That's another thing, why do people hate on the 3D0? EVERY SINGLE GAME IN THAT ENTIRE LIBRARY IS A f*ckING GEM. A f*ckING GEM!
A lot of people hate on the 3DO simply because they have never owned one. It is a nice system with an interesting library of software. The goldstar controllers and JPN Panasonic ones with the headphone in the controller port was one of the best ideas in gaming, ever. I love playing Starblade on the 3DO while enjoying blaring sound from my Sony V6 headphones.
Not to mention I have never been able to get a PC to run Megarace without stuttering in the video, but with the 3DO I can show off the crapiness of each FMV segment, in all its b-movie glory. Oh yeah and Sewer Shark on the 3DO is lightyears ahead of the Sega CD version in terms of quality, same with Night Trap. Night Trap plays like a working piece of software on the 3DO. The quality is good enough you can actually tell what the things are you are supposed to interact with :dance: Having Creature Shock on the TV with all the lights off and the stereo on still gets my heart going at times. Strahl is also a great anime FMV game, which is actually more playable than frustrating. Really, only a few rare parts of the game might kill you, but it's still fun to watch/play.
And I pimp it in nearly every 3DO thread I write in, Digital Dreamware is a fun title but impossible to emulate. The 3DO itself is not powerful (the software could probably be optimised some too) to run the real time graphics at times. Not that they are super impressive, but they are pretty retro.
The following is a list I made on another site of the 3DO games I had played I liked: Another World Brain Dead 13 (does not stutter like the PS1 version! gives directions on screen unlike PS1 version!!!) Creature Shock 2 D&D games Digital Dreamware Dragons Lair 2: Time Warp Flashback Gex (the best version by far) Lucienne's Quest Lucienne's Quest 2 (only in Japanese) Megarace (again the best version, I only call this good for the priceless clips between the races, priceless) Policenauts with addons (again in Japanese, but worth checking out for Kojima fans) Pyramid Intruder (sweet jeebis, this game rocks!!! Unless you own the LD version it's the only other way to play it) Return Fire - RTS goodness, yes the 3DO had a few RTSs (even a mouse) Sewer Shark (again, by far the best version of the game ever released) Shockwave Shockwave Operation Jumpgate Shockwave 2 Space Ace (though the death screen could be better, less intrusive) Space Hulk (much better than PC version, more missions) Star Control 2 - Gods Own Copy...well that's what I call it at least Strahl Starblade (for some reason the best version also...even though superior consoles have done it since) The Last Starfighter The Horde
Lastly one of the best things about many of the 3DO models is that they have a tray based CD drive and an access light :clap:
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 28, 2007, 07:39:50 PM
You forgot Iron Angel of the Apocalypse, Wicked 18 (also on SNES), Neurodancer (although I doubt you would want to play that :wink:), Immercenary, Killing Time (I like this on PC), and of course, PRIMAL RAGE!!!!
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: WoodyXP on December 28, 2007, 07:42:15 PM
It was hated back in the day.. I can tell you that. It was expensive.. like $700+ expensive and not too long after it was released the Saturn and Playstation were released and ended up selling for alot less. Developers started favoring the Playstation and everything went down hill from there.
It was a good system... but it got undercut by the cheaper, technically superior consoles.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: nat on December 28, 2007, 07:44:01 PM
Hahaha, 3DO.
The only thing I know about the 3DO is the commercials. Shit I remember those like it was yesterday. Those commercials were like a f*cking filibuster, constantly, every commercial break back in like '93 or whenever it was.
I've never been terribly interested in the console, although I remember those commercials made it seem like it was the wave of the future.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: WoodyXP on December 28, 2007, 07:50:21 PM
The only thing I know about the 3DO is the commercials. Shit I remember those like it was yesterday. Those commercials were like a f*cking filibuster, constantly, every commercial break back in like '93 or whenever it was.
I've never been terribly interested in the console, although I remember those commercials made it seem like it was the wave of the future.
Word.. they also had paid commercials that ran for like 30mins. They made me drool to be honest... but after witnessing one first hand at my Rich-Kid friend's house I came back down to earth. I still dig the system... but damn.. $700? If you factor in inflation the 3D0 is probably the most expensive console of all time.. and it ended up shitting the bed.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 28, 2007, 08:10:59 PM
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Gex (the best version by far)
Yeah, if you like crap. The 3DO version scrolls extremely jerky. The Saturn version scrolls smoothly and as a result is much more playable (it also helps that the Saturn has a real controller). The game is still boring on any platform, though.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on December 28, 2007, 08:11:13 PM
I can't think of a system I hate. The closest would be the Xbox, with the Xbox 360 right next to it, because I hate Bill Gates. Otherwise, I love it all....well, Game.com is pretty crappy, can't think of any games on it I enjoy, but, even stuff like the Gamate & Super Vision, I dig.
Games I dig, for one reason, or another, on the 3DO, taken from my list of games I own: Ballz Battlesport Blade Force Bust-A-Move Cannon Fodder Captain Quazar Crash n Burn Cyberdillo Dragon Lore Fifa Soccer Fun 'N' Games Gex Gridders Guardian War The Horde Ice Breaker The Incredible Machine Insector War Jammit Kingdom: The Far Reaches Lost Eden Lucienne's Quest Mazer The Need for Speed Off World Interceptor Olympic Soccer Out of this World Phoenix 3 PO'ed Policenauts Return Fire Return Fire Map's o' Death Road Rash Samurai Showdown Scramble Cobra Shockwave Operation Shockwave Operation Jumpgate Shockwave 2 Slam n Jam 95 Soccer Kid Space Hulk Star Fighter Star Wars Rebel Assault Strahl Syndicate Theme Park Total Eclipse Trip'd Wolfenstien 3D
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 28, 2007, 08:14:41 PM
Yeah, if you like crap. The 3DO version scrolls extremely jerky. The Saturn version scrolls smoothly and as a result is much more playable (it also helps that the Saturn has a real controller). The game is still boring on any platform, though.
Exactly. Gex 2: Enter the Gecko for PS1 is the BEST Gex ever!
I can't think of a system I hate. The closest would be the Xbox, with the Xbox 360 right next to it, because I hate Bill Gates.
That's just stupid. Xbox 360 has a TON of great games, plus XBL Arcade is really good, and even the original Xbox had some great games like Jet Set Radio Future, and it can be hacked into a great media center.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: MissaFX on December 28, 2007, 08:16:23 PM
I never knew there was a Gex on the Saturn. Can you save your gameplay with it as well and watch it again?
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: nat on December 28, 2007, 08:17:42 PM
I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the f*ck is wrong with you?!?
I can't think of a system I hate. The closest would be the Xbox, with the Xbox 360 right next to it, because I hate Bill Gates.
That's just stupid. Xbox 360 has a TON of great games, plus XBL Arcade is really good, and even the original Xbox had some great games like Jet Set Radio Future, and it can be hacked into a great media center.
But the Micropenis is evil and doesn't deserve to be supported in any way.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 28, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on December 28, 2007, 08:58:57 PM
Meh, there's no games that really interest me. For instance, I've played Halo 3 & Gears of War. They're ok, but, I don't want to own them. Maybe if they were on PS3, & were budget priced, I'd think about picking up Halo, cuz it's decent, but, to me, it's overhyped, which is annoying. I have some Xbox games, & 1 360 game(Perfect Dark, stupid Microsoft owns Rare) for the day when I may pick up a 360....when the price drops really low, & their systems stop dying on people(most the people I know around here, are on their 2nd or 3rd 360...I'm still on my 1st PS2 from 2002 :)
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: MissaFX on December 28, 2007, 09:02:11 PM
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I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the f*ck is wrong with you?!?
I'm watching the Fururama marathon, any self respecting person is dawg. Fo' real. [-(
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 28, 2007, 09:04:09 PM
I used to be pissed too, but hear me out, after I let my fanboy hardon shrivel, I saw the truth: Nintendo was just being smart buisness-wise.
They knew that while Rare was a good developer, they were NOWHERE near godlike status, but they sold them as such, and made a killing, while Rare's Microsoft efforts have been well, lackluster to say the least.
So honestly, can you really blame Nintendo? They just saw the writing on the wall and did something about it. That's Nintendo for you, to us it looks like they make stupid mistakes, but they're not stupid, they know what they're doing (take off every Zig).
I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the f*ck is wrong with you?!?
I've always thought the same thing... being on the other side of the world and all. I'm glad you all stay awake.. keeps me company.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on December 28, 2007, 10:31:58 PM
I agree, the only decent thing to come out of Rare post Nintendo, is Perfect Dark Zero, which I have yet to play, I just hear it's ok. But, even though I'm not a big FPS'ist (I made a new word!), I LOVED the original Perfect Dark, so, yeah, I had to get the prequal.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 29, 2007, 04:38:04 AM
I loved the 3DO. To me it had the most interesting titles,and yea pretty much the best version of Mega Race. Crash and Burn was great also,infact any Cristal Dynamics titles were top notch. I had no probs with Gex on 3DO,and rather ran it instead of the Saturn or PSX one. I didnt notice any jerky movement to be honest. Always played the 3DO in s-video too.
Some of my very fav titles for the system are Road Rash,NFS,D,Crash and Burn,heck,all the Cristal Dynamics titles really,Way of the Warrior (yes I can do the combos,special moves, and fatalities just fine),Bust a Move,Samurai Showdown,Super SF2 Turbo,Trip'd,Star Blade,Burning Soldier,Strale,Guardian War,Primal Rage,Wolfenstien 3D,Out of this World,FlashBack,Mega Race,Syndicate,Shockwave series,esp part 2,Wing Commander 3 and Super Wing Commander,Demolition Man,Return Fire, Panzer General,Slayer, and many others.
