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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: nat on October 24, 2007, 12:03:26 PM
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guyjin's signature got me wondering... AFAIK, the Wii has been in the lead of the current generation of consoles for at least a month or two now. I even thought some kind of official announcement was made when the Wii overtook the 360 a number of weeks ago. But his signature shows the XBOX 360 as the leader. Where do those numbers come from, guyjin?
This is the site I visit for current information on console and games sales:
http://www.vgchartz.com/
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Supposedly that VC Chartz site is flawed, but I don't really know much about the details. I do know that the 360 sold the most consoles last month because of the release of Halo 3, but not sure if they are in the lead of total now.
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Supposedly that VC Chartz site is flawed, but I don't really know much about the details. I do know that the 360 sold the most consoles last month because of the release of Halo 3, but not sure if they are in the lead of total now.
Flawed? In what way?
From what I understand, they take numbers from actual numbers of consoles/games sold worldwide as opposed to how many shipped.
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May the Chartz be with you!
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http://nexgenwars.com/how.php
from the link:
The console sales numbers you see on the front page of NexGen Wars are estimates, and are not intended to represent exact, down to the minute sales as only Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony know the exact sales figures of their respective consoles. What we do here at NexGen Wars is compile numbers from NPD, Media Create, ChartTrack, as well as various other sources. We then take these numbers and, based on past sales trends, extrapolate the numbers out to give as close to real-time estimates as possible.
so they're an estimate. a good one, but still an estimate. This is why the numbers will sometimes fall steeply after having gone up a while.
Incidentally, vgchartz seems to be down.
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Look at how low the PS3's sales are - just under 5,000,000. I bet that the sales would be a lot closer if Sony would quit shipping the PS2 (and bring out some top notch exclusives, obviously).
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the people buying ps2's now are the budget minded parents, and poor gamers... they wouldn't even think of buying a ps3.
I don't think it's a stretch to say ps2 sales are not hurting the ps3 at all.
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I would rather buy a PS2 than a PS3 simply because the PS2 actually has some good exclusive games?
It seems like the PS3 has nothing but old Xbox 360 games on it. :?
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I disagree, guyjin. I think that quite a few Sony fans would step up to a PS3 if they weren't still cranking out games for the PS2, or if they couldn't replace a dead PS2 with a new one and keep playing their existing library of games.
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http://nexgenwars.com/how.php
from the link:
The console sales numbers you see on the front page of NexGen Wars are estimates, and are not intended to represent exact, down to the minute sales as only Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony know the exact sales figures of their respective consoles. What we do here at NexGen Wars is compile numbers from NPD, Media Create, ChartTrack, as well as various other sources. We then take these numbers and, based on past sales trends, extrapolate the numbers out to give as close to real-time estimates as possible.
so they're an estimate. a good one, but still an estimate. This is why the numbers will sometimes fall steeply after having gone up a while.
Incidentally, vgchartz seems to be down.
Yeah, that's odd. They've never been down before as far as I know, and they were up when I posted the link. :?:
So I guess that the VG Chartz numbers must be an estimate of some sort as well, but when the race is so close, for one site to list one console in the lead and another site listing the other, it just seems odd to me.
Until I saw your signature I thought it was common knowledge that the Wii was mopping the floor with the 360 (especially considering the 360 had a full year on the Wii). Like I said, I thought there was even some kind of official announcement made recently when the Wii finally pulled ahead. But maybe I'm wrong.
I'm still interested to hear where Keranu heard that the VG Chartz site is "flawed." I've always visited them for all my console-race needs!
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I am voting for VIMIGO (http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-VMIGO-Console-Dog-Handheld/dp/B000ETRFRI). It is the wave of the future.
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That vimigo is pretty cool :)
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It's interesting how people who buy the 360 actually purchase games for it instead of just letting it collect dust between mario kart and smash brothers games.
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I'm still interested to hear where Keranu heard that the VG Chartz site is "flawed." I've always visited them for all my console-race needs!
I was trying to find a YouTube video describing it that I saw months ago, but I can't seem to find it so far.
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It's interesting how people who buy the 360 actually purchase games for it instead of just letting it collect dust between mario kart and smash brothers games.
