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Tech and Homebrew => Turbo/PCE Game/Tool Development => Topic started by: nodtveidt on May 13, 2008, 02:48:19 AM
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Since we're toying with the idea of making Mysterious Song a double-disc set (game disc + OST), this has become something of a debate. So, it's open to public opinion. This isn't a decision that needs to be made right now, but obviously will need to be made come pressing time. So, vote away. :D
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I have to vote for robust. I don't want my case to get broken!
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Yeah, double disc. :)
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My vote's for the fatty, though I could go either way (that's what she said). I've yet to break a slim style double disc case, so I'm not too concerned about the durability; what does worry me is having room for the manual, as I don't think that the slim cases allow as much room under the little pegs. Of course, that point is entirely moot if you're planning on a simple single fold insert. As an added bonus, the fat double case would leave plenty of room for a small fold out map/poster like Beyond Shadowgate, Dragon Slayer, etc.
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Well, the game comes with an 8 page manual (well, 6 pages plus front and back cover). Basically, 2 pieces of paper stapled together. :D It would likely fit into a single case but I'm not 100% sure on that one. Equuskia was toying with the idea of a poster though...that'd be impossible to do in a single-sized case. It's hard enough to include in a normal single-disc case when you've got a manual as well.
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Double disc Dreamcast releases like Skies of Arcadia or Phantasy Star Online have a 32-pg (plus covers) manual in a single-width case width without any problems. (Though if a poster was to be included, that'd probably be pushing it for single-width case.)
And I dunno if I'd say the slim double case is any more fragile than a regular single disc case. I mean, if you were gonna drop them all the time because you're a klutz, the double case would just as easily crack as the single case. But in either case, they're pretty easy to replace since they're standard CD jewel cases -- they're not like some proprietary pain-in-the-ass-cases-to-replace cases like that of the Sega CD or HuCard's.
Okay, lobbying done for the single-width case. :D
Though I know, in the end, it'll be your choice, Rover. 8-[
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I disagree-- I think it's the flimsy plastic tray inside the single-width double cases that breaks easily. I don't know if I own a single one that isn't broken, and I'm not exactly clumsy.
I vote for the big double case.
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I voted Double disc case! If it is going to include an ost and or poster, I think a double case would be more convenient. I'm buying a copy either way though! 8)
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What is going to be in the manual, Rover? Will it be just a basic 'how to play,' or will it have other stuff like character profiles, a spell and equipment list, and neat things like that? I hope for the latter, that would be awesome! My opinion is that if you are going to make it a deluxe release, with an OST disc and a poster, you might as well make a good manual. Ooh, ooh! What's the cover art going to look like?
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Hrm...we could expand the manual I reckon. Equipment and spell lists would be kinda nifty. :) There's a character page already...well, two character pages really:
(http://www.nodtveidt.net/centerfold.html)
It's not a 100% final design but this is basically how it will look. Not sure yet whether it will be outlined like this, or in full color.
We've not yet decided on cover art. Black Tiger and Equuskia are the ones who're in charge of all the inserts, and that includes cover art.
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I can't believe so many people are voting on double disc! All of my double disc manual's, fit in a single disc, & I have most games ever released. There's only a frew exceptions, I think one of those is Sim Earth, & I'm sure there's a few others. Man, now I'm gonna have to buy another slim disc case, & transfer it all. I'll live, but, it still sucks. I just hate double discs soooo much. If I didn't switch out all my double discs(not to mention all my Sega CD, Saturn, & PS1 cases), I'd be completely out of room, thanks to my ridiculous collection. Sorry to bitch n moan, just really wanna express my disgust for double cases :D
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Maybe if there is enough demand for a "reprint", we can make the new ones in a single case and then the old double case ones will be ultra rare!
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There's an old Aesop's fable that carries the message "if you try to please everyone, you'll lose your ass". Therefore, we will be using the majority vote in this. This kind of decision is best handled in a democratic method. :D
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I vote Double-disc.
Tangent 1: Holy crap, the manual looks nice. You folks rock!
