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Title: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 02, 2007, 05:07:46 AM
Just wondering if anyone is going to check this out. I, of course, already have my ticket. 8) The original series on the big screen in remastered glory. 2 hours of bliss. :dance:
I bought tickets the day the announcement was made.
I'm gonna go take my dad, who got me into Star Trek in the first place in, like, 1985.
I'm going with my sister to the showing on the 13th at 7:30pm...pacific place.
Ahh, shit, we're going to Everett. We should have co-ordinated and made it a group event! :)
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Pcenginefx on November 02, 2007, 11:13:22 AM
I know!! Bahh....
Speaking of big-screen events, check this out: http://battlestarevent.com/ (2hr big-screen premiere of BSG: "Razor")
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 02, 2007, 11:19:32 AM
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(2hr big-screen premiere of BSG: "Razor")
Oh man!! That's sweet!! Not in Canada though. :cry: Oh well, I'm not going to complain too much. I'm just happy Star Trek is going to be showing. :)
....but man, BSG on the big screen would be fantastic though....grumble...grumble...but I'm not complaining! :P
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 02, 2007, 11:51:46 AM
Did they ADD footage? That's the only way it could be 2 hours. Otherwise it'd be about 1 hour and 42 minutes at most (unless they include the opening and credits twice, plus teaser). Also don't be sad if it has black bars on the side. Star Trek is not widescreen, it's 4:3. If they blew it up then they destroyed the original composition.
Also, I imagine this will probably only be shoeing at art theaters or somesuch and not have an actual regular engagement.
**reads linked page**
Ewww... they're showing it on HD video instead of film.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 02, 2007, 12:58:28 PM
Yeah-- it will be HD, it will surely have black bars on the side, and the extra 18 minutes probably has something to do with the fact that there is going to be some kind of opening commentary.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Michael Helgeson on November 02, 2007, 03:12:33 PM
Yea its going to have a special at the beginning of it. They previewed it at the Halloween 4 and 5 showing. I am considering seeing it. $10 to see old eps on the big screen is worth it.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 02, 2007, 04:56:43 PM
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Yea its going to have a special at the beginning of it. They previewed it at the Halloween 4 and 5 showing. I am considering seeing it. $10 to see old eps on the big screen is worth it.
Exactly. The black bars on the side won't bother me. It'll just be cool to see and hear it in the theatre.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 02, 2007, 06:48:22 PM
Yea its going to have a special at the beginning of it. They previewed it at the Halloween 4 and 5 showing. I am considering seeing it. $10 to see old eps on the big screen is worth it.
Exactly. The black bars on the side won't bother me. It'll just be cool to see and hear it in the theatre.
Unlike a home TV, it's not like you're going to be actually seeing the sides of the screen that the image doesn't cover, anyway. It's going to be in a dark theatre.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 02, 2007, 07:49:42 PM
Unless the theater has side masking that can come in far enough for 4:3 (99.9% of theaters don't), you'll be seeing empty screen space.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 03, 2007, 01:52:30 AM
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Unless the theater has side masking that can come in far enough for 4:3 (99.9% of theaters don't), you'll be seeing empty screen space.
haha. You just don't want us to enjoy this. :P
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 03, 2007, 06:16:14 AM
Yeah, no kidding. Jeez, Joe! I honestly had no hang-ups about any of this, but he's almost convinced me I'm going to have a sub-par experience.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 03, 2007, 12:13:11 PM
Unless the theater has side masking that can come in far enough for 4:3 (99.9% of theaters don't), you'll be seeing empty screen space.
Um...
I don't know about you, but I've seen shitloads of 4:3 movies in theaters. There was such a thing as film before Panavision, you know. I assume that pro grade video projectors have matted fixtures, just as pro grade film projectors do, although I have no experience with them.
Anyway, the curtains should only be as wide as the image, and I'm pretty sure even that is electronically controlled these days.