Thats a system I never tire of. I am going to have to pick one up again soon. Its been a couple of years since I last had a couple of decks, back when I was with my ex,and she always complained of space and my hobbies.....bad memories.... :P
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: guyjin on December 29, 2007, 06:04:45 AM
I'm always amazed you people are up so late. I'm in the Pacific Time Zone which means it's earlier than anywhere else in the lower 48. It's after 1am here which means it must be 2, 3, 4am where you people live. What the f*ck is wrong with you?!?
I have a 2nd shift job - from 1 to 9 pm, central time. I'm not a morning person, so I've gotten in the habit of waking up at 10 or 11 AM and going to bed at 2 or 3.
The 3D0 interests me. I keep meaning to pick one up (right after that 7800); I'm sure it can't be worse than the playstation. But it can't be as good as the Saturn.
The 360 is a decent system. Not as good as the Wii, of course, but good. There are a few of it's live arcade games that I'm sure most of you would love (geometry wars, pac man CE, and Castlevania:SotN) and a few discs too (Wartech:senko no ronde, Dead Rising, and idolm@ster, if they ever bring it over.)
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 29, 2007, 07:31:31 AM
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The 3D0 interests me. I keep meaning to pick one up (right after that 7800); I'm sure it can't be worse than the playstation. But it can't be as good as the Saturn.
I hate to break it to you but the 3DO, no matter what anyone says here, was a piece of a shit, and it still is. The only game I can imagine playing on it in the year 2007 is Return Fire (and the Maps of Death expansion) because I prefer the iconic Willys MB to a stupid Hummer in the PS version.
I'm a hardcore Saturn fan and I didn't buy my Playstation until 2002, but the truth is that the system had such a massive library that it accidentally ended up hosting, at the very least, 30-40 good titles, which is ten times the quality library of the 3DO.
People who defend the 3DO are the same sort that defend the Jag (although even the 3DO is better than the Jag, if for no other reason that it having Policenauts). It takes a severe politically motivated slant to defend garbage like that. Even the games that were in fact worth playing at the time, such as SSFIIX, SamShow, and Policenauts were later (or previously) made availible on other systems as superior versions. SamShow has horrible sound for some reason, SFII has no parallax, etc.
Also, that virtual house game as the worst loading time of any game on any system in history.
If you'd like a list of PS exclusive games a Saturn lover would totally dig:
Gunners Heaven (JP) Super Robot Wars Alpha (JP) Love and Destroy (JP) Zeta Gundam (JP) The Italian Job (US) Any of the Gundam Battle Master/Battle Assault series. I would recommend the US release, Gundam: Battle Assault 2. Choro Q 3 (or 1, or 2 for that matter) The entire Point Blank series Eretzvaju (JP) Power Shovel (I think there is a US release) Remote Control Dandy Touge Max G (JP) Asuka 120% Burning Fest. Final (JP) Gamera 2000 (JP) Tobal 2 (JP) RC Stunt Copter (US) RD de Go! (US) I.Q. Intelligent Qube (I think there is a US version, not sure)
And a crapload more. Notice I didn't mention Turismo, FF, RE, or any of that other shit. Those are all PS exclusive (I think) and if a US version was available I mentioned it except for Eretzvaju because the US version sucks.
BTW, I was just looking around at this stuff and noticed that evidently a PS version of Radikal Bikers, a game I loved in the arcade, was released in 1999. That is news to me. I'll have to see if its any good...
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 29, 2007, 08:06:01 AM
Most of the titles I listed were done best on or are 3DO exclusives,and Sam Sho 1 on PS1 import Sam 1/2 collection was not as good a port over all. The 3DO one was handled much better. Super SF 2 Turbo was ported over well in a SF Alpha 2/SSF2 set for Saturn and PS1,but regardless of this the 3DO one was nice,the paralax being the only flaw,and that is a minor gripe.
I totally respect your opinion on how YOU feel about the games,but that doesn't make the games we like for the system complete garbage. Its just a matter of differing opinions. The only way a person will know for sure if they likes the stuff or not is to try it themselves,not to take everyones word for it.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 29, 2007, 08:19:09 AM
If you'd like a list of PS exclusive games a Saturn lover would totally dig:
Gunners Heaven (JP) Super Robot Wars Alpha (JP) Love and Destroy (JP) Zeta Gundam (JP) The Italian Job (US) Any of the Gundam Battle Master/Battle Assault series. I would recommend the US release, Gundam: Battle Assault 2. Choro Q 3 (or 1, or 2 for that matter) The entire Point Blank series Eretzvaju (JP) Power Shovel (I think there is a US release) Remote Control Dandy Touge Max G (JP) Asuka 120% Burning Fest. Final (JP) Gamera 2000 (JP) Tobal 2 (JP) RC Stunt Copter (US) RD de Go! (US) I.Q. Intelligent Qube (I think there is a US version, not sure)
A good example of what I said would be how on this list of yours the only titles I like are Tobal 2,Asuka 120,and Gunners Heaven. The other titles you listed gave me no enjoyment at all...just shows how much opinions and likes of titles can differ.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: WoodyXP on December 29, 2007, 04:05:37 PM
The 3DO for what it is today is pretty decent, IMO. It's cheap fun.. for $50 you can get a system and a little pile of games and go at it. Cheap fun is good... ironically this is what turned me on to the 3DO. :lol:
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: SignOfZeta on December 29, 2007, 05:20:01 PM
Most of the titles I listed were done best on or are 3DO exclusives,and Sam Sho 1 on PS1 import Sam 1/2 collection was not as good a port over all.
Yes, that is why I referred to multi-platform games on 3DO that, "...were later (or previously) made availible on other systems as superior versions". "Previously" being the case here with SamShow. Until the PS2 collection comes out (Is it ever coming out? Did it already come out?) there still hasn't been a good port of SS1. Hilariously at the time the Neo Geo was actually a cheaper system than the 3DO. Nowadays an MVS or AES cart of SS1 can easily be had for less than $10 (probably cheaper than a copy of the 3DO version) although the system will obviously cost you some real cash.
Was SS1 the Geo game that came out in the US at $99.99? Or was that KOF95. I remember there being a really good high profile game that cost $99.99 as some sort of attempt to actually sell AES carts. I can't remember what it was though.
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Super SF 2 Turbo was ported over well in a SF Alpha 2/SSF2 set for Saturn and PS1,but regardless of this the 3DO one was nice,the paralax being the only flaw,and that is a minor gripe.
At the time it was a minor gripe (so is the sucky sucky music in the 3DO version) but now that really good versions of Super Turbo have been released for PS2 and XBLA (also the not-quite perfect PS, and SS versions) the 3DO one is basically worthless, isn't it? No, its worse than worthless because on the 3DO you are going to have to f*ck around trying to find a decent controller or build a 3DO stick since it is SF after all, and if you can't control it, it has no purpose.
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I totally respect your opinion on how YOU feel about the games,but that doesn't make the games we like for the system complete garbage. Its just a matter of differing opinions. The only way a person will know for sure if they likes the stuff or not is to try it themselves,not to take everyones word for it.
Yeah, whatever, my point is that the PS, as much of a harbringer of doom it was for 2D lovers like myself, has way way way more good games if for no other reason than the fact that it just has a shitload of games in general. If you actually, truly, enjoy crap like Road Rash more than Choro Q 3...I just don't know what to say.
And if you like Way of the Warrior at all...you just like crap. With a spoon even.
Do you like Fight for Life more than Virtua Fighter also?
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Necromancer on December 29, 2007, 06:00:18 PM
I like the 3DO now, but there's no way that I would've spent anywhere near $700 for a new one. Sure it has a limited library, but the few gems that it does have are quite entertaining.
But the Micropenis is evil and doesn't deserve to be supported in any way.
I have equal disdain for all three companies. Both Sony and Nintendo have a history of strong arming third party developers, and at least MS extended the warranties on the 360 (something Sony never did for the failure prone PS1 and PS2).
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 29, 2007, 06:28:48 PM
Most of the titles I listed were done best on or are 3DO exclusives,and Sam Sho 1 on PS1 import Sam 1/2 collection was not as good a port over all.
Yes, that is why I referred to multi-platform games on 3DO that, "...were later (or previously) made availible on other systems as superior versions". "Previously" being the case here with SamShow. Until the PS2 collection comes out (Is it ever coming out? Did it already come out?) there still hasn't been a good port of SS1. Hilariously at the time the Neo Geo was actually a cheaper system than the 3DO. Nowadays an MVS or AES cart of SS1 can easily be had for less than $10 (probably cheaper than a copy of the 3DO version) although the system will obviously cost you some real cash.
Was SS1 the Geo game that came out in the US at $99.99? Or was that KOF95. I remember there being a really good high profile game that cost $99.99 as some sort of attempt to actually sell AES carts. I can't remember what it was though.
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Super SF 2 Turbo was ported over well in a SF Alpha 2/SSF2 set for Saturn and PS1,but regardless of this the 3DO one was nice,the paralax being the only flaw,and that is a minor gripe.
At the time it was a minor gripe (so is the sucky sucky music in the 3DO version) but now that really good versions of Super Turbo have been released for PS2 and XBLA (also the not-quite perfect PS, and SS versions) the 3DO one is basically worthless, isn't it? No, its worse than worthless because on the 3DO you are going to have to f*ck around trying to find a decent controller or build a 3DO stick since it is SF after all, and if you can't control it, it has no purpose.
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I totally respect your opinion on how YOU feel about the games,but that doesn't make the games we like for the system complete garbage. Its just a matter of differing opinions. The only way a person will know for sure if they likes the stuff or not is to try it themselves,not to take everyones word for it.