Tangent 2: The best solution for fat manuals, IMO, are the "slightly larger than normal" jewel cases that house a handful of PCE games. They are specially designed for fat manuals, proving to be a far superior solution to fatty double-disc jewel cases (I've never been a fan of them -- you can never fit them on slotted CD storage racks!).
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Ok, it's decided, if we go with the fat cases, I won't finish the music....just kidding, HEART ATTACK! I'm just being goofy ](*,) :lol: #-o :dance: :P :roll: :-({|=
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Put down the chopsticks and step away from the sake! :D
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I vote it come in one of those DVD boxes some software is comming in now, a slightly small PC-FX type box with the discs inside and TONS of room for a manual, map and the Mysterious Song Trance Vibrator...or a piece of foam!
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:shock: a vibrator, eh? :lol:
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I vote it come in one of those DVD boxes some software is comming in now, a slightly small PC-FX type box with the discs inside and TONS of room for a manual, map and the Mysterious Song Trance Vibrator...or a piece of foam!
Would that necessitate a name change from Frozen Utopia to Games Express. :lol:
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I vote it come in one of those DVD boxes some software is comming in now, a slightly small PC-FX type box with the discs inside and TONS of room for a manual, map and the Mysterious Song Trance Vibrator...or a piece of foam!
Would that necessitate a name change from Frozen Utopia to Games Express. :lol:
Maybe...but I still think it would be darn cool if Frozen Utopia used those kinds of cases. I think they would make the games look like nice collectables.
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Maybe...but I still think it would be darn cool if Frozen Utopia used those kinds of cases. I think they would make the games look like nice collectables.
There is a precedent (sort of), as Idol Hanafuda Fan Club came in a similarly sized case.
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Maybe...but I still think it would be darn cool if Frozen Utopia used those kinds of cases. I think they would make the games look like nice collectables.
There is a precedent (sort of), as Idol Hanafuda Fan Club came in a similarly sized case.
Could you link to a pic of the box of this game pls?
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DVD case might be nice, but I'd say stick with the closest to the original Duo design as possible. It's nice to recreate the feel of having a new game for an old system without it looking homebrewish.
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Could you link to a pic of the box of this game pls?
Sorry, no pics here, but PCECP has scans of the case front and rear; I believe it's similar to a VHS clam shell case.
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DVD case might be nice, but I'd say stick with the closest to the original Duo design as possible. It's nice to recreate the feel of having a new game for an old system without it looking homebrewish.
Any reason why the Duo CD cases are better than the cases earlier CD games came in? Does NEC really have a standard? Depending on when it was released, there are several styles of PC-FX box and since I am not an expert on the Duo and you specifically mentioned it, I assume this is a very specific style? And when you want a re-creation of the origional packaging, does this include having a white tray? Even the FX games have white trays (when they have trays), as far as I can tell, this might be NECs only packaging standard although I am sure there is some game which proves exception to the rule.
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Any reason why the Duo CD cases are better than the cases earlier CD games came in?
Nope, they're standard single or double sized jewel cases (or slims if you include the unofficial boob discs).
And when you want a re-creation of the origional packaging, does this include having a white tray?
Since M.S. will be a North American release, then I'd assume that it'll use a black tray. This side o' the pond had almost all black trays, with the exception of Valis II, Final Zone II, Implode, and Meteor Blaster DX.
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Any reason why the Duo CD cases are better than the cases earlier CD games came in?
I specifically mentioned Duo because since MS is a SCD game, I think it would be most appropriate to specifically stick with the SCD/Duo case style.
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I specifically mentioned Duo because since MS is a SCD game, I think it would be most appropriate to specifically stick with the SCD/Duo case style.
How are they different than the regular CD game cases?
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Mostly in terms of cover and manual design than actual jewel case design (Super CD logo, blue instead or red instructions, different layout, etc..). Some of the super old CD games had a black back like the Turbo Chip games, but for the most part they are the same.
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This game looks like it's going to be awesome!