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Title: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 25, 2008, 04:50:41 AM
We all know that the Turbo Express is the best portable system hands down. 8) But a friend of mine is trying to decide which is best to buy. She's a Nintendo fan, but she just found out that she can play the DS on the PSP - not really sure on the details on how that works.
I have a GBA so I would be more tempted to get the DS as it's backwards compatible, and from what I've gathered the DS also has a better online/multiplayer gaming.
Anywoo, lets get ready to rumble!
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 25, 2008, 05:00:55 AM
We all know that the Turbo Express is the best portable system hands down. 8) But a friend of mine is trying to decide which is best to buy. She's a Nintendo fan, but she just found out that she can play the DS on the PSP - not really sure on the details on how that works.
I have a GBA so I would be more tempted to get the DS as it's backwards compatible, and from what I've gathered the DS also has a better online/multiplayer gaming.
Anywoo, lets get ready to rumble!
DS also doesnt have a weak heart.Its powered by will alone and doesn tbreak easy. Tell her to buy a DS.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Necromancer on January 25, 2008, 05:07:50 AM
I'd choose the PSP because its library (meager though it may be) isn't inundated with Pokemon and other lame kiddie crap. The DS has a few titles that interest me, but not enough to sway me from the PSP's better screen and emulator capabilities.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Michael Helgeson on January 25, 2008, 05:14:39 AM
I'd choose the PSP because its library (meager though it may be) isn't inundated with Pokemon and other lame kiddie crap. The DS has a few titles that interest me, but not enough to sway me from the PSP's better screen and emulator capabilities.
The DS has Devilish :)
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nat on January 25, 2008, 05:39:01 AM
DS all the way.
Don't let Missa see this thread or she will promote the PSP based on the fact you can emulate DOS on a four-inch screen without a keyboard.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 25, 2008, 05:58:18 AM
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Don't let Missa see this thread or she will promote the PSP based on the fact you can emulate DOS on a four-inch screen without a keyboard.
hehe
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: GUTS on January 25, 2008, 06:17:14 AM
Since it's a girl definitely tell her to get a DS- a PSP is too complicated for a typical woman, they need retard-caliber games like Nintendogs and Brain Training or else they get bored really easily.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 25, 2008, 06:33:19 AM
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Since it's a girl definitely tell her to get a DS- a PSP is too complicated for a typical woman, they need retard-caliber games like Nintendogs and Brain Training or else they get bored really easily.
haha. OK, but when I tell her that I'm going to put on my hockey helmet for protection.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 25, 2008, 06:48:37 AM
PSP doesn't have a lot of great games, but the great games it has are TRUELY great, and not just "OK for a while" like most DS great games are.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Joe Redifer on January 25, 2008, 12:36:48 PM
The DS, definitely. It is the only portable game system I will even tolerate. I hate the Turbo Express, the Nomad, the Neo Geo Pocket Color (though that was was't too bad), etc. But since the DS offers more than just stripped-down games on a small screen, it is a unique experience and I love it. Where else can you get games like Phoenix Wright in the US? You won't see shit like that on the main consoles because it doesn't have a military war scenario.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 25, 2008, 12:40:31 PM
Where else can you get games like Phoenix Wright in the US? You won't see shit like that on the main consoles because it doesn't have a military war scenario.