Same deal with the PS3. I think that people desperate to get some use out of the device they dropped a ton of money on is drivng bluray movie sales way more than if the PS3 had some killer game apps. Its a bluray movie player that throws in game playing as a bonus, not the other way around right now.
I'm actually considering getting one as a movie player that may someday play a game I want. They just dropped the Canadian msrp to the U.S. number.
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I am voting for VIMIGO (http://www.amazon.com/Jakks-VMIGO-Console-Dog-Handheld/dp/B000ETRFRI). It is the wave of the future.
That looks about as useful and fun as anal polyps.
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It's interesting how people who buy the 360 actually purchase games for it instead of just letting it collect dust between mario kart and smash brothers games.
There are several games for it I would buy, right now, if I weren't trying to save money.
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It's interesting how people who buy the 360 actually purchase games for it instead of just letting it collect dust between mario kart and smash brothers games.
I bought a 360 this year and quite a few games for it. It's funny, but the 360 has gotten me excited about new generation of consoles. PS2 was nice and all, but I just couldn't really get into it no matter how hard I tried (and I've boughten more than $2000 worth of games since I original got it). I kept coming back to the old consoles. I was never a M$ fan either. I bought the original XBOX two years ago, but I don't have much love for it - if at all. The 360 is different. It just has a totally different atmosphere. Xbox Live and Live Arcade is cool too. Gears of War was amazing, Blue Dragon is great, Lost Planet is pretty cool too. I hated Halo 1 & 2, but part is 3 is great. The production value is excellent and the in game story driven events give it that Gears of War feel.
For me, there needs to be quite a few attractive exclusives for PS3 before I'll shell out the cash for one. The way I look at it, is that they want more $$$ for a console that came out a whole year after the competition, and yet it can't even surpass it - let alone meet it in performance. That's BS. The recently dropped it to $399, but it still ain't worth it IMO. I'd like to get a Wii though some time soon.
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For me, it has to be both an attractive price tag and at least one title worth buying. The PS3 only meets one of these; I do want the Genji sequel but I'm sure as hell not going to pay such an outlandish price for a machine worth little more than a bluray drive. The Xbox 360 has no titles I want. The Wii's only charm to be is VC, and it can't even do that right yet. I'll stick with my PS2 and my DS.
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The Xbox 360 has no titles I want.
Are you sure? It has the widest game selection of all the next gen systems so far - while the FPSes get most of the attention, there is other stuff out there. WarTech:Senko no Ronde, ferinstance.
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I may be the recipient of heavy flaming here, but the Wii is satisfying all my next-gen console needs. It's got VC, which I am utilizing for the handful of Genesis games I love and as the selection grows I will utilize it for the NeoGeo titles I never could afford to own. The control scheme for the system is fresh, innovative. Somthing different than the same-old.
That said, I am looking forward to the native game library expanding a bit.
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My Wii gets used a lot, mostly for the Internet Channel, the ultimate way of YouTube. It's also fun to play a little Bomberman '93 after I played some Wii games on it. I don't think people realize it, but I find there are actually a lot of potentially good untalked Wii games on the verge of coming out soon beside Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros.
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Are you sure? It has the widest game selection of all the next gen systems so far - while the FPSes get most of the attention, there is other stuff out there. WarTech:Senko no Ronde, ferinstance.
I specifically avoid games with titles that include the following words:
War, Craft, Space, Battle, Legend, Quest, Tech, Dark, Evolution, Zelda, Mario, Party.
Any good traditional RPGs?
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Are you sure? It has the widest game selection of all the next gen systems so far - while the FPSes get most of the attention, there is other stuff out there. WarTech:Senko no Ronde, ferinstance.
I specifically avoid games with titles that include the following words:
War, Craft, Space, Battle, Legend, Quest, Tech, Dark, Evolution, Zelda, Mario, Party.
Hahaha! What about Fantasy?
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Are you sure? It has the widest game selection of all the next gen systems so far - while the FPSes get most of the attention, there is other stuff out there. WarTech:Senko no Ronde, ferinstance.
