Turbo. I believe EGM, in their 16 bit war review, said that the Turbo Grafx 16 would lead the pack if they could bring over more of their Japanese titles. The Turbo's Japanese flare was an asset, not a hindrance. If only TTI/NEC understood that, the system would have done a lot better in North America. But instead they seemed to take these lame reviewers to heart.
57 games, eh? I'm pretty sure the number of games (CD and Turbochip) was higher than that by '93....no, I'm actually positive. And apparently this reviewer really didn't bother to look beyond the 4-in-one disc. ](*,) Bonk and Bomberman are great games and the most familiar, but I think most here can agree that there are many more games that are equally if not more fun.
Anyway, I remember these dark days for the Turbo. It seemed that these magazines were out to destroy it with dumbass reviews like this. I think what I hated most was the whole "it's actually only an 8-bit CPU 'revelation'". Sure, it's true. The Turbo Grafx 16 only had an 8 bit CPU, but it still stood up to the competition. Instead, these reviewers completely dismissed the Turbo based on this without really taking a look at the machine and its games.
I give this review a thumbs down for being lame. [-X
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ccovell on October 12, 2007, 06:25:57 AM
As for its 16-bit processor, there's actually two of them, which explains why the Turbo makes games hold up and in some cases are better than its Genesis and SNES counterparts.
I love the Turbo, but I don't think it's fair for the other systems to call the VCE a 16-bit "processor". It primarily handles pixel width and colour generation from the VDC's output. You know, kinda like the VDC is the Michelangelo drawing 124,000 boxes on a canvas in intricate formations, and the VCE is a child with a box of crayons filling in those boxes like a colour-by-number project. :)
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 12, 2007, 06:33:44 AM
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love the Turbo, but I don't think it's fair for the other systems to call the VCE a 16-bit "processor". It primarily handles pixel width and colour generation from the VDC's output. You know, kinda like the VDC is the Michelangelo drawing 124,000 boxes on a canvas in intricate formations, and the VCE is a child with a box of crayons filling in those boxes like a colour-by-number project. Smile
hehe. :mrgreen:
Fair enough, but it's the fact that the reviewer knew next to nothing about the Turbo Duo and it's specs, games, library, etc....
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 12, 2007, 06:47:27 AM
Since the Duo Pad is identical to the NES pad, does that mean that the 6-button Genesis pad is identical to the japanese Saturn pad?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: awack on October 12, 2007, 07:33:22 AM
Ha, i love reading those old mags. To get a sense of where these people are coming from you have to read a few of there mags, hell, actually one is enough.
In one of magazines reader mail sections some one had sent them mail saying how their neo-geo ports comparison was all screwed up, he went on to say how the duo's versions were far better than what was on the genesis or the super nintendo, the authors response did not really say anything until the end....quote (i do agree that the duo's neo-geo ports are the best 8 bit versions out there) :D
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 12, 2007, 08:40:39 AM
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i do agree that the duo's neo-geo ports are the best 8 bit versions out there) Very Happy
Dear god. How do you take a statement like that?! That is ridiculous. haha. :-s I remember the hairs on the back of my neck standing on end reading crap like that.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: awack on October 12, 2007, 09:31:33 AM
This kinda crap still takes place today, this is from the internet site videogames101.
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The Turbo Duo was NEC and Hudson Soft's (or TTI) last attempt to save their share in the very competitive North American video game market. This sleek and smooth game system will play all those Turbografx-16 cards (like Keith Courage), the Turbo Grafx-16 CDs (like Fighting Street), and the upgraded Super CD-ROMs (like Gates of Thunder). Fairly good value, eh? Unfortunately, the Turbo Duo is still only a out dated 8-bit gaming system
and he goes on to say
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56 FATAL FURY SPECIAL (Hudson Soft/SNK, 1994) *Arcade Super CD-ROM2 Japanese I was looking forward to this one one one fighting game but the music and sound effects here were very disappointing considering all the additional hardware support (you need a Duo system and a special Arcade card as well or the game won't play) needed to play this SNK fighter in the first place. Although this is a decent translation of the Fatal Fury 2 upgrade and it even has the scaling effects, but you're better off with the Super Nintendo and Sega CD versions instead anyway because they are not only cheaper but they also higher in quality. *Compatible with the 6 button Avenue pad For 1 or 2 players graphics: 6 sound: 5 gameplay: 6
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 12, 2007, 09:39:57 AM
Dear lord....
Anyone who sees the Neo Geo ports acknowledges that they're better than the SNES/Genesis ports. They're not as good as the Neo Geo, but they put up a good fight.
I've just come to assume that these people are in fact dumbfounded how an "8 bit" system can put other 16 bit systems to shame. So instead of giving the system props they choose to stomp on it, not realizing that repeating lies over and over doesn't actually make them true.