You want the truth!? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! :lol:
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 25, 2008, 02:06:13 PM
It really depends on the games the person wants. You have to be really careful with DS games, as a lot are developed by fly-by-night jokers with no development skills, just a fancy license and too much money to blow on a three month production. Also, companies tend to make a lot of gimmicky games, relying too much on that damned stylus. But the games that ARE good are REALLY good. The PSP has little to offer, I find...the best games for the PSP are developed by homebrewers, not by official dev studios. So realistically, neither has much to brag about, and it all just comes down to the games...buy the system that has the games you want. I chose the DS personally, because homebrew code is far easier to write for it and it had some games I wanted. The PSP has nothing to offer me.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 25, 2008, 02:10:16 PM
To be honest I've been trying to push her towards the DS, but she's getting sucked in by the PSP. I don't know if it's too late to keep her from the Darkside. :pray: The more people I know that have one, the more I'd be inclined to buy one myself. Multiplayer Bomberman. Forget about it. 8)
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 25, 2008, 02:50:06 PM
As awesome as the hardware is the PSP just can't compete with the DS's library. Especially when the GBA library is added to the equation. The PSP also has reliability issues and pathetic battery life.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 25, 2008, 03:01:49 PM
That's a pretty good selling point for the DS...the battery. Man, that thing lasts for ages.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nat on January 25, 2008, 03:05:28 PM
I bought my girl a DS for Christmas, she loves it.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 25, 2008, 03:11:40 PM
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That's a pretty good selling point for the DS...the battery. Man, that thing lasts for ages.
That's hilarious. I just watched a "VS" on youtube by C|Net and they were saying that the DS lite's battery life was inferior to the PSP. Though the reviewer said that the original DS had an amazing battery life. :-k
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 25, 2008, 03:22:45 PM
That's probably a load of cake snuff, as the battery in the DS Lite is vastly superior to the one in the original DS. Whoever did said youtube video probably just got a defunct battery, or is a PSP fanboy.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 25, 2008, 11:28:08 PM
The DS's battery isn't that great compared to the Neo Geo Pocket, or Wonderswan which lasted several times as long, its just great compared to the PSP's which is, really, borderline unusable. The 90s saw great advancement in battery life, but Sony sent us right back to the Turbo Express era.
A couple of hours just isn't good enough because you have to be so vigilant in charging it. If you don't charge it every day, when you go to use it the next day at lunch time its likely go go dead on you. This is doubly stupid since so much of the PSP is centered around things that take time; UMD movies, RPGs with video cinemas, MP3 playback, etc.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 26, 2008, 01:14:44 AM
There are some third party batteries for both handhelds that last a bit longer than the official ones. But both of these machines drain WAY more power than older handhelds like the NGP.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Bonknuts on January 26, 2008, 03:27:17 AM
Quote from: SignOfZeta
A couple of hours just isn't good enough because you have to be so vigilant in charging it.
Umm, you know there are 3rd party batteries that hold longer for PSP, right?
DS has a lot crap imo. Well - crap to me, just maybe not to others. I have both a PSP and DS lite. The only game on the DS that I currently like is the FF3 remake. The Zelda one is ok, too. I'm looking forward to playing the castlevania games on DS.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 26, 2008, 03:51:38 AM
I'm looking forward to playing the castlevania games on DS.
Get Portrait Of Ruin, it's not stylus-gimmicky like Dawn of Sorrow.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 26, 2008, 04:13:46 AM
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Umm, you know there are 3rd party batteries that hold longer for PSP, right?
Do they increase the battery life by a factor of three? I assume they don't, and unless they do its not enough of a fix. Making a battery that lasts 4 hours instead of 3 hours isn't good enough. I need at least a dozen considering the battery life is just going to shrink as time goes on.
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DS has a lot crap imo. Well - crap to me, just maybe not to others. I have both a PSP and DS lite. The only game on the DS that I currently like is the FF3 remake. The Zelda one is ok, too. I'm looking forward to playing the castlevania games on DS.
Of course it has a lot of crap. Its the most popular system in the world by a huge margin, and that means you have a lot of crap to chose from. Its always been that way. Ignore the crap games, they are outside of the equation for anyone that knows how to shop for good stuff. I'm not recommending the DS because it has the most games that say "Bratz" or "NASCAR" on them, I'm recommending it for the good stuff.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 26, 2008, 04:20:25 AM
I was just in a game store last night and was checking out the game libraries of the PSP and the DS. I have to say that the DS is more in line with what I like. They even have an "Arkanoid/Breakout" type game. :mrgreen: The games just seem more fun.
