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Hello guys,
I'm gonna be in Tokyo for 1 week in Feb. I would like your comments of what some rare things I can find over in Tokyo???
Anyone living in Tokyo currently ??? perhaps know any good places and directions to pick up some NEC consoles / games for cheap ???
hope you guys can help me out.... O:) O:) O:) O:)
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Tatsujin can help you better, but Akihabara is still the place to go for rare PC-E games in Tokyo. Try Trader 2, Super Potato, Mandarake, and
a few others. Prices here are cheaper then ebay, but still not really "cheap." Akiba is really more about the selection then the prices. Sure
you can get lucky and find great deals at times, but probably not much in only a weeks time. Best thing to do is make a list of stuff you really want, and stick to it. Most first time visitors make the mistake of buying stuff simply because its there. Plan ahead and it will be a great trip :)
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natto
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If you like anime stuff stop in Nakano (just a couple stops away from Shinjuki on the Chuo-Soubu sen) at the main Mandarake office.
In fact, it was because of Mandarake's abortive efforts to enter the US manga market in 98-99 that I got my first DVD player for free. I was in Japan and their US office had to send it to my parents in the US.
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natto
indeed!
yeah..as deadite said. akiba and nakano (mandarake broadway) is your only place to go. you will find a lot of stuff, altough it wouldn't be such cheap to get the better/rar one. but there is also a lot of cheap common stuff. when do you will be on place?
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Be sure to check out Retro Friends, there was a 10% waribiki for students when I was visiting last November, and just being a gaijin got me the discount, too^^
Btw stay away from natto, it's probably the worst thing about Japan, it smells like horse shit.
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thanks for your replies guys. Hopefully I will find my way to those places.. I will forward the name of the places you guys mentioned. and good that I have a Local Japanese guy who works with me to bring me around.
Do you guys think I can find this for a cheap price there ??
see pic
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if there is one on sell, it will cost you around 8'000~10'000yen (loose). i've rarely seen some of them boxed recently, mostly they come in loose condition.
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Check out "Hard Off" Store (No, that's really the name), which sell 2nd hand stuff, and you can find some INCREDIBLE game deals, especially in their "junk" bins -- games/things that you can't return, but work perfectly 95% of the time.
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Try to get the only known copy of PC Cocoron.
Okay...nevermind. :D
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Try to get the only known copy of PC Cocoron.
Okay...nevermind. :D
PC Cocoron ??? what that in japanese ??? never even heard of it ??
sorry, pls educate me, I'm gonna try to get AS MUCH AS I CAN while I'm in Tokyo
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Snag some copys of,Sylphia i know been dieing for a copy of that for the pce :wink:
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Check out "Hard Off" Store (No, that's really the name), which sell 2nd hand stuff, and you can find some INCREDIBLE game deals, especially in their "junk" bins -- games/things that you can't return, but work perfectly 95% of the time.
yeah, hard off is or better said was always a good adress, although they reduced their junk offerings a lot, recently. it seems they try to raise their image by selling only good quality in good shape 2nd hand stuff. PCE games are more or less unfindable nowadays.
the other thing is, that you won't find any hardoff's in the center of TYO. you have to go a little bit to the country side (machida, yokohama etc. ) to find 'em. and still their're not easy findable.
here a bunch of stuff i digged in one of my local hard off's last weekend:
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paid about $45 for the whole bunch.
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Try to get the only known copy of PC Cocoron.
Okay...nevermind. :D
PC Cocoron ??? what that in japanese ??? never even heard of it ??
sorry, pls educate me, I'm gonna try to get AS MUCH AS I CAN while I'm in Tokyo
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here some rare and almost only good pix of that unreleased and probably most hunted game on the system:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Suzuran/9038/pce_nfs22.html
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Yakisoba and a hot Japanese girlfriend! :D
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Hell yes.
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YEAH screw video games you should get a nice massage
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YEAH screw video games you should get a nice massage
With happy ending?
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YEAH screw video games you should get a nice massage
With happy ending?
Why bother if there isn't one?
here some rare and almost only good pix of that unreleased and probably most hunted game on the system:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/HeartLand-Suzuran/9038/pce_nfs22.html
Why doesn't that bozo make an ISO of his copy and make it available? I've never understood that. He obviously has the ONLY copy ever made. Why not share it with the community? I just feel he is being selfish.
It would be one thing if there were other copies floating around out there to find, but it is obvious there are not. So he should "share the wealth."