I specifically avoid games with titles that include the following words:
War, Craft, Space, Battle, Legend, Quest, Tech, Dark, Evolution, Zelda, Mario, Party.
Hahaha! What about Fantasy?
or Super, Mega, Ultra, Complete, Gold, Turbo, X, DS, or Gorgeous?
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Same here,Wii is the only current next gen system I like,that offer a play experience other then what can be had on pc to me. The other systems are more like dumbed down pcs for dummies,same graphics quality,same kinda titles,with a game pad.
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The wii is the only current system i have this generation.
Right now i only used it for the vc stuff wich isn't saying much.
While it's frist party games are good it's third party is ports or shovelware.
Wich sucks that third partys are so freaking lazy...they don't care making games that work for the wii.
PS glad capcom got the hint with zack&wiki and the reviews have been good too.
As for 360 dunno if i want one maybe when the older models are,phase out and the falcon has become a standerd i might get one.
Btw it's xbal does temp me so for a 360 though.
As for the PS3 the only game that interest me is,MSG4 even while sony has it's 40gig model coming out with a lower price tag.
The lack of bc and a few other things being droped have turn me off towards it.
Realy..sony needs to make there minds up what direction there going ](*,)
If any thing i see the current gen as a mess still wich needs to be iron out.
In any case i'll be playing games on the older consoles for a little while longer.
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Are you sure? It has the widest game selection of all the next gen systems so far - while the FPSes get most of the attention, there is other stuff out there. WarTech:Senko no Ronde, ferinstance.
I specifically avoid games with titles that include the following words:
War, Craft, Space, Battle, Legend, Quest, Tech, Dark, Evolution, Zelda, Mario, Party.
Hahaha! What about Fantasy?
or Super, Mega, Ultra, Complete, Gold, Turbo, X, DS, or Gorgeous?
Those are the words you are SUPPOSED to be looking for! Don't forget Laser/Lazer, of course ;) .
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Are you sure? It has the widest game selection of all the next gen systems so far - while the FPSes get most of the attention, there is other stuff out there. WarTech:Senko no Ronde, ferinstance.
I specifically avoid games with titles that include the following words:
War, Craft, Space, Battle, Legend, Quest, Tech, Dark, Evolution, Zelda, Mario, Party.
Any good traditional RPGs?
Nodt, you'd probably like Blue Dragon. It's a traditional RPG with some really nice gfx. Nothing outlandish like FF games, just really clean/smooth graphics with nice camera effects like depth of field and such. It's a simple style/plot old school RPG that's been done before, but it (re)does it *really* well.
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I've heard a lot of mixed reviews about Blue Dragon, but I couldn't honestly give a shit what a bunch of yokels thinks about it. If I ever get a chance, I'll check it out. Thanks for the reminder.
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Although I like a lot of games on 360, I honestly think that when I buy a console (as soon as my car fund is complete) it might be the Wii.
Why "might"? Because while it seems like it has a lot of potential and right now is right up my alley, I've been burned with N64 (like 4 good games for it) and Gamecube (perhaps 3 good games).
I don't want to keep funding my eventual disappointment, so I'm really hesitant about Wii.
Some of my AIM/MSN friends feel the same way, and I assume there's more of us. That's why I don't think Wii will do that hot this generation, even though it has potential.
Actually, PS3 is starting to shape up, and in a year, it could be actually "considerable purchase" good. But I think 360 will win the war.
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Right now, much of my money is going into incorporating a business and buying a DS development kit from Nintendo, so I don't really have the cash to shell out for the PS3 anyways...or a Wii or Xbox 360 for that matter either.
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Right now, much of my money is going into incorporating a business and buying a DS development kit from Nintendo, so I don't really have the cash to shell out for the PS3 anyways...or a Wii or Xbox 360 for that matter either.
Nice. How much does a DS dev kit run? I would never be able to use one, but I'm curious. Is it like in the $1000s or the $10,000s?
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wow, you're going to develope for ds nod? thats bad ass :mrgreen:
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Although I like a lot of games on 360, I honestly think that when I buy a console (as soon as my car fund is complete) it might be the Wii.