The one thing I do like about the PSP is the big screen. But the DS has two screens, which is cool for adventure games or other games where you need a map.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 26, 2008, 04:30:05 AM
The DS has an actual Arkanoid that comes with a paddle controller that plugs into the GBA slot.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 26, 2008, 04:31:21 AM
The two screens on the DS really opens new doors for game developers. On the other hand, the stylus control opens new doors too...but that generally ends up being doors to lame-ass gimmicky games. Some games are just better off on a single screen, while others seriously benefit from two screens.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 26, 2008, 07:57:15 AM
I'm looking forward to playing the castlevania games on DS.
Get Portrait Of Ruin, it's not stylus-gimmicky like Dawn of Sorrow.
But, IIRC, that's only to seal the bosses(which is annoying, but, I put up with it). I think Dawn of Sorrow is also a great game.
As for the DS itself, might I mention, Ys 1 & 2 are coming seperatly to it, that is another reason to buy a DS. They are basically the Eternal Complete games, but, apparently have more poly's in them, & Ys 1 has been expanded. Though, there are also some Falcom games coming to the PSP as well, like Vantage Master, but, I don't know much about that game.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: MissaFX on January 26, 2008, 09:26:39 AM
I own both systems so I will give you advice from my experience.
- DS Lite - Games: The first game I purchased for it was Meteroid. This game gave me a very false sense of what the DS could do. "I was like, hey, this is passable 3-D, I've been wrong about the DS." However my hopes were quickly shattered when I played nearly every other game for the DS. The graphics quality of the DS on average is something like a very ugly and under polygon'd N64 game. I was never a fan of the N64 (even though it had carts, I tried to love it, but couldn't) but if you are a big fan of the N64 and it's look has some nostalgia value for you, this might be a plus. The color on the games however is usually fine, it's the just the overall graphic quality that will make you want to :-&. The DS is capable of playing FMV in the games, but it is usually less than 10 minutes per game. The quality is better than Youtube, but not as good as FMV on the PC-FX. I am left handed as well and many of the games have no left handed mode making most of the gameplay awkward at best. I often am forced to use a fingernail instead of the stylus because of this. The budgets on quite a few DS games are very small since they are aimed at younger people (IE crap). The system does have great first party games though. A few names stand out like Meteriod, Mario, and even good old Sonic. The games are usually 20-44.99.
Backwards Compatability: The DS also plays GBA games. However these games stick out of the unit when you play and you have to find a place to put the bottom slot cover while you play one of these games. The unit comes with no DS slot cover, so if you only wanted to play GBA games for say a week, there would be no way to cover the other slot. If you do not have an afterburner in your GBA you will be finally able to see games like Castlvania thanks to the backlight!
Construction Quality: Both the DS and PSP have problems with occasional dead pixels. The DS controls however are make for smaller hands than the PSP. The trigger buttons feel very cheap and sometimes get stuck in a slightly diagonal, pressed in mode. You can pry them back, but it might really mess up your gameplay in many games since you have to be very careful and press these buttons very lightly. Many, many DS users crack the back hinge through casual use and play, treat this thing like it is made of eggshell.
Homebrew/Web/Other Extras: If you want to run homebrew on the DS you are going to have to invest in some kind of cart which takes a mini/micro SD card (usually). You will have to buy the memory separately. To browse the web also requires you buy an expansion card with more (slow) system ram. This ram can be used for some homebrew and to web browse. You must also purchase the web browser cart and probably a wifi connector since the DS doesn't really come with wifi. The DS can link with another DS however to play multiplayer games. The homebrew on the DS is mostly "cute" rather than "breath taking".
Screen(s): The screens on the DS are a step up from the screen used on the GBA (I do not own a SP, so I have no idea how it compares). They blur in some games, but not badly. The color seems crisp, you HAVE to buy a screen protector for the lower screen though or over time it will become utterly scratched up from gameplay. If you have not used a DS before, I should note only the bottom screen is a touch screen.