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Why doesn't that bozo make an ISO of his copy and make it available?
He may have signed a confidentiality agreement and is taking it much too seriously. Either that, or he's just a douche bag - guess which one I'm leaning towards.
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Any agreement he may have signed should long since have been null and void. I mean, who cares about 16-bit video game prototypes anymore anyway besides us freaks? It's not like leaking an ISO of a 15 year old game is going to tip the scales in the current consoles race to ultimately cause the Big Video Game Crash of 2008.
I'd be surprised if the developers that worked on the game even still work at "Sur De Wave" if "Sur De Wave" even exists anymore.
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Man that game looks sweet, I played the translated NES original and it was pretty damn fun, but the graphics on that PCE version are about 20 times better. I can see why he would hoard it though, having the only copy probably makes him some kind of celebrity in the nerd circles and gets him a lot of attention.
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I think someone should kill him by way of brain trauma via a blunt object, and nab the prototype and rip it.
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Someone offered that guy a couple grand for an iso! The dude turned it down.
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Any agreement he may have signed should long since have been null and void.
From a common sense standpoint, I agree whole heartedly; from a legal standpoint, there likely wouldn't have been an expiration date. Whether or not there's anybody to enforce it is irrelevant to some people.
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Man that game looks sweet, I played the translated NES original and it was pretty damn fun, but the graphics on that PCE version are about 20 times better. I can see why he would hoard it though, having the only copy probably makes him some kind of celebrity in the nerd circles and gets him a lot of attention.
Exactly, this dude probably has only one claim to fame in his life (though a pretty niche one) and it's his precious. The reason why nobody has a copy of this program is that he appears in the night and kills anyone at the stroke of midnight, that has one in their possession. I'm sure his legal excuse for why he cannot pass around a copy is bunk, he probably bought it at a garage sale, but it makes him sound a hell of a lot cooler to say he was involved with the company that made the game.
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Someone needs to make a very convincing website that says they have the game too, maybe it would convince him to give his up! :lol:
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That guy is a fool. If his house burns down, that game is lost forever - he should share it for posterity.
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Someone needs to make a very convincing website that says they have the game too, maybe it would convince him to give his up! :lol:
Like with a graphically modified NES copy uploaded to youtube with gameplay? Could that trick him?
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Personally if I were in Japan I'd be buying arcade PCBs. The vast majority of console stuff turns up on eBay sooner or later, and the prices aren't much worse than an actual game store. Being able to browse a shop full of cheap JAMMA boards would be something unique.
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Someone needs to make a very convincing website that says they have the game too, maybe it would convince him to give his up! :lol:
Like with a graphically modified NES copy uploaded to youtube with gameplay? Could that trick him?
It could...but you'd have to use something like a VRC6 chip to simulate the TG-16's enhanced sound qualities. It'd probably just be easier to hack up an Amiga port or use something like GameMaker or Klik and Play.
If it could be pulled off, and we've read him right, we could have the ISO in a week tops.
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Someone offered that guy a couple grand for an iso! The dude turned it down.
As soon as I can, I will be making a trip to Japan to make him an offer for the game itself, not an ISO but the real thing. My offer: 15000000¥.
(That's about $140K in US dollars.)
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Someone offered that guy a couple grand for an iso! The dude turned it down.
As soon as I can, I will be making a trip to Japan to make him an offer for the game itself, not an ISO but the real thing. My offer: 15000000¥.
(That's about $140K in US dollars.)
You have the cash?
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You have the cash?
Not yet but I'm working on it. That's why I said "as soon as I can".
This game is way too valuable to the history of the PCE to let slide into oblivion.
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This game is way too valuable to the history of the PCE to let slide into oblivion.
Why is it so valuable? I know it's rare, but why does everybody want it so much?
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http://www.telegames.co.uk/product_reviews.php?products_id=8142&&osCsid=fetkp5oddaos1tqq9a01e073p0
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http://www.telegames.co.uk/product_reviews.php?products_id=8142&&osCsid=fetkp5oddaos1tqq9a01e073p0
That's "Coryoon" Kitsunexus, which is a different (unrelated) game from "Cocoron."
I know it's rare, but why does everybody want it so much?
I ought to throw your classic "understatement of the century" pic right back at you here. "Rare" would definitely fit the criteria as such.
"Nonexistent" would be a little closer to home, there is ONLY ONE prototype copy. Anywhere. And this clown owns it and refuses to make a copy available to the public domain. Even, after another user mentioned, someone offered him thousands of dollars JUST FOR AN ISO.