Why "might"? Because while it seems like it has a lot of potential and right now is right up my alley, I've been burned with N64 (like 4 good games for it) and Gamecube (perhaps 3 good games).
I don't want to keep funding my eventual disappointment, so I'm really hesitant about Wii.
Words of ultimate truth (of doom). Nintendo 64, shit games. Gamecube, even shittier games (almost the shittiest games ever made, in fact) and then Wii.... the epitome of shit. Nintendo systems really suck (except FC/SFC). Not just the hardware in this case which is ridiculously weak and terrible, but the games suck too. I'd rather get a f*cking Xbox than a Wii. And Xbox is shit!
The best system for this generation is without a doubt Xbox 360. Well, not really... it's the worst system (RLOD, anyone?), but it has the best games. PS3 has no good games at all, but at least the hardware isn't weak/crippled.
This generation really sucks.
/Goes back to Famicom gaming
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I might have to agree with you fm :) This generation is filled with run of the mill fps and 3rd person walk-around games, boring :|
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Although I like a lot of games on 360, I honestly think that when I buy a console (as soon as my car fund is complete) it might be the Wii.
Why "might"? Because while it seems like it has a lot of potential and right now is right up my alley, I've been burned with N64 (like 4 good games for it) and Gamecube (perhaps 3 good games).
I don't want to keep funding my eventual disappointment, so I'm really hesitant about Wii.
The best system for this generation is without a doubt Xbox 360. Well, not really... it's the worst system (RLOD, anyone?), but it has the best games. PS3 has no good games at all, but at least the hardware isn't weak/crippled.
This generation really sucks.
/Goes back to Famicom gaming
Agreed current gaming is mess up at this point.
That's why i stated things in it are a mess and it must be iron out still.
Sales figures don't mean much to me i play what i like at this point.
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I haven't touched an actual polygonal game in a month! 0_0
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Words of ultimate truth (of doom). Nintendo 64, shit games. Gamecube, even shittier games (almost the shittiest games ever made, in fact) and then Wii.... the epitome of shit.
you are out of your cockblasting mind.
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Words of ultimate truth (of doom). Nintendo 64, shit games. Gamecube, even shittier games (almost the shittiest games ever made, in fact) and then Wii.... the epitome of shit.
you are out of your cockblasting mind.
Yeah, I really disagree about the GameCube. Great system. The Nintendo 64 was Nintendo's biggest let down, ever. The system itself was fine and all, but the game library left so much to be desired it's not even funny. The 64 could have been a killer 2D system but instead focused on ugly, jagged polygon games. The few 2D games it did get were pretty sweet though (Mischief Makers, and I don't care what anyone says about Yoshi's Story, but that's an awesome game).
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Holy hell, I find myself agreeing with FM-77. It must be getting quite chilly down in Hades. :lol:
The number of 'must haves' for the N64 could be counted on one hand, and the same can be said of the GC. Well, maybe the 'Cube would require both hands, but that's still abysmal. So far, I haven't seen anything for the Wii that looks worthwhile either (outside of VC offerings).
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Yeah, I really disagree about the GameCube.
The only games I have enjoyed on Gamecube are:
Star Fox Adventures
Megaman X Collection
F-ZERO GX
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Sonic Aventure 2: Battle
Soul Caliber 2
Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
Super Mario Sunshine
Ikaruga
Super Monkey Ball 2
10 good games for Gamecube. 0_0
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Yeah, I really disagree about the GameCube.
The only games I have enjoyed on Gamecube are:
Star Fox Adventures
Megaman X Collection
F-ZERO GX
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Sonic Aventure 2: Battle
Soul Caliber 2
Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
Super Mario Sunshine
Ikaruga
Super Monkey Ball 2
10 good games for Gamecube. 0_0
And surely you must have played them all to come to that determination!
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Yeah, I really disagree about the GameCube.
The only games I have enjoyed on Gamecube are:
Star Fox Adventures
Megaman X Collection
F-ZERO GX
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Sonic Aventure 2: Battle
Soul Caliber 2
Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
Super Mario Sunshine
Ikaruga
Super Monkey Ball 2
10 good games for Gamecube. 0_0
And surely you must have played them all to come to that determination!