Battery/Charging: The battery in the DS Lite will run my unit on the lowest brightness, 75% volume for about 5-7 hours. The charging time is probably 2 hours on the Nintendo adaptor. The plug on the adaptor however is pretty funky. Make sure the DS will not get yanked or knocked off something while this is plugged into it. The connector looks easy to screw up.
- PSP Slim -
Games: Most games on the PSP have a playstation sized budget for their development and because of this the games often look somewhere in between a PS1 and a PS2 game. Some games look nearly as good as a PS2 games though which is pretty impressive. The PSP also tends to have wonderful music quality since most games are the size of a CD or larger. There are many big name console games present in PSP form like Silent Hill, Metal Gear, Wipeout, Ridge Racer and even Super Puzzle Fighter II: Turbo. 99% of the games have clear, crisp FMV. Built in wifi allows you to play multiplayer games from different rooms in the same house. Games cost between 20-40 dollars. It should be noted if a game is stepped on, the shell might break, thankfully you can order a new one online which is more durable should this happen.
Backwards Compatability: The PSP is capable of playing PS1 games off the memory stick. While it can play 95% of the PS1 games fine, Sony would like to restrict you to only playing a small selection of games, which grows over time. I guess this way the average consumer is more impressed or something. See homebrew paragraph for more PS1 info. The PS1 games play fine on the PSP for the most part, some like FF8 still crash at times. Everything is recreated faithfully and the graphics are improved, much like playing a PS1 game on the PS2. Load times are small thanks to the fast speed of the memory stick.
Construction Quality: The PSP Slim is lighter than the PSP fat for a reason, much of the metal structures which were in the PSP fat to strengthen it have been removed, it still feels more solid than my DS however. There are no problems present in the buttons or d-pad or triggers in the slim and the controls will comfortably fit anyone used to the PS1-3 line of controllers. Be careful of the UMD door since it is probably the weakest part of the system. The power switch on the PSP slim is of better quality than the switch on the PSP fat, this was always one of the weaknesses in the fat as it would fail with years of use.
Homebrew/Web/Other Extras: The PSP can browse the web from the start. Nothing is needed. You can also get RSS feeds, streaming audio broadcasts, play mp4 movies, mp3 audio, wma (if you felt the need) and UMD movies out of the box. The Slim also has a TV out, however you must buy a cable and you must have a progressive HD TV to play games on the out, otherwise you can only display XMB functions like the mp3 player, the movie player, or the web browser. If you install a custom OS to the PSP however you can play nearly any PS1 game you own, you can play popular arcade emulators like CPS 1 and 2, Neo Geo MVS, and older things like the GBA or SNES. With a custom OS you through homebrew programs can play tracker files, wav files, oog (ogg? I forget), Divx and other formats. I personally love playing Sewer Shark on my PSP, it gets really funny reactions from people in public.
Screen: Some PSPs like the DS come with occasional dead pixels. You will want to buy a screen protector so it does not become scratched. The screen however is large and bright. It is very responsive and blur you see in some games is usually (if not always) from the game itself, not the screen. It is possible to adjust things and see this in Ridge Racer for example. The screen is actually one of the best things about the PSP.
Battery/Charging: The Slim comes with a 1200 battery, this battery is fine but you really want to replace it with a 2200 fat battery (if the stock is new it comes with a slim conversion cover, otherwise you can buy one for under 3 dollars with shipping from dealextreme). Then you get easily 6 hours or more of play out of the PSP, even with high brightness (level 3) and 100% volume. Charging the 2200 battery takes about 2 hours, I don't know for the stock one. It has been unused for some time. If you have a custom OS, you can also adjust the clock speed of the PSP which is 100% safe as the cpu and bus are designed to be re-clocked on the fly by the software. This will either add to or shorten battery life. It is very useful though on a road trip if you want to play MP3s because you can clock it all the way down to 75MHz and still play them.