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I'm sorry nat. :(
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I hope the dumb f*ck at least has it backed up in multiple places. Too bad Michael Dudikoff is so old or he could american ninja the game out of the dude's house.
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Personally if I were in Japan I'd be buying arcade PCBs. The vast majority of console stuff turns up on eBay sooner or later, and the prices aren't much worse than an actual game store. Being able to browse a shop full of cheap JAMMA boards would be something unique.
yeah..just visit G-Front and MAK-Japan in akiba and you can choose between thousands of PCBs from any age!
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He obviously has the ONLY copy ever made.
I'm not sure about that. A friend of mine had two copies of the prototype a few years ago but sold both of them for 50 bucks because he didn't like the game. Considering this, there must be at least three copies.
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I'm not sure about that. A friend of mine had two copies of the prototype a few years ago but sold both of them for 50 bucks because he didn't like the game. Considering this, there must be at least three copies.
Frankly, I think that's BS.
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Agreed.
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It might be a BS story, but is far less likely that only one copy of anything digital exists. I can't see any situation in the game development world that would be likely result in only one copy of something. Its just not logical. They don't make the things one at a time like swords or something. There are going to be all sorts of copies in various states of development both on the hard drive of the dev machines (probably a half dozen of those were used) and on CD for testers to play, employees might have taken it home to test on their kids, magazine promo copies, on and on.
This reminds of a guy that paid something like $1100 for what was supposedly the only existing retail copy of The KLF's "Love Trance" 12" (Pure Trance volume 3). For ages it was possible to get the sleeves and labels but it was never pressed, and in fact nobody had ever even heard the song before, not even on a white label.
Virtually everyone on the mailing list at the time thought it was fake. Its not that the song didn't sound like KLF (it sorta did) the track on the record had been circulating through the internet for years, and its validity was disputed and the logistics just didn't make sense. Why would there be only one retail copy of something from a duo that had such a history of releasing DJ promos etc? Since the band dissolved its been possible to find a artistic trail for virtually everything they produced in the form of promos (some print runs as low as 12), previous takes, etc including all sorts of unreleased stuff. But this supposedly legitimate copy of Love Trance kind of exists in a vacuum.
The guy who payed a grand for it wanted it to be special and real, but that doesn't make it so. Think of all the stories from the eBay sellers that say that Sapphire was only for sale at some show, or that only so many copies were made (some number they'll quote, when in reality I'm not sure anyone knows). Then think of the Care4Data releases...how much did the first one go for?
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It might be a BS story, but is far less likely that only one copy of anything digital exists. I can't see any situation in the game development world that would be likely result in only one copy of something. Its just not logical. They don't make the things one at a time like swords or something. There are going to be all sorts of copies in various states of development both on the hard drive of the dev machines (probably a half dozen of those were used) and on CD for testers to play, employees might have taken it home to test on their kids, magazine promo copies, on and on.
This reminds of a guy that paid something like $1100 for what was supposedly the only existing retail copy of The KLF's "Love Trance" 12" (Pure Trance volume 3). For ages it was possible to get the sleeves and labels but it was never pressed, and in fact nobody had ever even heard the song before, not even on a white label.
Virtually everyone on the mailing list at the time thought it was fake. Its not that the song didn't sound like KLF (it sorta did) the track on the record had been circulating through the internet for years, and its validity was disputed and the logistics just didn't make sense. Why would there be only one retail copy of something from a duo that had such a history of releasing DJ promos etc? Since the band dissolved its been possible to find a artistic trail for virtually everything they produced in the form of promos (some print runs as low as 12), previous takes, etc including all sorts of unreleased stuff. But this supposedly legitimate copy of Love Trance kind of exists in a vacuum.
The guy who payed a grand for it wanted it to be special and real, but that doesn't make it so. Think of all the stories from the eBay sellers that say that Sapphire was only for sale at some show, or that only so many copies were made (some number they'll quote, when in reality I'm not sure anyone knows). Then think of the Care4Data releases...how much did the first one go for?
The KLF sucks.
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The KLF sucks.
Yeah, well, if you knew what you could know about what they did, you wouldn't say that. There is so much stuff written on the internet about how crazy awesome these guys were that I'm not going to bother to write much suffice to say that they took the anti-music industry punk ethic further than the Sex Pistols ever could, made a million pounds doing it, nailed said money to a board and toured it as an art exhibit, then burned previously mentioned money, filmed it, toured the film, had the ashes pressed into a brick, filmed the brick, and toured the film of the brick.
