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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: TR0N on October 23, 2007, 05:00:08 PM
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If any thing a rant from a old man even if he was the founder of atari.
http://gamernode.com/News/4726-Atari-founder-says-games-of-today-are-trash/index.html
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Sounds like every fat nintendo nerd on the planet.
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"Video games today are a race to the bottom. They are pure, unadulterated trash and I'm sad for that."
I agree wholeheartedly. if that makes me a fat nintendo nerd, then that's what I am.
IMHO, EA is largely responsible for the problem.
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Well, when it comes to the blockbusters I do think that most modern games are trash. Not that they aren't well made, but well made violence porn is still violence porn.
There is a shitload of great stuff coming out all the time in the 2nd tier sales category though, and even a few huge sellers are decent, but mostly from Nintendo. A guy that only goes to the game store at Xmas might not see any of those.
BTW, whoever wrote this article is a much bigger tool than Bushnell. Its reminds me of when right wing talk show hosts quoting people totally out of context supposedly proving that Ted Kennedy is a baby eating Communist or something. I'd be much more interested in reading the entire interview (if it exists), which was obviously conducted by someone else.
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While I think most modern games are trash, I'm not exactly a huge fan of his old Atari games, either. :wink:
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"Video games today are a race to the bottom. They are pure, unadulterated trash and I'm sad for that."
I disagree wholeheartedly. Games haven't gotten any more violent or dirty, the violence and filth is just depicted in a more realistic fashion. There's just as many quality sports, puzzle, driving, and other 'clean' games released now as there was back in Atari's salad days.
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Atari's salad days
WTF is a "salad day"!? 0_o
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WTF is a "salad day"!? 0_o
It refers to the good ol' days from one's youth.
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I don't care about the gratuitous violence.
What I think he meant by 'race to the bottom' was quality-wise. Since it's no longer feasible to have one, or even a few, programmers develop a game, budgets must go up. Suits see this, and think 'I must get more work for more money'. hence things like the EA widow occur. Because these poor people don't have lives, they don't really care about the damn game and just want to git er done. thus quality suffers.
there are a few cases in the industry where this does not happen, and that is where most of the good games tend to come from.
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Nolan is thinking back to the good ole' days and his Atari 2600, when they had nice wholesome games like Custer's Revenge.
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I see where you're coming from, guyjin, but I don't think the good to crap ratio has gotten any worse. The 2600 was plagued with boring originals and derivative junk - just like today's consoles.
Nolan is thinking back to the good ole' days and his Atari 2600, when they had nice wholesome games like Custer's Revenge.
:lol:
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I see where you're coming from, guyjin, but I don't think the good to crap ratio has gotten any worse. The 2600 was plagued with boring originals and derivative junk - just like today's consoles.
As far as outright quality goes, things are so much better nowadays. Before the internet, and especially before game magazines, games that were virtually unplayable shit were really common. Now they are extremely rare. Try releasing ET, Circus Lido, or Rise of the Robots today.
I think what Nolan is bothered by is the sex, violence, etc in crap like 50 Cent Bullet Proof, GTA, State of Emergency, Manhunt, etc. That stuff is "trash", even if its very playable. If those were the only kind of games out nowadays, I'd just wouldn't play any new games. The truth is we also have good stuff like Guitar Hero, Animal Crossing, etc, and some of the "newer" games (newer as seen by old dudes) have been amazing experiences for me; Rez, Sakura Wars 3, Mother 3, Astro Boy: Omega Factor, and many others.
I think he probably just saw a guy playing Manhunt or some other such snuff material, which is enough to ruin anyones outlook on games.
Either that or Madden...
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What are they racing to the bottom of?
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I think what Nolan is bothered by is the sex, violence, etc in crap like 50 Cent Bullet Proof, GTA, State of Emergency, Manhunt, etc. That stuff is "trash", even if its very playable.
That's the argument against current gaming that I hear most often, and I just don't see how the objective of GTA and its ilk is all that different from older games. Tons of classic games were all about administering a beat down or shooting anything that moves. GTA just changes it to first person perspective with more realism and more recognizable innocent bystanders.
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Try releasing ET
I think I am going to start a gaming lobby called, "E.T.: Not As Bad As People Say"
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ET is, in fact, as bad as they say. I had it when I was a kid. Frustrated me to no end. ](*,)
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It refers to the good ol' days from one's youth.
But still, wtf does it have to do with salad? Am I thinking of the right salad, like Quizno's salad here? Seriously, I'm totaly lost. >_>
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I think I am going to start a gaming lobby called, "E.T.: Not As Bad As People Say"
I concur. As a kid, I played the shit out of E.T. and suffered through an ass load of crappier 2600 games that were more broken and less playable.