Yeah, whatever, my point is that the PS, as much of a harbringer of doom it was for 2D lovers like myself, has way way way more good games if for no other reason than the fact that it just has a shitload of games in general. If you actually, truly, enjoy crap like Road Rash more than Choro Q 3...I just don't know what to say.
And if you like Way of the Warrior at all...you just like crap. With a spoon even.
Do you like Fight for Life more than Virtua Fighter also?
You are resorting to more of a insult/attack now just because I wont agree with you. Why should we all like what you like? Why are you being so whiny when no one agrees with you? Why do you have such a problem with people who don't agree with you? Why would you continue to post in a 3DO thread knowing you will have few if any who will relate to you in any way or agree with you. Why why why...... :P Seriously,you have already stressed your point that you hate the system,now you sound like a broken record.
Every time 3DO comes up,you get all PMS about it.No,I don't like Fight for Life,it sucked hardcore and was unplayable,no matter what controller you used. I like Virtua Fighter quite a bit.More then Tekken infact. I also like Last Bronx and Fighting Vipers
I have no interest in adding a PS 2 system to my line up at the moment. I have a few PS 2 titles set away for later,when I decide to get a deck again. I like the Samurai Showdown 1 port on 3DO no matter what,regardless of owning it on NeoGeo,so your argument there is moot. I love the music on the SSF2 Turbo port on 3DO,so again your point is moot,its only your expressed opinion,it doesn't apply to everyone here. Road Rash for 3DO is a classic,and it played better on it then on PS1 or Saturn. The only real good port of it from 3DO to anything was on PC. Same for NFS.
I have no problem with the 3DO FZ10 pads for games,or the FZ-1 after I modify it for better thumb pad movement. The Goldstar pad I hate.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on December 29, 2007, 06:36:33 PM
So far, SNK has released the Metal Slug collection (1-6), Art of Fighting collection,(1-3) & Vol. 1 of the Fatal Fury games(1-3). There's plenty more to come, hopefully they'll keep bringing them out. I hope the 2 Last Blades are on some collection as well, though I do have the 2nd one for DC. But, the Last Blades & Samurai Showdowns are probably still my favorite fighting series. One thing I doubt, but hope for, is the NGCD version of SSRPG, that would rock being in english, though, I would feel bad for Deuce who's been translating it for a patch.
I never could get into the Choro Q games, I tried, but, I just didn't like em. I do however love Road Rash for 3DO. It's probably my favorite Road Rash game.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: MissaFX on December 29, 2007, 07:04:22 PM
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I have no problem with the 3DO FZ10 pads for games,or the FZ-1 after I modify it for better thumb pad movement. The Goldstar pad I hate.
Why? Mine have better d-pads than the Panasinic ones or my 6-button junk controller. The Goldstar ones are a little stiff at first, but once you break it in, I sware it is most accurate and comfortable 3DO d-pad (at least that I know of).
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 29, 2007, 07:38:44 PM
I have no problem with the 3DO FZ10 pads for games,or the FZ-1 after I modify it for better thumb pad movement. The Goldstar pad I hate.
Why? Mine have better d-pads than the Panasinic ones or my 6-button junk controller. The Goldstar ones are a little stiff at first, but once you break it in, I sware it is most accurate and comfortable 3DO d-pad (at least that I know of).
I couldn't use it on any of the fighters. It wasn't comfortable at all for me. It was about as bad as using the pad that came with Zhadnost: The People's Party. I hated that pad too. I'm very picky about what types of game pads I will use.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 29, 2007, 07:44:02 PM
Weren't the Goldstar pads the legendary ones that you had to slightly unscrew to stop being stiff? Was that a production error or deisgn flaw?
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 29, 2007, 08:23:43 PM
Weren't the Goldstar pads the legendary ones that you had to slightly unscrew to stop being stiff? Was that a production error or deisgn flaw?
Actually it was some of the first FZ-1 pads that had that issue,but the trick was to unscrew the pads top area near the thumb pad,and insert a wedge of paper or cardboard in a area that wouldn't bother your hand. This would make the thumb pad much more lax and easier to use.
This trick did also work on the Goldstar and Zhadnost pad,but still didn't help the latter one much. These days with a dremel kit its easier to mod pads then it was in the early 90ies,as you have seen with my Nes Max pad.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 29, 2007, 08:25:31 PM
Weren't the Goldstar pads the legendary ones that you had to slightly unscrew to stop being stiff? Was that a production error or deisgn flaw?
Actually it was some of the first FZ-1 pads that had that issue,but the trick was to unscrew the pads top area near the thumb pad,and insert a wedge of paper or cardboard in a area that wouldn't bother your hand. This would make the thumb pad much more lax and easier to use.
This trick did also work on the Goldstar and Zhadnost pad,but still didn't help the latter one much. These days with a dremel kit its easier to mod pads then it was in the early 90ies,as you have seen with my Nes Max pad.
Cool, thanks for the info! ^_^
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: WoodyXP on December 29, 2007, 08:57:34 PM
Try the FZ-JS1 Joystick if you're not enjoying the pads. It's laid out like a Neo Geo stick.. with some extra buttons.. turbos.. ect. It takes a little getting use to, since the buttons are a little more cranked to the left(your right index finger points closer to you) but after you get past that it's not a bad stick.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: FM-77 on December 30, 2007, 01:33:34 AM
The 360 is a decent system. Not as good as the Wii, of course, but good.
Ha ha ha! You must be f*cking kidding me! Your fanboyism never seizes to amaze! I actually thought you were one of those semi-fanboys that kinda like something other than Nintendo, but obviously you don't. You're just another retarded Nintendo fanboy. Name ONE f*cking advantage the Wii has over the 360! ONE!
Man, Nintendo motherf*cking sucks so much.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on December 30, 2007, 02:03:34 AM
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Ha ha ha! You must be f*cking kidding me! Your fanboyism never seizes to amaze! I actually thought you were one of those semi-fanboys that kinda like something other than Nintendo, but obviously you don't. You're just another retarded Nintendo fanboy. Name ONE f*cking advantage the Wii has over the 360! ONE!
OK Michael Helgeson, I think in your quest to quash disagreement, and your love of mod censorship, you should probably start working on this facist zealot.
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 30, 2007, 05:24:09 AM
Weird,so I guess I'm a Nintendo fanboy also. I like the Wii more then the 360 also. I have alot more fun with it. Anything else released on 360 I want to play is on pc also,which I have too obviously. Currently this means I have no reason to own a 360 system. I prob will eventually,but just not right now.
I love first person shooters that are done well,but I can't play them with standard controllers.The Wiis fps titles were the first I could play well,otherwise I'm strictly a keyboard and mouse person on those so I stick to the pc versions. The NFS titles are always released on pc too.Typically this goes for about anything else on 360 I like,its also on PC.
I'm not on a quest to quash disagreement,I just think its stupid to make personal attacks at someone simply because they like games or systems you don't. Its low and pety. You don't have to like it or understand it,but you def need to keep the insults or personal attacks to yourselves. Feel free to say why you hate the system all you want,I got no problem with that,just don't get all pissy when someone doesn't agree with you,k?
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Post by: guyjin on December 30, 2007, 07:24:10 AM
The 360 is a decent system. Not as good as the Wii, of course, but good.
You're just another retarded Nintendo fanboy.
Then why do I have every Sega console other than the SG-1000?
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Name ONE f*cking advantage the Wii has over the 360! ONE!
I'll name several. 1) it's controllers are awesome. they're wireless and don't weigh a ton, like the wireless 360 controllers. If you don't think so, fine, but 13 million people disagree.
2) Better online strategy. YA RLY. It's a commonly known fact that the internet is made of a series of tubes, but did you know that these tubes are an infinite douche recycling system? Any online game is going to be filled with these douches. You can block/blacklist them all you want, but the internet will always make more. For Smash Bros, (and online DS games, incidentally) it works on a whitelist system; only people you know can play with you. all the a$$holes are filtered out with no effort on your part. If one of your friends turns out to be an ass, you can remove them. It's pure genius.
3) it's not overloaded with FPSes. if you like that genre, fine, the 360 is the system for you. but I don't, and it seems like every other game for the 360 is an FPS.
4) good first party titles. I have yet to regret purchasing a game made by Nintendo for the Wii. I can't even name a Microsoft 1st party title. If that makes me a Nintendo fanboy, so be it.
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Post by: GUTS on December 30, 2007, 07:28:22 AM
I like the 3D0, I had some good times with it after buying one for $50 back in 96 or so. It's a way better system than Wii, that's for f*cking sure. The Wii is the harbinger of a return to the stone age of 3D gaming with its sub-PS2 graphics and retarded, ULTRA ridiculous controller that everybody pretends to like and calls "innovative" even though every f*cking game is the same shit we've been playing for 10 years just with waggling instead of pressing a button. Innovation is coming up with a new type of game idea- not a shitty, gimmicky, imprecise way to control old game ideas.
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 30, 2007, 08:05:44 AM
Weird lol,I thought the Wiis graphics were alot better then PS2 myself when games were compared side by side,and I love the controller set up on alot of games. It doesn't work for everything,but stuff made specifically for it works well. I have no complaints. Games for it will improve over time too as people learn to use the ATI graphics chip better and optimize for the cpu.
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Post by: Black Tiger on December 30, 2007, 09:34:17 AM
1) it's controllers are awesome. they're wireless and don't weigh a ton, like the wireless 360 controllers. If you don't think so, fine, but 13 million people disagree.
They're still not as good for playing games with real controls and almost all Wii games make terrible use of the Wii controller features. Most decent Wii games would play better on a Gamecube pad.