Well, Gimpo did a lot of that. The point stands though.
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Oh and make sure to take a picture of yourself with the statue in front of a KFC!
Try special ordering at McDonalds, always a treat.
Buy a phone card from an Iraqi.
Try to use a traditional Japanese toilet on a moving train.
Buy some of those really small, short cigs.
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The KLF sucks.
Yeah, well, if you knew what you could know about what they did, you wouldn't say that. There is so much stuff written on the internet about how crazy awesome these guys were that I'm not going to bother to write much suffice to say that they took the anti-music industry punk ethic further than the Sex Pistols ever could, made a million pounds doing it, nailed said money to a board and toured it as an art exhibit, then burned previously mentioned money, filmed it, toured the film, had the ashes pressed into a brick, filmed the brick, and toured the film of the brick.
I got flamed for not caring about that stuff at Ishkur.com too. The fact still stands, they suck, and they're idiots for wasting that money.
WHAT TIME IS LOVE!! more like What time do you SHUT THE f*ck UP.
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As soon as I can, I will be making a trip to Japan to make him an offer for the game itself, not an ISO but the real thing. My offer: 15000000¥.
(That's about $140K in US dollars.)
Screw that shit! A S&W .500 is much cheaper and far more persuasive.
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As soon as I can, I will be making a trip to Japan to make him an offer for the game itself, not an ISO but the real thing. My offer: 15000000¥.
(That's about $140K in US dollars.)
Screw that shit! A S&W .500 is much cheaper and far more persuasive.
DEAGLE.
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KLF rules, do you like anything in the entire world that other people like?
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KLF rules, do you like anything in the entire world that other people like?
A lot of people hate horrible house techno.
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A lot of people hate good stuff, so what?
I think its probably fair to admit that the 2 or 3 songs that made it on American radio from the KLF are now the most dated sounding stuff and I basically never listen to it. KLF (or rather The Jams as they were known at the time) started out being about really bad rap music that was funny and politically topical. Then it was about Chill Out (re-inventing "space music" into something that it now is), then it was all about "pure trance", which in a lot of ways never advanced. *Then* it was about remixes of the 'pure trance' tracks into the "Stadium House Trilogy", which is the stuff that charted the best and got the most exposure in the US and nauseated the most people.
Now, you'd think that people would understand that any group that gets Tammy Wynette to wear a crown and sit on a thrown and drop lyrics about the Illuminati and the Justified Ancients of Mu Mu is not to be taken seriously. You'd think. But this stuff hit the same time most American pop fans were making the transition from Poison to Soundgarden which must have put them in a real state of confusion.
What I find interesting is that KLF kind of paved the way for the way musicians are doing things now. They didn't give a shit about copyright and they were their own record company. The only thing they didn't foreshadow was the current heavy emphasis on touring.
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I loved that song with Tammy Wynette, f*cking genius.
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This reminds of a guy that paid something like $1100 for what was supposedly the only existing retail copy of The KLF's "Love Trance" 12" (Pure Trance volume 3). For ages it was possible to get the sleeves and labels but it was never pressed, and in fact nobody had ever even heard the song before, not even on a white label.
Virtually everyone on the mailing list at the time thought it was fake. Its not that the song didn't sound like KLF (it sorta did) the track on the record had been circulating through the internet for years, and its validity was disputed and the logistics just didn't make sense. Why would there be only one retail copy of something from a duo that had such a history of releasing DJ promos etc? Since the band dissolved its been possible to find a artistic trail for virtually everything they produced in the form of promos (some print runs as low as 12), previous takes, etc including all sorts of unreleased stuff. But this supposedly legitimate copy of Love Trance kind of exists in a vacuum.
The guy who payed a grand for it wanted it to be special and real, but that doesn't make it so. Think of all the stories from the eBay sellers that say that Sapphire was only for sale at some show, or that only so many copies were made (some number they'll quote, when in reality I'm not sure anyone knows). Then think of the Care4Data releases...how much did the first one go for?
http://www.discogs.com/release/151629
Only 20 fully labelled and sleeved versions exist.
Also there are 3 white label test pressings.
The copy he paid 1100$ for was most likely a Test Pressing. Those are extremely rare.
1100$ is nothing for some of their stuff though.