Not all of the library, but about 30 of them, including some reccomended-to-me-heavy-hitters like Eternal Darkness and Twilight Princess and Baten Kaidos. None of those games appeal to me. However the 10 games I listed previously are REALLY REALLY good.
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The games I enjoyed ont he Gamecube were:
Super Monkey Ball
Super Monkey Ball 2
F-Zero GX
Waverace 64
Residential Evil 4
5 good games!
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Even though Seldane is f*cking insane 99% of the time, I think he summed up Nintendo's last 3 consoles quite nicely.
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These days I think I prefer N64 over Gamecube.
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These days I think I prefer N64 over Gamecube.
I liked GC more then the N64.
Dunno the N64 never did have that appeal for me.
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These days I think I prefer N64 over Gamecube.
I liked GC more then the N64.
Dunno the N64 never did have that appeal for me.
Agreed.
And BTW, the rest of you all are clinically insane and should be locked away for the greater good of the world's population.
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Yeah, I really disagree about the GameCube.
The only games I have enjoyed on Gamecube are:
Star Fox Adventures
Megaman X Collection
F-ZERO GX
Super Smash Bros. Melee
Sonic Aventure 2: Battle
Soul Caliber 2
Bloody Roar: Primal Fury
Super Mario Sunshine
Ikaruga
Super Monkey Ball 2
10 good games for Gamecube. 0_0
And surely you must have played them all to come to that determination!
And Nat,he prob did it on emulators no less :P
We have around 60 titles on GameCube. Most of what we have I think is nice,and here is 15 of my favs we have:
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/IMG_1456.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/IMG_1455.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/IMG_1457.jpg)
I seriously liked the Gamecube alot. Alot more then the PS2 and X Box. Thats rare for me because I usually dislike anything Nintendo related or at least am ok with it,but not excited about or bother to mess with often.
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Shame on you for not having Super Monkey Ball, F-Zero GX and Super Monkey Ball 2 in those pictures. SHAME, SHAME! Soul Calibur 2 is better on Xbox (it's even in HD).
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Shame on you for not having Super Monkey Ball, F-Zero GX and Super Monkey Ball 2 in those pictures. SHAME, SHAME! Soul Calibur 2 is better on Xbox (it's even in HD).
I don't like Spawn. Seriously,played the X Box version alot. I don't like the port as much as the Game Cube one,graphically neither one really one ups the other on a SDTV either and I hate Spawn. I don't like the X Box game pads either.
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Oh yea,we do have F-Zero,but I think the only Monkey Ball we have is on DS,but Im not positive. We have too many titles for me to memorize,other stuff like Capcom vs SNK 2,Paper Mario,Mario Kart,Splinter Cell ect..
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Here's a picture of my favorite Gamecube games:
(http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/gamecubegames.jpg)
I hope I remember to pick these games up from off of the floor. Oh well.
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Here's a picture of my favorite Gamecube games:
(http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/gamecubegames.jpg)
I hope I remember to pick these games up from off of the floor. Oh well.
Ehh? That's it? No love for Tales of Symphonia?
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HaHa,yea well here is another awesome Game Cube pic of my own,man I swear I don't know how those other games got in there though,I hope I remember to pick these up off my bed....
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a66/Amakusa666/IMG_1459.jpg)
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Great GameCube games:
PSO Ep I & II
Fire Emblem
Tales of Symphonia
Zelda TP and WW
Zelda 4 swords
and Final Fantasy CC for the MOTHER f*ckING WIN!!!
Agreed: The N64 was the BIGGEST let-down in Nintendo history (YES even worse than the Virtual Boy)
At least the GameCube tried to get back to the fundamentals of having a few good RPGs, unlike the N64 with virtually NO RPGs!!
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Agreed: The N64 was the BIGGEST let-down in Nintendo history (YES even worse than the Virtual Boy)
Nothing could be worse than the Virtual Boy.
Nintendo could have their employees eat burritos, crap in little white boxes, label them "Nin-turd"s, sell them for $50, and it would be better than the Virtual Boy.
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Ehh? That's it? No love for Tales of Symphonia?