I love the scoring though. haha. Utter nonsense. :lol:
Here's a link I'm sure most of you have seen. Just a montage of the arcade card fighting games.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: TR0N on October 12, 2007, 03:31:47 PM
This kinda crap still takes place today, this is from the internet site videogames101.
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The Turbo Duo was NEC and Hudson Soft's (or TTI) last attempt to save their share in the very competitive North American video game market. This sleek and smooth game system will play all those Turbografx-16 cards (like Keith Courage), the Turbo Grafx-16 CDs (like Fighting Street), and the upgraded Super CD-ROMs (like Gates of Thunder). Fairly good value, eh? Unfortunately, the Turbo Duo is still only a out dated 8-bit gaming system
and he goes on to say
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56 FATAL FURY SPECIAL (Hudson Soft/SNK, 1994) *Arcade Super CD-ROM2 Japanese I was looking forward to this one one one fighting game but the music and sound effects here were very disappointing considering all the additional hardware support (you need a Duo system and a special Arcade card as well or the game won't play) needed to play this SNK fighter in the first place. Although this is a decent translation of the Fatal Fury 2 upgrade and it even has the scaling effects, but you're better off with the Super Nintendo and Sega CD versions instead anyway because they are not only cheaper but they also higher in quality. *Compatible with the 6 button Avenue pad For 1 or 2 players graphics: 6 sound: 5 gameplay: 6
LOL well that's alot of bs all those neo ports that,Takara did for the snes&genesis realy falled short.
Either the sprites were too small...or they were missing a few characters or,there were frames of animation missing.
Yet the pce came much more close then what the snes&genesis did :P
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: malducci on October 12, 2007, 05:15:49 PM
This kinda crap still takes place today, this is from the internet site videogames101.
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The Turbo Duo was NEC and Hudson Soft's (or TTI) last attempt to save their share in the very competitive North American video game market. This sleek and smooth game system will play all those Turbografx-16 cards (like Keith Courage), the Turbo Grafx-16 CDs (like Fighting Street), and the upgraded Super CD-ROMs (like Gates of Thunder). Fairly good value, eh? Unfortunately, the Turbo Duo is still only a out dated 8-bit gaming system
and he goes on to say
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56 FATAL FURY SPECIAL (Hudson Soft/SNK, 1994) *Arcade Super CD-ROM2 Japanese I was looking forward to this one one one fighting game but the music and sound effects here were very disappointing considering all the additional hardware support (you need a Duo system and a special Arcade card as well or the game won't play) needed to play this SNK fighter in the first place. Although this is a decent translation of the Fatal Fury 2 upgrade and it even has the scaling effects, but you're better off with the Super Nintendo and Sega CD versions instead anyway because they are not only cheaper but they also higher in quality. *Compatible with the 6 button Avenue pad For 1 or 2 players graphics: 6 sound: 5 gameplay: 6
Wait.. where was that review from?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 12, 2007, 05:17:45 PM
This reminds me of a scene in the movie Idiocracy where the dumbasses of the future are trying to explain what electrolytes are to the main character.
"What ARE electrolytes??" "It's what plants crave." "Yeah but why do plants crave them?" "Because they're electrolytes!" "But what ARE THEY!?!?" "They're electroltyes!"
Instead:
"Why is the TG16 less powerful?" "Because it's 8-bit!" "Why does that make it less powerful??" "Because it's less than 16-bits!" "But it's faster than SNES!" "But it's only 8-bit!"
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: awack on October 12, 2007, 07:18:29 PM
malducci
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Wait.. where was that review from?
Its from videogames101 not to be confused with hardcore gaming 101, is that what you were thinking?
Keranu, you hit the nail on the head with that.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: nat on October 12, 2007, 07:20:58 PM
I was pretty sure I was the only person on the planet who saw Idiocracy.
I'm glad to know I was not alone.
I have to admit, I liked it in a weird twisted way. That one chick in it from SNL was pretty hot, too.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 12, 2007, 07:35:17 PM
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"Why is the TG16 less powerful?" "Because it's 8-bit!" "Why does that make it less powerful??" "Because it's less than 16-bits!" "But it's faster than SNES!" "But it's only 8-bit!"
I haven't seen Idiocracy (at least not that I can remember), but Keranu, you summed it all up there. The fact is the TurboGrafx 16 was more powerful than any 16 bit system hands down. GamePro and all the 16 bit wannabees can suck an egg because they know it's true. :mrgreen:
The Turbo does what the 16 bit "players" can't. Period.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Black Tiger on October 13, 2007, 04:35:54 AM
This reminds me of a scene in the movie Idiocracy where the dumbasses of the future are trying to explain what electrolytes are to the main character.