I'm not a fan of the state of theaters these days at all, and I pretty much hate digital projection outside of the home/school/office, but this is a non-issue.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 03, 2007, 12:34:19 PM
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haha. You just don't want us to enjoy this. :P
Not at all, I'm just correcting comments that are possibly in error. Also, wouldn't you rather go in with low expectations and be surprised than go in with high expectations and be disappointed?
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I don't know about you, but I've seen shitloads of 4:3 movies in theaters. There was such a thing as film before Panavision, you know. I assume that pro grade video projectors have matted fixtures, just as pro grade film projectors do, although I have no experience with them.
Anyway, the curtains should only be as wide as the image, and I'm pretty sure even that is electronically controlled these days.
Most films these days are not shot in Panavision. Many are shot in Super35 but enough about all of that nonsense. If the theater has curtains, then good. That's what I did when I showed movies in 1.33, but curtains cannot substitute 100% for masking. If you try to use them that way, part of the image shows up on the curtains ever-so-slightly. There should be some masking involved and the curtains should be right outside of that. However most theaters don't have curtains.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 04, 2007, 10:18:50 AM
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Also, wouldn't you rather go in with low expectations and be surprised than go in with high expectations and be disappointed?
When it comes to theatre experiences I've learned long ago to arrive with low expectations. heh. ](*,)
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Kitsunexus on November 04, 2007, 10:27:50 AM
Except for enjoying the FPS games and the arcade light-gun game, and laughing at that movie scene where Spock makes transparent alunimum, I've never liked Star Trek, it's really really boring.
One of my favorite things to do is make the "Live Long and Prosper" sign while saying "May the Force be with you".
The looks on the respective fanboy's faces are priceless. :dance:
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 04, 2007, 04:47:45 PM
Not all Star Trek is really boring. A lot of the recent TV shows have been shit, but the movies (and most of the original series) are masterpieces 9 times out of 10.
You probably watched some Voyager or last-season Next Generation episodes and turned the channel out of boredom. I don't blame you... But even within the "Star Trek" realm itself, the stuff is all very very different depending on when it was produced and who wrote it. A lot of the 80's stuff had more action elements, while a great majority of the stuff produced in the 90's and this century was soap-opera-in-space type crap.
I personally liked The Next Generation for the most part, but by the 7th season it seemed like everyone was sleepwalking through their parts and it just got real boring. TNG peaked, IMO during season 2 and/or 3. It was like the original series on steroids, and the stories were all relatively fast-paced and interesting. There are probably only like 1 or 2 bad episodes to show for both those years combined.
And BTW, it was Scotty who created the transparent aluminum. He tried to give the formula to a Mac Plus by talking to the mouse. Good times.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Kitsunexus on November 04, 2007, 04:52:12 PM
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 04, 2007, 04:58:53 PM
The original series had some soap opera-y moments, but it wasn't all like that. There was a lot of really good stuff. The original series was the best series, IMO. I find William Shatner entertaining to watch, regardless of what he's doing.
Go watch Star Trek II and tell me you don't like Star Trek. Everybody likes Star Trek II. Aliens that enter your body through your ears and feed off your brain tissue, crazy psychopaths murdering space station crews, intense ship battles... Good stuff.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Kitsunexus on November 04, 2007, 05:01:59 PM
Go watch Star Trek II and tell me you don't like Star Trek. Everybody likes Star Trek II. Aliens that enter your body through your ears and feed off your brain tissue, crazy psychopaths murdering space station crews, intense ship battles... Good stuff.
So it ripped off Alien?
Also....I....happen to be fond....of....Mr. Shatner......myself.....but....I'll.... stay away from.....his...airline tickets.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 04, 2007, 05:11:37 PM
Go watch Star Trek II and tell me you don't like Star Trek. Everybody likes Star Trek II. Aliens that enter your body through your ears and feed off your brain tissue, crazy psychopaths murdering space station crews, intense ship battles... Good stuff.
So it ripped off Alien?