Here are my other favorite Gamecube games:
(http://pixelcraze.film-tech.net/crap/gamecubegames2.jpg)
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The games I enjoyed ont he Gamecube were:
Waverace 64
HUH!?
And RE4 sucks.
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No it doesn't.
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the controls aren't very fun :|
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If only I wouldn't have wasted my money on Magic Engine, then I too could've had fancy fake wood paneling. High horse, anyone? :lol:
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I'm sad that Joe's copy of Gaiares doesn't feature the guy with the mullet and pre-pubescent mustache.
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Nothing could be worse than the Virtual Boy.
The N64 was a bigger let-down because Nintendo had all the momentum from the success of the SNES, and went in a completely different direction. It seemed the only thing they cared about with the N64 was FPS's and 'Me too' 3D platformers, and a majority of the time sucked terribly! Where were all the great action games/ Fighters / RPG's/ shmups/ Side scrollers/ METROID games that made the SNES so excellent?
And as for the Virtual Boy it basically had NOTHING to live up to as it wasn't a sequel to any of Nintendo's systems or a next gen system, it was an idea that was going in a completely different direction. It never caught on, but I can still have fun playing my Panic Bomber on it!!
And besides with the new Wii Virtual Boy 2 on its way, its time to except this system as a cool idea that was far too ahead of its time!
(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z70/TurboSage/virtualboy.jpg)
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I think that if the technology had been up to par at the time to allow color, the Virtual Boy would have been a MASSIVE success.
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Word. It's too bad that Nintendo didn't try again a year or two later, when quality green and blue LEDs were readily available at reasonable cost. With full color and some slight tweaks to make it a bit more user friendly, it would've sold like hot cakes.
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(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z70/TurboSage/virtualboy.jpg)
That is SO photoshopped.
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What?!? No frickin' way! They're old news, as I'm already playing around with a Virtual Boy 3 prototype using a wireless connection to sub-retinal implants.
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Okay, I admit it. Gamecube rules.I love gamecube - when I got my gamecube I played in ot all the time! And I still do! In fact, I am playing on a gamecube now - I am playing a hacked version of Animal Crossing that lets you surf the Pcenginefx forums!
Here's a picture of all my favorite gamecube games:
(http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9554/theresnothingonbjs7.jpg)
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I think that if the technology had been up to par at the time to allow color, the Virtual Boy would have been a MASSIVE success.
I don't think so. It was still very cumbersome to play, had crap games and gave many people a headache.
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I liked the virtual boy, but it did have its faults. I did get headaches sometimes. Sometimes parts of the screen wouldn't focus and would be blurry.
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I got motion sickness from it, and it was a pain the ass to play. You'd think that somewhere along the line they would have noticed people getting headaches and motion sickness and thought twice about releasing it.
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When I finally spent good time with Virtual Boy at the MGCs, I really enjoyed the games. I don't think full color would've helped the gimmick of it though.
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People have actually seen a Virtual Boy in real life, and even used it? That is shocking!
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the blockbuster we went to to rent games back in the day had a VB. I think I played it once, and decided this was not for me. It also might've had to do with the fact that it was broken most of the time.
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People have actually seen a Virtual Boy in real life, and even used it? That is shocking!
Indeed! Now if you can show me people that have actually used a Pipin Atmark, I'll crap my pants.
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Virtual Boys were $20 brand new at Toys R Us like 4 months after they came out, I remember they had them for ages too. Toys R Us used to rock back in the 90s, I remember getting tons of good Turbo Grafx, Genesis, and SNES games over the years for $10 on clearance. Now they never have anything good on clearance, and if they do the ebay power seller faggots snatch them up by the cart load.
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I rememebr looking through the video game aisles, for red tickets near a video game, as that generally meant the game was priced $20 or less, and was on sale or clearance.
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The first time I played Air Zonk was on a demo unit at my local Toys 'R Us.
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I got my VB for 20 bucks at Wal-Mart and I had 10 games. Each game was 3.99 at the time of the big clearance.
A guy offered me $75 for it and all 10 games I had at the MGC and I sold it on the spot.
I kind of miss that old silly red thing.....................
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Damn, if you only had 4 more games you would have had every single Virtual Boy game EVER MADE!