This USED to go for 2000 pounds (equivalently slightly over 4000$):
http://www.discogs.com/release/140785
I'm honestly surprised that it no longer holds the value that it once did. There were supposedly only 20 copies left, as they burned the originals, so I really doubt that 100 people own that, or that those 3 copies for sale are authentic. There are several different vinyl bootlegs that have been making their rounds over the years. Most likely the venture of the internet and people just wanting the music, rather than the original release has killed off the value extensively. For those clueless about that release, basically the 2 members burned most of the copies after they went to ABBA's doorstep to talk to them about their samples they had used. The release was banned and ordered destroyed because it illegally sampled tons of artists.
You can say The KLF sucked all you want Kitsunexus, if you don't like their music, but you can't sit back and ignore their creativity and the overall scheme of things they did, which blow any other pop band out of the water for the last decade and beyond. The theatrics on their videos are absolutely crazy, and what they did during awards shows in the UK, not to mention all the other things they did, made the whole record industry a farce of itself, much bigger than anything is going on these days, with the exception of possibly selling music via the internet without record companies. Basically the whole thing was an art show / joke, and a lot of people didn't get the joke, because it was way over their head. They even wrote a book, which I forgot the title, but it was something about how to have a #1 single or something.
Go do some research about them and you will easily see what a riot the whole stuff is. Jimmy Cauty is still pulling art stunts to this day. The whole thing is a slap in the art world's face anyway, and like I said, most people don't get the joke.
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Jimmy Cauty is still pulling art stunts to this day.
Sorry, but I'm not a pretentious art f*ck, so I don't find what he does amusing.
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Hmmm.....just to start, I would say
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Sorry, but I'm not a pretentious art f*ck, so I don't find what he does amusing.
No one said you were, nor do you have to. Not to mention I never said pulling art stunts was 'amusing'.
It's a riot, so don't put words in my mouth. :P
My main comment wasn't even about him and his art, so you completely missed the whole point.
Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean that no one else is allowed to.
No one sits around and constantly trashes your 'fetish / lifestyle', or whatever you consider or call it.
Yes, I know about that. Do I care? No.
Everyone is different.
All the above aside, if I went to Japan for a week, I would probably devote 2-3 days to just arcades and gaming shops, and the rest of the time to looking at their country itself. A lot of people go over there and focus on the pop-culture, when that is obviously not the only thing over there. The landscape and scenery is supposed to be much different than in the states, not to mention the monuments and their other attractions besides entertainment. I know we are all gamers here, but there are other things in the world, lol. I think you need to look at how many times you plan on visiting Japan in your lifetime.
But if you don't care, you could pick me up a working X68000 or 2 :wink:.
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No one said you were, nor do you have to. Not to mention I never said pulling art stunts was 'amusing'.
It's a riot, so don't put words in my mouth. :P
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http://www.discogs.com/release/151629
Only 20 fully labelled and sleeved versions exist.
Also there are 3 white label test pressings.
The copy he paid 1100$ for was most likely a Test Pressing. Those are extremely rare.
That isn't a reliable website for KLF discog info. The good places to go are http://www.klf.de/ and http://www.klf-communications.net/
Anything claiming to be Love Trance is fake. The sleeves and labels are real, the actual vinyl is fake. WTIL Monster Attack is real. The actual track that is supposedly Love Trance is almost certainly fake. It was never released. Never promoed. And I've never even heard of a test pressing, fake or otherwise.
1100$ is nothing for some of their stuff though.
This USED to go for 2000 pounds (equivalently slightly over 4000$):
http://www.discogs.com/release/140785
I'm honestly surprised that it no longer holds the value that it once did. There were supposedly only 20 copies left, as they burned the originals, so I really doubt that 100 people own that, or that those 3 copies for sale are authentic. There are several different vinyl bootlegs that have been making their rounds over the years. Most likely the venture of the internet and people just wanting the music, rather than the original release has killed off the value extensively. For those clueless about that release, basically the 2 members burned most of the copies after they went to ABBA's doorstep to talk to them about their samples they had used. The release was banned and ordered destroyed because it illegally sampled tons of artists.
I've never even heard of someone paying 200, let alone 2000 GBP for 1987. Its not that rare at all. Its thousands of times more common that other stuff since it was actually pressed and sent to shops in the thousands. A lot of people bought it before it was recalled. I've known of probably 50 people myself on the KLF mailing list that have owned it. I'd say $120 is a good price, but now that a very authentic bootlegs exist, I'd just do with that.