Doctor: "Basically your shit's all f*cked up and you talk like a fag."
Reviewer: "Basically it looks good for 8-bit but it sounds like an NES."
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: GUTS on October 13, 2007, 07:14:55 AM
Mike Judge is a genius. Idiocracy was pretty good, but Office Space is one of the greatest comedies ever written, I've watched it about 20 times and STILL laugh at all the jokes.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: nat on October 13, 2007, 07:18:05 AM
Mike Judge is a genius. Idiocracy was pretty good, but Office Space is one of the greatest comedies ever written, I've watched it about 20 times and STILL laugh at all the jokes.
"It's a jump to conclusions mat. It's a mat that has conclusions that you can jump to!"
"PC Load Letter? What the f*ck does that mean?"
One of my favorite parts is right at the beginning when what's-his-name is in his car bumpin' the rap music and that black guy selling flowers approaches him so he rolls his window up and locks the door.
GUTS, do you like King of the Hill, too? I get a kick out of that show sometimes.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 13, 2007, 07:52:48 AM
Haha. Yeah Office Space is hilarious.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Keranu on October 13, 2007, 01:02:29 PM
I was pretty sure I was the only person on the planet who saw Idiocracy.
Hilarious movie. It kind of takes time to really appreciate it, but me and my bros reference to it all the time now. Terry Crews has the best role as President Kamacho (or whatever). "I thought yo head would be bigger. Looks like a peanut!" (while holding onto his crouch). :mrgreen: Terry Crews is the funniest man on the planet.
Quote from: Black_Tiger
Doctor: "Basically your shit's all f*cked up and you talk like a fag."
Reviewer: "Basically it looks good for 8-bit but it sounds like an NES."
HAHAHAHA! Exactly!
Quote from: nat
"It's a jump to conclusions mat. It's a mat that has conclusions that you can jump to!"
Hahaha, that's one of my favorite parts!
Beavis & Butthead will always remain as my favorite work from Mike Judge, that show is pure classic in every way possible. Office Space is a pretty big jump from Beavis & Butthead and a great movie, but man I can't think of many things I've laughed at more than Beavis & Butthead.
Have you guys seen any of Mike Judge's old independent animation stuff like the original Office Space sketch and that cartoon called like "The Inbred Hillbillys" or something? It's cool stuff!
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Ninja Spirit on October 13, 2007, 01:17:48 PM
Perhaps I can vouch for some... (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Oldschoolage/DracX.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Oldschoolage/PCEArcadeCard.jpg) (http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Oldschoolage/FK.jpg) Argh...my fatal mistake of accidently erasing my save data is coming back to haunt me..
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: kenomac78 on October 13, 2007, 01:51:59 PM
i loved the egm buyers guides!!
i wish i had saved them , do theu still have them? the last one i remember was 96. id die to see some more scans
a complete online EGM and VG and CE would be heaven.
gamepro is was and will always be crap
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Cleria on October 14, 2007, 02:43:29 PM
To each there own though. Some megazines out there are weirder...there's more twisted places out there in the world. Just remember that.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: rag-time4 on October 15, 2007, 10:33:28 AM
The US has to really hunker down and start paying off their debt.
Why should the US pay off its debt?
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: ceti alpha on October 15, 2007, 11:05:29 AM
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Why should the US pay off its debt?
That's a big question. Fortunately I'm not an economist so I don't have to provide you with a big answer. :P
Well, for the same reasons why people should pay off their credit card debts/mortgages/student loans. Every year a certain amount of the country's surplus (something the US hasn't had since the Republicans came into power) towards the debt. Kind of like minimum payments on credit cards. There's also interest.
So as a tax payer I would be very concerned about my money going into pay interest on my country's debt. That money could be used towards education, health care, research and development, etc...
The fact is that the world is losing faith in the American dollar. The Canadian dollar is above par with the American dollar. EBay is looking pretty sweet now. :clap: The reason for this is because Canada has been paying off our debt yearly for 13 years. It's called running good finances and other countries see this and invest in our economy. The US has managed to convince the world that the US dollar is the most stable currency, however, the longer the US continues to falter in regards to it's national debt the less faith nations will have in their currency. I wouldn't be surprised if the Euro becomes the world's standard currency.
Title: Re: Ys Book 1 & 2 - GamePro review (and other stuff from old magazines)
Post by: Necromancer on October 15, 2007, 11:20:12 AM
Lumbergh: Ummm, yeah. I'm gonna need you to come in tomorrow, mmmmk?
The interest paid on the $9 trillion debt is a huge part of the annual budget ($406 billion in '06). Like ceti alpha said, this debt is a large factor in the dollar's falling value, which is part of the problem with the US economy.