In the end I go with the PSP because it is so much more powerful, but with a Sony OS, you are kinda wasting most of the potential of the PSP. Each unit completely stock, it's kinda a tossup, but I still think the games on the PSP are by far the best.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: guyjin on January 26, 2008, 12:10:16 PM
Backwards Compatability: The DS also plays GBA games and GB games,
The DS does not play original Game Boy games, or Game Boy Color games.
It doesn't? Let me go check, I thought it did. Ah, it's my GBA that plays gameboy games, but they stick out too.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 26, 2008, 12:17:35 PM
The DS is incapable of playing GB and GBC games because it lacks a Z80 processor.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 26, 2008, 12:21:23 PM
The DS doesn't play original GBA games because it lacks the Z80. In theory this should make a lot of GBA games sound weird as well.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ParanoiaDragon on January 26, 2008, 01:23:36 PM
I have the original DS, & the PSP Lite or whatever it's called.
I think ultimately, I like my DS more, it has quite a few side scrolling 2D games that I enjoy, like the Castlevania's & the Mega Man ZX series, & various Mario related games. I'm still waiting for Metroid Dread, if it ever comes out! We need another 2D Metroid or 3, or 5, or 10. I love me some 2D Metroid, come on Nintendo, get on the BALL!
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 26, 2008, 02:07:03 PM
What's this my friend keeps telling me that the PSP can play DS games? The only thing I can think of is that it can play copied versions of the games. :-k I really have no clue what that is about.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Turbo D on January 26, 2008, 02:40:10 PM
If you get custom firmware on a psp, you can run emulators. I imagine there is a ds emulator for it. I don't know how you'd play em' with out the touch screen though, haha.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 26, 2008, 02:41:16 PM
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I don't know how you'd play em' with out the touch screen though, haha.
That's a very good point. I'll have to mention that to her as well. lol
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 26, 2008, 03:09:33 PM
If you get custom firmware on a psp, you can run emulators. I imagine there is a ds emulator for it. I don't know how you'd play em' with out the touch screen though, haha.
You would use the analog nub.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 26, 2008, 04:11:04 PM
I've never been concerned with the FMV or 3D powers of the DS. Virtually everything I own is 2D. I really don't like 3D very much at all, which is just another reason I like the DS.
People that don't like the DS, or complain about all the bad games...I think they just don't know what to buy.
Here is a promo video for Super Robot Wars W, probably my favorite DS game:
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: MissaFX on January 26, 2008, 04:28:57 PM
Quote from: ceti alpha
What's this my friend keeps telling me that the PSP can play DS games? The only thing I can think of is that it can play copied versions of the games. :-k I really have no clue what that is about.
There was a DS emulator which ran something like a Hello World, but there is currently no DS emulator for the PSP.
Quote from: turbo D
If you get custom firmware on a psp, you can run emulators. I imagine there is a ds emulator for it. I don't know how you'd play em' with out the touch screen though, haha.
There is a touch screen for the PSP, it goes over the normal screen and plugs into the USB port. As far as I know they only make it for the PSP fat and only homebrew uses it so far.
There's also a tilt sensor for the PSP which plugs into the headphone jack and someone has hacked Loco Roco to play with it :mrgreen:
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: MissaFX on January 26, 2008, 04:36:11 PM
I've never been concerned with the FMV or 3D powers of the DS. Virtually everything I own is 2D. I really don't like 3D very much at all, which is just another reason I like the DS.
People that don't like the DS, or complain about all the bad games...I think they just don't know what to buy.
The PSP has at least as many 2-D games as the DS. 2-D is a pretty established tech though that really is more affected by the pixel artist than the hardware of the PSP or the DS. This is why I focused on the 3-D ability. No matter how good the assembly programmer, there is no way the DS can look graphically superior to the PSP.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Kitsunexus on January 26, 2008, 04:40:20 PM
No matter how good the assembly programmer, there is no way the DS can look graphically superior to the PSP.
That's entirely dependent on whoever makes the graphics. I've seen some 3D DS games that put some 3D PSP games to shame in the graphics department. This comparison only holds weight if the two top developers for both consoles were to put forth their very best effort, and since this will never, ever happen (gotta keep that cash flow going, and you can't do that if you spend too much time on a game), neither console has any real advantage and both look pretty much the same, with some games having a momentary advantage.
There is no working DS emulator for the PSP, the early attempt thus far isn't anywhere near being able to be called functional. Maybe in a year.
If you want a handheld for emulators, skip both the PSP and the DS and get yourself a GP2X.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: MissaFX on January 27, 2008, 05:29:24 AM
No matter how good the assembly programmer, there is no way the DS can look graphically superior to the PSP.
That's entirely dependent on whoever makes the graphics. I've seen some 3D DS games that put some 3D PSP games to shame in the graphics department. This comparison only holds weight if the two top developers for both consoles were to put forth their very best effort, and since this will never, ever happen (gotta keep that cash flow going, and you can't do that if you spend too much time on a game), neither console has any real advantage and both look pretty much the same, with some games having a momentary advantage.
There is no working DS emulator for the PSP, the early attempt thus far isn't anywhere near being able to be called functional. Maybe in a year.
This is what I said about DS emulation:
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There was a DS emulator which ran something like a Hello World, but there is currently no DS emulator for the PSP.
How does what you say refute my argument?
It seems your other argument here is that the best DS game you have ever seen was better than the worst PSP game you have ever seen. This could be true, there are a few ugly, early PSP games. However I still believe it is a fact that the DS's 3-D is 90% of the time or more inferior to the PSP.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2008, 05:49:46 AM
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neither console has any real advantage and both look pretty much the same, with some games having a momentary advantage.
You're batty. There is no way in hell the DS can do something like Shotoku Battle the way the PSP does it. Of course, you're going to recharge your battery between every race because the load time is f*cking *horrible*, but regardless, its way way beyond the DS.
Once again, I think you people are just playing the wrong games.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: GUTS on January 27, 2008, 07:51:26 AM
I can't believe somebody just said that the PSP and DS graphics look about the same, holy shit. Thats like saying the PSone and Dreamcast have about equal graphics.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 27, 2008, 08:47:57 AM
People, we can nitpick over specific examples all day long and it doesn't make a shits bits worth of difference. Fact is that I've yet to see a PSP game so "uber-great!!!" that I just have to buy it. The games look no better than DS games, irregardless of 2D or 3D.
And frankly, I rarely saw a huge difference between the PS1 and the DC. The DC had an advantage sometimes but for the most part, the games looked pretty damn similar. But hey, excuse me for not noticing the difference of 1k more polys per second on the DC. :P
Fanboys suck.
Missa: I wasn't refuting your argument.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: MissaFX on January 27, 2008, 11:14:39 AM
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Missa: I wasn't refuting your argument.
Ok, the thing that makes it funny to me is that I stayed up all last night playing a DS game (the new advance wars). From level 1 to 16 (and most of the optional levels too) without a break. It's a great game!
I've never blindly followed a single brand myself, I just buy the systems which will play the games I want to play. If the DS was really "all that" I would own 3 DSs instead of 3 PSPs and 1 DS, in the end that's my personal final argument.
I hate Sony but I am willing to give them business, three times because their portable is so fun to multiplay with.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: SignOfZeta on January 27, 2008, 12:12:58 PM
People, we can nitpick over specific examples all day long and it doesn't make a shits bits worth of difference. Fact is that I've yet to see a PSP game so "uber-great!!!" that I just have to buy it. The games look no better than DS games, irregardless of 2D or 3D.
And frankly, I rarely saw a huge difference between the PS1 and the DC. The DC had an advantage sometimes but for the most part, the games looked pretty damn similar. But hey, excuse me for not noticing the difference of 1k more polys per second on the DC. :P
Yeah dude, I think you are blind or something. The Dreamcast is a hundred times more powerful that the PS1. The DC was the first system to have 3D games I actually liked because I could actually tell WTF I was looking at.
Hell, you can even run PS1 games on the DC under Bleemcast and see a huge difference in quality, and that's just updating the resolution and texture smoothing. The poly count is the same since its still a PS game.
Shenmue on PS1? Yeah, I don't think so.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nat on January 27, 2008, 01:10:51 PM
Haha, yeah, the DC is definitely much closer to the PS2 graphically than the PS1. I refuse to touch 99% of the 3D games on the PS1 because those first generation polygons are ass-ugly. I wish we could erase that era of gaming from history. The Nintendo 64 was a little better but not much. I still stear clear of most of that shit.
The DC on the other hand completely rules. I love it.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: GUTS on January 27, 2008, 03:13:22 PM
Oh yes we're all Dreamcast/PSP fanboys because we can see the difference in graphics between them and inferior systems, very astute observation there.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Keranu on January 27, 2008, 03:38:37 PM
I agree with nod where I don't think PSP games look majorly better or anything, even though I really haven't seen enough to give a good judgement. They both look like 32-bit era graphics except better to me.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 27, 2008, 04:34:27 PM
GUTS: Die.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: MissaFX on January 27, 2008, 05:11:18 PM
Oh yes we're all Dreamcast/PSP fanboys because we can see the difference in graphics between them and inferior systems, very astute observation there.
Rock the f*ck on! \m/ 8) \m/
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 27, 2008, 10:52:36 PM
Oh yes GUTS, you are so right. I just ran out and bought a DC and played THE MOST AWESOMENESS GAMES EVAR!! I though I was playing a PS3, those games were so freakin cool. And while I was out, I got myself a PSP too. And see, while playing some of the most innovative games ever made, I was so convinced that I was sitting inside the console, the insane graphics just sucked me right in! WOW! You were so right!!!!!! Like ZOMG how could I have been so blind!
...and if you believe a word of what I just said, you're a complete tool.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 28, 2008, 01:34:04 AM
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I agree with nod where I don't think PSP games look majorly better or anything, even though I really haven't seen enough to give a good judgement. They both look like 32-bit era graphics except better to me.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I see. A slight improvement over PS1 which was pretty terrible. I agree with nat in not having much nostalgia for that era in gaming. Aside from James Bond:Golden Eye on the N64 and Tomb Raider on the PS1. Oh I did play some Soccer on the N64; sports games improved significantly. Oh and I played Resident Evil for about a week straight once. That's it. That is the extent of my gaming in that era, besides probably plugging in my old TG-16 once in a while - if I still even had it at that time. :-k heh.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nat on January 28, 2008, 03:16:07 AM
My TG-16 and Genesis got me through that dark stage of video gaming. I didn't buy another new console after the 16-bit era until the GameCube. I would've bought a Dreamcast when they came out but they were too expensive-- I got a GC first.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nectarsis on January 28, 2008, 04:09:18 AM
I actually own both theDS, and the PSP. I love both as both have many good games. I agree the PSP does have a bunch of ports, but some of those are GREAT. I am currently playing Disgaea on the PSP, and the new Advance Wars on the DS. The thing that bothers me is that sooooooo many people think that the DSis sooooo inovative just because of the touch screen. Yes it is a great idea, but underutalized on many games, and just tacked on for show in a lot of others. I buy systems for games, and both systems do have a lot of good games.
BTW..for those who feel the PSP has PS1 level graphics, you need to put some real time in with the system. Final Fantasy Crisis Core, Disgaea, Jeanna D'Arc, Brave Story....all gourgeous. There are MASSIVE differences in graphics between the two (not that is the end all be all).
My DS gets almost equal play time vs. my PSP. I love both, and as long as games I want to play come out, I buy them regardless of system
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: Necromancer on January 28, 2008, 04:10:17 AM
...and if you believe a word of what I just said, you're a complete tool.
I am a complete and utter tool, yet I still don't believe you. :)
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: GUTS on January 28, 2008, 06:29:45 AM
If you can't tell the difference graphically between something like Crisis Core (like Nectarsis mentioned) and ANY 3D DS game then you're just plain retarded, end of story. There's not even an argument there, you're just a f*cking moron.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 28, 2008, 01:33:54 PM
Today I saw a used DC in a Play n Trade for $40...almost picked it up, as I've been meaning to get one. But alas, they didn't have any games I wanted for it, so I had to pass for now.
GUTS, I just enjoy pushing your buttons. You're bloody easy to get riled up.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 28, 2008, 02:52:34 PM
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My TG-16 and Genesis got me through that dark stage of video gaming. I didn't buy another new console after the 16-bit era until the GameCube. I would've bought a Dreamcast when they came out but they were too expensive-- I got a GC first.
Yup. I'd love to see some of these youngsters handle games like Galaga. -
Young gamer "This game sucks!"
Me Ok, well make it past level 3 and we'll talk.
I love some of the new stuff that's out there, don't get me wrong; but man it just ain't the same. But I guess people will be saying that when holodecks come out - "Man, remember when you had to use a controller? That was real gaming." - And maybe they'd be right. :P
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 28, 2008, 03:22:28 PM
Ironically, I saw a young kid (8 or so years old) attempting to play Galaga on one of those TV Games things today at one of the KB stores we service. The kid couldn't even pass the first stage; the game owned him so hard it wasn't even funny. And he tried three times...finally on the last try he was able to pass the first stage but then got immediately creamed on the second. He got pissed, dropped the controller, and left the store all mad. Classic. :clap:
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: MissaFX on January 28, 2008, 05:09:52 PM
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I love some of the new stuff that's out there, don't get me wrong; but man it just ain't the same. But I guess people will be saying that when holodecks come out - "Man, remember when you had to use a controller? That was real gaming." - And maybe they'd be right. :P
My holodeck will have controllers, they will just be wireless for the first time in my life. I'll be saying, "Hey, remember how many times you have "died" because you pulled out the controller? Well, I've got wireless baby!"
They'll probably just blink at me too.
#-o
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 28, 2008, 05:13:22 PM
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Ironically, I saw a young kid (8 or so years old) attempting to play Galaga on one of those TV Games things today at one of the KB stores we service. The kid couldn't even pass the first stage; the game owned him so hard it wasn't even funny. And he tried three times...finally on the last try he was able to pass the first stage but then got immediately creamed on the second. He got pissed, dropped the controller, and left the store all mad. Classic. Applause
:o haha! No way!!! :clap:
That is just plain old funny right there. Me and my brother were just the other night chatting about video games and the new generation. We imagined kids making fun of Galaxian and Galaga, but then challenging them to even make it to stage 3. lol.
I just can't believe you actually witnessed it!!! haha :clap:
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My holodeck will have controllers, they will just be wireless for the first time in my life. I'll be saying, "Hey, remember how many times you have "died" because you pulled out the controller? Well, I've got wireless baby!"
They'll probably just blink at me too.
d'oh!
hehe.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: nodtveidt on January 28, 2008, 05:27:02 PM
That is just plain old funny right there. Me and my brother were just the other night chatting about video games and the new generation. We imagined kids making fun of Galaxian and Galaga, but then challenging them to even make it to stage 3. lol.
I just can't believe you actually witnessed it!!! haha :clap:
Similar acts of hilarity aren't uncommon to us. Since we visit so many KB stores a week, we get to see all kinds of fun stuff like this. You name it, and kids get owned by it. Watching them play Pac Man is always the funniest. Some stores even had Mortal Kombat TV games set up at one point, and none of those little dweebs could get past the first opponent.
The best times are always when parents come in with their kids, and their parents completely kick their kids' asses at the old games. I've even seen mothers clean house in Pac Man, doing like twelve levels straight before finally getting hit by a ghost.
Title: Re: PSP vs. DS
Post by: ceti alpha on January 29, 2008, 09:30:41 AM
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The best times are always when parents come in with their kids, and their parents completely kick their kids' asses at the old games. I've even seen mothers clean house in Pac Man, doing like twelve levels straight before finally getting hit by a ghost.