Not at all. Not even close, actually. You just need to see it.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Kitsunexus on November 04, 2007, 05:18:10 PM
If this is the KHAAAAAAAAAN! movie then I've seen it. And that bug thing is cheesy.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 05, 2007, 02:39:12 AM
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And that bug thing is cheesy.
Really? Hmm. To each their own, but those bugs have always freaked me out. Anyway, I have no objectivity on this subject.....look at my name. :P
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 05, 2007, 03:10:44 AM
THIS is Ceta Alpha V!!!!!!
Yeah, Kitsunexus is crazy. Those effects were excellent for the time period, and they still hold up pretty well today. Definitely better than the generic CGI crap studios use nowadays. You want to talk about cheesy, eh?
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Necromancer on November 05, 2007, 03:16:21 AM
Not all Star Trek is really boring. A lot of the recent TV shows have been shit, but the movies (and most of the original series) are masterpieces 9 times out of 10.
You probably watched some Voyager or last-season Next Generation episodes and turned the channel out of boredom. I don't blame you... But even within the "Star Trek" realm itself, the stuff is all very very different depending on when it was produced and who wrote it. A lot of the 80's stuff had more action elements, while a great majority of the stuff produced in the 90's and this century was soap-opera-in-space type crap.
I personally liked The Next Generation for the most part, but by the 7th season it seemed like everyone was sleepwalking through their parts and it just got real boring. TNG peaked, IMO during season 2 and/or 3. It was like the original series on steroids, and the stories were all relatively fast-paced and interesting. There are probably only like 1 or 2 bad episodes to show for both those years combined.
And BTW, it was Scotty who created the transparent aluminum. He tried to give the formula to a Mac Plus by talking to the mouse. Good times.
My sentiments exactly. What amazes me most about Star Trek is how many people recognize the cast for their work on the first series, even though it only ran for seventy some episodes. The movies certainly helped cement the actors in peoples brains, but it seems that everyone remembers the cheesy sets and sometimes goofy dialog of the television show, yet they can't recall much about the movies. The one line I usually hear is "Is that the one with the whales?".
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 05, 2007, 01:58:00 PM
I loved Next Gen from the beginning all the way to the end. The space opera stuff really appeals to me, and once in a while when the show attempted really grand stuff it really shined. Inner Light, for example, is one of my favorite pieces of SciFi ever, and I judge SciFi pretty harshly (since %99.99 of it is utter shit).
I didn't appreciate the original series until the late 90s, and only then did I understand how great it was.
The sad truth though is that one book by P.K. Dick, Asimov, Clarke, Hignland is better than 100 eps of Star Trek the vast majority of the time. SciFi TV is so bad, and don't even get me started on the SciFi channel.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 05, 2007, 03:22:27 PM
What I really hated was Season 3 of "Enterprise" with being away in that whole sector of space the whole time and a suddenly super pissed-off Scott Bakula. That was lame. Few to no episodes from that season can stand on their own because they depend to much on the ongoing backstory.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 05, 2007, 05:02:42 PM
That Inner Light episode is held in such high regard by so many fans, but I can't stand it. Possibly the most boring Star Trek episode ever....
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 05, 2007, 05:16:44 PM
Which one is that?
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 05, 2007, 11:37:20 PM
I forgot to mention that I absolutely hate DS9 and Voyager.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Necromancer on November 06, 2007, 02:35:42 AM
I forgot to mention that I absolutely hate DS9 and Voyager.
Voyager mostly sucked, but Jeri Ryan's lovely outfits makes it quite tolerable for me. :wink:
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 06, 2007, 03:25:29 AM
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What I really hated was Season 3 of "Enterprise" with being away in that whole sector of space the whole time and a suddenly super pissed-off Scott Bakula. That was lame. Few to no episodes from that season can stand on their own because they depend to much on the ongoing backstory.
Agreed. That third season was crap. It was a complete waste of time. It was a stupid arc to begin with and it would have been nice if the arc wasn't so encompassing that there could have been some stand alone episodes. But if the arc story was cool to begin with maybe that wouldn't have been such a problem.