Most things that are popular are crap that cater to the lowest common denominator, so popularity doesn't make the Wii controllers better(and I don't think that their are 13 million more Wiis than 360's sold). :wink:
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2) Better online strategy. YA RLY. It's a commonly known fact that the internet is made of a series of tubes, but did you know that these tubes are an infinite douche recycling system? Any online game is going to be filled with these douches. You can block/blacklist them all you want, but the internet will always make more. For Smash Bros, (and online DS games, incidentally) it works on a whitelist system; only people you know can play with you. all the a$$holes are filtered out with no effort on your part. If one of your friends turns out to be an ass, you can remove them. It's pure genius.
EGM had a feature recently, where they asked fans of non-Halo FPS's how their game better is than Halo 3. More than one game's players gave the excuse that because its so unpopular, they don't encounter as many a$$holes. Its kinda like arguing that the TG-16 was better than the Genesis and SNES because you couldn't find the hardware or games for sale in very many stores and when you did, you didn't have to fight anyone for the last copy.
But the "genius" a$$hole filtering system of Wii games is actually an extremely crude version of Xbox Live's Friends list. Most online games allow you to play with who you want, in custom games and other ways as well as matchmaking.
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3) it's not overloaded with FPSes. if you like that genre, fine, the 360 is the system for you. but I don't, and it seems like every other game for the 360 is an FPS.
The 360 has the most variety of games of the 'current' generation. Everyone knows that the Wii is drowning in gimmicky garbage that Nintendo should be ashamed of granting licenses for in the first place. Other than waggle games, is their any other genre that the 360 doesn't crush the Wii(other than maybe platformers)?
The PC Engine may be overloaded with shooters, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a ton of other types of games too.
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4) good first party titles. I have yet to regret purchasing a game made by Nintendo for the Wii. I can't even name a Microsoft 1st party title. If that makes me a Nintendo fanboy, so be it.
Unfortunately, their are only a handful of decent first party Wii games. You could argue that the top tier 360 exclusive titles don't greatly out number the Wii's(although Dave Halverson says the Wii only has 4), but it also has a bunch more quality titles that are exclusive to the 360/PS3.
And then their are still all the advantages that the Xbox 360 has over the Wii... but it doesn't really matter since people should just buy the console with the most games they want to play. Around here, it seems that most people would rather play Turbo/PCE games than any of the current gen consoles. :wink:
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Post by: guyjin on December 30, 2007, 10:06:06 AM
The Wii is the harbinger of a return to the stone age of 3D gaming with its sub-PS2 graphics and retarded, ULTRA ridiculous controller that everybody pretends to like and calls "innovative" even though every f*cking game is the same shit we've been playing for 10 years just with waggling instead of pressing a button.
Yeah, I don't actually like the wii. I've bought half a dozen games for the thing 'cuz I'm just pretending to like it. :roll: And I find it hilarious that you seem to think the 360, with all its rehashes of PC games, and the PS3, with its rehashes of 360 games, are more innovative than the wii.
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 30, 2007, 10:42:36 AM
I see both party's points of views,but the basic thing is I don't need a 360 because the best games,the majority it has to offer me that I actually like,they are on PC already too and look and run better. One thing I can't get on Pc are the titles me and the kids enjoy on the Wii however. The Wii is more oriented towards the family,and kids,and I am totally fine with that,as it still has titles I want that are suited towards my interest,like the Resident Evils,Guilty Gear,Metal Slug Anthology,Metroid,Naruto,Bleach, and DBZ and others.
I think the features of the 360 were great,as it was finally a system that could give home system gamers the Pc experience gaming wise with high definition/resolution graphics and advanced audio. The hardware design was bad though as far as how many major flaws have been found. Also,the thing is though is that I have been enjoying the Pc experience for years now. There are a couple of unique titles not on pc,but I don't buy systems for just a couple of games. Also,I hate Halo.
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Post by: ParanoiaDragon on December 30, 2007, 10:51:37 AM
BTW, back to 3DO, one game I think looks nice, especially for the time it was released, is this Grand Chef RPG game, I wish it had been localised.
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Post by: Keranu on December 30, 2007, 11:30:14 AM
3DO is awesome.
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Post by: GUTS on December 30, 2007, 12:28:00 PM
Hey dude I never said the 360 or PS3 were innovative, I said the Wii is NOT innovative. Waggling a controller left or right instead of pressing a D-pad to do the same thing is just asinine, not innovative. Nintendo's days of pushing game design forward are long, long over, now they have to rely on stupid gimmicks to sell their sub-par efforts.
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Post by: SignOfZeta on December 30, 2007, 01:15:23 PM
I think you're just a colossal party pooping old man.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: GUTS on December 30, 2007, 05:21:29 PM
If I was an old man I'd love the Wii, that's their target demographic.
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 30, 2007, 05:30:00 PM
LOL,from how the tv ads go,yea man. Its kinda annoying because I'm doubtful a single nursing home is employing Wiis and part of the entertainment/exercise regiment Marketing to the wrong people for sure.
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Post by: Keranu on December 30, 2007, 06:16:41 PM
Now I've defended the Wii on these forums before and being the ultra Wii fanboy snerd I am, I'll defend it again as I feel the Wii is definitely a step in the right direction for modern gaming.
The latest criticism that's been used against the Wii recently is "waggle". First it was two Gamecubes taped together, then it was the mini-games, and now the hip thing to say against it is how you play games by waggling controller. If you actually think about the games, there really isn't that much waggle motion that's being used. Do you simply just waggle to play Wii Sport's Bowling? Marble Mania? Metroid Prime 3? Good luck trying to beat those games just by waggling the controller. Granted there are some gimmicky games that just waggle the controller, like Twilight Princess (a game not exclusively designed for Wii), but sometimes waggling isn't even a bad thing. For instance to do the spin attack in Super Mario Galaxy you can just shack the controller in any fashion and it will execute and unlike Zelda, it actually feels really nice and appropriate and is very simple to do.
Just as I predicted last year, I said by the end of 2007, the Wii would have a pretty nice line up of games and online play would improve and I think both points are right. Most people don't realize it, but the Wii actually has a decent amount of good games right now and since all the attention is focused on Metroid, Mario, and Smash Bros., these games get ignored. Aside from the big exclusive Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy, other games worth playing would be (and not limited to):
Link's Crossbow Training (surprisingly a really good game) Zack & Wiki (a revival of classic PC adventure style games) NiGHTS Journey of Dreams (faithful to the original) Guitar Hero III Ghost Squad Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles Geometry Wars: Galaxies Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn Trauma Center: New Blood Batallion Wars II Super Paper Mario
With at least three of those games offering true online play. While online play for Wii still isn't great, I think it has definitely improved since the beginning of the year and more and more games, both first and third party, are jumping on the online bandwagon. But personally, I think real life multiplayer is way more fun than online anyways.
There is one main (and obvious) advantage Wii has over the other systems and that's it's ability to attract everyone to play it. My parents love the damn thing so it's great to play games with people that I haven't really played with before. Oh and another advantage is that Wii will get you chicks while 360 and PS3 gives you zits. ;)
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 30, 2007, 06:26:38 PM
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Do you simply just waggle to play Wii Sport's Bowling?
Yep. All it takes is a small flick of the wrist to throw strikes every time. Those who feel that they need to stand up to play obviously aren't as smart as the controller. I prefer playing games sitting down in a relaxed position, anyway.
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Oh and another advantage is that Wii will get you chicks while 360 and PS3 gives you zits. ;)
No, from what I've seen, girls are not turned on by the Wii. One girl I showed it to was freaked out by the odd "characters" in Wii bowling who had no arms or legs.
Also, I wish the Wii were as powerful as two Gamecubes taped together. In reality it's closer to 1.2x the Gamecube.
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Post by: Keranu on December 30, 2007, 06:38:02 PM
Do you simply just waggle to play Wii Sport's Bowling?
Yep. All it takes is a small flick of the wrist to throw strikes every time. Those who feel that they need to stand up to play obviously aren't as smart as the controller. I prefer playing games sitting down in a relaxed position, anyway.
Didn't care to comment on the other games, mentioned eh ;) ? You might be able to flick the controller in bowling, but from my experiences that was one game that didn't work well for me while sitting down. Besides standing up for that game feels great.
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Oh and another advantage is that Wii will get you chicks while 360 and PS3 gives you zits. ;)
No, from what I've seen, girls are not turned on by the Wii. One girl I showed it to was freaked out by the odd "characters" in Wii bowling who had no arms or legs.
Wait until they see space dudez from the future launching mega torpedo blasts in Halo!
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Also, I wish the Wii were as powerful as two Gamecubes taped together. In reality it's closer to 1.2x the Gamecube.
Jee, I guess the only reason I should play games is if they use Blast Processing®.
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Post by: guyjin on December 30, 2007, 07:19:08 PM
Now I've defended the Wii on these forums before and being the ultra Wii fanboy snerd I am, I'll defend it again as I feel the Wii is definitely a step in the right direction for modern gaming.
The latest criticism that's been used against the Wii recently is "waggle". First it was two Gamecubes taped together, then it was the mini-games, and now the hip thing to say against it is how you play games by waggling controller. If you actually think about the games, there really isn't that much waggle motion that's being used. Do you simply just waggle to play Wii Sport's Bowling? Marble Mania? Metroid Prime 3? Good luck trying to beat those games just by waggling the controller. Granted there are some gimmicky games that just waggle the controller, like Twilight Princess (a game not exclusively designed for Wii), but sometimes waggling isn't even a bad thing. For instance to do the spin attack in Super Mario Galaxy you can just shack the controller in any fashion and it will execute and unlike Zelda, it actually feels really nice and appropriate and is very simple to do.
Its not the few real games that are the problem, its the 1200 versions of Pony Rancher and Alligatorz.
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Post by: guyjin on December 31, 2007, 09:19:07 AM
Its not the few real games that are the problem, its the 1200 versions of Pony Rancher and Alligatorz.
true dat.
