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Non-NEC Console Related Discussion => Console Chat => Topic started by: TR0N on January 25, 2008, 05:03:29 PM
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Well another library of games for nintendo to tap into.
http://kotaku.com/348928/master-system-coming-to-vc
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Its about time. Too bad they're not cheaper though. Hopefully the games will have the option of fm or psg sound.
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Who wants to bet it'll be PSG only?
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WOOT!
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Who wants to bet it'll be PSG only?
It'll probably be PSG only here and any games that supported fm will be fm only in Japan. :roll:
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Oops. Wrong forum! This shouldn't be in the VC forum. Moving to whatever that one forum is where we discuss other consoles 'n stuff... Console Chat.
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almost a month later, and still no SMS? what's the deal?
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I can't wait for VC Doom.
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Doom was ported to the SMS? No way.
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Doom was ported to the SMS? No way.
f*ck, I'd be suprised if the Brazilians hadn't at least tried it.
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Oops. Wrong forum! This shouldn't be in the VC forum. Moving to whatever that one forum is where we discuss other consoles 'n stuff... Console Chat.
It is that's odd it's related to the vc oh well what ever #-o
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apparently that forum is only for the tg-16/pce virtual console :?
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apparently that forum is only for the tg-16/pce virtual console :?
Damn that is so bias ! I better write a letter to my congressman and demand a recount :roll:
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apparently that forum is only for the tg-16/pce virtual console :?
Damn that is so basis ! I better write a letter to my congressman and demand a recount :roll:
It is the basis of what??? :shock:
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Damn that is so bias ! I better write a letter to my congressman and demand a recount :roll:
Hey man, I agree! However I don't really think we need a dedicated forum to TG/PCE Virtual Console. I should write up my consolidated, cleaner forum listing once I straighten it out in my head.
Also, write a letter to your Senator as well. Might make things go quicker.
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apparently that forum is only for the tg-16/pce virtual console :?
Damn that is so bias ! I better write a letter to my congressman and demand a recount :roll:
It is the basis of what??? :shock:
Fixed i ment bias as in ment there so anti about any non-TG16 vc talk :roll:
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Well, these are the PCEngineFX forums, after all. God forbid we have an area dedicated to the Turbo/PCE on the Virtual Console.
Although I won't argue that the general PCE/Turbo areas should be merged.
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Fixed i ment bias as in ment there so anti about any non-TG16 vc talk :roll:
Ah, ok I get ya.
As for the topic of the VC TG-16 forum, the only thread of importance is Virtual Console TG-16 Game List. Why can't we just mirror sticky (right) said thread in both the TG-16 and PC-Engine Discussion and get rid of the VC forum?
All the other threads are just rehashes of "Y SO BLURRY LOL" and "HAI GUYZ DO YOU WANT TO SEE DRACULA X ON VC", and that shit is perfectly at home in Console Chat.
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Well, these are the PCEngineFX forums, after all. God forbid we have an area dedicated to the Turbo/PCE on the Virtual Console.
Although I won't argue that the general PCE/Turbo areas should be merged.
As for bias comment i was kidding still to me if the,VC thread was more then about then just TG16 dicussion.Then there be some thing more to talk about then.
Such as the news regarding release for the snes,genesis and neogeo etc.
Guess i feel it would lead to more less confusion then.
Not to mention what happens when hudson runs out of "TG16 games" to emulate.
Yeah i can see that thread realy lasting then.
Just my 2 cents :wink:
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Kits actually has a great idea for once! :P I like it. There's not enough VC action to warrant an entire forum of it's own. A sticky thread would be great.
I moved another thread out of that section (TG-16 VC forum) as well and was going to move more, but they were all locked and didn't feel it'd be worth it.
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almost a month later, and still no SMS? what's the deal?
Maybe they put Tonka in charge of the U.S. releases. :roll:
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almost a month later, and still no SMS? what's the deal?
Maybe they put Tonka in charge of the U.S. releases. :roll:
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Awesome! I hope they bring the SMS version of the first Sonic game there!
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Awesome! I hope they bring the SMS version of the first Sonic game there!
Uhh why the genesis version is enough i take phantasy star over the sms sonic.
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Awesome! I hope they bring the SMS version of the first Sonic game there!
Uhh why the genesis version is enough i take phantasy star over the sms sonic.
Because SMS Sonic is a good game.
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Yes, and it stands on it's own with unique stages. It's not just a port of the Genesis version. It also has music by Yuzo Koshiro (true).
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Yes, and it stands on it's own with unique stages. It's not just a port of the Genesis version. It also has music by Yuzo Koshiro (true).
Yay well dunno i think there's enough version of sonic all ready.
Still i take a zillon on the vc as well.
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Just as long as theres an option to switch the jump and action buttons around. I hate jumping with button 1 and shooting with button 2. That's the only thing that bothers me about playing those early SMS games on a real system. I should probably take a spare controller and swap the button signals around.
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I know that people say there's a 'right' way and a 'wrong' way to have the jump/fire buttons, but I never notice; I just adapt to what the game uses.
However, it becomes more important when you get 3 or more action buttons...
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Awesome! I hope they bring the SMS version of the first Sonic game there!
Are the SMS Sonic games all the same as the Game Gear versions?
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Awesome! I hope they bring the SMS version of the first Sonic game there!
Are the SMS Sonic games all the same as the Game Gear versions?
Yes.
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Yes, with more screen area/resolution.
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Yes, and it stands on it's own with unique stages. It's not just a port of the Genesis version. It also has music by Yuzo Koshiro (true).
Really? So THAT'S the Sonic game he worked on! Awesome! I like it more now.
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Who wants to bet it'll be PSG only?
It'll probably be PSG only here and any games that supported fm will be fm only in Japan. :roll:
Shouldn't be too difficult for them to use FM music. Most SMS games released in North America and Europe actually had FM on the Rom, it was the consoles that didn't support the sound even though it was there. There was a thread a year or two on another forum that listed the games that had FM music hidden on them, and links to emulated versions of the games with the better quality sound.
As you say though, it'll likely only be PSG since they'll just bundle the games on to disc....
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So far Phantasy Star is the only game I've found that had the FM sound support taken out.
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What's so great about FM sound anyways? We used it on the Commodore 64 and it was tough as nails to properly produce anything decent; PSG chips make it much easier to produce better-sounding music.
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From the clips I've heard of SMS R-type, the FM module really makes it sound like a Genesis.
one of the members here posted the clip, can't remember who.
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From the clips I've heard of SMS R-type, the FM module really makes it sound like a Genesis.
one of the members here posted the clip, can't remember who.
R-Type is one of the best examples of SMS fm though... from what I've had a chance to play so far...
I like the music better than the arcade version.
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Yeah... but to be quite honest, it doesn't take much to beat the arcade version's sound. I like the PSG version better as well.
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What's so great about FM sound anyways? We used it on the Commodore 64 and it was tough as nails to properly produce anything decent; PSG chips make it much easier to produce better-sounding music.
Its just cool to have an alternate soundtrack in games. Like the option of PSG tunes in Dragon Slayer.
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Looks like Wonderboy and Fantasy Zone are first up and they're only 400 points.
http://www.gamingbits.com/content/view/3736/2/
Since both games didn't support fm audio, we won't yet know if it'll be available in future games.
Any guesses on how they'll attempt to censor Wonderboy's island "natives", or "Chibi Crow's" as they named in the Mark III manual? :P :lol: :dance:
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YES! about f*cking time. $4 is very nice. I'd have paid $6, or 8 for Phantasy Star.
As for wonderboy... it shouldn't be too hard to recolor, right?
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Oh wow, only $4... Nice!
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YES! about f*cking time. $4 is very nice. I'd have paid $6, or 8 for Phantasy Star.
As for wonderboy... it shouldn't be too hard to recolor, right?
I'm guessing that it'll also be altered/redrawn. Maybe as an animal, like the running fox/wolf or something.
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I don't get it. What are you guys talking about?
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Must be some sort of in-joke. As an SMS gamer, I sure as hell don't get it.
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Perhaps can a screenshot be shown of the Chibi Crows from Wonderboy here? That way, there can be more of a proper understanding of this, and I'm curious to know what they look like, too :P.
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I don't know what they are referring to either, but I sense stereotypical black people (think DeeJay from SF2 or Lucky from KoF :P ).
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tried to google some screenshots, but couldn't find much.
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If people get offended by Loco Roco and Nintendo or whoever has decided to censor things like "Star of David" symbols, then I can't see anyway that they'd Wonderboy get released with an enemy character like this-
(http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/img/chibicrow_sms.gif)
And although it shouldn't really be any more offensive, from what I've seen in American news over the years, the hero/main character makes it worse.
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I still don't get it. Is that supposed to be a blue tar baby?
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Yeah I don't get it either. I don't see anything in that picture that anyone in their right mind would be offended by, except maybe someone in the Blue Man Group.
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This man is offended:
(http://cache.gawker.com/assets/stills/blue_man.flv.jpg)
After all,...That was him!!!??!! :lol:
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Maybe I'm pretty misguided about what passes as offensive in the U.S., even though I've seen island/jungle native stereotypes criticized in the media in recent years.
But its obvious that the blue color isn't supposed to represent a blue colored character anymore than Tom Tom/Boy's hair is supposed to be yellow instead of blonde. This is an 8-bit game from 1986. Otherwise they'd have named it something like "Blueberry Boy".
Here's the original artwork from the japanese manual-
(http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/img/chibicrow_art.jpg)
After grabbing the screenshot, I was curious how Sega would've handled the character art and desciption in the english manual, since it still predated political correctness. It turned out that the manual I found in the nearest copy of the game was an international edition.
Here's the art and descriptions-
(http://www.superpcenginegrafx.com/img/chibicrow_art1.jpg)
Here are the translations-
COAL KID
CHIBICROW: Lil' Crow
Scharzes Kind: Black Child
BEBES NOIR: Black Baby
NEGRETTO: -sounds like the rest
If people still don't find it offensive then so be it. But it doesn't change what the character is supposed to be.
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Oh. OK. Taking into account he is, in fact, BLUE in the game I don't think anyone is going to have any issues. I actually thought all these years that enemy was some kind of big-headed bird or something. Yeah, I'm serious.
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Oh. OK. Taking into account he is, in fact, BLUE in the game I don't think anyone is going to have any issues. I actually thought all these years that enemy was some kind of big-headed bird or something. Yeah, I'm serious.
I'm interested in finding out what they call him in the manual if he's left untouched. :P
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Very interesting name differences, Black_Tiger! Some of those names sound they like came straight outta old days, I wouldn't be suprised of the name "Coon Kid" crossed their minds.
I don't think this is as racist as the heads in Doki Doki Panic though.
(http://images.progressiveboink.com/mike/dokidokipanic/voodoohead.gif)
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Thanks for providing the screenshot for us, Black Tiger. That doesn't seem to be too bad at all, but I think I might know what you're referring to in terms of offense. There has been some conspiracy over the appearance of characters resembling the one named "Black Face", who had large black lips and supposedly did some suggestive actions, and making alternations possible to avoid making reference to him. This is why the pokemon Jynx now has purple skin as opposed to having black before (I haven't read too much on this, however).
To get back appropriately on topic, although the games are in a "soon" date, I'm suspecting that the games will be released as early as sometime in the month of April.
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Wonder Boy was just released for Virtual Console today. For those who are interested, it is available for 500 points. I came pretty close saying the releases would be in April, but the first ended up being on the last day of March :P.
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Wonder Boy was just released for Virtual Console today. For those who are interested, it is available for 400(?) points. I came pretty close saying the releases would be in April, but the first ended up being on the last day of March :P.
I bought it today and it turns out that they jacked up the price at the last minute. So it looks like SMS games will all be 500+ points.
Coal Kid appears unaltered, but the manual omitted enemy names, even though they retained "God of Death".
The image quality is very nice (none of that Turbo VC blur), but it looks like the scrolling may be a bit choppy. Also some instruments sound a little garbled. Still lots of fun.
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I bought it today and it turns out that they jacked up the price at the last minute. So it looks like SMS games will all be 500+ points.
I said before that I would buy them at 600 points, and I would, but this makes me go [-(
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African American Tiger, could you please record a short video of the gameplay so that we may harshly judge the emulation?
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African American Tiger, could you please record a short video of the gameplay so that we may harshly judge the emulation?
I think I've used that name before!
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African American Tiger, could you please record a short video of the gameplay so that we may harshly judge the emulation?
I'll try to record some video tonight after work, but my card only records 30fps, so it might not be noticeable.
I played Gunstar Heroes right after Wonderboy and it looked normal, so I'll record some of that too to see if there's a perceivable difference.
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From what I've seen the Genesis emulation seems to be pretty much right on.