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+1. Someone please jog my memory about the Inner Light episode. Think
That's the episode where the Enterprise encounters a probe which makes some sort of telepathic connection with Picard. Picard ends up living a life inside his brain on a planet who's star is about to die, but it only seems like seconds on the bridge of the Enterprise.
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I forgot to mention that I absolutely hate DS9 and Voyager.
Voyager was terrible, but DS9 was awesome. TOS is the best, but DS9 is second in my books. TNG was OK during seasons 3 to 5, but before and after these seasons the show was hit and miss....and mostly missed. The last couple seasons it was like they were just biding their time for the movies to come out. And don't even get me started on the TNG movies. What a steamy pile of shit those movies were.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 06, 2007, 03:26:42 AM
I can't watch Voyager either, Zeta.
I didn't like DS9 initially... But now I really like a lot of the episodes. Some are too soap opera-y for me though.
The "Inner Light" episode is that one where some alien probe zaps Picard while he's on the bridge and downloads an entire life's experiences and memories into his head in a matter of seconds. He thinks he's living this life of a guy living on a planet where the sun is dying. He learns to play the flute and generally feels sorry for himself and everyone on his planet since they are all going to die. Then he dies and wakes up back on the bridge and Crusher is like, "It was all a dream! You were only out 30 seconds."
It's an interesting premise for a story, but I personally find the actual story about his life as the guy living on the planet just boring. Nothing exciting or interesting happens, it's like watching a TV show on how to play the flute. The horrible soundtrack featured in this episode doesn't help, either. It's like the composer was trying to write music designed to make people fall asleep.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Necromancer on November 06, 2007, 03:43:50 AM
Thanks ceti alpha and nat. I remember that episode now, and you're right nat - it was dull and uninspired.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 06, 2007, 03:51:28 AM
"The Visitor" on DS9 was a really good episode. Really did a lot to establish the importance of Sisko and Jake's father and son relationship.
One of my favourite DS9 episodes though (and there are many) has to be "In the Pale Moonlight". The Federation is losing the war with the Dominion and Sisko tries to bring the Romulans in on the game. It's a must watch. This episode is a prime example of how DS9 was willing to take risks with the stories and characters, something that TNG and Voyager never did. Or if they did they always pressed the reset button at the end of the episode. [-X
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Joe Redifer on November 06, 2007, 10:19:59 AM
Is that "Inner Light" the one where Picard is scraggling around while growing old and he has long hair (where he has hair) and the episode lasts about 9 hours? Or am I thinking of a different boring TNG episode? I ask because the description of the episode sounds vaguely familiar, but I've likely only seen it once when I was 15 years old. I hated Wesley Crusher, especially his super-lame uniform.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: SignOfZeta on November 06, 2007, 10:51:31 AM
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 06, 2007, 10:52:05 AM
That sounds about right. Wesley was lame, I agree.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 06, 2007, 03:48:31 PM
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Wesley was lame, I agree.
I think that's pretty much a unanimous opinion. heh. Even Wil Wheaton agrees. There's just no denying it. I don't blame Wil Wheaton; his character was just written poorly. I think someone talked about that here already, but I thought I'd reiterate.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 16, 2007, 02:06:29 AM
Well, I went to see "The Menagerie" last night and it was awesome. 8) The 4:3 ratio wasn't a big deal since they blew it up really big on the screen. I just wish they did this more often.
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: nat on November 16, 2007, 02:58:06 AM
Yeah, it looked great.
The theatre I went to was sold out. How about yours?
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: ceti alpha on November 16, 2007, 07:44:53 AM
It wasn't sold out, but I'm guessing the Tuesday showing was much busier. I'll ask the theater employees next time I'm over there to see how it did the first night.
But there was an alright crowd.
When the show started I was almost tearing up with glee. :mrgreen:
Title: Re: Star Trek (TOS) "The Menagerie" (Remastered) in theatres Nov 13 and 15
Post by: Kitsunexus on November 16, 2007, 07:04:04 PM