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Post by: nat on December 31, 2007, 10:22:18 AM
HAhaha, this is the first time I've seen Keranu really champion something like this. He even used sarcasm! Not even JJ & Jeff gets that kind of treatment (I think deep down he sees it for the pile o' crap that it is).
I agree 100.2% with everything he just said. I'm glad Crossbow Training got mentioned. I got a Wii Zapper for Christmas that came bundled with Crossbow Training. I'd never heard of it before, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the game f*cking rules. I can't stop playing it.
Targeted to old men/little kids or not, the Wii is great. The 360 and PS3 are just more of the same. I have no plans to buy either one unless something really revolutionary happens with one or the other. If I had to pick one I'd probably go for a PS3 since at least I could use it as a BluRay player. The 360 is just a FPS player and FPS games blow.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 11:09:38 AM
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Didn't care to comment on the other games, mentioned eh ;)
Kororinpa is pretty cool, but it does have issues in later levels when you must turn the Wii Remote upside down. It gets glitchy. Metroid Prime 3 is a game that actually works and I love very much.
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Wait until they see space dudez from the future launching mega torpedo blasts in Halo!
Halo is retarded. I don't think any game system will get you the girl. You know what gets the girl? Getting out of the house. Try it.
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Jee, I guess the only reason I should play games is if they use Blast Processing®.
I didn't say anything about that. I just wanted to put people straight who might think the Wii is significantly more powerful than the Gamecube. It barely is.
To me, there are 2 great games on the Wii and a few decent games. One of the great ones is the aforementioned Metroid Prime 3 which benefits from the Wii controls greatly. The other great one is Super Mario Galaxy which I think would be MUCH better if played with a standard controller. The whole "star bits" thing is extraordinarily homosexual and adds nothing. Waggling the remote to attack is also annoying. The only decent thing the Wii Remote adds to the game is grabbing on to those blue stars which make that weird sound and pull you around, and that's not exactly something that makes the game great. The decent games like Wario Ware and Kororinpa are cool, but I'd still rather play Gate of Thunder.
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Post by: GUTS on December 31, 2007, 11:19:20 AM
Link's Crossbow Training & Ghost Squad are killer apps for the Wii? Haha, awesome.
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Post by: Keranu on December 31, 2007, 11:41:29 AM
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Its not the few real games that are the problem, its the 1200 versions of Pony Rancher and Alligatorz.
The more popular a system is, the more games it's gonna get, both good and bad. Despite all of the crappy licensed sports games the Genesis got, it was still a great console.
I agree 100.2% with everything he just said. I'm glad Crossbow Training got mentioned. I got a Wii Zapper for Christmas that came bundled with Crossbow Training. I'd never heard of it before, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks the game f*cking rules. I can't stop playing it.
Yeah my brother got me it for my birthday on December 13th, something I totally wasn't expecting and something I never thought I would purchase. To my surprise, it's a great game and despite the Wii Zapper just being a plastic case and the Wiimote itself as being faster to use, I think the Zapper definitely adds a greater feeling to it. Something I've been complaining about in new games for awhile is how you just can't start up a game and play it right away, but some of these Wii games like Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Link's Crossbow are fixing this problem as there isn't a whole lot of menus and tutorials in your way before you actually play the game. We'll have to start up a Link's Crossbow Training score thread ;) .
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You know what gets the girl? Getting out of the house. Try it.
And after you've been out of the house for awhile, you can invite the girl back to your home and show her your Wii ;) .
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I didn't say anything about that. I just wanted to put people straight who might think the Wii is significantly more powerful than the Gamecube. It barely is.
Sorry, I just had to throw in a Blast Processing® joke in my post somewhere. It's a rule on this forum to use that joke whenever possible.
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To me, there are 2 great games on the Wii and a few decent games. One of the great ones is the aforementioned Metroid Prime 3 which benefits from the Wii controls greatly.
You have to keep in mind that the Wii has only been out for a little over a year and still has a lot of time for more games. I think you could look at just about any other console's game line up in their first year and it's quanity of good games would be about on par with Wii, though Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy are pretty big titles.
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The other great one is Super Mario Galaxy which I think would be MUCH better if played with a standard controller. The whole "star bits" thing is extraordinarily homosexual and adds nothing. Waggling the remote to attack is also annoying. The only decent thing the Wii Remote adds to the game is grabbing on to those blue stars which make that weird sound and pull you around, and that's not exactly something that makes the game great. The decent games like Wario Ware and Kororinpa are cool, but I'd still rather play Gate of Thunder.
I wouldn't say Galaxy would play "MUCH" better with a standard controller as the motion controls are pretty limited and plays like any other 3-D Mario game. Star Bits are homosexual, but I do think it's a good feeling when "absorbing" them and it does add to a simplistic multiplayer aspect to keep bored people in the room busy. The blue stars are a neat feature.
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Post by: guyjin on December 31, 2007, 12:10:59 PM
Star bits taste like honey.
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 01:53:43 PM
I'm going to be honest with you Joe,you sound like someone who knows zilch about hardware capabilities at times.
I will break it down for you like this. CPU DESIGN BETWEEN THE 2 SYSTEMS Game Cube cpu system specs: IBM "Gekko" PowerPC CPU. 180 nm IBM copper-wire process,clocked at 486 MHz.
Wii cpu system specs: PowerPC-based "Broadway" processor, 90 nm SOI CMOS process,clocked at 729 MHz.
Wiis cpu is a far newer generation core,and is designed to be twice as fast as the older Gekko processor. Game developers when asked have rated the Broadway as being about as powerful as a Athlon Xp 2500+ as far as being able to run games goes. The original Gekko was about as powerful as a Athlon Thunderbird 1GHZ at its peak of optimization.
GPU DESIGN BETWEEN THE 2 SYSTEMS
GameCube GPU specs: ATI Flipper 180 nm process,clocked at 162 mhz. 648 megatexels/second. 648 megapixels/second. Basically about as good as a Radeon 7500 GPU. Direct X 7 generation
Wii GPU specs: ATI Hollywood 90 nm process,clocked at 243 mhz. 1944 megatexels/second. 1944 megapixels/second. Basically about as good as a Radeon 1400-1600XT Direct X 9 Generation
Both support FSAA.
Basically yea the Wii is tech wise 2-3 times as powerful,and its sad we are not seeing it.
Currently,yea you're not seeing massively impressive use of the GPU yet. But that tends to be Nintendos way of letting programmers do things. They get better over time. This has been common among all game systems. It tends to take the programmers 2-3 years to fully realize what all they can do,and that all depends on how much they have been informed on how well the GPU and CPU can do.
Sony,Microsoft,and Nintendo are all wenches when it comes to letting programmers for 3rd parties know the full extent of the hardwares abilities. Sega and 3DO were basically the only ones who did not take this kind of approach with 3rd parties. I would not be surprised if Nintendo Wii dev kits are basically upgraded each year in software to include expanded features and abilities,not just big fixes.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 02:13:19 PM
Uh, Micheal? Throwing specs on paper around is one thing. Real life is another (also you forgot about the extra memory). Wii programmers have had plenty of time to take advantage of the extra capacity of the Wii, and the truth is that very few games have actually done it. I think that perhaps Super Mario Galaxy couldn't be done on the Gamecube 100% and maybe Metroid Prime 3. There might be a few other games I haven't seen, but I doubt it. All I know is when I go and play Gamecube games, they really don't look any different, and original Xbox games still look better. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if most Wii development systems are GC dev systems with Wii control functionality tacked on. I have no way of proving that, but it sure seems like it. One thing I am seeing is that more games are using 16:9 whereas most Gamecube games used 4:3 only. I think that is Nintendo basically suggesting to developers to use 16:9, though, as F-Zero GX on the 'Cube ran great at 480p, 16:9, 60fps with great graphics and no slowdown. Also has anyone besides me noticed that the Wii loads data much slower than the Gamecube? Those damn doors on Metroid Prime 3 are a good example.
Bottom line: I don't expect Wii graphics to improve much in the future over what we are seeing now.
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Post by: Keranu on December 31, 2007, 02:56:55 PM
Am I the only one who thought Wii Sports had awesome graphics? When I first played tennis, I was impressed with the sharp detail of the court and the really nice lens blur effect when the camera is focusing on different objects. Not just tennis though, but all of the levels have that nice sharp look to them with good lightning effects. Most Wii games do look like Gamecube games, but the Wii Sports definitely didn't feel like Gamecube to me, strangely enough.
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Also has anyone besides me noticed that the Wii loads data much slower than the Gamecube? Those damn doors on Metroid Prime 3 are a good example.
YES! It doesn't even have to be for a big game like Metroid Prime, it can be for small stuff like Wii Channels. I remember Mario Party for Wii even having slow loading. I've been meaning to compare loading time of Gamecube games between the Gamecube and Wii hardware.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 02:58:59 PM
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Wii Sports definitely didn't feel like Gamecube to me, strangely enough.
Might have something to do with the controls. :wink:
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 03:14:17 PM
Uh, Micheal? Throwing specs on paper around is one thing. Real life is another (also you forgot about the extra memory). Wii programmers have had plenty of time to take advantage of the extra capacity of the Wii, and the truth is that very few games have actually done it. I think that perhaps Super Mario Galaxy couldn't be done on the Gamecube 100% and maybe Metroid Prime 3. There might be a few other games I haven't seen, but I doubt it. All I know is when I go and play Gamecube games, they really don't look any different, and original Xbox games still look better. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if most Wii development systems are GC dev systems with Wii control functionality tacked on. I have no way of proving that, but it sure seems like it. One thing I am seeing is that more games are using 16:9 whereas most Gamecube games used 4:3 only. I think that is Nintendo basically suggesting to developers to use 16:9, though, as F-Zero GX on the 'Cube ran great at 480p, 16:9, 60fps with great graphics and no slowdown. Also has anyone besides me noticed that the Wii loads data much slower than the Gamecube? Those damn doors on Metroid Prime 3 are a good example.