But still, wtf does it have to do with salad? Am I thinking of the right salad, like Quizno's salad here? Seriously, I'm totaly lost. >_>
Google tells me that it's from Shakespeare's Antony and Cleopatra in the speech at the end of Act One where Cleopatra is recalling her youthful indiscretions with Caesar: “My salad days, when I was green in judgment”.
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I repeat, what are they racing to the bottom of?
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I repeat, what are they racing to the bottom of?
Apparently, the salad bowl. 0_o
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I repeat, what are they racing to the bottom of?
Apparently, the salad bowl. 0_o
Yep. Free salads for every meal starting Tuesday!
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This Bushnell guy does not make any sense. When were most atari games more than 1 player? And my father thinks video games are mindless and he was only 20 when pac man came out. I agree that most video games suck now because most of them don't offer anything but fancy graphics, but all those ludes and shit he must have done in the 70's is messing with his mind.
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Bushnell is just a bitter, defeated person. He went from being a GOD in the industry, to seeing the company he founded....that for years WAS video gaming reduced to the broken, almost bankrupt (again) company it is today. Like state already...games are not that diffetrent from yesterday, the graphics are just more realistic. Yes you have the Manhunt 2, and other "extreme" games....but as a whole...games have more variety in genres than ever before.
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First of all, the article linked is not the full article:
http://electronicdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm?AD=1&AD=1&ArticleID=17133 < That's the whole thing. I'm only linking it in a sense of nonobjectiveness towards the facts, as it does not help his case at all and actually throws the fact that he's a money-hungry bastard into the mix.
Anyway I must say Nectarsis hit the nail on the head, much as TRON did in the first post.
You know how there's that old guy who is always rambling about the government/war/world today and how things were different in his day, how he had to walk 15 miles IN THE SNOW, and you sort of just nod your head and say "Mmmhmmm" because he'll lose track of whatever he's saying in about 40 seconds and fall asleep? That's kind of what this article was really created for.
This is just conjecture here, but if I were to put numbers to it, I would say about 75% of today's generation know that Atari made games before they became a publisher, 50% have actually willingly played old Atari games, 25% have played on their parent's actual hardware consoles, 15% know that Nolan Bushnell created Atari, 5% know that without looking in Wikipedia.
No one really gives a shit about what this man thinks, it's all just fanservice for the elderly. Videogames haven't evolved to a point where they're RADICALLY different from an Atari game, but they've evolved to the point where Bushnell can't keep up, knows he can't keep up and doesn't really want to keep up.
Bushnell's big stance is "social gaming"? On that page there's a great point made in the comments that even in these "blow them up" shooters, it's still ENTIRELY social with teamchat, etc...what about MMOs? Never even mentioned those, have you, Bushnell?
In the end, the world will continue to ignore him, and contrary to his belief, it will keep spinning on and on, and he will be left with nothing but a faded legacy and the glow of a Pong machine's monitor to shine on his deathbed.
And then Duke Nukem Forever should be out! :dance:
EDIT: The Duke Nukem comment was meant as both an indicator of the passage of time and as a stab at 3DRealms' miserable failure, not in the sense of "I was just pulling your leg, I like Nolan Bushnell!". Because everything I said in this thread was true and I HATE Nolan Bushnell, for nearly killing gaming and for his bullshit comments. Gaming god my ass.
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And wouldn't you know that the newest XKCD strip would happen to coincide with this?
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/brick_archway.png)
(http://xkcd.com/347/)
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I think the "social gaming" bit is funny. May be old age...I don't remeber there being a Mario party type game (or the like) back in the day. The only reason I remeber people "gathering in groups aka socially" to play games is not as many people had Atari's (at least by todays standards). It was a "fad, or oddity"..it was new, and unique. I mean...social gaming...we have portables that cango online/link players, X Box live,Playstation network...yep, we all crawl in our caves, and play games in the dark unser a wet blanket...lol
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the guy throwing the tennis ball should be in a space suit. for no reason. :D
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I think the "social gaming" bit is funny. May be old age...I don't remeber there being a Mario party type game (or the like) back in the day. The only reason I remeber people "gathering in groups aka socially" to play games is not as many people had Atari's (at least by todays standards). It was a "fad, or oddity"..it was new, and unique. I mean...social gaming...we have portables that cango online/link players, X Box live,Playstation network...yep, we all crawl in our caves, and play games in the dark unser a wet blanket...lol
Exactly, Bushnell just doesn't know what the hell he's talking about! :lol: