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Title: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: neokellyzero on February 08, 2008, 06:21:46 AM: I picked up a coregrafx and it has an issue with the video output. It kind of remind me of when the 72 pin on a NES goes bad:

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/neokellyzero/CIMG0007-1.jpg)

The audio is fine, and it runs the game with no problem other than the video. I tried several game and they all were like this.

I hooked it up to a CD Rom attachment and same results

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/neokellyzero/CIMG0008-1.jpg)

(http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/neokellyzero/CIMG0009-1.jpg)

Any suggestions? Is this fixable or am I going to need a new unit?
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: nat on February 08, 2008, 06:27:22 AM: Wow.

Ummm.... Wow.

I was going to suggest a dirty cartridge slot, as that is usually the culprit for this problem.

Although, that system card screen.... You didn't actually use a System Card, did you? You just used the internal BIOS on the Super CD-ROM^2 attachment, right? That rules out the cartridge slot.

You've got an internal problem. And that's not what I would classify a video problem. The video is outputting just fine. The problem lies in the information the CPU is providing the video circuitry. I'd say you have a CPU problem or a RAM problem of some sort. I'm not sure if it's fixable. We need to narrow down the component causing the problem which appears to be an IC on the logic board itself. Beyond that my expertise ends. Maybe someone else here who has done more internal tinkering can shed a little more light.
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: termis on February 09, 2008, 05:15:56 PM: I'd agree with nat's assessment.

Have you tried the video output ports on both the CoreGrafx and the CD-ROM interface? If one of them works, then well, great -- you've found the problem, though I'd be caught off guard if that was really it.

Troubleshooting something like this might be a tough job for the average Joe. Wishing you best of luck is the best I can do for you. :?
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: spenoza on February 10, 2008, 02:22:40 PM: Quote from: termis on February 09, 2008, 05:15:56 PM
Troubleshooting something like this might be a tough job for the average Joe. Wishing you best of luck is the best I can do for you. :?

We should stick Redifer on it. He's far from average.
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: Necromancer on February 10, 2008, 04:51:30 PM: Quote from: spenoza on February 10, 2008, 02:22:40 PM
We should stick Redifer on it. He's far from average.

Oh, yes - he's 'special'. :)
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: nat on February 10, 2008, 05:25:29 PM: He's far from average, even special, but I don't know that he knows a lot about the logic board of a CoreGrafx. Although it's true that he never ceases to amaze....
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: ceti alpha on February 11, 2008, 01:03:53 AM: Quote
He's far from average, even special, but I don't know that he knows a lot about the logic board of a CoreGrafx. Although it's true that he never ceases to amaze....

...crosses fingers...

I hate to see an NEC console under the weather.
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: FM-77 on February 11, 2008, 03:06:32 AM: (http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2998/39440803030823recycle20mq4.html)
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: ceti alpha on February 11, 2008, 04:23:26 AM: :o

NEC certainly was ahead of their time in not only electronics, but with the environmental movement as well. I didn't realize the Coregrafx II was recyclable. :P
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: neokellyzero on February 11, 2008, 10:37:29 AM: Quote from: termis on February 09, 2008, 05:15:56 PM
Have you tried the video output ports on both the CoreGrafx and the CD-ROM interface? If one of them works, then well, great -- you've found the problem, though I'd be caught off guard if that was really it.

Yeah -it does it on both. I was hoping that someone had run across something like this before- it sounds like I may be SOL. I'm pretty handy with a soldering iron, and have done some console mods(with a guide in hand) in the past, so if it were a matter of replacing some components or something along that line I could do it, but as far as figuring out what the issue is I'm clueless. I hate to shell out for another core-
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: nat on February 11, 2008, 10:38:41 AM: It's the CPU or RAM.

My money is you have bad RAM.
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: SNKNostalgia on February 11, 2008, 11:51:09 AM: Bad Ram is definitely the most likely problem. Also, is the Coregrafx II using the right AC adapter?
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: neokellyzero on February 11, 2008, 11:58:58 AM: I'm using the original pad-105 ac adaptor. So if it were the ram would I just need to replace the two RAM chips? I'm guessing that replacements the exact replacements would hard to find, so am I out of luck on this or do you guys think it's worth trying to repair?
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: nat on February 11, 2008, 12:49:36 PM: I've never had to source RAM for these things-- it's not exactly a common problem.

If you (or someone) wants to open up the CG and see what kind of RAM chips it uses I'll see if I have anything on hand that might work. I have a very large supply of computer boards and equipment from the same era as the CoreGrafx, so you never know.
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: neokellyzero on February 16, 2008, 03:54:01 PM: I opened it up and here is a close up of the RAM chips-

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/neokellyzero/ram.jpg

Any ideas where I can score replacements or can I substitute anything else for them?

Edit: Never mind I think I found a suitable replacement-
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: guyjin on February 17, 2008, 03:34:45 AM: Quote from: neokellyzero on February 16, 2008, 03:54:01 PM
Edit: Never mind I think I found a suitable replacement-

Can we see?
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: Game-Tech.US on February 17, 2008, 04:25:51 AM: What kind of connections to the tv have you tried? Have you tried using differnt connections from the core to the tv, could just be bad cables. Its happened to me more than once...
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: nat on February 17, 2008, 01:33:52 PM: Quote from: akaviolence on February 17, 2008, 04:25:51 AM
What kind of connections to the tv have you tried? Have you tried using differnt connections from the core to the tv, could just be bad cables. Its happened to me more than once...

That is most definitely not the result of a bad video connection (ports, cables, or otherwise).

This is made evident by the pic of the BIOS screen with the garbage characters. Internal issue, no question.

Quote from: neokellyzero on February 16, 2008, 03:54:01 PM
I opened it up and here is a close up of the RAM chips-

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/neokellyzero/ram.jpg

Any ideas where I can score replacements or can I substitute anything else for them?

Edit: Never mind I think I found a suitable replacement-

Hmm... Link?
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: neokellyzero on February 18, 2008, 02:56:20 PM: Here is what I'm looking at as a replacement-

http://www.arcadecomponents.citymax.com/catalog/item/2251646/2173494.htm
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180213578920

I think either one of these should do the trick-
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: nat on February 18, 2008, 03:05:05 PM: Awesome, let us know what happens.
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: blueraven on November 01, 2008, 02:11:39 PM: Hello and thanks for this post. :mrgreen:

What was the result with the new RAM chips in the Coregrafx? The reason why I ask is because I had a similar video issue with my PC Engine Duo; Good CPU, bad RAM. After reading the thread here, I ended up ordering the same set of SRAM from arcadecomponents.com.

I'll carry my issue over to a new topic and have some photos posted soon.

Cheers, and thanks for helping diagnose my problem.

blueraven
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: bust3dstr8 on November 09, 2008, 03:47:35 AM: Ack....surface mount chips #-o
GL on the repair, I sure as hell wouldn't have had the dedication to try to fix it.
Title: Re: CoreGrafx II Video issue
Post by: blueraven on November 09, 2008, 07:58:18 AM: Quote from: bust3dstr8 on November 09, 2008, 03:47:35 AM
Ack....surface mount chips #-o
GL on the repair, I sure as hell wouldn't have had the dedication to try to fix it.

Cheers, I'm still waiting on the RAM to arrive from arcadecomponents.com. :-k . I had this same problem with a model 2 Genesis some years back and I turned it into a paperweight.

- blueraven