Bottom line: I don't expect Wii graphics to improve much in the future over what we are seeing now.
The extra memory isn't what makes it more powerful really,its the newer GPU and CPUs. They really are more powerful,but as it is clear as day,the programmers are not trying to max it out. I have yet to play Pro Street on Wii,as I was wondering how well it runs and looks. This all is typical,as I said. The Xbox and PS2 had the same issues,esp the PS2. The first couple of years the titles really were not mind blowing,and did not do as much as they could with the hardware. The 360 suffered in this manner on its first year and PS3 is currently suffering the same thing.
Also,the dev kits for Wii wouldn't be the same as GC dev kits,the hardware is backwards compatible on Wii,GC not being forwards compatible obviously due to differences in GPU and CPU instruction sets,ect. Also,Joe,its always typical of you to bitch and whine,but seriously,if your not happy with it you can always sell it and have no more reasons to complain,since your current suffering is self inflicted. Considering the going price for them (Wii systems) used right now is near the new price,you would get your money back.
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Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 03:43:46 PM
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The extra memory isn't what makes it more powerful really,its the newer GPU and CPUs.
This is from the same guy that argues that Blazing Star can't be done on the Saturn due to memory constraints?
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Also,Joe,its always typical of you to bitch and whine
That's the pot calling the kettle black, my friend. And who said I wasn't happy with the Wii? I've already said that I've greatly enjoyed Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy. I never said either of those games MUST have better graphics to be enjoyable. I'm just saying from a audio/visual point of view, the Wii isn't much more than a Gamecube.
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Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 06:31:15 PM
The extra memory isn't what makes it more powerful really,its the newer GPU and CPUs.
This is from the same guy that argues that Blazing Star can't be done on the Saturn due to memory constraints?
Quote from: Michael Helgeson
Also,Joe,its always typical of you to bitch and whine
That's the pot calling the kettle black, my friend. And who said I wasn't happy with the Wii? I've already said that I've greatly enjoyed Metroid Prime 3 and Super Mario Galaxy. I never said either of those games MUST have better graphics to be enjoyable. I'm just saying from a audio/visual point of view, the Wii isn't much more than a Gamecube.
At 640x480 the increased graphics memory isn't going to make it more powerful.You can cram 1 gig of Pc 133 sdram into a Pentium 2 computer and with a Voodoo 3 and its still going to run games at the same performance frames per second wise as the same computer with 128 megs if your only running games at 640x480 from that time period.
88 megs on the Wii is nothing. They only give the Gpu like 3 of it. This is the same amount they gave the Game Cubes Flipper GPU. Compare that to the 10 the ATI GPU in the 360 gets. Thats all it needs at 640x480,and honestly not even that much to do well since everything is going to be optimized to use a low storage number and load from the disc often. Same goes for the Xbox and its 64 megs it had. Not all of that went to the GPU. Ram stores the data,it doesn't push the frame rates up more at such a low res number like 640x480.
It could have survived off the same amount as the Xbox,even better if it would have had a hard drive. Extra numbers in ram wont matter until you plan to store tons of larger textures all at once and run at higher res like 1024x768 or higher. Obviously they did not intend on the Wii doing this kinda work,and even then,at those higher res numbers the ram has to be 256 bit ddr2 or 3 to make a huge improvement on fill rates these days,and the game has to be a heavy duty title needing it,something using alot of pixel shaders and other effects. Basically its clock speed on the ram also needs to be twice the GPUS speed on average too.
Whats going to make it more powerful at 640x480 res gameplay is the higher clock rates and newer core features to do the extra visual effects.... Do you know anything about how gpus work? Take for instance a Radeon 9600 64 meg versus a 128 meg version running 3D Mark 2k1 or 2k3 at 640x480. You wont notice any frames per second increase at that res because the generation of games (2000-2004)details dont have as huge a demand on memory at lower res settings. The same is going to be with the GPU memory on the Wii. Games made on it are going to be optimized for lower res that only needs a small amount of ram for visuals.
They got to stick to the same amount of ram graphically as the amount in the GameCube ,since they were determined to stay at 640x480 type res that still is enough for the new features the GPU has since that GPU isn't designed for awesome high res visuals and multi shader effects. Its highly doubtful they will need to tap all the ram on the system ever to a stressful point. If they ever get to the point where they need more ram then what is currently in there then most likely they are going to need a better Gpu to push whats being stored in the larger ram space. When they get to that point then they will prob make a new system obviously.
Basically the Wii is going to move graphics faster at better fill rates due to the extra core features and higher clock rates at 640x480 like res,not due to the extra memory inside it main hardware. Memory is for storage aspect honestly,not the power aspect graphically since its GPU has the same amount as the GC GPU. True,both the GPU and the ram need each other to do anything,but in the larger scheme of things the GPU plays the more important role,because a shit GPU wont get you anywhere,no matter how much ram you give it,and only a very powerful GPU is going to need a good large amount of ram to do its job well(high res gaming,mega high fill rates,multi shader effects).
The Saturn graphically could have done Blazing Star if it had more ram for storage of the game. Its graphics ability was more then powerful enough to do it otherwise. The STV could have done it,since it used carts versus cd medium and low ram for space. I already stated this. The 4 Meg ram card could have helped,but honestly alot more would have been ideal for a title like Blazing Star if you wanted a perfect port.
Also,I'm not like you,I don't whine,bitch,piss,moan,and complain about any of my systems or their capabilities.Why? Because I don't buy systems I don't like or keep systems for 2-3 games so I can complain how I don't like the rest of the library,how it under performs,or how I have to waggle the controller :P
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 06:37:36 PM
Somehow, I don't believe Nintendo's anti-graphicswhore sentiments to be true. I think a low demand for the Gamecube and a well stocked surplus of Gamecube chips is a more realistic theory for the Wii's shit graphics architecture..
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 06:42:52 PM
Somehow, I don't believe Nintendo's anti-graphicswhore sentiments to be true. I think a low demand for the Gamecube and a well stocked surplus of Gamecube chips is a more realistic theory for the Wii's shit graphics architecture..
Impossible since they don't use the same chips Kits,so they are not left overs being used..... The chips used in the Wii ARE cost effective however,but alas are entirely new. Same as your new low cost X1600 graphics cards. They are made for the low end segment of the market.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 06:49:18 PM
Impossible since they don't use the same chips Kits,so they are not left overs being used.....
You edited the part where you said Gamecube and Wii used the same GPU.e
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 07:23:06 PM
Please point out where I whine,bitch,piss,moan,and complain about the Wii's graphics in this thread. Just because I don't sing it's praises to kingdom come doesn't mean I am complaining about it. Like I said, I don't have a problem with the Wii's graphics. If you want to interpret that as complaining, then have a fun time in your own little fantasy world.
You're right, we're not alike. You get into many more internet arguments than I do.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 07:24:20 PM
Impossible since they don't use the same chips Kits,so they are not left overs being used.....
You edited the part where you said Gamecube and Wii used the same GPU.e
No,actually I added the line at the end about the x1600 being low cost..... Its impossible for them to be the same cores,the features and core design are different.....I never once said they were the same,and if you look at my past post,I went into detail giving you the GPU specs. This must have all went over your head so maybe you should scroll back to page 4.....
I will break it down for you like this. CPU DESIGN BETWEEN THE 2 SYSTEMS Game Cube cpu system specs: IBM "Gekko" PowerPC CPU. 180 nm IBM copper-wire process,clocked at 486 MHz.
Wii cpu system specs: PowerPC-based "Broadway" processor, 90 nm SOI CMOS process,clocked at 729 MHz.
Wiis cpu is a far newer generation core,and is designed to be twice as fast as the older Gekko processor. Game developers when asked have rated the Broadway as being about as powerful as a Athlon Xp 2500+ as far as being able to run games goes. The original Gekko was about as powerful as a Athlon Thunderbird 1GHZ at its peak of optimization.
GPU DESIGN BETWEEN THE 2 SYSTEMS
GameCube GPU specs: ATI Flipper 180 nm process,clocked at 162 mhz. 648 megatexels/second. 648 megapixels/second. Basically about as good as a Radeon 7500 GPU. Direct X 7 generation
Wii GPU specs: ATI Hollywood 90 nm process,clocked at 243 mhz. 1944 megatexels/second. 1944 megapixels/second. Basically about as good as a Radeon 1400-1600XT Direct X 9 Generation
Both support FSAA.
Basically yea the Wii is tech wise 2-3 times as powerful,and its sad we are not seeing it.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 07:26:01 PM
Yeah, I missed that. Sorry. After this thread stopped bing about the 3D0 I lost interest.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 07:43:25 PM
I didn't say anything about that. I just wanted to put people straight who might think the Wii is significantly more powerful than the Gamecube. It barely is.
To me, there are 2 great games on the Wii and a few decent games. One of the great ones is the aforementioned Metroid Prime 3 which benefits from the Wii controls greatly. The other great one is Super Mario Galaxy which I think would be MUCH better if played with a standard controller. The whole "star bits" thing is extraordinarily homosexual and adds nothing. Waggling the remote to attack is also annoying. The only decent thing the Wii Remote adds to the game is grabbing on to those blue stars which make that weird sound and pull you around, and that's not exactly something that makes the game great. The decent games like Wario Ware and Kororinpa are cool, but I'd still rather play Gate of Thunder.
Uh, Micheal? Throwing specs on paper around is one thing. Real life is another (also you forgot about the extra memory). Wii programmers have had plenty of time to take advantage of the extra capacity of the Wii, and the truth is that very few games have actually done it. I think that perhaps Super Mario Galaxy couldn't be done on the Gamecube 100% and maybe Metroid Prime 3. There might be a few other games I haven't seen, but I doubt it. All I know is when I go and play Gamecube games, they really don't look any different, and original Xbox games still look better.
Also has anyone besides me noticed that the Wii loads data much slower than the Gamecube? Those damn doors on Metroid Prime 3 are a good example.
Bottom line: I don't expect Wii graphics to improve much in the future over what we are seeing now.
Your words,not mine.
Like I said,tech/spec wise it is alot more powerful then the Gamecube,they are just not tapping the extra power,and I wouldn't expect them to do so anytime soon,at least for another year as its only been out a tad over 1 year so far. This is always the common graphical roadmap for consoles graphically.They get better each year in terms of the visuals.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 07:45:34 PM
The Bandai Playdia actually has better video playback than the Wii.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 07:56:57 PM
Quote from: Michael
Your words,not mine.
Indeed. But I fail to see how they are bitch/whine/complain/piss/moan words. The worst thing I said was about the Mario star bits, and that has nothing to do with the Wii graphics technology. Anyway, I hope we do see noticeably better graphics from the Wii some day, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 07:58:25 PM
The only reason you guys like the Wii is because you can play Turbo games on it.
There. I said it. Now can Wii stop discussing this shit console and talk about the 3D0, a much better investment?
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 08:00:29 PM
No way! I have ZERO Virtual Console games for my Wii.
I will admit that the 3DO had the best versions of Road Rash and Return Fire.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 08:02:12 PM
We don't have any VC games either Kits. We own the real systems and games already.
Yep Road Rash on 3DO was the best Road Rash easily.
Return Fire looks great and is fun as hell too.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 08:05:40 PM
DEADULUS ENCOUNTER, FTW!!!
Also, D.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 08:13:59 PM
Yea,D is a classic,either the normal cut or Dir cut on 3DO,or the Sat version which is also basically the Dir cut if I remember right. The Ps1 version sucks. Video quality was not as sharp,wasn't the Dir cut,and if I remember right was spread across 3 disc for some retarded reasons. I remember Warp publicly denouncing the PS1 after that version also.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 08:17:08 PM
Yea,D is a classic,either the normal cut or Dir cut on 3DO,or the Sat version which is also basically the Dir cut if I remember right. The Ps1 version sucks. Video quality was not as sharp,wasn't the Dir cut,and if I remember right was spread across 3 disc for some retarded reasons. I remember Warp publicly denouncing the PS1 after that version also.
Also, the 3D0 director's cut version had the awesome theme to D2 (the one before the Dreamcast version, slated for the M2) as a hidden CD audio track.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 08:18:58 PM
You will like this Kits: http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=5937022&publicUserId=5669500
It mentions how they dissed Sony after D was made for Ps1. Kenji Eno (the head of Warp) did it at a press conference.
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You have to realize, this guy was the proto-Itagaki. Not many people would show up to a press conference held for them by Sony to announce their future working relationship, only to use said conference as a podium to announce that you would be working exclusively with Sega, a promise he kept through games like Enemy Zero for Saturn, Real Sound for Dreamcast, and ultimately, D2 for Dreamcast. The original D was like Myst meets Dracula, with chicks, featuring prerendered backgrounds and a first-person perspective. It was one of the original titles for 3DO ironically. The sequel was fully polygonal and 3D like never before. It also wasn't very good. I still admired the man greatly though, as he is one of the industry's true mavericks. Ico's Fumito Ueda was once at WARP as well.
Should also be noted Kenji hung out alot with one or two of the Sega Rally crew and did alot of drugs together on vacations. I remember reading a interview with the Sega Rally crew long ago and them admitting to that.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on December 31, 2007, 08:26:23 PM
Kenji Eno isn't the proto-Itagaki, he could kick Itagaki's ass anytime, anywhere. Just name a time, place, and arrange for one of the Team Ninja guys to ride in the ambulance for him.
Am I bitter? No. Ninja Gaiden for Xbox just sucks.
And Kenji Eno just RULES. :dance:
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 08:50:19 PM
Kenji Eno isn't the proto-Itagaki, he could kick Itagaki's ass anytime, anywhere. Just name a time, place, and arrange for one of the Team Ninja guys to ride in the ambulance for him.
Am I bitter? No. Ninja Gaiden for Xbox just sucks.
And Kenji Eno just RULES. :dance:
Kenji's new company is supposedly making a new game,for the Wii only.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 09:31:06 PM
Quote from: Mike
Should also be noted Kenji hung out alot with one or two of the Sega Rally crew and did alot of drugs together on vacations. I remember reading a interview with the Sega Rally crew long ago and them admitting to that.
I guess that explains why all subsequent Sega Rallys were severely lacking compared to the original.
Quote from: Kitty
Ninja Gaiden for Xbox just sucks.
Agreed.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on December 31, 2007, 09:34:14 PM
Yea,you know Sega Rally 2 was not all that hot. The first was easily the best as far as fun factor goes.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on December 31, 2007, 09:35:52 PM
Sega Rally Revo (developed in the UK) isn't too terribly bad, but the control could use work and it's just too hard. Sega Rally 2005 was ASS (Jap PS2 only) but the cool thing is that is came with the arcade version of Sega Rally 1. It had to, otherwise nobody would have bought it.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 01, 2008, 04:47:17 AM
The only reason you guys like the Wii is because you can play Turbo games on it.
There. I said it. Now can Wii stop discussing this shit console and talk about the 3D0, a much better investment?
I like the Wii quite a bit, and I seriously doubt I'd ever buy much in the way of Turbo games for VC simply because most of them are more expensive that actual PCE retail releases. I'd probably buy one just to see how the emulation works, or maybe for a really scarce title like Magical Chase.
I'm pretty sure I already have every US release I'd ever want anyway.
I want a Wii, eventually, for; Gundam SCAD Hammers, Dekotora, Mario Galaxy, Animal Crossing, Mario Party, Wii Sports. Also, its quite likely that the Wii will end up being a system for shooters about on par with 360. There is a Milestone three pack coming out with Radialgy, Crows, and Chaos Field on it, Skikigami no Shiro 3 is already out. I'm extremely interested in the as yet announced, but virtually guaranteed Super Robot Wars game I'm sure they'll make for it.
Overall, the 360 is the best system out there overall, but I don't buy Microsoft anything because I don't feel they should be expanding their business. This is a moral/ethical decision. It doesn't matter how good the system is. I just don't suck the dick that slaps me.
I'd like to mention how f*cking stupid I think it is for people to bitch about the Wiimote. "Its just waving a stick around" and all that idiocy. Would you consider playing Halo from beginning to end, "just pushing buttons"? Of course not. Don't be a such prat.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Keranu on January 01, 2008, 11:55:31 AM
The only reason you guys like the Wii is because you can play Turbo games on it.
There. I said it. Now can Wii stop discussing this shit console and talk about the 3D0, a much better investment?
The only VC game I downloaded was Bomberman '93, and that was mostly just for the novelty of it. I think it's really cool that a new age console allows you to download Turbo games, but I just don't have a reason to buy any VC games.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 01, 2008, 12:12:15 PM
Well pretty much the VC TG16 support is useless for most of us,we have the stuff already. But for others,its prob a great bonus,esp if they don't mess with computer emulation.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 01, 2008, 01:04:33 PM
If I had a Wii, & they released a "fixed" version of Ys 3(scrolling issues fixed). I'd buy that in a heartbeat, infact, I'd be more likely to buy a Wii, just for that.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Keranu on January 01, 2008, 04:20:45 PM
If there were any cool modifications like that for VC games, I'd probably buy them. I'd definitely be interested in buying translated games.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 01, 2008, 06:34:41 PM
That too! I'd love to see translated games!
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: guyjin on January 01, 2008, 10:17:27 PM
hopefully, enough people want this that they can make a profit... otherwise they won't do it. :pray:
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: GUTS on January 02, 2008, 05:49:14 AM
So why haven't you bought Sin & Punishment Keranu? That is a translated game, they did the title screen. Plus it's the best rails shooter since Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: MissaFX on January 02, 2008, 06:44:38 AM
So why haven't you bought Sin & Punishment Keranu? That is a translated game, they did the title screen. Plus it's the best rails shooter since Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
Knowing Sin & Punishment is on the Wii is the only good argument I have heard so far as to why one should own a Wii. There's so many awesome old consoles, I don't understand why someone would buy one of the current generation machines. I'd probably buy a Neo Geo home system before buying a 360, Wii or PS3.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 02, 2008, 06:53:37 AM
So why haven't you bought Sin & Punishment Keranu? That is a translated game, they did the title screen. Plus it's the best rails shooter since Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
My friend has that game on N64 and brought it over a couple of xmas ago. I played it for a bit but I just got kinda bored with it after about 30 mins. I guess I was expecting more since it was a Treasure title.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 02, 2008, 07:07:21 AM
So why haven't you bought Sin & Punishment Keranu? That is a translated game, they did the title screen. Plus it's the best rails shooter since Panzer Dragoon Zwei.
I've thought about buying it, but I also thought it might be better to buy the real game instead. Depends if playing N64 imports is easy.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: nat on January 02, 2008, 11:15:46 AM
Is Sin and Punishment really that good? I'm not a huge fan of 3D games as it is and screenshots didn't look too appealing.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 02, 2008, 11:16:09 AM
I never cared much for Sin and Punishment. I've played the real game and all I remember is the camera at nearly foot-level with you running around shooting things in an ugly N64 environment.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: GUTS on January 02, 2008, 12:39:28 PM
Well the graphics are mixed- the characters are really ugly but the environments look great. The actual gameplay is f*cking awesome though if you love the genre (like myself), it's a rails shooter where you can also move your character left and right, jump, and duck with the yellow buttons. Also, you can reflect just about any projectile in the game by double tapping fire, which is AWESOME when you send a bunch of missiles back at somebody. The levels variety is insane too, especially the last couple.
Anyway, personally it's one of my favorite games of all time and one of the reasons I still own a N64, although I'd buy it on N64 over the Wii version just because it was designed for a N64 controller and not that garbage classic or gamecube controller shit (it'd be next to impossible to do well with a GC controller).
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: nat on January 02, 2008, 04:59:01 PM
I don't own any import N64 games. Would I be able to play it on my US N64 or would I have to mod the console somehow?
If I decide to buy it I'll probably do what you said and just get the "real" version.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 02, 2008, 05:08:13 PM
I think you'd have to mod it somehow, I think it's one of those mod that cartridge or slot deals, instead of soldering. I remember there being a converter for N64, that played, US & Import N64, US & Import SNES, & US & Import NES. I wish I could find that thing, I remember seeing it one time when I was at Game Dude, probably about 10 years ago. Now I don't even remember what it was called, I'm almost started to doubt it's existence, because it sounded to good to be true!
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: MissaFX on January 02, 2008, 06:26:22 PM
I don't own any import N64 games. Would I be able to play it on my US N64 or would I have to mod the console somehow?
If I decide to buy it I'll probably do what you said and just get the "real" version.
You would need a JPN --> US converter. It would be a small thing which would plug into the console, and then you would plug the game into it. Like a game genie.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Turbo D on January 02, 2008, 06:52:02 PM
I'd probably buy a Neo Geo home system before buying a 360, Wii or PS3.
I was going to get an AES or MVS, but instead bought the ps2 releases of the games I wanted. Metal Slug Anthology pwns!!! It sure beats the the neogeo carts pricewise, haha. There is also an official aes controller for ps2 that is super awesome. My local import shop has the mai version in stock 8)
http://neogeo.exar.jp/
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 02, 2008, 07:35:48 PM
I don't own any import N64 games. Would I be able to play it on my US N64 or would I have to mod the console somehow?
If I decide to buy it I'll probably do what you said and just get the "real" version.
There are 2 square notches in the cart port of the N64. Those are the only things keeping you from playing a Japanese cart. If you have a small dremel kit you can chisel them out. Much cheaper then buying a bridge adapter. As for Sin and Punishments graphics,I didn't like them at all either,characters or environments. I enjoy rail shooters too,but this one I just couldn't get into. I could see it looking better if the N64 emulation runs at a higher res on Wii,and if so I would be willing to give it another go on that platform.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 02, 2008, 07:38:44 PM
We had a discussion about how the original Neo·Geo AES sticks suck compared to the PS2 version before. Lemme see if I can find the thread.
Here it is:
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 02, 2008, 07:43:07 PM
Wrong link,and its not the AES sticks that suck. Its the NeoGeo Cd pads that do. So far Joe is the only person that I know of thats managed to destroy a AES stick. The PS 2 AES style sticks are basically the same as the original AES ones,with extra buttons.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 02, 2008, 07:46:27 PM
I'd probably buy a Neo Geo home system before buying a 360, Wii or PS3.
I was going to get an AES or MVS, but instead bought the ps2 releases of the games I wanted. Metal Slug Anthology pwns!!! It sure beats the the neogeo carts pricewise, haha. There is also an official aes controller for ps2 that is super awesome. My local import shop has the mai version in stock 8)
http://neogeo.exar.jp/
Too bad,MSA for the ps2 suffers from controller lag up through MS 1-3 etc.
The most advantage i see in that is it has,MS6 wich was only on the atomiswave for the arcades.
As for beating it prices please it didn't cost me a fortune to get MS 1-5 on mvs.
It only hurts though getting it on AES of corse.
Kind of sad realy snkp got it right for other the collections...but can't emulate msa right for the ps2 :P
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 02, 2008, 10:31:00 PM
I don't own any import N64 games. Would I be able to play it on my US N64 or would I have to mod the console somehow?
If I decide to buy it I'll probably do what you said and just get the "real" version.
There are 2 square notches in the cart port of the N64. Those are the only things keeping you from playing a Japanese cart. If you have a small dremel kit you can chisel them out. Much cheaper then buying a bridge adapter. As for Sin and Punishments graphics,I didn't like them at all either,characters or environments. I enjoy rail shooters too,but this one I just couldn't get into. I could see it looking better if the N64 emulation runs at a higher res on Wii,and if so I would be willing to give it another go on that platform.
Cool thanks, so it's exactly like what I had to do to my SNES to play SFC carts I guess. Gotta love Nintendo and their cheap region protection!
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: GUTS on January 03, 2008, 07:08:45 AM
You don't have to carve anything, if you have the bit that opens SNES/N64 systems you can just take the gray plastic piece out or use a gameshark instead of converter since those are like $1 or free.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 03, 2008, 10:15:47 AM
The Rickroll stopped being funny about 30 years ago. Wait, that's not true..... it was never funny.
YOU GOT RICKROLLED!!! :lol:
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 03, 2008, 10:59:54 AM
Kitsu you are SOOOO clever! Rickrolled LOLOLOLOLOLOL! OMG u r sooo funy lololololololololololololololol x 10000000000
Quote from: Miggidy Mike H
Thats what I was referring to,as Id never use something after it had a big crack in it. Too ugly for my love.
How do you deal with the typical hairline cracks that form in the ball on the stick over most NeoGeo controllers? Mine doesn't have that, but probably more than 50% of them in the world do. If only SNK manufactured those things to be less pussified, they wouldn't do that. I should sell my crackless ball on eBay for $1000.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 03, 2008, 11:01:57 AM
Kitsu you are SOOOO clever! Rickrolled LOLOLOLOLOLOL! OMG u r sooo funy lololololololololololololololol x 10000000000
Quote from: Miggidy Mike H
Thats what I was referring to,as Id never use something after it had a big crack in it. Too ugly for my love.
How do you deal with the typical hairline cracks that form in the ball on the stick over most NeoGeo controllers? Mine doesn't have that, but probably more than 50% of them in the world do. If only SNK manufactured those things to be less pussified, they wouldn't do that. I should sell my crackless ball on eBay for $1000.
Cracks and balls? Wow, this topic is going gay.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 03, 2008, 11:52:12 AM
Kitsu you are SOOOO clever! Rickrolled LOLOLOLOLOLOL! OMG u r sooo funy lololololololololololololololol x 10000000000
Quote from: Miggidy Mike H
Thats what I was referring to,as Id never use something after it had a big crack in it. Too ugly for my love.
How do you deal with the typical hairline cracks that form in the ball on the stick over most NeoGeo controllers? Mine doesn't have that, but probably more than 50% of them in the world do. If only SNK manufactured those things to be less pussified, they wouldn't do that. I should sell my crackless ball on eBay for $1000.
Those are contained inside the ball,Ive never had one I could actually feel cracked. I typically replace the ball on the AES sticks though with a larger heavier one.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Keranu on January 03, 2008, 12:14:25 PM
Expected Kitsune post:
Big balls FTW
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 03, 2008, 12:23:36 PM
A larger/heavier ball would probably feel pretty nice on the Neo Geo stick. The other two things I would change (as I've probably mentioned before) would be to make the whole thing more weighty and less "hollow" feeling, and to make the A B C D buttons at a less-steep angle. I'd want them more horizontal than vertical like they are now.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Turbo D on January 03, 2008, 12:26:23 PM
I've often wondered how the aes stick button layout angle compares to the arcade button layout angle. :-k
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 03, 2008, 01:27:20 PM
They are much better on the arcade cab, more horizontal instead of vertical. See?
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Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 03, 2008, 04:27:34 PM
The Turbo's Goatse Controller (http://www.geocities.com/sgextreme/grafx/powcon1.jpg) > The AES stick.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: nat on January 03, 2008, 05:05:47 PM
Ah, the Power Console.
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Turbo D on January 03, 2008, 05:12:04 PM
Man I wish I owned the power console =P~
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 03, 2008, 05:19:26 PM
It looks like an 80's version of the Steel Battalion controller.
Speaking of the SB controller, I could win so many Street Fighter Anniversary Collection tournaments with that thing:
*CUT TO TOURNAMENT ARENA*
ANNOUNCER: "The Street Fighter Anniversary Collection tournament is about to begin!"
ME: "Hold up." *sets up Steel Battalion controller*
MY OPPONENT: "Dude.... you play....with THAT thing!?" :shock:
ME: "Nah, "dude". I THROW DOWN with this thing." :twisted:
MY OPPONENT: "Eh heh heh..." 8-[ *MY OPPONENT exits the arena, shit dripping from his pants*
ANNOUNCER: "Kitsunexus is the winner!!!"
ME: "f*ck yes!"
NARRATOR: "And so Kitsunexus was crowned king of Street Fighter, despite never having been to a tournament in his life before this and actually sucking pretty bad at the game. The End."
*FADE TO BLACK*
/daydreaming
Title: Re: 3DO - Hated, Loved, Feared?
Post by: WoodyXP on January 03, 2008, 06:47:11 PM
How do you deal with the typical hairline cracks that form in the ball on the stick over most NeoGeo controllers? Mine doesn't have that, but probably more than 50% of them in the world do. If only SNK manufactured those things to be less pussified, they wouldn't do that. I should sell my crackless ball on eBay for $1000. [/quote]
A couple of my sticks have balls that are cracked through the surface. Personally I don't mind it because I feel that the cracks give me a better grip. Once they start losing chunks I'll probably replace them though.